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but will there be a final verdict come november 8th? the big headline this morning, donald trump refusing to say whether he'll accept the will of the people should he lose. that was just one of the head scratching moments. >> we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. >> from everything i see, has no respect for this person. >> that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president. it's pretty clear. >> you're the puppet. >> when it comes to the wall donald talks about building, went to mexico, had a meeting with the mexican president. didn't even raise it. he choked. >> we have some bad ombrés here. >> a number of women have come forward. >> i think they want fame or her campaign did it and i think it's her campaign. >> donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. >> i didn't even apologize to my wife who's sitting right here because i didn't do anything. >> anytime donald thinks things
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are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is is rigged against it. >> such a nasty woman. >> do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir, respect the result of the election? >> i'll look at it at the time and keep you in suspense. >> the best political team in the business spread across the country ready to go this morning. we start with kristen welker still in las vegas up early or perhaps up late, after all, it is vegas. she's on the university of nevada's campus. kristen, tim kaine on "morning joe" a short time ago. let's take a listen. >> a central pillar of our democracy is accepting the results of an election in a peaceful transfer of power. after running a campaign that insults virtually every group possible, now donald trump is trying to pull the central pillar down and that was reveal
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o ing of a guy who can't take responsibility. >> the rigged election talk dominating headlines this morning. what's the clinton strategy headed in the final sprint, kristen? where will we see the democratic ticket the most and where are they pouring their resources? >> reporter: in terms of strategy, i think you'll see secretary clinton but mostly her surrogates pushing forcefully back of this notion of a rigged election. tim kaine did it today on "the today show." secretary clinton for her part is going to push back, but she is going to be making a strong pivot to the positive, craig. talking about the issues but framing it within this context of why she would be the best president for all americans and the goal there is to send a message to trump supporters and those undecided voters that she will represent them as well on november 9th. critical because of all this talk of a rigged election. now, i am told by one of her top
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campaign officials to make sure voters feel they have something to vote for instead of something to vote against. that's the messaging. in terms of a strategy on the ground, the clinton campaign really wants to run up the score. they want to not just win on november 8th, but they want to have a convincing win. so that means that they are looking to expand the map, craig. they're looking at traditionally red states like arizona where they are pouring in $2 million. the first lady is going to be there today. secretary clinton making a visit to arizona herself. they think if they did that, they could blunt the idea of the system being rigged or fixed. and missouri looking to go to both of those states. that's the strategy on the ground. the reaction today, the polling showing she won the debate. president obama agreeing with that, craig. tweeted this today. outstanding. 3 for 3 debate sweep for @hillaryclinton.
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nobody has ever been more prepared to be @potus and he'll be out on the campaign trail as well and secretary clinton with a robust campaign schedule hitting all of the key battleground states. multiple starting today. >> in las vegas this morning, kristen, thank you. trump's campaign manager, kelly ann conway this morning seeming to back up the boss on the rigged election talk not ruling anything out. >> he respects the principles of democracy. he just can't say what's going to happen if the election is very tight or a few votes here or there as was the case in 2000. if one state like florida is less than 600 votes as was the case then, we just don't know what will happen. >> from vegas to battleground ohio, donald trump not wasting time in a state he desperately needs in his column come election night. jacob rascon in delaware, ohio.
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ahead of a trump rally later today. he's down in every national poll. what did he do last night, jacob? what can he do going forward to change that? >> reporter: craig, last night, we watched the debate with a prominent local conservative radio host and put it this way. trump did well, defended himself well, stood his ground but he didn't bring any new members to the church. if you talk to voters who wait in line and come to the rallies, they don't believe the polls but truly believe he's a ahehead an there's an undercurrent that don't show up in the polls but many will say, they will admit that he is down, that he needs to bring not just big rallies but new people, undecided voters and convince them. and those that i am talking to in the republican party and that radio host, for example, as well, will say he did not do that. so going forward, what does he
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have to do? he has to do just that. bring new people out but nothing in his strategy mt. lain the la couple of weeks suggests that's his highest priority. trump will be trump and we'll see if he does anything different. >> jacob rascon in ohio. let's bring in two of the msnbc analysts. rick tyler, former spokesman for ted cruz's presidential campaign. thank you for being with me. everyone talking about how donald trump wouldn't rule out questioning the outcome of this election should he lose. listen to what he told lester holt in the first debate. this was last month. we're going to play that first and then what he said last night. here it is. >> will you accept the election? >> i want to make america great again. i am going to be able to do it. i don't believe hillary will. if she wins, i will absolutely support her. >> do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election?
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>> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look it at the time. what i've seen, what i've seen is so bad. >> rick, what happened in the span of less than a month that would cause a dramatic shift in tone like that? >> it's hard to say, craig, but look, i think the most important part about that key moment was trump there is conceding the election. he could have answered the question saying, i plan to win. but acted as if he was already defeated and lost. i don't think he needs to concede. pointed out all morning back in 2000 but he would have to, here's the scenario, craig, he's going to lose by multiple states and there's going to be no scenario in which he could point to voter fraud for the reason for his loss. that's what he's faced with. >> whatever your politics, donald trump, you know, got to
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be a reasonably smart guy. he knew this rigged election stuff would be the headline this morning as soon as he said it. what could possibly be the motivation for saying something like that, governor? >> first of all, i don't think he's capable of controlling himself. obviously, everyone in his campaign told him what to say and he didn't say it but his motivation, i think, is to make excuses for losing. he's a guy who doesn't lose gracefully. he's got to have some out for why he lost. >> he's laying the foundation for that. >> yes, for election night, he'll say, look, it was rigged. go back to the fact it was a media conspiracy and talk about some election irregularities. i don't think he'll challenge the election as rick said, i don't think it's going to be that close, but i think he'll use that as an excuse the entire overall conspiracy against him. >> he did address those claims by several women of sexual
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misconduct last night. take a listen. >> those stories have been largely debunked. those people, i don't know those people. i have a feeling how they came. i believe it was her campaign that did it. i believe, chris, that she got these people to step forward. if it wasn't, they get their ten minutes of fame. but they were all totally, it was all fiction. >> i should note here, not all of the stories have been debunked, by the way. rick, some die hard trump supporters will point to that moment and say it was a perfect time to pivot and perhaps, do what he's done in the past to bring up the past discretions and brought some of the past accusers to the debate. why not thego there? was it rare restraint by donald trump? >> there was a donald trump for the first 40 minutes very presidential and about topics and scoring big points against hillary clinton. he scored points with her on abortion and partial birth abortion which is very
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controversial. she got the heller decision wrong. it was about a 66-year-old police officer who wanted to keep a gun in his home in dc and he was scoring some big points but then after the 40 minute mark, you know, i got personal, defensive, old donald trump came forward and you thought he was going to go there. it didn't work 20 years ago. it didn't work in the previous debate and it wouldn't have worked here. overall, i thought donald trump had a markedly improved performance. he did a good job last night but not going to move any numbers. >> donald trump has been making the argument against clinton that she's been in government forever and never be able to fix the system because she's been a part of it for decades. this is how she responded for that. >> he raised the 30 years of experience, so let me just talk briefly about that. you know, back in the 1970s, i worked for the children's defense fund and i was taking on discrimination against african-american kids in schools. he was getting sued by the
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justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. in the 1980s, i was working to reform the schools in arkansas. he was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. in the 1990s, i went to beijing and i said, women's rights are human rights. he insulted a former miss universe, called her an eating machine. >> give me a break. >> and on the day, when i was in the situation room, monitoring the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting "the celebrity apprentice". >> that was clearly a line she had been practicing in debate prep for some time, but did she successfully undercut one of his central arguments hee been ma's making against her candidacy right there? >> i think she did. she did a good job of talking about the record and what they tried to do, but the answer is, donald trump will find out that when you're president, first lady, or senator, you're not a
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dictator. hillary clinton voted in favor of many of the things that donald trump said you should have done but i think debates are determined by two things. the moment and the moment of this debate was what donald trump said he wouldn't accept the results. that's a crusher for him and secondly, who was more presidential? and although i agree with rick, donald trump at the beginning seemed to be well, the debate went on, he said nasty women, said ombrés, and i thought hillary clinton was incredibly presidential, cool, in command and the one minute impromptu closing and she didn't prep for that because there wasn't suppose to be a closing. that impromptu, she hit it out of the park, probably a record breaking home run in terms of its length. >> how do you think chris wallace did? >> a very good job and controlled the debate, controlled the the audience, kept things moving forward and the debate was substantive. we had a lot of issues in the
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debate. s we didn't cover everybody's issues but fairly well. clinton kept a lot of things, away from him and donald trump, unfortunately, i would say lost the debate for the reasons ed just said is now the postdebate s spin that counts. what are we talking about the day after? donald trump may not accept the results of the american people's will on the presidency. >> good to have both of you. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. there was this focus group last night. 32 undecided voters from columbus ohio did what you and i both did. they watched the debate but also dial tested the debate. it was super fascinating. you see the lines on the screen there? it will show you which candidate literally moved the dial the most. >> this is a person who has been very cavalier, even casual about the use of nuclear weapons.
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>> wrong. >> he's advocated getting more. he said, well, if we have them why don't we use them, which i think is terrifying.
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when i heard the negativity, i started to tune out a little bit because i wanted to hear the issues. i just didn't want them to make personal attacks on each other. >> dig, dig, dig at her at everything. all about her and i wanted to hear issues. >> we don't need a president who attacks people personally. >> that was some of the reaction from the battleground state of ohio that gathered in columbus to register their reaction to the final showdown between trump and clinton. did the debate change hearts and minds? here with me to talk about that, democratic strategist chris
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cafinas who gathered the focus group of undecided voters. mr. quifinas, did that debate move the needle with undecideds? >> in terms of who won the debate, kind of essentially a tie. i mean, hillary won by 1 vote. it was 11-10. the rest were undecided but in terms of who moved voters where they left the room and decided to vote for person "x." hillary won 11. trump won 5. and the rest were still undecided. in that sense, it is a significant blown opportunity for trump who based on the reaction in the beginning was winning the debate at one point but you heard some of the folks respond in the room that the negativity, the attacks, some of the mistakes he made in terms of the election and not honoring the results, those were just
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devastating for him. it's kind of the problem with donald trump. every chance, it seems like he may be making a step forward, he pulls the hand grenade and blows himself up. we saw that again last night. >> this is a clip from donald trump. we'll show the score with the focus group. i do want to let our audience know that the numbers on the right side, the higher the number, the more likely the person is to vote for the candidate. >> do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. what i've seen, what i've seen is so bad. >> all right. what did the audience see about that moment? we've been talking about it since it happened. how about your folks? >> it was a devastating moment because it reignited the concerns that the undecided
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voters have about him. listen, there's a big difference between base voters who have decided and undecided voters. these undecided voters are not crazy necessarily about either candidates but concerns about both, trump in particular about his temperament, his style, his tone, his attacks and his ability to actually be presidential. and that in a strange way, i'm not sure he fully appreciates it. what it did was actually reinforce what people thought. that this man can't be president if he can't accept the outcome of an election. >> this is a moment where hillary clinton goes after trump. this is where she accuses him of cozying up to russia. look. >> you are willing to spout the putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up nato, do whatever he wants to do and that you continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race. >> why didn't that score well
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for her? >> one of the things we heard from these folks and we heard this in every undecided group, the anythingi inegativity and t back and forth, they almost don't like you to mention the other candidate because they feel like they're drowning in this negativity of the race and what they want to hear is more about you talking about what you're going to do as a candidate to lead this country forward for them. overall in the debates and last night but also all the debates, hillary has done a much better job and giving a significant reason to move the undecided voters. trump has not. there was one telling moment at the end of the debate where i asked, if trump had been more presidential, if you can imagine, more positive as a candidate, do you think he would be winning? and 31, 32 said yes. they thought he would be winning. so he tells you how devastating trump has been to his own campaign. he can blame the media or democrats or everybody else, but the reality is he probably needs to look in the mirror.
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>> chris kofinas. thank you. glad you shared it with us. still amazed there are undecided voters, but okay. we'll go with that. thank you, chris. >> thank you. election denial. putin's puppet. and bad ombrés. why republicans should be worried about last night's debate. former maryland governor joining me next to break down including this particular back and forth. >> now, what was his response? well, he held a number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough. >> i did not say that. >> in fact, he went on to say -- >> her two minutes sir. mble, ja, jack knocked over a candlestick onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him
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glad forceflex. extra strong to avoid rips and tears. be happy, it's glad. i didn't even apologize to my wife who is sitting right here because i didn't do anything. i didn't know any of these
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women. i didn't see these women. >> nobo nobody has more respect for women than i do. such a nasty woman. >> dismissing those claims of inappropriate contact with women. let me bring in former republican governor of maryland. bob, a donald trump supporter. good to see you. thank you for coming on. >> good to see you. my pleasure. >> there was laughter in the audience when trump said nobody has more respect for women. and then later calls hillary clinton, quote, a nasty woman. is that going to help him going to win undecided sur ban voburbs outside of philadelphia? >> no, but with regard to most of the debate, what could win over a portion of the voters you described is it became substantive for a change. thank god. i have my notes here.
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guns, supreme court, abortions, tactics, entitlement. we had a substantive debate where the candidates clasped not in a terribly personal way but you could see the general philosophy positions. what their record has been on these various issues and took the third debate to get there. nothing to do with personality or wikileaks or accusations. but actually about issues that people want to hear and in context. >> it makes you wonder what would have happened if your candidate spent the better part of the year talking about some of the substantive issues you talked about, no? >> listen, better late than never and quite frankly, the campaign is pretty pleased with it last night. i agree with, by the way, a lot of folks, republican, democrat, left, right, who say the answer
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with regard to the election outcome is the wrong answer. certainly not my view. >> it seems as if just about everyone besides donald trump has said that. regardless of their political stripes. this is what al gore did back in december of 2000. take a listen. >> just moments ago, i spoke with george w. bush and congratulated him on becoming the 43rd president of the united states. and i promised him that i wouldn't call him back this time. neither he or i anticipated this long and difficult road. certainly neither of us wanted it to happen. yet it came and now it has ended. resolved as it must be resolved through the honored institutions of our democracy. >> should things not go your way come november 8th? do you anticipate donald trump making some sort of statement like that? >> of course, that was at the
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end of a lot of prolonged pronouncements and charges and countercharges from a lot of leading democrats criticizing donald trump today with regard to that campaign. can't have it both ways but listen, in an election, the american people whether it's nixon and lbj's first race, questions with regard to your race, we had a contested race in maryland in 1994, the vote reer are pretty clear that they generally want you to submit to the numbers in the end but last night was more about the substance, left, versus right, progressivism. >> sure, but here's what -- i think a lot of folks liked that but what you're saying right now is that it was a debate about the issues and it was for the most part, but then your candidate says something like that and that's the headline for the next 24 hours.
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>> yeah. >> why would he say something like that if he wasn't planning on contesting the election? why not? >> he's not, listen, you can't talk about contesting the election when you don't know what the election is going to be nor do you know what allegations. listen, two days ago, said it was crazy that democrats are paying somebody to show up at trump rallies to start fights. and so who knows what's going to play out from wikileaks and other accusations. every day. >> that's not what he said. that's not what he said, nor did he say as rick tyler said, i don't have to worry about contesting. i don't have to worry about raising questions because i'm going to win this thing. he didn't say that last night. did that give you pause at install. >> he certainly intends to win. if he can just get back to left versus right, the obama record
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versus he wants to do, i'll stand with that. again, who knows what's going to happen in this campaign, particularly with wikileaks pouring interesting e-mails out on a daily basis. >> 19 days left. >> i can't believe it. good to see you. >> do you regret your decision? >> absolutely not. this uber progressivism. four more years of obamaism with regard to shutting down charter schools and spending and tax increases and class warfare and -- >> you're talking about a lot of things that your candidate didn't talk about last night, just fyi. >> it's up to him over the next 19 days to talk about it in greater detail. >> thank you for your time. >> my pleasure. my pleasure. >> a debate about issues that was in part what happened in vegas last night from the supreme court to the economy and fighting isis. we will look at where the
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candidates stand on all of those topics next. >> once again, donald is implying he didn't support the invasion of iraq. i said it was a mistake. i've said that years ago. he has consistently denied what is a very clear fact that before the invasion, he supported it. i want everybody to go google it. google donald trump iraq and you will see the dozens of sources which verify that he was for the invasion. >> wrong. >> of iraq. and you can hear the audio of him saying that. you're not a cook, if you don't cook. you're not a firefighter, if you don't fight fires. or a coach, if you don't coach. and you can't be our leader, if you don't lead. our next president needs to take action on social security, or future generations could lose up to $10,000 a year. we're working hard, what about you?
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people would ask me that we traveled,ntries what is your nationality and i would always answer hispanic. so when i got my ancestry dna results it was a shocker. i'm from all nations. it puts a hunger in your heart to want to know more. the supreme court is what it's all about. our country is so, so, it's just so imperative that we have the right justices. >> the supreme court, the economy, the fight against isis, just some of the hot button issues that were tackled in what turned out to be a more
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substantive debate than we saw in perhaps the previous two. a deeper dive on these. chief legal correspondent ari melber. and colonel jack jacobs, nbc military analyst, medal of honor recipient. this is exciting. i'm glad we were able to convene all three of us for this. here's what donald trump and hillary clinton had to say about the high court and the justices they would appoint and the second amendment. here it is. >> the justices that i'm going to appoint will be pro-life. they will have a conservative bent. they will be protecting the second amendment. >> i understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership. it goes back to the founding of our country but i also believe that there can be and must be reasonable regulation. >> so one of the major from trump is pick me or we're going to get a liberal court for generations to come. the second amendment.
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roe v. wade. is it a litmus test? >> that's what trump was going toward. it was more precise and nuanced than it started out in the campaign. that would suggest he's listened to advisors or done homework on this and for people who don't like donald trump personally in the conservative world, this is the big issue that they could still be brought over on. whatever you think of him, these are lifetime appointments. hillary clinton say she would go a lot more progressive so you look to him as that opportunity. it's guns, it's life, and also business and corporate issues more at war with the grassroots. hillary clinton, a little defensive on scalia's opinion on second amendment rights but found her grounding in saying she's progressive, pro-choice and that's an area she put it that should be left to women, their faith, their doctors, not that the government should be interceding on. almost a libertarian sounding
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argument for this liberal position. >> we are going to have the wealthy pay their fair share and corporations make the contribution greater than they are now. >> we're going to cut taxes massively and cut business taxes massively and start hiring people and bring the $2.5 billion offshore back into the country. >> ali, what have the top economists said about the two candidates tax plans, the two plans to create and grow jobs in the country? >> it's sort of contrary to what ari just said. the the president doesn't have nearly the influence in terms of nominating a supreme court judge but the effect is like things external. where we have had strong economic growth in the past has been generally when there's been a war or when we've seen massive projects like the highways or massive infrastructure or we've seen the growth of the internet and in the last few years from
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energy, but energy costs are low right now and the united states economy is suffering as are other comparable economies so it's going slowly. donald trump said he wants it to grow at 5%, 6% last night because we're expected to grow at $ 1.25% and if they don't wo out the way he wants them to, our debt will grow quite tremendously but taxes will go down on most people including the very rich. hillary clinton's plan is not nearly as favorable if you're wealthy. if you earn over $133,000, you'll pay above $250,000 or in the millions, 4% or 5% more in taxes but a road map to getting more revenue without increasing the debt as much as would be the case under donald trump. >> 1% growth. why are we there? >> because the world is slow. energy is a big part of our
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economy and oil prices are very low. unless oil is at $55 or $60 a barrel, america can't get back in the business of producing it as much as we do. but europe is slow. china and indiana are struggling. they're a lot faster. he brought those up but those are different economies. as i said earlier, when you were little kids, they grow fast. once they get to 20, they don't grow fast. once they get to 30. we're a mature economy. you'll not see the kind of growth like in china, they're new in the modern world economies. >> this is what donald trump said about the ongoing battle to liberate mosul. >> i've been reading about going after mosul for about, how long is it, hillary, three months? these people have all left. they've all left. the element of surprise. douglas macarthur spinning in their graves. >> we've talked about the
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element of surprise before last night's debates and does he have a legitimate point at all? >> he has a legitimate point at large but not in this particular case. that's one of the principles of war. you don't want to go somewhere and telegraph you're going because you'll be in big trouble, especially if you're attacking and he's defending except in a built-up area like mosul. if you can possibly recall what happened in stalingrad, for example, where the advantages to the defense, you get chewed up if you try to go in. our objective is to telegraph it as long as we possibly can. time to get out so they will leave, go to syria, and they won't be neighbor left. no isis left there. it's easier to take them and easier to hold. i don't think the allies want to fight isis in the middle of
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mosul. that's a long and disgusting affair. you'll have lots and lots of civilian casualties. no, what the allies want is for isis to leave and to the extent that they are going to leave, that's what we want. >> ari melber and newest teammate, welcome aboard, by the way. enjoyed you. watch out for these two though. >> we're danger. >> it is our third and final debate after fact check. the question is, did anyone set off the pants on fire alarm? we'll ask the folks at politifact to weigh in about stolen $6 billion and what hillary clinton calls trump's go-to defense. >> trump university gets sued for fraud and racketeering, he claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row and started tweeting that the emmys were rigged.
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when you ran the state department, $6 billion was missing. how do you miss $6 billion? you ran the state department. $6 billion was either stolen, they don't know, it's gone. >> donald trump pointing the finger at hillary clinton claiming $6 billion disappeared during her tenure as secretary of state. pulitzer prize winning politifact put it through the truth-o-meter. joined by aaron schockman. thank you for being with us. how did you rate that claim? >> not just not true, but pants on fire. there's no $6 billion that's missing and certainly it was never stolen. what happened was there was an inspector general report found that some paperwork was hmissin
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for $6 billion worth of contracts spanning before hillary clinton took office and after she left the secretary of state office. it's like you forgot to turn in the receipt for $20 lunch. >> candidates also sparred over russia. take a look. >> cyber attacks come from the highest levels of the kremlin and they are designed to inpluns o influence our election and deeply disturbing. >> she has no idea whether it's russia, china, or -- she has no idea. >> i am quoting 17, 17 intelligence, do you doubt 17 military and civilian agencies? >> how did you rate that exchange as many. >> clinton's claim here rates true. the director of national intelligence submitted a letter saying they were confident that the attacks, the cyber attacks were perpetrated by russians. the dni represents 17
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intelligence agencies around the united states. so the numbers add up. it's true. >> by the way, a short time ago, we heard from james clapper, director of national intelligence. i want to play for our listeners and here's what he said. >> two weeks ago, dhs secretary jay johnson and i released joint statements saying that the recent compromises of e-mails are directed by the russian government. >> so it appears as if he agrees with the folks at politifact on that one. hillary clinton went after trump of his claims of a rigged election. even a rigged emmys as well. take a listen. >> there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row and he started tweeting that the emmys were rigged. >> should have gotten it. >> you know, i've said the same myself. i feel like i should have more emmys. how did you rate that one, aaron? >> we rated this half true from
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hillary clinton. the fact is, anyone who follows donald trump's twitter feed knows that he can be pretty whiney quite frankly but never claimed that the process was rigged for him not to get an emmy. basically said they've made bad choices and they weren't very smart, but no rigged accusations, so half true. >> final score that you guys fact checked last night? >> we fact checked 13 statements. 7 from trump and 6 from clinton. of 7 trump statements, 71% rated mostly false or worse. we didn't find a mostly false or worse for clinton. two-thirds of samts ratatements true. we'll give you more so it will change but this one was lopsided on first inspection. >> good to have you. politifact. great to have you guys on board as well. unbiassed, non-partisan, pulitzer prize winning politifact. 19 days and counting. for most voters, last
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night's debate could be a distant memory but that's not the case in north carolina where early in-person voting is happening as we speak. we will head to raleigh on the other side of this break to find out if the final face-off made a difference at all. ugh. heartburn. sorry ma'am. no burning here. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they don't taste chalky and work fast. mmmm. incredible. can i try? she doesn't have heartburn. new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief. parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what? you could apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan whenever you want. no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. that means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. medicare doesn't cover everything. and like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, these help cover some of what medicare doesn't pay. so don't wait. call now to request your free
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in person early voting now under way in north carolina. started this morning at 10 polling stations throughout the tar heel state. nationwide, more than 2.5 million americans voted before last night's debate. that includes more than 1.7 million in a dozen battleground states. chris jansing live outside of a polling station in raleigh, north carolina. what's the turnout been like so far, my friend? >> reporter: big. you look at the front of the line, those folks have been waiting an hour and a half. i just checked with them. it goes all the way around. that line may even be longer than an hour and a half. first, 17 days of early voting
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here in north carolina. one-stop shopping and you could also register and vote on the same day. a lot of these folks voted last night because 75% turnout here in wake county. i'm joined by the head of the republican party in this state. dallas woodhouse. good to see you. a lot of folks talking about the debate last night. the fact your candidate said he could not commit to supporting the results of the election. what do you think? >> i didn't know that was an option. i didn't know the election results were optional. there's a few i'd like to go back and do differently. >> reporter: do you wish he hadn't said it? >> i mean, it just didn't seem to make sense to me. either way, somebody will win, somebody will lose. the country goes on from there, as always. >> reporter: he's used your state as an example. back in 2008, non-citizen immigrants may have changed the election enough it went from barack obama. politifact said that's pants on fired and your own election board said that's not true.
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is he getting off issue? could it hurt your down ballot candidates? >> i was joking earlier. i got the governor's hat on today, governor mccorrory and a big fan. when he came in eight years ago, the state was mired in debt, broke, all kinds of trouble going on and got here after a month, i think he was questioning the results. look, we have an election. somebody is going to win. somebody is going to lose. >> reporter: and you're going to accept the results. >> of course. if i thought it was like wendy's and i could pick what i want but that's not the way america works. >> craig, back to you. i think you know where he stands. >> i think i do. i think i do. chris jansing in north carolina. rtp. thank you. >> reporter: big turnout. >> we've got to get that guy on more often. pictures of joint base andrews in maryland. president obama about to hop
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aboard air force one bound for south florida. he's going there to miami-dade college to talk about the affordable care act and then after that, he'll head to florida memorial university miami gardens and headlining another campaign rally for his former secretary of state. we'll be right back. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job,
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until the election and here is the state of the race this morning after the final presidential debate. a cnn orc snap poll shows hillary clinton won the debate by a 13 point margin. 52% to 39%. that is smaller than the 35 and 23 point margin from the other two debates, nevertheless, according to those watching in that polling, she won. we will hear from donald trump next hour at a rally in the critical state of ohio where the latest quinnipiac poll shows it's a dead heat and then tonight, donald trump and hillary clinton face to face again, yes, they have won more showdowns, you might say, the charity event though in new york. it's the only event on secretary clinton's schedule today. new fallout from last night's debate. today's blistering headlines coming from donald trump's unprecedented refusal, not once, but twice to say he'll accept the results of our nation's election. >> do