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pennsylvania donald trump discussed what his first theoretical 100 days in office would look like if he were to get elected. some of his other policy proposals included withdrawing from the transpacific partnership and fully repealing obama care and replacing it with health savings accounts. i sat down with lawrence o'donnell on my show "a.m. joy." >> what many people will always hear when they think of donald trump will be the infamous tape that surfaced two score and one day ago. >> it's like a magnet. when you're a star, they let do you it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ].
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>> i'm so disturbed every time i hear that tape. it's so off putting and weird. donald trump has tried various methods of resetting his image in the american mind. but that tape is so omni present, how can a speech at gettysburg change it? >> and i don't want people to forget that tape, especially as the conversation continues about the allegations of sexual assault by him. you had gloria allred on earlier. the allegations are going to continue again today. i have this fear about the public mind and its ability to retain things over time. and it's so -- 90 days ago in news now, it's ancient history, people forget so much. i think we do have to at least a couple of times a week say in my show replay that tape so the people remember this is what we're talking about.
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he admitted to this. it's not just admitted. it not like, oh, they dragged it out of him. the cops worked him for hours and he finally cracked and he said this thing. it's no, no. he boasted about it. and that is what criminals do backstage in their lives. they boast about the stuff that they do. so it should never be forgotten. he would be impeached if he was a president who was caught on tape saying that. bob packwood was expelled from the united states senate. he resigned days before he was going to be expelled for less than that. he was never on tape saying that. he was accused not of grabbing people that way but trying to kiss women against their will. and bob packwood's defense was not they're all liars. his defense was i was having a lot of trouble with alcohol at the time and i don't really remember. so he didn't actually try to
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attack the women and donald trump doesn't have the alcohol excuse. according to him, he's never been drunk. so, yeah, i just keep replaying that. people are going to forget if we don't. >> he's on tape saying that beautiful women are his scotch and he said that in the context of a 17-year-old girl. you are a lawyer, i'm not -- you know what, my father was a boston cop, went to law school nights, my brothers are lawyers, my little csister's a lawyer. i'm the only one who is not a lawyer. i'm barely a college graduate. >> we consider you one. the question is for donald trump if he were to somehow be able to defy the incredible odds, which are 90% against him and someone were to file a sexual harassment against him, per the paula jones precedent, he could be a sitting
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president facing these. these are questions that could come up if he were to be president. >> according to the republican standards for impeachment, donald trump already meets them. so, yeah, it it looks like we're going to be spared this ordeal. and in fact, you know, during the period where chris christie was supposed to be working on the transition and picking himself for attorney general, of course could never be confirmed, instead donald trump will be testifying in his fraud trial about trump university. that's going to be right after thanksgiving. that's the next stage of the trump show for america. >> and the thing is that's ironic about that is you had chris christie at the republican convention giving the guilty, guilty, guilty salem witch trial speech about hillary clinton and now he's in this position. but to return to donald trump going to gettysburg, all of the
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ironies there -- >> i just carry the gettysburg address with me. it's easy to carry with you. i think trump's is going to be longer. >> a bit longer. lincoln wasn't even the keynote speaker. he gives this brief speech, it's a couple of minutes long but it's seared into history. there are phrases we remember to this day, talks about the countries living up to its founding creed, people who had given their full measure of devotion, all of these phrases. the idea of someone who is largely supported by people in the deep south, who probably detest abraham lincoln to this day is running a quite divisive campaign where lincoln's whole purpose was knitting the country back together. the irony for you? >> this is where the trump campaign proves every day it's being run by high school boys. i mean that as a kind of label to include everyone, including the women working there because it has that high school boy
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mentality of juvenile and delinquent in its way. and so if adults were doing it and trump had been this disruptive to our process, including disruptive enough to say, well, i don't know if i will accept the results of the election, to go to that level of outrage and you were scheduling this speech, you'd say, hey, the one place we shouldn't go is gettysburg there are going to be comparisons to that guy who went there and spoke in exactly the spirit of donald trump. >> and even from a campaign tactical point of view, donald trump is losing pennsylvania in epic fashion, right? all the polls show him being destroyed in that state so there's not even a tactical reason to be there. >> yeah, but it's a short flight, okay? he's 70 years old. he's known to be a lazy man who prefers a lies in fe in pajamas
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ice cream. it's gettysburg. why fly all the way to arizona and do a struggle where michelle obama has just been out there. believe me, the rest of the campaign, judge this by how long did it take to get there? >> he'll be in connecticut next. >> it not going to be electoral college battle ground state. it going to be how much jet fuel does this expend exactly to get us there? >> given the fact that you've had the speech at the al smith dinner, which was epically wrong for the occasion. >> it's because the high school boys have no idea what the al smith dinner is. they do not understand catholicism, they do not understand the cardinal's role in the life of new york city. i'm sure trump some of it was his idea, some of it was crazy bannon's idea. so they went in with the wise guy speech in the room where that doesn't work.
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>> given that and that they probably don't understand the gettysburg address that much better, maybe they've studied it and i'm just being unfair, what do you expect him to say? >> can there be any doubt about which side of the civil war the trump campaign would have been on? there's no doubt about that. >> there's polling that shows a plurality of trump voters that say the south -- >> donald trump is winning in the confederate states. >> except north carolina. >> but as a group, he's going to win the confederate states as a group. >> my question then because we are going to listen to the speech, to at least some of it. >> i happen to have the speech. >> you have the speech? >> it's supposed to release the hundred days agenda, right? and you have to wait until today, unless you are on the trump campaign e-mail list soliciting funds, which they desperately do every day.
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>> they do. >> so i was sitting at my desk last night and my friend who is on that list because he bought like a trump hat or something as a joke, he sends me all the trump fund raising e-mails. so here is what was released last night to the poor people who are being begged forr imone every day by the billionaire who cannot afford to run for president. >> appoint agenda. you can't negotiate a movie star's contract in a hundred days. change federal immigration rules and cancel numerous regulations to provide more high paying jurojobs for our people. great hero, amy goodman. i'm honored to follow her. i was at the reservation the same day when amy was shooting
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that video that ultimately got her charged with that crime. we were like a mile apart and it was impossible to tell what was going on over there. i'm trying to do this trump style, which is the hundred day agenda will not be described coherently, it will be filled with irrelevant interjections. repeal the obama care disaster. that's the whole thing. now, here's what's not on there. calling mexico and telling them they have to pay for the wall. >> there you go. >> banning muslims. apparently no wall and just muslims pouring into the country for the first hundred days of donald trump. that's not even on the list. >> that is an interesting point. because the wall, it's still a fixture i guess of his speech, of his rallies, but it's not in his policies. >> the wall isn't so much in his speeches. the way the wall gets into the rallies now is the poor desperate audience has to yell it in there. someone in the audience has to shout build the wall. and then he'll go, oh, yeah, we're going to do that.
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but it's not actually in his teleprompter. so they've kind of proved that out. but that's it. i mean, in fact, they're trying to say it's going to be stuff you haven't heard before. it's everything you've heard before. actually, it like 1/10 of what you've heard before according to the list right now. most of the extremely crazy trump stuff is not in the hundred day -- >> on an exit question to you, on a serious note, we have some fun with donald trump and his sort of odd, odd thing that we're calling a campaign but on a serious note, there's a lot of violence, implied violence, actual violence that swirls around the trump cam pan. going to gettysburg lincoln was failed by our political system, without having acknowledged that violence is happening or really repudiating it, what do you make of a campaign that's seeming to stoke more it have by telling his supporters and his angriest
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ones at that don't believe the election if she wins. >> i think what you're watching is a desperate, losing campaign. there is nothing america hates more than a loser. and donald trump is going to feel that. i have every confidence that the trump supporters, the trump brigades the day after the election are going to do exactly what they were going to do no matter who won the election, they're going to go to work, they're going to take their kids to school, you know, they're going to do their homework in their college classes. life is going to go on. remember, trump voters have been on the losing side of the last two presidential elections and they didn't take to the streets, they didn't grab their guns, they didn't go to war. they're not going to go to war. they know donald trump is a liar. the way they know it is they get this e-mail every day asking them for money. the guy who said i will never need your money now begs them for money and most of them ignore the e-mail and don't give him the money. they're not going to go to war
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for -- they're going to feel the way they felt at the end of every other election for them where they're on the losing side. they're going to feel, oh, the liar that i voted for this time lost also. and there's going -- i fear nothing about the next day. i hope donald trump never concedes. i want him to take that unique position of hatred and poison in our political history. i want it to be extremely clear to historians who this guy was. i don't want him to fake it and be gracious about hillary clinton being elected president. i want him to be hateful to the very last minute that his microphone is on so that historians will have absolutely no doubt what kind of poison entered our system and what kind of poison was expelled from the system by the american voter. the transition of power is from barack obama to whoever wins the
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electoral college. apparently donald trump will have nothing do with that and what he has to say about it is no more important than what rush limbaugh has to say about it. rush limbaugh will not be gracious if hillary clinton wins. >> the republicans do dredge up abraham lincoln whenever they talk to the black folks. >> ethey are so lucky -- >> while i find it hard to imagine house republicans walking around from donald trumpisms. can the republican party cut the cord on november 9th and pretend that donald trump beamed in from another planet and doesn't really exist anymore? >> no because a lot of trumpism was already put on the table by tea party members of the house
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of representatives, who have always been the speaker's biggest problem, whether it's speaker boehner or speaker ryan. and they know that. but i think it's helpful, it's helpful to speak are ryan and helpful to reasonable republicans to see donald trump personally defeated by as big a margin as possible because you then get to say to your crazies, you know, he did lose. i mean, you get that, that he lost. and it's 50 states and it's not just your district in alabama that tells us how to govern the 50 states. and so they will need that lesson. and so they're not, you know, paul ryan is not hoping donald trump loses in a squeaker. to that extent, steve bannon is right when he says paul ryan is the enemy. he's the enemy of donald trump, that's for sure, and trump has helped make him the enemy of donald trump. but he is not the enemy of republicanism, he's not the
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enemy of conservatism and for him to be able to do the job that he genuinely never wanted, by the way, the speaker job, what bannon and these guys forget is he didn't want this job. it wouldn't be hard to get him to leave this job and go back to being the chairman of the ways and means committee, which he enjoyed a lot more. and so, yeah, it's -- this is going to be a decisive election for republicans in losing more than it will be decisive for how the democratic party negotiates its future. >> and we will enjoy negotiating, i this i most of us that have covered the election cannot wait o cover the lame duck because that's going to be a lot more fun. >> and i think the hours are going to be a lot more reasonable. >> so much better. >> a lot more reasonable. >> and no gross tape. that's helpful. i will say you've gotten the last word, which is the right thing to say but there's still more show. thank you you very much. appreciate you. >> coming up, donald trump isn't
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>> nate silver actually went through and said that her debate polling is proving that something that she is doing is impacting the polls. >> she really did move the polls and she did it affirmatively. it was not just that he stumbled. we've talked about this a long time. it really bothers me that there's this perception that she's this terrible politician who is only winning because this guy is such a disaster. >> you and i were both obama people in 2008 and just from the learning curve perspective because that campaign was kind of a mess, the hillary clinton campaign. she made like every mistake in the book during the primary,
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sort of unforced errors, there didn't seem to be a lot of discipline the way they spent money. just from a learning curve perspective, this is a much better game. >> and she also has some of the obama sources on her team. i also think she deserves getting credit for going up against a man baby for five hours collectively. it's not just she baiting him. it's also, look, she has policy, he doesn't. she has experience. he doesn't have experience. and it showed. so i think she deserves a lot more credit than just the baiting. one thung i do want to say is, look, the clinton campaign did something that was pretty phenomenal. they laid out traps starting from the convention, right? that trap with the khans, they
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put that out, he took the bait. the trap with alycia machado, they put that out, and he took the bait. and the final trap yesterday was michelle obama. how do you go after our first lady? are you kidding me? the white house put that trap o out, he took the trap. >> let's start with the white house, the white house warning them don't do it. doesn't come for michelle. let's take a listen. >> trump university gets sued for fraud and racketeering, he claims the court system and the federal jj is rigged against him. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his testimony v program three years in a row and he started tweeting that the emmys were rigged against him. >> should have gotten it. >> this is a mindset. >> that's not what we were going
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to do but it was also quite good. this is the white house, josh earnest, actually telling donald trump's campaign don't do, it don't do it. he said, "there's no bolder way for donald trump to lose even more standing and that's by attacking michelle." let's quickly listen to michelle obama then having laid that trap, the clinton campaign that said don't come for michelle, leave her alone, here is the floatus going after donald trump. >> a candidate who tells us that our country is desperate and weak, that our communities are in chaos, that our fellow citizens are a threat, a candidate who calls on us to turn against each other, to build walls, to be afraid. well, barack and i and our friend hillary, we have a very
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different perspective on this country. >> now, michelle obama, the closer, did that a couple of times. she didn't mention him by name but she just kept coming for him and coming for him. he had been warned, don't come for michelle. donald trump takes the bait and here he is. >> we have a president, all he want to do is campaign. his wife, all she wants to do is campaign. and i see how much his wife likes hillary. but wasn't she the one that originally started the statement if you can't take care of your home, right, you can't take care of the white house or the country. where's that? i don't hear that. i don't hear that. she's the one that started that. i said we can't say that. it's too vicious. can you believe that, i said that? they said, well, michelle obama said it. >> and to your point, corine, that is not what michelle obama
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was talking about. she wasn't talking about hillary clinton. >> they basically said it's just not proven. fact checkers have debunked it. >> michelle, it does seem that the clinton campaign, they went and did a psych profile of donald trump, they want to the author of "the art of the deal." they knew exactly how to trigger him and he couldn't resist. >> he can never resist. it's further argument of does he have the temperament and control to be president of the united states. here's what i love, which is the irony of all ironies. we've got michelle obama, an african-american women, hillary clinton, women who have gone through so much, to have the right to vote, to be looked at as a thinking human being, and
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here's this black women standing up saying despite all of this was great and hillary clinton, she stood up, she was healthy, she was smart. they've both been sort of channelling their inner ali, doing the rope-a-dope over and over again and one, two, three, they are knocking donald trump out because he can't keep quiet. he can't think. i mean, he goes and he gives a speech in gettysburg where one of the greatest speeches of all time has ever been given and he gets the american public to compare him to abraham lincoln. i would say right now the american public is comparing michelle obama, hillary clinton, president obama, democrat after democrat to the republican party's abraham lincoln and he's given them every reason to do so. >> dana, that is a great point. if you're going to go to
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gettysburg, but you're going to open with the women accusing you of sexual assault, i don't even know wa you could tell the donald trump campaign because that's what he chose to do today. >> yeah. i mean, lincoln had his gettysburg address, this is trump's gettysburg redress of grievances that didn't allow him to actually get to any policies. >> i want to ask you very quickly on this. hillary clinton -- you are standing for the washington press corps today. there doesn't tend to be a narrative that hillary clinton is affirmatively winning. even though it shows that hillary clinton outperformed donald trump in debates. she's got the metrics. why doesn't she get the write-ups? >> it is true. by the way, i was in phoenix this week and watched that michelle obama speech. she gives a great speech and she's grown immensely and i
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wouldn't be surprised if we see another first lady heading for higher office in the future. but clinton is a magnificent debater. she's very expert at getting under donald trump's skin. for the first 30 minutes of the debate wednesday, he was fine. she was able to needle him, she knows how to get after his vanity. that's what was very effective. another thing i wonder about is trump got a little bit wild during the primaries. he kept it under control. i wonder if he has a lot of difficulty with this because he is running against a powerful woman and that he's having so much trouble dealing with the very virtual of her being a woman makes him fly off the handle faster han. saying that michelle obama might run for president, that's going too get you some angry mail from michelle obama. >> i didn't say run for president. >> okay.
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just a quick correction from our last hour. with when trump economic adviser peter and a hanavarro put out se information about american wages. according to the government's latest and most detailed annual report on wages, america's real wages are finally really rising after 15 flat years. for more fact checking of trump surrogates, join me on my regular weekend show "a.m. joy" right here on msnbc. up next how the trump campaign may be affecting the trump brand when it comes to golf.
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would you make hillary clinton a par three or a par five? >> have a good time. we're going to go up to the 14th tee, if anybody wants to see they say one of the great sights of the world, if you want to see it. >> central to donald trump's brand are his golf courses. the one in new jersey is set to hold the next women's open next july, the biggest tournament in women's golf and some have called for the u.s. golf association to pull the women's event from the trump's course citing his comments about women. as christine brennan of "usa today" wrote after the "access hollywood" tape came to light wrote "it must be moved, a trump golf course, no matter how beautiful and centrally located
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it might be cannot be host to an vent that is the crown jewel of a women's sport, which competitors from around the world, not after all the awful things trump has said about minorities, immigrant and women." but the usga has said mr. trump has made some remarks at odds with our belief that golf should be welcoming and inclusive for all." joining me is nyu professor of history and co-founder of golfers against bigotry and martha burke, author of "your voice, your vote." martha led a protest in 2003 to open the augusta national golf club to women. thank you both for being here. martha, are you surprised there
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has not been more outcry from women and women golfers about the idea that the lpga is set to host a tournament at his new jersey golf course? >> i have been a bit surprised, joy. i have not been astounded and here's why. a dozen years ago during the augusta national controversy, which played out for over a year on national television, the lpga was notoriously silent. the organization was and the individual golfers were. so while i think this is more egregious because they're directly involved, i'm not terribly surprised. i'm very disappointed. >> yeah. and, you know, jeffrey, the head of the lgpa said regarding the women's open said the following: i'm not here to be a politician. i know that what the players want is that i don't get so plit california as and he went on to say all i've said to the usga is
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has lon proven you support women's golf so if you tell us this is the right place to play then we're right there with you." >> well, that's a cop out. the thing that he's said to women, done to women and brags that he's done, including sexual assault, that's a heck of an epitaph to me is say all i want to do is play golf on a good golf course. >> a dozen players were interviewed about this and only one player was adamant that the the tournament should be moved. there's been a lot of focus on athlete when is it comes to black lives matter really
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stepping up and taking a stand. within women's golf, you led a protest to try to get augusta to admit women. why do you supposed there's not more of an activist spirit by women? >> the lpga has just about always had a male executive director. right now they're about 50/50 in their executive ranks but some of their board members, including some of the women have been there a very long time and they've drunk the kool-aid so to speak. basically they're doing what the boys tell them. i realize the usga is the decision-maker where these tourneys are held but if these women stood up as a group and said we don't want this, our inthis isn't politics. this is personal integrity.
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how can you sell that for some golf course that, yeah, it beautiful. there is a back story here though, joy, that has not co come -- in other words, he's underwriting it and he's saying don't worry, boys, you're not going to lose any money because i'll pick up the difference if it doesn't turn a profit. to me that's a bribe pure and simple. >> and that's interesting, jeffrey, because you did see the pga actually pull a tournament from donald trump property in florida in june of last year, in part because cadillac dropped out as a sponsor and that tournament now going to mexico. they couldn't find a replacement sponsor in the u.s. >> that's the pga tour, which is different than the pga of america. the pga tour ran the world golf
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championship at doral. they claim they couldn't get anyone to sponsor it and outside of mexico city it will be held and trump said, "i hope they have kidnap insurance." so bag to the pga of america, the pga of america is contracted to have two championships at trump golf courses. one at his trump d.c. course, the senior championship in 2017 and in 2022, the pga championship, along with the ryder cup. he can say my course has hosted major championships and that's a tremendous honor, it's a stamp of approval, it's a money maker for him. it's bragging rights, it's prestige like you wouldn't
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believe. >> like you wouldn't believe. and if he were viable to become president of the united states, it would be a course owned by the president of the united states, which is another whole issue that we didn't even have time to get into. thank you, jeffrey samons and thank you to martha burke. up next, who will win the baldwin-mckinnon face-off debate tonight on snl? >> thank you, thank you. >> it's that they're killing each other. oh, the blacks live on one street in chicago. all on one street. i just read that this morning. it's called hell street. and they're on hell street and they're all just killing each over, just like i am killing this debate. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card
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number two, no lifetime limits, which is a big deal if you have serious health problems. and, number three -- sorry, i thought i -- and number three, women can't be charged more than men. >> while most outlets and polls agree that hillary clinton won the third and final presidential debate, we at "a.m. joy" would like to recognize the other winner from that night, "saturday night live" viewers. since the more absurd moments of the second debate inspired the episode last week. we can only expect tonight's to be even more hilarious.
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>> we have some bad hombres here and we'll get them out. >> do you have make the same commitment that you will -- sir, that you will absolutely accept the results of this election. >> i will look at it at the time. >> there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row and he started tweeting the emmys were rigged. >> should have gotten it. >> that's because he'd rather have a puppet. >> no puppet. no puppet, no puppet. >> you are our in-house comedy stylings expert. can't they just quote the actual al smith dinner and just have that be snl? >> in the way they have a bigger challenge because life has imitated light night comedy here. so how do you spoof a spoof? i think we'll have some visit from bad hombre and the puppet
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and nasty won. i've even changed my twitter name to bad hombre. >> i thought you were going to say nasty woman. >> my fiancee is nasty woman. i'm bad hombre. >> i said for a long time that donald trump even if he survived the summer, once "saturday night live" came back, he was going to get savage. do you think it has real resonance? >> i don't know that pop culture is dragging down anyone. i think our politicians at least to the extent that they are being dragged down, they're doing it on their own. you know, perhaps like snl, the thing that's so wonderful about comedy, comics really get an opportunity and they have a knack, i don't know how but for some reason they have a knack at
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looking at what is really happening in the culture, what is happening with regards to our culture and they find a way to make light of it and show it. and to the, lent, snl is doing a very great job. >> and corine has declared him a man baby. so i think you've maybe made the diagnosis on our behalf. >> #man baby. >> on the other hand, you have a lot of conservatives who watch this show and they get really angry because they feel not only is drpd being hokd. >> here's what i'd like to say about that. you need humor. i think humor is so important, especially in this environment we've been living in in the last 17 months. it's been rough. so when i was on the obama
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campaign in 2008, we had sarah palin. >> and the portrayal is so harsh but i think it helping her in a way. >> remember during the primaries are bernie, they were really savaging her -- in a gentle which. and bernie becomes loveable larry david. so it cut both ways during the primary. but i think it's really fascinating because i feel like alec baldwin has even gotten inside trump's head. >> and his own brother's head because apparently steven baldwin would be to imbrace the kate mckinnon version of
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yourself. america might just need that kind of leader. i think the kate mckinnon portrayal is brilliant. >> i'll be back tomorrow morning on "a.m. joy" 10 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. ame the rai. ...and clogged the gutter system creating a leak in the roof. luckily the spider recently had geico help him with homeowners insurance. water completely destroyed his swedish foam mattress. he got full replacement and now owns the sleep number bed. his sleep number setting is 25. call geico and see how much you could save on homeowners insurance. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order
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