good for him. he's in d.c. to receive the mark twain prize for humor. and president obama had him come by to congratulate him. by the way, bill, go, dodgers. that's all for tonight. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm donny deutsch. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to donald trump, hillary clinton, gary johnson, ed mcmullen, and jill stein, i think we found our winner. >> mr. president, do you think the cubs will win? >> i feel very confident that clayton kershaw is a great pitcher, but they've got too many sticks. they've got too many sticks. oh, yeah, they've got too many sticks all right. we've got a couple of big sticks here, including donny deutsch in new york city. after today, folks, there are only two fridays left before the finale of this presidential contest. and yet again, republicans are going into the weekend beat up,

bruised, and more convinced than ever that this race at the presidential level, at least, is essentially over. since donald trump self-sabotaged his final debate performance by refusing to say that he would accept the outcome of the election, the republican nominee's attempt to clean up his mess only made it worse. and then last night, trump made history in gotham city as the first presidential candidate ever to get booed at the quadrennial al smith catholic charity dinner. today, at a rally in north carolina, trump was still in a fighting mood. he took a rare swipe at hillary clinton's most beloved surrogate, first lady, michelle obama, and that is a no-no. but he also said he'd be happy with the way he ran his campaign, win or lose. >> i don't know what kind of shape i'm in, but i'll be happy, and at least i will have known, win, lose, or draw, and i'm almost sure, if the people come out, we're going to win. but i will be -- i will be happy with myself. >> well, donald trump's singing

that old frank sinatra tune, i did it my way, but his prospects seem to be getting more dire by the day. a new georgia poll by "the atlanta journal-constitution" show him with a narrow lead in that red state, 42-42%. that is effectively a statistical tie. and the former republican chairman, michael steele, is now reportedly saying that he will not vote for his party's nominee, and adding a bunch of really harsh language about trump in that. donny, my question for you is given the way that trump has acted over the past couple of days and the growing sense to have doom within his party, what should republicans do over the course of these last 18 days before the election? >> other than cry? by the way, i have to quote chuck todd about the al smith dinner. trump is the first guy to ever lose the al smith dinner, which is a charity event. stunning. here's a conundrum for the republicans, and i think they only have one lay here. obviously, if you're kelly ayotte or pat toomey or the rnc, you're trying to get those swing voters, those moderate voters,

those independent voters, let's take three facts, number one, a trump -- an avid trump supporter is an avid trump supporter. number two, an avid hillary hater is a lot of people. particularly some people will actually be voting for hillary clinton, and that's the play. you take an overall stance, basically, look, we feneed to protect the fort. let's stop hillary clinton one way or the other. this way you don't disenfranchise the trump zealots, you need them, and it's a way to get some of those people that are actually going to vote for hillary so begrudgingly, even some of those 69% of people that don't like her but are going to vote for her, give them permission to say, we're going to stop her, but stop her in another way. get that message out. it keeps the actual candidates clean and gets the message out. >> donny, i think there's one way to get that message out and we're seeing it already. up in new hampshire, the chamber of commerce, which has a lot of money and wants to protect the

senate majority has an ad they're putting up. the first one of the cycle that is very explicitly saying, elect kelly ayotte in new hampshire in order to keep balance on hillary clinton as president. now, it doesn't say, we're giving up on the presidency or say that we're accepting in any explicit way that hillary clinton is going to win. but that's probably the first of a very substantial number of ads like that ad, where outside groups that are basically acknowledging that clinton is probably going to win, are going to try desperately to keep hold of that senate majority by making that argument explicitly. by say welcome this is the last best hope we have to stop the clinton agenda. let's focus down-ballot and vote explicitly as a countercheck to her. forget about donald trump, don't talk about him. if not, don't repudiate him, but also don't talk about him. >> it makes so much sense with, so many people who were voting for hillary, they're not voting for her, they're voting against trump. give those people permission to put her in a box, and i think that's going to be a very, very sound strategy. i know a lot of people personally that would play along

with that game. the associated press is now reporting that hillary clinton's campaign is preparing for a scenario in which donald trump refuses to concede the presidential election if he loses -- i should say, when he loses, next month. that scenario, of course, would complicate a crucial transition period for the campaign as well as for the country who has been bitterly divided over this election. with increasing speculation that donald trump might challenge the interroga integrity of this election, what happens next if he refuses to accept the outcome of this election? >> i think it hinges on how much hillary wins by. if hillary clinton wins by a lot, it will be hard not to concede. or if she only wins by a little, you can imagine the scenario that donald trump decides not to concede, for a period of time, or maybe ever. it's smart for the clinton campaign to be thinking about that. it's smart for them to be thinking about what the message is that they would want to put out in that circumstance. but i will say this. if that is the way donald trump goes. and i'm not talking about

recounts or a super close election. but if donald trump refuses to concede and it's clear that she's won, he will go down in history, even more ig numsly than he may already be slated to do, as someone who really does not respect american democracy. >> i think he would go down in american history alongside joe mccarthy as one of the true nefarious characters in american history. you know who's stealing the election? donald trump, and he's stealing it from us. last night, i was watching tv with my daughter and he was talking about rigged elections, and i turned the channel. i don't want him to think that american elections can actually be rigged. that is the scorched earth he'll leave behind. he's donald the destroyer. what he said earlier is exactly true, i, donald trump, will be happy with this whatever happens, but i'll leave these turds in my wake. one of them leaving half of americans believing that the bedrock of our elections are not real. and we talk about this

dispassionately at this point. who does he think he is? just go away! you're vile! >> you know, look, my hope is that if hillary clinton wins by a decisive margin, that donald trump will, for maybe the first time in this campaign, realize that he has responsibilities that are not just to himself and his followers, and those are real responsibilities to yourself and your followers, but also has responsibilities to the system, has responsibilities to the country. i don't know if he'll find his way there, but i hope for all of our sakes that he does if that circumstance arises. it is time now for our daily wikileaks update. the group put out a tweet last night that seemed to suggest there may be a surprise in store for democratic vice president tim kaine and dnc interim chair donna brazile. so far, that threat has been a squib. but there were other new e-mails that were getting some notice today. one was from longtime clinton aide, huma abedin, who allegedly suggested that hillary clinton requested a $12 million commitment to her foundation from the king of morocco in exchange for hosting a 2015

foundation meeting in the country. another message appears to be from longtime clinton aide, doug band, who reportedly complained about bill clinton not having to sign a conflict of interest document at the clinton foundation, even though he is paid by foundation sponsors, and, quote, gets many expensive gifts from them, some that are at home, et cetera, end quote. clinton campaign has long-cited federal officials who say the rnks government is behind this e-mail hack. and david sanger has a new piece out today that points out that if hillary clinton wins next month, she'll open the white house with the most openly hostile relationship with russia since the cold war. we've been focused on the short-term electoral impact of the wikileaks and wikileaks hack, but my question for you is, the government is convinced that russia's behind this. it's the -- everyone across the board in washington are talking to national security and intelligence officials, they all say, russia is behind this whole thing. hillary clinton believes it. she's trashing putin. what are the implications long-term for u.s./russia

relations if she becomes president. >> steve schmidt gave a very brilliant and impassioned speak about, this is the first act of cyberwar. we talk about what's in it as opposed to what's happening. and i actually think this is going to be a benefit for hillary clinton. the best way to get kind of constituencies together is a common enemy. and mitt romney was right. this is our big geopolitical enemy at this point. and i think hillary clinton is going to come out swinging. it's easy -- when you have a face -- we used to have bin laden. now we have isis. there's no face there. there's a face on vladimir putin. and i think hillary will come out swinging and use this and other things that are going on, the ukraine, the short-term nuclear -- the short-range nuclear missile buildup, hostility towards other nato nations. she's going to use this, because there's a common enemy here, and that's the best way to get groups together. and i think this is actually going to play to her benefit. >> one of the craziest things about this campaign is the way in which donald trump has cozied up to vladimir putin repeatedly and systemically over the course of the campaign, if for no other reason for the fact that putin is really unpopular in america.

he's not a popular figure. his approval rating is down below 10%. look, you never want to start off unprecedentedly or in a supremely hostile situation with one of the great powers in the world. but i do think that from hillary clinton's point of view, part of the reason she's making these arguments about putin now is not just to try to discredit the wikileaks thing, although she is doing that for sure. she's also trying to lay down a sense, trying to cast putin and make clear what he has tried to do in this election, which is to intervene in the american electoral process, so that she has the political constituency behind her to do what she needs to do, if she's the next president, that has to deal with russia. okay, up next, things get nasty. we'll talk about the latest meme in presidential politics right after this. incredible bladder protection in a pad this thin, i didn't...

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replenish -- >> such a nasty woman. >> since that moment in wednesday's debate, donald trump's "nasty woman" comment as taken on the quality of a meme, inspiring t-shirts and buttons and catching on like wildfire in social media, particularly among women of all generations and it's putting other republicans on the spot now as well. today on fox news, republican congressman from texas, brian baben, was asked about trump's choice of words and defended his nominee saying, quote, sometimes a lady needs to be told when she's being nasty. okay. so with that, we're joined now by stephanie chirac, the president of emily's list. so stephanie, hillary clinton in the debate did a couple of things that have resonance with women. one, she defended abortion rights in a very forthright way. she went after donald trump as a sexual predator. but this "nasty" meme seems to have caught on more than anything.

why do you think that is? >> well, i think we watched that debate and saw an incredibly strong leader in hillary clinton and right at the end, you heard this -- and even for me -- and i watch all of this, right, i'm a junkie of politics. and i even felt a little bit like it was a sucker punch at the end. and i think for so many women, for so many of us around the country, we've been in that room when some unqualified guy says something snarky or tries to belittle us right at the end, and it just -- like, enough is enough. and i think that it's why it has caught the attention and -- because it went to our gut, right, it was a gut hit. and we're seeing it all over. the energy of women of all ages, like you said. young women, older women, across the board, who are like, that's it. hillary clinton is the most

qualified. we are proud to stand by her. she deserves to be president, and we're not going to take it anymore. and i think that's what you're seeing all over social media and what you're going to see on election day, even in early votes, we're seeing that around the country now. >> stephmy, it's donny. it's interesting. i felt that moment -- i know annoyed has goned with the rigged election, but i was stunned at that. there was such a misogynistic tone. so much of this has been about gender, how do a man and a woman go after each other on stage. and hillary, amazingly so, after she's been told she has hate in her heart and needs to be locked up, she's never responded with belligerence. i think they've done research and said a lot of men do not want to see a woman harshly respond to the man. she was very disciplined. on the flip side, women certainly did not want to see that kind of harsh response. and i think that was certainly not in line with the sexual assaults, but on the same path of a basic dislike for women.

by the way, what she did in that moment wasn't that nasty. it was just a little jab. >> it was like the jab heard around the country. it was just that instant -- like this -- like, right in the gut. and even personally, and he's said so many offensive things, from the very first day he announced his candidacy, he said things that shocked me that day. but when i heard that at the debate, man, i knew it instantly, that this was going to be a moment where seven out of ten women already dislike him. you know, this is someone who's bragged about sexual assault. we're already there, but this was like the extra bit of like -- how do i put it? we shifted into high gear. and now it's like, we've got to get this done. we've got to make sure that everybody gets out there, that we vote, that we talk to our sisters and our brothers and our husbands and our entire family and say, enough's enough. this is the time to end this, and i think that's -- that little bit for women, using that

term "nasty," and the way he did it, it really did catch -- it caught fire. ignited fire, maybe. >> stephstephanie, i just want clarify on behalf of my cohost, i think what what donny said, what hillary said was a little jab. i don't think he's saying that what trump said was a little jab. >> oh, okay. >> i feel the love over here, even though we're not together. >> here's my question for you, stephanie. one of the things that's very powerful to me about this is the way it's resonant with at times groups that are treated poorly embrace terms of aprobe yum that are used against them. there was a period of time that gays and lesbians adopted the term "queer" in a kind of defiant way, when they heard home nobodies calling them queer, they took out up as a

badge of honor. that seems like what's happening here. especially younger women, who are like, you want to call me nasty? you're damned right, i'm nasty. >> you are seeing it all over social media. i mean, even emily's list, where we have a campaign that's going incredibly well, called women can stop trump, you know, you saw the logo go out, and it was nasty women can stop trump. there is something about that. it's -- because when you hear it, initially, and it's so -- it's so painful, that you have sort of two choices. you can sort of crumble underneath it or stand up and be proud. and prove that person wrong. and i think that's what we're seeing women across the country doing. is exactly that. we're going to stand up. >> i think to that point, stephanie, i think women are going to rise up. i think what has -- watching trump wing a lot to have guys are saying this. i'm saying this. maybe it's time for a woman to take over. you know, merkel, thatcher, it hasn't gone so bad.

and i think it's just been a male with the worst male behavior we've ever seen and i think whatever the polls are showing by women, it's going to be, and then some. they have had it. and i think a lot of men are kind of saying, let's give the lady a chance. i think there's something underneath here happening. >> well, i'm grad to hear you say that, because it is way beyond time for us to finally crack through that glass ceiling and we have in hillary clinton someone who stood on that debate stage with grace and with grit. to just say, hey. i am -- i am prepared to do this. and really, i saw during that entire debate, forget about the last moments there, but that entire debate, almost an evolution, another step toward really becoming a -- the leader of the free world. and i was just so inspired by her performance. and then her ability to sort of stand and smile and say, you know, you can say whatever

you're going to say, donald trump. we've all been around those donald trumps, like that. it doesn't matter. the stakes are too high. and we're going to stay focused. and i think it's really an inspiration to elm with across t the country, as well. >> stephanie chirac, for my partner, nasty boy, donny deutsch, and me, thank you for being on the show. up next, we'll talk to survey monkey pollster, john cohen, when we come right back. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls... and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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i just want to say, i miss john in the study you here, because he defends me and i love him. with us now from stanford, california, is john cohen, senior vice president of survey research at survey mopgy. let's first on the presidential level, down ballot in a minute, we've been talking for months an a narrow electoral path for donald trump. how narrow is that path right now? >> well, it's extraordinarily narrow right now. and it's probably closed a lot in the last six weeks, since all three presidential debates and the vice presidential debate, you know, didn't help him nationally, and certainly is not helping him in the states. he had a very narrow path, through the midwest. but, you know, clinton's now contesting places that trump shouldn't be defending, like arizona, and even texas in our data. >> so, john, it's john heilemann here, i've been looking at your polling -- >> hi, john. >> over the past month. i know you look at your polling all the time. we just finished these big three debates, and there was some people who think that they were masterful performances by hillary clinton. they really moved the needle in terms of actually how the election is being fought out on

the ground. the impact of the tapes that donald trump had to suffer from, the accusations, what's been the effect of these last basically three weeks on the polling, of all the stuff that's happened? >> well, it's really collateral damage to the trump campaign. what we've seen on the democratic side is that democrats and democratic-leaning independents have become increasingly supportive of clinton, just like you would expect in the closing weeks of a campaign. but that just hasn't happened on the republican side. republicans are staying at the level of support they've had for donald trump over the last six weeks. so, you know, this is a really big missed opportunity for him. and in part, because of the damage, you know, that he's done to himself, by the tapes and the reaction to them. >> john, let's move down-ballot a little bit. obviously, let's talk about a potential wave. what is the tipping point, as far as a popular voter, as far as electoral vote, where it really starts to take his toll down-ballot. let's start with new hampshire, for instance? >> yeah, well, new hampshire, we actually have the democrats ahead in both the senate and governor's races, and we see that and there are a lot of really closely contested ones

from north carolina and it's really close. your last segment was about female voters. they will tip the balance in all of these states. when you look at gender balance across all of these states, it's as big as we've ever seen and when you combine that with the education gap, we have white women with college degrees going for democratic candidates, which puts lots of southern states in play, not only for clinton, but for the senate candidates. the democrats are in a good position, not as good as clinton is in terms of winning the white house, but they have a shot at taking over the senate. >> john, let me just -- drill into that little bit further. i hear from republican pollsters, who are doing private polling for candidates all the time that they're sort of freaking out right now, and if hillary clinton were to win the presidential election, right now she's at about six in polling average, if she got up to eight, nine, the senate would be gone for sure for republicans under those circumstances and the house would be in is jeopardy. what do you see in your numbers

in terms of the democrats retaking the senate and the house? >> at our national poll, we're right at that six number you mentioned o. we've been as high as nine and ten, and as low as one, but not for a very long time. clinton's numbers have been steady. there's been no sign it's gone up. she hasn't increased that lead dramatically. so it's kind of hard to believe what she could do at this point to increase it more to nine or ten. it's going to come down to some of the id ro siosyncrasies of t really close voters. >> john, give me the electoral numbers. does she get near 400? >> oh, gosh. right now we have her pretty solidly above 270. so when we talk about how narrow his path is, it's extraordinarily narrow or nonexistent when you look at the data today. she has a shot in the mid-300s, but i doubt she'll get to 400 unless only millennials can vote. >> john, you're a scholar and gentleman deserving much praise. coming up, we'll show you an

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suspe 19 days out from the election, you've been labeled a racist, you've been called a sexist. how do you respond to that? >> i am the least racist person you've ever met. >> that was donald trump, speaking or, rather, not really speaking, to nbc reporter in delaware, ohio, yesterday. we were joined now in new york by our consultant, susan del percio and here in our nation's

capital, democratic strategy and former white house communications director, anita dunn. anita, let me start with you. you were watching donald trump there walking out of interviews. you've been a communications director and guided many a candidate. how what do you think that says when you see a candidate do that. it tells you what? >> it tells you the candidate doesn't want to answer questions from reporters, which means the candidate doesn't feel things are going well. which generally means it's a campaign that is on a downward trend. so it's not a good thing when people start walking away from interviews with reporters. if they feel like they're in a good mood, they're not going to do that. >> susan, let me ask you this question that you've done a lot of crisis communications. i think in political terms, after the debate on wednesday night when donald trump said he wouldn't necessarily abide by the election results, some said that was a political crisis for him. the next day he went out and gave a speech in which he sort of doubled down on it, in some respects made it worse, saying he would abide by the election

result is if they wept his way. so how do you think donald trump is handling this particular moment where a lot of people are sort of freaked out by what he said at the debate. >> well, he's handling it terribly. he really needs to stop with this nonsense. for example, he has at least moved from, there's a national conspiracy with black helicopters and men in tinfoil hats, so that's good. but he's got to move off of these contested elections. right now, states like florida and ohio, there's an automatic recount if it's close. so he doesn't have to do all this nuance. he should get back on track, get on his message. that's the only time he has been really effective with in the polls. >> susan, i want to stay with you as a crisis manager, not even a republican strategist. let's go past the election, assuming donald loses. from where i sit, this is what i did for a living, he's destroying his brand, and we're seeing it already. hotels are down 30, 40%, people are canceling golf trips. we know the reason why. if he brought you in at this point, post-election, and says, okay, i got to go back to being

donald, how do i get this stuff away. how does he do that and can he do it? >> i think the biggest thing he's going to have to do to restore his brand is handle election night with some dignity and some grace. that could be the beginning of the rehab, if you will. i think he's hearing a lot from his children, that dad, we've got to get this back on track, we've got to go -- you know, we're hurting right now. but that's where i would start. >> anita, i agree. i think he's going to do -- he set up a surprise, because i think he's smart enough to know he needs a reboot and i think he's going to be gracious on election night and go from there. let's say he does. and let's say the mantle is handed to hillary at that point, on a non-conspiracy level, on a typical peaceful passage of power, what would be her first key things in her first 100 days during the transition? >> well, i think for hillary clinton, if she's elected president, a key thing for her would be to very early on in her transition, reach out to republicans, reach out to

independents. and demonstrate, show, not tell that she's very serious about trying to bring everyone together. >> give me a for instance. because, obviously, she's got to reach across to, that's one on one. give me a specific thing she could do, a tactic that would kind of all of a sudden go, wow, maybe this is going to be different than we thought. >> i'll give you two tactics she could do, potentially. one is, she could sit down with donald trump very early. she said to him last night that, you know, i'm going to need -- we're all going to have to work together. she could actually call donald trump, sit down with him. you know, talk to him. that would be, i think, a dramatic thing. the second thing i could do, though, she could actually go to capitol hill and meet with the leadership of both parties. go up there. not make them come to her. and that would also be, i think, a strong signal. >> susan, i want to talk to a colleague of yours, kellyanne conway, she looks really tired. i think she's great, but she's got an unwinnable trump. what would you say if you were managing her career now? she's at an interesting

juncture. she's got a brand and she can go down with the ship also. obviously, she's not going to abandon him. what does she need to do? >> she doesn't have to do anything. kellyanne's brand is solid as can be. yes, she went to work for a difficult candidate, but she has maintained very good relationships, and actually, the fact that she has gone on the networks so much and she's been on msnbc, cnn, fox, that has shown that she is willing to, you know, always stay in touch. so i don't think she has anything to worry about. >> all right, i agree. i think she's great, by the way. hey, guys, i really appreciate it. good stuff, all right? up next, sir eddie glaude, our friend from princeton. and gyou're watching us from washington, d.c., you can listen to us on bloomberg 99.1. we will be right back. ♪ something new has arrived. uniquely designed for the driven.

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maybe that's why he calls communities like the one where i was raised "hell." >> his closing argument asked, what do you have to lose? well, i'm here to tell you, everything! civility's on the ballot. tolerance is on the ballot. justice is on the ballot. equality is on the ballot. our democracy's on the ballot! >> that was, of course, president obama and first lady michelle obama out on the campaign trail for hillary clinton this week. joining us now from new jersey, dr. eddie glaude. he is the professor of religion and african-american studies at princeton university and chair of the center for african-american studies. eddie, good to see you, not so early in the morning, finally a respectable time. >> indeed, indeed. >> you know, that is -- i don't care where your politics where, that is an incredible couple. we know, obviously, president obama's approval rating is in the low to mid-50s. i think if they took michelle obama's rating would be in the mid-70s.

question, are they enough together? and it's very personal for them. we've never seen a president or a first lady out on a campaign trail as incumbents as they've been for an incoming potential president. are they enough to galvanize as much of an african-american turnout as we need? and even a tougher question, if you had to send out, who would you send out, at this point? >> bewell, the second question easier question. i would probably send out michelle obama. she's always been beloved in black communities across the country for a variety of reasons. and she seems, of the two, to be really effective on the campaign trail. as to the first question, donny, i think it's certainly not enough, but it won't hurt. the fact that you have the president with his favorability and michelle obama with her effectiveness on the campaign trail, making the case, making the case in the context of donald trump engaging in all sorts of racial dog whistles in

terms of voter fraud. you know, check out philadelphia, check out chicago, check out st. louis. those are claims or dog whistles or foghorns wi, as you might sa to say, look at these black and brown people who might steal the election. so to have them out on the campaign trail, offering the counterargument, indicting and condemning donald trump can't help but be effective. but, again, i think secretary clinton will have to do even more to get us excited or to keep us excited. to keep the enthusiasm up. >> eddie, i want you to take me on to the campus as a professor. obviously, you're dealing with hundreds and hundreds of millennials, black, white, every color. i've been shocked at their an think and lack of appetite for hillary clinton. i understand she's their parent's candidate, but as far as free tuition and as far as her take on climate, this is in the wheelhouse for anybody in that millennial age bracket and they're just not biting. >> i think there's a matter of trust. they were -- many of them were

supporters of bernie sanders and many of them heard her counterargument to his initial recommendation around these issues. remember, she said that they weren't doable. that these issues weren't practical. that bernie sanders was, effect, naive. so there's a sense in which they don't believe -- she's coming to these issues with full faith. and i think there's also a decent skepticism, donny, about the current two-party system. young millennials are active. they're making, i think, racial choices. and i think they're generally dissatisfied with the current political climate. and they're trying to figure out how to act politically. but there's a new study out, gen forward, at the university of chicago, particularly breaking down millennials of color and what they see in the data is that although there's skepticism, black millennials are breaking towards hillary clinton. and her campaign should be, at least, excited about a that. but it's still kind of couched in a general skepticism about

whether or not she's really committed to these issues, right? so they know that if she gets in office, how -- you know, they're questioning whether when she gets in office, will she even pursue these issues. >> eddie, i want to ask you a question in a broad sense. we now finish these three debates, right? all of them massively rated. 80-some million in the first one, 60-some million in the second, 70-some million in the third. there was a discussion in the first debate lester holt led about criminal justice issues and a little bit about race. beyond that, i don't think, the topics was broached for the rest of the debate. so if you're african-american, man or woman, any age, watching those three debates in america, your takeaway is what? >> well, you know, it's not only invisibility, but disposability, john. and what made the second debate -- what made the silence in the second debate more egregious is that they were at washington university in st. louis, just 15 minutes down the street from ferguson.

and hillary clinton didn't even broach the subject. and she could have. particularly when the question came about, or was asked, could donald trump govern all of america? and so part of what we have seen, and i've said this before, is that there's a kind of confusion on the part of the clinton campaign. on the one hand, they seek to activate the obama coalition. they want to kind of take those constituencies, get them excited, motivated to go out and win. but on the other hand, they want to activate the coalition that elected bill clinton. and that coalition was -- that strategy, it seems to me, was predicated upon triangulation, right? and that involved, in some ways, kind of taking black voters for granted. and it so seems to me that that confusion is evidenced -- has been evidenced over the course of this campaign and has been evidenced throughout the debates, as well. so as an african-american voter, i must admit, i was pretty upset as i was watching. >> yeah, yeah, i had a feeling you might be, just knowing you a little bit. so let me take the answer to

that question and loop it back to the first answer you gave to donny, right? so if i were running for president and i was a democrat and i had michelle obama and barack obama on my side, i would have them out there every day i could, given their popularity and their skills as performers. but, if i were an african-american voter in a swing state or in a background state, and i felt like, that the job of getting me excited was being outsourced by the clinton campaign to the black president and the black first lady, i might think that was a little condescending. am i wrong to think that's a little condescending, or you might feel that way if you're african-american? >> some may feel that way, with john. i think more than anything, i think african-american voters want to confront candidates who are seriously thinking about issues that are confronting their communities. so you can send surrogate after surrogate, it can be barack obama, it can be michelle obama, it can be bernie sanders, right? it can even be usher or chris brown or beyonce.

beyonce might be kind of exciting. but you can send these surrogates out, right? you can send these surrogates out, but at the end of the day, i think african-americans want to hear what? they want to hear policies around -- they want to hear policy platforms around employment. they want to hear, how you going to substantiative address criminal justice, they want to hear, how are you going to address urban housing -- you know, the housing crisis in our communities. and it's not enough to send us to the white papers that you've written. you have to lay out the policies in detail, so that then, we can then engage you, right? and so the urban policy that we've heard from the clinton campaign, for example, i have a lot of questions. are we going to rely on surprise zones again? we've been relying on that iffoa long time. is that sufficient? at the end of the day, we need to start treating african-american voters as substantiative, thoughtful, rational actors and not apolitical creatures. the obamas are going to do a great job, but, again, going back to donny's question, it's not -- they're not sufficient. we need more. >> eddie glaude, i love

listening to you. one of the smartest guys around. appreciate it, buddy. up next, money, money, and more money. we'll break down the latest fund-raising hauls, right after this.

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further deepening the sense of foreboding within the republican party these days are some new fund-raising numbers out just now, that show democrats are out-raising republicans in every way on every level, from what was raised to what was spent, to cash on hand. hillary clinton is out-pacing donald trump. democrats are out-pacing republicans. here with us to talk more about this and other topics of interest is matea gold of "the washington post." great to have you here today. we're showing a bunch of stuff on our wall there that illustrates the point i was just making, which is that democrats seem to be ahead in most important respects. am i right to think that that's something if i were a republican right now, looking at everything

else that's going on in the world, that would be just another cause for deep concern? >> yeah, i mean, you could call it the icing on the cake or also, just sort of a symptom of the larger problem, right? one of the things that is happening now is that hillary clinton and the democratic party had twice as much money on hand as republicans and donald trump, heading into this last final month before election day. by any way you measure it, that is not helpful. and if you look at actually how they're spending their money, you also see that the democrats have a huge advantage, especially on the ground and in the air, so hillary clinton's campaign spent $66 million last month, just on ads. that was three times as much as donald trump. she has 815 paid staff. she had 168. so the numbers really show the huge difference in infrastructure. >> right. so matea, let me ask you the obvious sort of question, right? donald trump has had a horrific three weeks, just horrific, by

any historical standards, in terms of the stories he's been dealing, the controversy he's been immersed in, how he's handled them, all of that stuff. and hillary clinton's massively outspending him, and yet, although she has a demonstrable lead nationally, about six points according to the polling averages and she's pulling ahead in a lot of battleground states, it's not a runaway yet, right? we just had on the director of surveymonkey, who said he doesn't see a landslide in the offing. so why is that? >> well, it's clear we've seen this dynamic since the beginning of this election cycle. that this is an incredibly polarized electorate. and that there were people who made up their mind very early on about both these candidates and they just are not going to be budged. really, this election is coming down to fighting over those last little slices of the demographic that still haven't made up their mind for whatever reason. but i think we saw more volatility post-labor day than we typically do, and that's in part, pollsters have said,

because there's not great affinity for these candidates. so while there's a lot of animus on both sides, people have doubts about their own candidate they're supporting, so so they're able to be swayed. but we're seeing it just going back and forth enough at the margins, not the hung sweep in one direction or another. >> hey, matea, it's donald, i want to do our daily wiki update. that's the point, every day something drips out. today it's about interacting with the king of morocco and a $12 million interaction. one of the reasons none of this is getting traction because donald does something that tops it. even if donald behaved like a normal candidate, it doesn't seem like any of this stuff is sticking. >> we've spent a lot of time looking through the e-mails that were released. and you have to look into context, taken alone, some of these e-mails seem dramatic or alarming and it's important to do reporting around them and really understand what they say and signify about the way clinton has operated in her

campaign and also how the foundation operated and so far we have not seen this kind of dramatic bombshell that wikileaks and others have promised. i do think we're seeing a lot of fascinating insights into how she managed her campaign, approached this race. i mean, really interesting nuances when you get behind the scenes and try to have a better understanding of the political calculations they've been making. but if anything, these revelations have reinforced perceptions of the way she approached some of the issues this year. i don't think they've really delivered any huge surprises. >> it's inside baseball. it's interesting, the reason the e-mails stick is because the average person deposgoes, oh, s erased 30,000 e-mails, she must be up to no good. the average voter hearse th thi stuff and there's not a sound bite there. what would be that extreme situation? that sound bite? that kind of thing a republican

would be drooling to see in an e-mail? >> at this point, it's very hard to just speculate about hypotheticals about what would be in there and what would actually garner headlines. i don't think it's helpful for her to have this constant press so of stories about the political calculations that her strategists were making and trying to figure out how to make decisions on tpp, for example. it doesn't help her with her labor allies or the business community. there's no question this is not helpful. but i don't think we have any indication we're going to see any wrongdoing in these e-mails. and a lot of it is just sort of filling in the gaps of the story that we've seen play out over the last almost two years now. >> matea, i want to bring our conversation to an end in this last minute we have together, with the way that everybody wants to end on a friday afternoon, which is talking about journalistic self-investigation. things that we journalists like to think about in the dark nights of our soul. you cover this wikileaks thing and it's complicated, this

story, because you're dealing with stolen goods here, basically, right? so there's question about how you verify that these e-mails that have been leaked are real. but there's also the question that's been posed by a lot of people. is it okay for us to be covering, you know, property that's really been stolen, presumably by russia, handed to wikileaks, and now put out, to try to intervene in an american election in an unprecedented way? so how do you guys grapple with that at "the post." and you, yourself, personally? >> so we obviously take that issue really seriously. i think our view is, this material is out there. it's being interpreted by people who actually don't have a lot of knowledge of the reporting or nuances of these issues. i think we actually can help serve our readers by bringing some context and reporting around some of these e-mails and provide a fuller picture of what was actually happening. >> yeah, i know you guys are handling this responsibly and i didn't mean to suggest that at all. thank you, matea, a really thoughtful answer. really great to have you on the

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head to bloombergpolitics.com for all your election coverage needs. for john, for myself, sayonara. drive safely. "hardball" with chris matthews starts now. guess who's coming to dinner? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington from the al smith dinner last night. well, tonight donald trump's race for president seems caught in a downward spiral and he can't seem to pull out of it. with 18 days to go until election, republicans are panicked. battleground state polls show hillary clinton rising. she's gaining altitude in several red states, including georgia, utah, arizona, and even texas. meanwhile, a new nbc online poll out just