until the election and here is the state of the race this morning after the final presidential debate. a cnn orc snap poll shows hillary clinton won the debate by a 13 point margin. 52% to 39%. that is smaller than the 35 and 23 point margin from the other two debates, nevertheless, according to those watching in that polling, she won. we will hear from donald trump next hour at a rally in the critical state of ohio where the latest quinnipiac poll shows it's a dead heat and then tonight, donald trump and hillary clinton face to face again, yes, they have won more showdowns, you might say, the charity event though in new york. it's the only event on secretary clinton's schedule today. new fallout from last night's debate. today's blistering headlines coming from donald trump's unprecedented refusal, not once, but twice to say he'll accept the results of our nation's election. >> do you make the same

commitment you'll absolutely accept the result of the election? >> i'll look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. what i've seen is so bad. >> sir, there is a tradition in this country, in fact, one of the prides of this country is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign, that the loser concedes to the winner, not saying that you're necessarily going to be the loser or the winner, but the loser con saebcedes comes ottat for the good of the country. >> i will tell you at the time. i keep you in suspense. okay? >> chris, let me respond to that because that's horrifying. >> among the responses by republicans, senator jeff flake of arizona, a known trump critic sent out, quote, beyond the pale. and in a statement, senator lindsey graham, another trump critic said if he loses, it will

not be because the system is rigged but because he failed as a candidate. but on "morning joe," trump campaign manager kelly ann conway trying to clean up the candidate's remarks. >> it would be ridiculous for him to disclose the possibility and go through every hypothetical possible in the world as if he's losing by a couple of points somewhere or a couple of votes somewhere than perhaps a look at it then. that's probably what he meant and i presume mr. trump would say, got to see if there were irregularities or malfeasance or voter fraud. >> joining me from delaware is jacob rascon, delaware, ohio. this tweet from donald trump. he said the election is rigged. not sure what he'll do the day after the vote. on the debate stage said the emmy's were rigged when his show did not receive it and now saying, quote, why didn't hillary clinton announce that

she was inappropriately given the debate questions? she secretly used them. so now he's saying the day after the debate that his opponent received the questions secretly. what is his campaign saying? >> reporter: so this is new. and as you know, just came out four minutes ago. that's all we have right now is what he tweeted. so the debate was rigged. he's now going to say the election is rigged, everything is rigged. chris wallace, the moderator yesterday, announced before the debate started that neither of the candidates or the campaigns or even the commission had been given any of the debate questions just in case anybody was wondering but it appears that trump believes otherwise. and another thing we can talk about that came up last night was so-called trump tv which was on his own facebook which he has well over 10 million followers there and he did his own version, his own version of debate talk and after the

debate, post-debate spin, his own, if you will, network and that, talked about a lot partly because he's so close to steve ban bannen, the former breitbart executive and this is what a lot of people expected eventually that he would come out with his own version of the media and inviting people to go watch his trump tv facebook, he said if you're tired of the dishonest and crooked media, then this is where you can come to get your message. so it's what a lot of people expected. >> this is prophesy fulfilled. all the people who speculated this would happen, we saw it last night so the idea it was in the works, all possible, it was right there in front of his supporters to see. donald trump jr., jacob, making some headlines. here's what he said last night defending his father. we'll play it. >> he spent his life creating

jobs, building things, doing things that would benefit american workers in this country. he's done that for his whole career. so you know what? he's learning. he's learning. if he was doing this for his whole life, he'd be the greatest politician in the history of the world. he's a real american. speaking with real americans from day one. he's not talking at them. he's talking with them. he wants all americans because guess what? unlike hillary clinton, who's gotten very rich being a politician, pedaling american influence, he hasn't. this is only a step down. >> so many people interpret that as donald trump jr. indicating that running for president was a step down for his father. >> reporter: that's interesting because it goes against what trump said. he said repeatedly on the trail it's an honor to run for president and if he wins, he would give up businesses or care anything about them but for him to say that and when donald trump is so behind in the polls is, of course, it raises a lot

of questions that people are wondering why he would say that. if i could just end on this, i've talked to dozens of his supporters in response to what did you think, i asked, about the election outcome and all said that was a great answer, that's what he needs to say because of the possibility of voter fraud but most of them do can say they personally will accept the results of the election and believe that trump would. >> jacob, thank you very much in delaware, ohio. clinton's high powered surrogates. president obama will campaign for clinton in florida. the first lady, michelle obama, in arizona. major headline there. and vice president joe biden is holding a rally in new hampshire. also, this morning, we're learning this comment from secretary clinton over donald trump's position on the iraq war was the most googled moment of the night, perhaps because she said to google it. >> once again, donald is

implying he didn't support the invasion of iraq. i said it was a mistake. i said that years ago. he has consistently denied what is -- >> wrong. >> a very clear fact. >> wrong. >> before tin vacation , he sup. i want everyone to google it. donald trump iraq and you'll see the dozens of sources which verify he was for the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> well, google trends showed a huge spike in the phrase donald trump iraq just after secretary clinton's urging to googling it and after, a smiling secretary clinton quickly walked over to shake the hand while donald trump remained at the podium. appeared to wait for her to exit. secretary clinton to greet supporters. trump chose to leave the venue right away. kasie hunt joining us live from university of nevada, las vegas. we try to read in body language. they didn't shake hands. who decided to go to the spin room.

donald trump had done so, which was unprecedented for a candidate to do. didn't do that last night but i heard, kasie, there were drinks flowing with some of clinton's team because they felt confident in the performance last night. >> reporter: that's right, tamron. and while, yes, i think that the choreography around this debate showed the last veneer of civility had been stripped off of this campaign that the animosity was very clear. i think both in their exchanges and also, simply how they didn't interact with each other last night. but clinton's team waking up this morning after a red eye flight from las vegas back to new york. there was celebrations on the plane. her aides feel as though she did exactly what she needed to do last night and when you look at how she performed in all three of these debates, there was a sense going in that she had an advantage. she was up in the polls. donald trump struggled through the summer but there were still

questions about how competitive this race was and we come out of these three debates with the clinton team, democrats, raes i republicans i'm talking to and this has been durable. they're starting to be concerned about republican down ballot and feel strongly about the position they find themselves in. tamron? >> but hillary clinton does continue to find herself in a position of being asked about the e-mail leaks from wikileaks or the document that was released regarding this conversation that donald trump's team alleges quid pro quo. nevertheless, on the debate stage last night, when asked about the e-mail server, the leaked e-mail, let me play what she said regarding russia's influence. >> respect for this person. >> that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president. >> no puppet. no puppet. you're the puppet. >> that's just a little bit of the exchange over russia.

a lot of time spent saying, these leaks are the result. and is that the line for the next less than three weeks now? >> reporter: it looks, tamron, like we'll continue to get these e-mails out of john podesta's e-mail account potentially for the duration of the campaign. it's not totally clear but got new ones today. one interesting one that stood out to me was one of bill clinton's top aides, doug ban complaining about signing an ethics that the president signed with ties to the organization but i think the clinton campaign is focused on exactly what you said, the russian ties here. and you started to see republicans defend them. marco rubio saying that republicans should beware. this is unprecedented for intrusions and republicans could be next. kasie.

jacob soboroff was at a watch party with students at the college of southern nevada last night and joining us from las vegas. we talked a lot about the millennials and not seemed to gravitate to donald trump but we know the line about a lack of enthusiasm for hillary clinton. what did they tell you last night? >> reporter: you know, a lot of people went in there last night, tamron, having already decided who they were going to vote for. many looking for the entertainment factor, quite frankly, seeing if donald trump would say anything to implode or do anything crazier than he has done in the previous debates. although some people were there for a specific reason, a very personal reason, nevada has a large latino population as does the college of south nevada. for this girl, it was personal. any of the issues could sway you? >> undecided. >> reporter: how after all this time can you be undecided? you don't like what they have to say or haven't been paying

attention? >> i feel like a lot of politics can be negative and consumed with the negatives. he said, she said. so i just have kind of been backed off a little bit so i haven't been doing my research or staying up to date with what's going on in the news and i know i'm supposed to and i should be more knowledgeable of this, but -- >> reporter: do you think what these guys are talking about, the supreme court, like the second antidepressant, tmendmen way wade? >> these tend to come up but not affecting people in their daily lives. most people don't wake up thinking about these things. they think about more important things that affect their daily life. getting a job, going to school, those kinds of things. there's some disconnect in that sense. >> reporter: tamron, that second woman i should say was supporting hillary clinton. the first young woman who was undecided was not the only undecided woman in the room.

when you heard donald trump last night saying things like he may not accept the results of the election, that should worry some, not just for people like that undecided but there's already a lot of papathy, some f the lowest voter turnout in the world. both for donald trump and hillary clinton campaigns should be worried about young voters like that and i saw that firsthand in the room and some frankly will stay away if they don't have the faith in the integrity of the voting system. >> thank you, greatly appreciate it. joining me now, "washington post" dana mill, a republican strategist and susan del percea. we saw jacob's piece. you were with a group of college students talking about this presidential cycle and a big revelation occurred. >> what the question was to me, this is our first president issue race. what are we to make of this with the negativity and i said, i'm sorry you're going through this and this is your first exposure because it is so negative and i

think that's what we heard a lot in jacob's piece. >> i was listening to "morning joe" and no discussion whether or not donald trump's unwillingness to commit to the election results with only something the pundits or people like us write about or do you think, susan, with the students, no one, whether you're 18 or 88, you have not seen a presidential candidate on stage say that they would not potentially recognize the election results. on stage. >> right. two things about that. it is, indeed, something that matters to the pundits and to the elite and i think there is a sense that people are ganging up on donald trump for saying this. it's not a political bias but in favor of democracy and when you have a major party candidate saying he will not respect this bedrock principle of democracy, it's important for all people regardless of political leanings to speak up and say, this is not acceptable. we need to protect our

democracy. i do suspect it resonates far more deeply than that and makes people feel much more uneasy about the system and going to make a lot of down ballot republicans have another round of how do i distance myself from donald trump? >> this morning, i read this tweet. now donald trump saying hillary clinton was given the debate questions inappropriately and secretly used them. does he believe this or is this, again, to distract from the orc cnn polls saying she wins or to distract from this wording that now his surrogates like kelly ann conway try to correct saying he would not potentially respect the results? >> it's donald trump being donald trump. who knows why he's saying, a few days ago, saying there was an international conspiracy against him. but everyone including the trump surrogates said chris wallace did a great job last night. no one is questioning the

integrity except for donald trump. >> dana, this "nasty woman" comment. the hashtag trending last night. let me remind people of what he said. >> my social security payroll contribution will go up as will donald's assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it but. >> such a mnasty woman. >> making sure that we have sufficient resources. and that will come from either raising the cap and or fighting other ways to get into it. >> do you think this is the moment that will matter? >> beyond the explosive moment of not respecting the democracy but yes. if trump is to make any sort of recovery at all, he needs to win over moderates, independents and women. and that came at the end of the debate. he was trying to keep it under control. he started to erupt when clinton talked about alicia machado

again and the eating machine and basically blaming his accusers of seeking their ten minutes of fame, he said. and blaming the clinton campaign for it and in the last moments of the debate blurting out this nasty woman remark. sort of cements that gender gap that's been killing trump through the campaign. >> the bad ombrés thing, also trending but i got to get your take, both of you. "the new york times" article said jared kushner, his son-in-law, married to ivanka is in talks of a trump tv network with the media deal in the works here. last night, they rolled out this trump tv. so can we now all stop saying he's thinking about it? is that pafair to say? zbli >> i think he's trying to get a base that will subscribe to the donald trump network.

do you think this is -- >> i think it's real. i think it's more than financial. he wants to create this d dissodant movement. it moeans the election doesn't send on november 8th. >> love it. thank you. up next, no reaction from gregory meeks of new york on the other top moments of the night including a fiery back and forth where trump and clinton clashed over each other's experience. >> you do have experience. i say the one thing you have over me is experience but it's bad experience. >> i went to beijing and i said, women's rights are human rights. he insulted a former miss universe and called her an eating machine. >> facebook released the most mentioned top exfrom the debate. wikileaks, immigration, abortion, russia and ukraine,

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justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. in the 1980s, i was working to reform the schools in arkansas. he was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. in the 1990s, i went to beijing and i said, women's rights are human rights. he insulted a former miss universe, alicia machado and called her an eating machine. >> give me a break. >> when i was in the situation room monitoring the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting "the celebrity apprentice." >> congressman, i see you're all smiles. i interpret you being happy with what happened last night with hillary clinton's performance. >> i am delighted with what happened last night. i think that finally, he got a chance on some of the issues to see the clear difference of not only someone prepared for the debate but also the presidency

and someone a basic concept. one is not prepared to be commander in chief and one is. that became clear in the debate last night. >> let me play the moment where secretary clinton responded to chris wallace's question about this wikileaks hack and the alleged information that revealed her speech, paid speech, to wall street. let's listen what it said. >> you are very clearly quoting from wikileaks and what's really important about wikileaks is that the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. they have hacked american web sites, american accounts of private people, institutions. then they have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. this has come from the highest levels of the russian government, clearly from putin

himself, in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed to influence our election. so i actually think the most important question of this evening, chris, is finally, will donald trump admit and condemn that the russians are doing this and make it clear that he will not have the help of putin in this election, that he rejects russian espionage against americans which he actually encouraged in the past. those are the questions we need answered. >> so congressman, is that enough of an answer from secretary clinton? i know that the campaign says that, listen, these document dumps are coming by the thousands. there's no way to authenticate the e-mails or if russia added in lines that were not in the original text. but is that enough for the next two weeks? >> listen, we should be concerned about the russian government trying to get

involved and determine outcomes of elections in the united states of america. clearly, donald trump does not believe the 17 agencies that have come through and said they've done all of their research and all of the investigation that russia is behind this. so that should be really concerning to america. it is clear. couldn't be clearer that you look, you have the democratic convention, the dnc and democratic members of hillary's campaign, not looking at anything on the republican side that they want to influence the american election and donald trump by continuing to say that the fix is in, et cetera, is one that's perpetuating what the russian government does with reference to their politics. so she's absolutely right. they should be worried about tampering into american politics. >> congressman gregory leeks.

thank you. developing now, iraqi troops liberating three more villages from isis this morning as the prime minister said the battle to retake mosul is going faster than expected. a live report from iraq is next. plus, foreign policy topics among the most talked about moments of this final debate including when secretary clinton deemed trump over one of his hotels. >> the trump hotel here in las vegas was made with chinese steel. he goes with crocodile tears about how terrible it is, but he has given jobs to chinese steel workers, not american steel workers. latest data say? our customer is a 21-year-old female. heavily into basketball. wait. data just changed... now she's into disc sports. ah, no she's not. since when? since now. she's into tai chi. she found disc sports too stressful. hold on. let me ask you this... what's she gonna like six months from now?

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the iraqi prime minister said the progress of the international military operation to reclaim mosul from isis extremists is actually going faster than they expected. joining me now from erbil is

matt bradley, foreign correspondent. earlier this week, we were told this could take months. not expected to be a fast operation. what changed on the ground there? >> reporter: thanks, tamron. you know, it's very true. this has been a day of some relatively heavy fighting but the fact is that the villages liberated today and on monday earlier this week were villages almost void of any people. the civilians in these christian villages liberated by the pe peshmerga have almost no civilians and that's the real barrier. the advancements we've seen in the last couple of days bear no resemblance that kind of fight that the iraqi military and the pesh mer kmerga will face in mo with 1.2 civilians thought to remain. i'm glad you mentioned this paris conference because it's important and it's been really swallowed up by the news of the actual battle itself. the paris conference will look to how to deal with the 1.2 million civilians that i

mentioned are still in mosul but deal with the governance issues. he made issue of the fact this is the first time that iraqi arab forces and kurdish forces have been cooperating on land that is actually part of grea r er kyrgyzstan. and we'll have to talk about how all of these different patch works of different religious and ethnic minorities work together to deal with the city under isis control for the past two years. >> matt bradley live for us in erbil, iraq, where the latest developments in the iraqi prime minister believes there's progress on the international effort to beat isis out of mosul and now for a closer look at one of the debates' six topics, foreign hot spots, syria, isis, russia hot topics on facebook and made for some of the most contentious exchanges of the

night. msnbc's terrorism analyst malcolm nance. thank you so much for joining me again. >> my pleasure. >> i know you watch these with a different prism than most of us given your expertise, but this vladimir putin line of being a puppet. let's get your thoughts. >> now we can talk about putin. i don't know putin. he said nice things about me, if we got along well, that would be good. if the united states and russia went after isis, that would be good. he has no respect for her. he has no respect for our president. and i'll tell you what, we're in very serious trouble because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads, 1800, by the way, where they expanded and we didn't. 1800 nuclear warheads and she's playing chicken. look. from everything i see, has no respect for this person.

>> that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president. >> no puppet. no puppet. you're the puppet. >> malcolm, your take on that moment. >> well, donald trump was very confused about what he was saying. he was going from end to end on various subjects and bringing around to whether vladimir putin liked him or not. and the escalation of russia, you know, building 1800 more atomic weapons and doing their weapons upgrade didn't seem to have anything to do with what he was talking about. vladimir putin does view donald trump as a puppet. there's a lot of evidence and more evidence coming out day by day that shows donald trump at some point has been coopted by russia, at least the oligarchy and he mimics putin's strategic foreign policy from the dissolution of nato to letting russia run rampant in eastern europe. so that's a very interesting facet and hillary clinton may

have a point there. >> let's talk about aleppo and basically fallen and fact checked but what chris wallace said to donald trump. >> you said aleppo basically has fallen. >> it's a catastrophe. have you seen it? have you seen it? have you seen what's happened to aleppo? >> can i finish my question? there are a quarter of a million people still there. >> and they are being slaughtered because of bad decisions. >> i think people were still trying to understand what donald trump was talking about. it was not a gary johnson, what is aleppo, moment, but trying to overrun but lightly armed in that part of the debate. >> well, this is another place where it appears, it almost seemed like donald trump was briefed five minutes before this

debate by showing him some videos from aleppo. the aleppo situation is not, you know, incumbent upon the united states for a series of bad decisions. it was a decision by bashar al assad and now vladimir putin to obliterate it from the face of the earth and mass murder whoever's there. this morning, the russians bomb the civil defense killing the rescuers despite the fact, wiping out other hospital in the city. he's rather confused. >> it's so interesting you bring up bashar al assad, quoted as saying today this now heartbreaking iconic picture of a little boy pulled from the rubble in aleppo. now said that was a fake photo. that the image had been fake. again, kind of what we're hearing with donald trump, if something is not in line with what he wants, it's rigged or fake but overall, now that we're

almost at the two week mark, how would you grade the substance of the debate over these issues with the day after the election, we'll wake up with and not, who was in the front row or what family member was brought in to rattle another candidate? >> i grade this on both sides somewhere in the d to e range. hillary clinton is more substantive because she knows all the players and facts and pays more closer attention to the intelligence briefings but f overall for donald trump. >> thank you, malcolm. coming up in person early voting starts this morning in the battleground state of north carolina. mail-in voting wastarted in september. the democratic party chair of the impact of this crucial state and what they're seeing on the ground as far as registration and reaction from voters casting

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welcome back, everyone. in just the last hour, in person early voting started in the battleground state of north carolina where more than 45,000 votes cast in the state by mail. nbc's chris jansing joins us live from lake wynn community center. heavily traffic early voting sites in the county. look at that line. wow. >> reporter: it's crazy. it goes all the way down and around. and it's hot out here. you see people fanning themselves but that's not stopping them from coming out. 61% of people voted early in 2012. what does that tell you? it tells you this matters. the election is over for many people. joining me now, brian fi

fitsimmons. first day of voting, i'm told it's not unusual to get heavy turnout. >> sure. >> reporter: are you concerned that people's complaints about this election, about the negativity could ultimately depress turnout and hurt your candidate, hillary clinton and down ballot candidates as well? >> i think when you look at it, it's certainly not doing that. all of these people here in line right now wouldn't be here if it weren't for the actions of the federal court. our general assembly didn't want any of these people to be here today. >> reporter: they said they targeted african-american voters. >> that's exactly right. we wouldn't be opening early voting for another week were it not for the federal court. i think that the activity in the campaign and the conversations that we're having about what's going on, specifically in north carolina, i think people are concerned. they want to see things change. they want to see better things for their kids, better things for their family and my fear initially certainly was that this vitriol, all of the

horrible things that are going on in this campaign would dampen turnout but if you look at the line here today, it's not the case now. >> reporter: we'll see if they keep it up in north carolina. a 4 point and 1 point race in favor of hillary clinton but still, too close to call. we'll see as all of this, believe me, is being analyzed, this early voting by both campaigns to see where it is. >> i know you'll talk to these people later and curious to know kind of the climate of the election that's really prompted them to show up early and stand in that line with the heat and want to get this done. >> reporter: that's a smart observation because it's been actually the opposite of people talking about depressing voters. as a matter of fact, we are determined to stay here. i haven't seen anybody get out of line. these are people really committed to make their vote count and made up their minds. they don't think there's anything to change in the next 19 days. so they're here and waiting.

>> chris, thank you very much. great interview there as well. thank you. looks like it. coming up, how do the final weeks of the election play out and where will the campaigns spend their money? mark murray joins us next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office

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we are back with our daily briefing on politics. let's bring in nbc news senior political editor mark murray. before we talk about about where ad spending was taking place, chris was in north carolina. the line was stretching as far as our camera lands. people standing out in the hot sun. this is a live look here. what might this indicate nearly two weeks out? just under three weeks out here. this is in raleigh. >> reporter: tamron, it's one that people see is the benefits of early voting because if you see those kinds of lines in the first day of early voting that will last for more than two weeks, what is election day going to look like? that's why you often see the clinton campaign and other campaigns may make a concerted effort because you want to bank

the people that go to the polls and if you can get those votes already counted and cast right now, then you can concentrate on the people you want on election day even if some of the lines turn out to be longer. >> that's in battleground north carolina. i just think that's such a story to see this, at this point, mainly because these candidates are so clearly defined, quite honestly, but let's talk about the money. they say show me the money. where is the money in the next 19 days? >> reporter: we've seen a tremendous amount of money but i think the preponderance of money is still in florida, north carolina, we were just talking about, ohio, and pennsylvania. donald trump has to run the table in all four states and when we talk about the ad spending, already, the clinton campaign had almost a 3-1 spending advantage when it comes to ads in the battleground states alone. about $200 million by hillary clinton.

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hillary clinton was perhaps more polished and more poised during this but what does that mean? should i vote for her because she was more poised or should i vote based on policy and her policies are awful. she has no credibility on many of the issues that she talked about. >> hillary clinton has been under attack for 30 years and she's withstood it with poise. donald trump doesn't provide his tax returns. donald trump wants to get access to hillary clinton's blood

tests. the wikileaks, imagine if we had the opportunity to get the private e-mails of donald trump and his team. this is not a fair comparison. >> those are two voters, americans, living in london. joining me is david brock author of "correct the record." we keep hearing from people who have traveled abroad who say others, whether it's london, australia, they are all looking at the united states and wondering what is going on with this election. how do you, as a hillary clinton supporter, describe it at this point? >> i think we saw that hillary clinton had her strongest debate performance last night. i think donald trump had his weakest. the strong suit for hillary was what was just referenced there, her policy specifics, laying out her vision but also specifics about how to get the economy

working for working families, about how to deal with the gun violence epidemic and real plans to keep us safe and secure. i think she was really smart about that. she was steady and stable. donald trump was none of those things. he showed that he wants to take us back on his policies, to take constitutional rights away, to take health care away from 20 million people. and if he's got a plan to deal with isis, it remain as secret to us. >> well, there was to big secret revealed from either of them in this debate. that's why some of the polling shows that it did not change minds. typically the last debate does not. so here we are, it's still a tight race. with everything that you've lined up, with all of the scandals of the past two weeks with the 2005 "access hollywood" tape, how does she seal the deal? how does she close this act? >> well, i think she began to do that last night. there was an issue in the election, a part of the

electorate that really wants change and thinks the country is not going in the right direction. and i think in her answer to the question about what she's done over 30 years, her passion and her commitment, she's started to make her closing case. as far as whatever may still come out about donald trump, i don't know that we need to know more. he dug himself such a deep hole last night when he attacked our democratic traditions with his answers about willingness to accept the results of the election. >> david, kellyanne conway saying last night that comparing donald trump to al gore -- let's play it. >> the election is too close. of course he wouldn't accept it. al gore didn't, did he? he went to court. if it's a very big margin, then even if it's rigged, it wouldn't matter. it only matters if it's a small margin and al gore did exactly that. >> al gore did not do exactly that. he did not do it on the debate

stage saying it was rigged. but this was the spin room reaction from kellyanne conway and rudy giuliani. what's your take? >> i think any time your post debate spin is about what your candidate is going to do when he loses, you're definitely losing. i don't really take the surrogates' word as gospel. millions of people heard what donald trump said last night and the truth is he's been talking for weeks now alleging that the results will be rigged. it only follows logically that the result would be discredited if it's rigged. i think maybe that's a clever marketing strategy for what his real plan may be after the election but it's not a winning presidential status. >> is that tight tv network? >> i think people around donald trump want to be the face of the hillary clinton opposition and that could be a media platform, a grassroots organization, keeping their supporters together. i do think that, yes. >> thank you for your time. i appreciate you joining us.

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thank you so much. that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." thank you for watching. i'm turning it over to "andrea mitchell reports." >> thanks, tamron. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," donald trump stunning the political world by refusing to accept the election results if he loses. >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. what i've seen is so bad. >> there is a tradition in this country -- in fact, one of the prides of this country is the peaceful transition of power. are you saying you're not prepared now to -- >> what i'm saying is that i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> damage control. today, team trump trying to spin their candidate's comments by linking it to al gore. >> you remember al gore in