we have news we just got in. armed soldiers and law enforcement officers dressed in riot gear have now begun arresting protesters who set up a camp on private land to block detection of the dakota pipeline in south dakota. several have been led away and put in cuffs, this as authorities are converge ing on their camp in north dakota. this is an ongoing situation. we're just learning of the details. we'll keep you informed as we learn more. i'm steve kornacki. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's thursday it's been an action-packed day on and off the trail as early voting kicks into high gear. 13.7 million americans have already voted.

tonight as the candidates make their final campaign pitches, hillary clinton turns to her closer. >> no one is going to take away our hope. let's get this done. thank you, all. god bless. plus, we'll look at what this week of rough headlines for the left means for democratic party hopes for a clean sweep down the valley. and could texas really go blue? the fact that question is even out there shows what a wild campaign is really is. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." 12 days to go, and if the next 11 are anything like this one, buckle up. we have a major story in the clint ont foundation. more trump conspiracy theories, battleground blitzes, threats to destroy the clintons before they take office and michelle obama

unload odd donald trump. no time to take a breath or me to speak clearly, so let's dive in. michelle obama made her next appearance with hillary clinton on the campaign trail today. michelle obama tried to light a fire under the democratic base. >> when you hear folks talking about a global conspiracy and saying that this election is rigged, understand that they are trying to get you to stay home. just for the record, in this country, the united states of america, the voters decide our elections. they've always decided. voters decide who wins and who loses, period, end of story. casting our vote is the ultimate way we go high when they go low. voting is our high! that's how we go high, we vote! how do we go high? how do we go high?

>> but all is not well at the clinton campaign after a hacked memo from a former top bill clinton aide, doug band, detailed a circle of enrichment that somehow involved the clinton foundation's corporations that were clients of doug band, donors, and of course former president bill clinton. as you might suspect, the trump campaign is trying to use this news and hitting it hard. >> if the clintons were willing to use their enterprise, just imagine what they'll do to once again control the oval office. hillary clinton is the most corrupt person ever to seek the office of the president. >> but right now time is trump's enemy. today the gop nominee interrupted claims of rigging. >> if she gets more than trump

got, several million in the popular vote, will you accept her nomination? >> i'll make the decision at the right time, don't worry about it. but we have a rigged system. >> that was that answer, then came this tweet. a lot of call-ins about vote flipping at the voting booths in texas. people are not happy. big lines. what is going on? that's what the republican nominee tweeted this morning. trump referred to some isolated reports of machines flipping from trump to clinton, which makes a conspiracy on sites like info wars. they have examined these complaints and have so far determined they are largely the result of user error. a republican texas judge put thoout this statement, quote, there is nothing wrong with any of the machines we use for voting. they do not flip parties. humans do that. there is also accusations of

flip voting in north carolina and georgia. folks, these things have happened for years. there was supposedly vote flipping for romney. nothing was found. others in ten at tnessee said v for mccain were flipped to obama. even the dnc's report on those issues found, quote, no evidence that it impacted the results. look, people aren't perfect, maybe the individual machines aren't perfect. but these kinds of reports happen all the time but they're actually rare and they're always quickly debunked and corrected. most of the time you out there never hear about them. why are you hearing about them now? because one of the presidential candidates is amplifying it. we never had a presidential candidate decide to mainstream some of these innuendo and conspiracies like trump. is he doing himself damage in it? congressman chris collins in new york, first columnist to endorse

trump. good to see you. >> good to be with you, chuck, always. >> i'm going to use your words to me. actually to one buffalo news a couple days ago. you said this. "this is america. were trump to lose, he would accept that, and his supporters would accept that. this is america." why do you think donald trump won't say that? >> i meant what i said. he'll accept that, and he seems to be a little bit stuck on the idea that if there is a 100-vote difference in florida, of course someone is going to contest that, they're going to recount and so forth. i just think it's a bit of a distraction. i don't agree with that distraction, but i will tell you he gave a great speech in ohio today. he gave a lot of reasons why people should vote for him as opposed it hillary and michelle obama talking about reasons why they should vote against donald trump. now, donald trump brought up some -- go ahead. >> i want to follow up on this because i actually was talking

to some folks who have been trying to help donald trump out, and their biggest complaint is that trump doesn't spend enough time talking about giving voters a reason to vote for him. you say he says that. as you can see, he spent a lot of time bashing the clintons. what are the best three reasons to vote for trump, in your opinion, that don't have anything to do with the clintons? >> well, you can always contrast it, but it's putting america first and there's nothing wrong with saying the clintons put themselves first in the same breath but put america first. secure our borders, and hillary has said she stands tofor open borders, so that contrast is okay. on defeating isis, accurately pointing out why isis is there, because of failures in our foreign policies certainly in iraq and syria. there is nothing wrong with giving the people the reasons for jobs, jobs and jobs, secure our borders, stand up and defeat

isis. at the same time, contrasting to hillary clinton the speech she gave in ohio today, i just wish he had been giving that speech the last 60 days. he would have this election in the bag. we do have 12 more days to go, and we've seen, at one point four days ago, the clinton campaign was basically declaring victory, and oh, my god, they've come all the way back. nevada is back in play. he's leading in florida. >> i want to talk about something else donald trump said on abc. it has to do with the russian issue. here it is and let me get to you react to it. >> intelligence agencies believe the russians are behind that leak. why don't you believe it? >> i don't know if they're behind it and i believe it's public relations. people are hacking all over the place. >> congressman collins, you're not on the republican committee, but there are people on the

republican committee both in the senate and the house. donald trump is being briefed on this, is being told essentially the russians are behind this. why is he calling our professional intelligence agencies into question, and does that concern you? >> i don't think it concerns me, because they can't say with 100%. i do agree, the russians are probably behind the hacking, so i do tend to accept that. even the security officials will say it's 99%, not 100. again, i wish that's something mr. trump would move off of. . and this $116 million that went to bill clinton, they're calling him bubba and saying this is another one of those issues that the clinton family first and, but i don't disagree, and i will tell you again, if he gave the speech he gave in ohio today, he would be in the lead, and for me

as a supporter, i hope it stays that way the next 12 days. >> i want to ask you about something jason chavits has said about a couple things. he's gone back and forth endorsing donald trump. then he said he wasn't endorsing him but he was voting for him. i'll let others say how we redefine those words these days. he said he was getting ready to investigate hillary clinton as president. you say the brakes need to be tapped on that. explain what your concern was about that language. >> we're going to have a divided nation at the end of this election regardless of who wins. we're divided right now. we need this nation to heal. we need to do that by talking about issues, some certain level of compromise although it will be different to compromise a republican conservative agenda with that which would be a progressive socialist agenda, but i do believe there are some areas, corporate tax reform is one. if we take away citizenship for

the illegal immigrants, i think we can put together a very strong immigration package. but i don't think we want to start right away if mrs. clinton was elected and make it appear, you know, that there is a witch hunt. now, she does need to answer to some things. there may be some issues that have come up that we would like answers to. hopefully those would be forthcoming. but if she is elected president, she'll serve for four years. i'm going to be the optimist that we can work together on some areas, but that will in many cases depend on her rhetoric and how she moves forward. >> let me ask you this. how divisive inside the republican conference is support for trump or not trump mean for post election? does paul ryan have problems inside your conference? does he have the confidence of enough republicans in the house to stay speaker after this election if you guys hold the majority? >> i do, chuck. paul ryan has done a fabulous

job in keeping our conference united. he is a very open process and they're going with 4:00 in the afternoon rather than 6:00. >> you will not blame paul ryan for a trump loss. >> no, not at all. he was lukewarm from the beginning, and his focus has been on making sure we have a majority and the biggest majority we can have going into the next congress, and so that's been his focus and i'm fine with that, and our conference is united behind him. frankly, i'm not sure anyone else would want that job, it's the most difficult job in the world. >> you just cracked up the entire panel here with that answer there. anyway, congressman chris collins for western new york, always appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your views. >> good to be with you. >> good to be with you, too. you guys started to giggle on that line. chief correspondent politico and

senior politico reporter susan page from usa today. glen, your chuckle was the loudest, i think. >> it's flossing the alligators at the zoo job, right? >> nobody wants that job. it's interesting to hear chris collins. i've heard this from more and more trump supporters. they sound more like him. they're lamenting. >> yes. he actually said it will be a witch hunt. he laid out what we could do with hillary clinton. >> he short-circuited it, but i'll clarify when he said you have to make a path to citizenship. the path to legalization rather than the path to citizenship has always been a sticky point. >> we can work together with her on some issues, we can investigate everything. there are some who want to have more. we talked to others who said no, it was the whole caucus. you heard almost a whole trump

vision for the republican party, which i was struck by. >> i was, too. susan, as i've gotten to know chris collins a little bit, he's sort of the angel on trump's shoulder. if trump is reshaping our republican party, not donald trump himself but the new trump voters, chris collins is representative of western new york, blue collar district, really, they don't care as much about the social issues. he could be a guy to watch here. >> who is the devil on the other shoulder? >> possibly roger stone. >> here is where it's interesting. a big supporter of trump, right? >> first guy in congress to support him. >> he is prepared to move past trump. he's basically saying he may well lose, and if he loses, we need to be cooperative, we need to try some compromises, we need to delay going after the new president. 12 days after the electiountil .

it's not like the election is this afternoon. >> can you imagine even a hypothetical? then he had this lament on if he had adopted the tone, look where we would be. a lot of trump supporters are moving past him but the point you make about the coe message and trump outlasting trump, i think you're right about collins. he's got that lasting message. >> i'll be curious to watch him and a few others. i want to go to this jason chavitz thing. how much he said yesterday felt like the first campaign pitch to speaker of the house? i don't mean to be that cynical about it, but is it? >> i sort of read mccain's comments that we'll block everything forever, ted cruz's comments that we only need eight people, all this positioning for the future showing that they're going to be firing against hillary, making sure the base knows that ted cruz is going to run for reelection in 2018.

i think of those things as more positioning and they don't necessarily reflect what the parties will do. >> let's talk about michelle obama. somebody said this in multiple pollst pollsters i've talked to. there is one winner in this election. it's michelle obama. she has turned into the star. >> who is running for president at that rally? who seemed like the person running for president? she's just so good on the stump. it's not like she's had tons of practice because she's done relatively few of these. only when she needs to do it will she do it. >> this election is obama's vision of america and trump's vision of america and it just happens to be hillary clinton as the nominee. >> it almost seems like michelle obama ought to be the nominee, right? just in terms of her performance. >> performancewise, yes. >> people forget that in charlotte in 2012, she probably gave the best speech of that convention. bill clinton overshadowed her. and i thought in 2016, she

clearly had the best speech. >> she had the best anti-trump speech, too, during this campaign and the speech she gave after the release of access hollywood. >> and she's so focused. she's in these places and reminding voters, and we just saw numbers come out, that the turnout in virginia has not been great in the early voting. she is always such a focused surrogate. she always makes sure to make the closing argument. >> you want one last point? >> today's speech, hillary introduced michelle. she was with michelle for about 30 minutes. she mentioned the voters oppression story was out tlt. if you don't understand -- she sort of worked the news in without bashing trump directly. coming up, the third party bubble appears to be bursting. we're going to look at where johnston and stein voters appear

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>> that was donald trump today hitting clinton for a memo uncovered by a wikileaks dumpha e-mails. he said for what it was worth it was in the prepared remarks. this news has created a slew of rough headlines for the clintons, reinforcing the worst perceptions that some have about them, written by long-time aide doug band. this memo details, according to doug band, what the strategy was for lining up millions of dollars in consulting contracts and paid speeches for bill clinton to the clinton foundation. and it also makes clear just how inseparable the clinton foundation was to the family's own personal business interests. the news has not authenticated the e-mails, the clinton campaign hasn't, either, but band did authenticate the

e-mails. in the news this week that obamacare premiums are set to rise significantly next year. we could look back and say this was the week that democrats lost their shot at a clean sweep down the ballot. perhaps it's too late to have this stuff impact the presidential, but down the ballot in another story. it's not the first time the clintons found themselves in this position. look at this same week 20 years ago. bill clinton was leading bob dole by as much as 20 points in some of the polls. the democrats were looking at not just keeping the white house, they wanted control of both the house and the senate, and in early october, they thought they were going to do it. then came what some called chinagate. it was an investigation that focused on whether illegal chinese donations were being funnelled in to the clinton campaign and the democratic party. clinton still won reelection. a lot of strategists believe it was those bad october headlines that got republicans who were

demoralized about dole back on board to vote republican down the ballot. congressman adam schiff is a hillary clinton supporter. he's back with me now. re welcome back to the show. >> thank you. good to be here. >> do you think simply because of the political distraction it could be that the clinton foundation in some form either has to be shut down or changed? >> i think it should probably be divorced from the family, and -- >> what does that mean? >> i think the foundation has done tremendous work and continues to do tremendous work, and i think they're going to want to keep that legacy alive, but i think the family itself should separate from it so that there's a clean break with the white house. i think that would be in the best interests of the new president, and that's what i would suggest. i do think, though, looking at the picture of the campaign right now, these new russian hacked documents, russian leaked documents aren't likely to change the dynamic.

i think possibly at the top of the ticket or down ballot. i think raising the premiums is more of an issue for the down ballot candidates, and i would urge the down ballot candidates that this is an issue they have to discuss and address. that, i think, is probably the bigger challenge this week. >> let me ask you, though, going back to the foundation. what this memo showed is how potentially corruptible it could be if you also have access to the highest office in the land. president clinton was a private citizen at the time. it is a concern what this looks like if suddenly it looks like corporate donors can essentially buy access to the president of the united states. so how do you divorce it without a total shutdown? do you think that is possible? >> i do think it's possible. i think what it means is that the family shouldn't be involved in the foundation and that others who are holy and independent of the pirs family should run it.

i think that is imminently doable. >> we can't do any fundraisers or paid speeches if she's president? >> i think what it means, and again, i'm if not an expert in this area. as a practical matter, you focus on the job at hand which is being president of the united states. anything that detracts from that distraction is just not worth doing. that's what i suggest. >> let's go to health care. it sounds like you have advice for democrats who don't know how to handle this. you think it's a tough issue for democrats. >> it's an issue i think they need to address, and there may be changes in the affordable care act which we have been trying to make. right now we have a party in congress that basically says repeal or no and aren't willing

to work on it. they are afraid to make any improvements because that's acknowledgment that it's going to continue. i would talk about that as a candidate, i would talk about how i'm trying to make changes and improvements, drive down cost, increase competition. i wouldn't simply be a cheerleader -- >> let me stop you here. give me an example. what is a fix, a simple bill, that could be fapassed that's realistic that would increase changes? >> i think one is a public auction that would drive down costs because you would -- >> with a democrat controlled house and senate, mind you, and couldn't get it. >>. efforts at increasing competition within the exchanges, identifying why are some of the plans dropping out

of those exchanges, but the bottom line is we want to keep protections for people with preexisting conditions, which means that people have to acquire insurance, healthy or sick. and what republicans have never been able to answer is, okay, they have criticisms about the plan, they have no plan of their own. they say they're going to protect boem preexisting conditions, but they can't really mean it. so these are things, i think, that the democratic candidates need to address head on and i think they need to look at the other party that won't fix these problems. >> what do you think if there's a big wave? >> this is the kind of election there may be a big wave. if voters turn out like we think they will. if donald trump voters turn out

like they have the capacity to do. and the clinton supporters, if they can't bring themselves to vote for donald trump at all, that has the makings of a huge wave. we won't know until november 9, but we could have a change in the house with that kind of wave. >> the way you guys count in california, we won't know until november 11 if it's close. you've got experience with that, too, i believe. >> for the country's sake, nobody wants to wait a minute more than they have to in this election. >> i think on a presidential level, at the house it could take a few days. congressman adam schiff on behalf of the clinton campaign. thanks. >> thanks, chuck. is the lone star state becoming a long shot for democrats? stay tuned. there's a denturadhesive that hos strong until evening.xodent.

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i tell you, we take texas very seriously, hillary and i do. we can see the spirit, we can see the energy, we can see a state that has been a red state moving in the best direction. >> it's been 40 years since a democratic presidential candidate won in texas, not since jimmy carter beat gerald ford in '76. and at that time only bill clinton with a big assist from texan ross perot lost by less than 10 points in that state. john mccain beat obama by 12 in '08. but now texas hopes they found an unlikely candidate: donald

trump. on an on-line poll, it shows trump is still leading but they only have him up by three points. he's at 45%, clinton 42, johnson and stein 7 and 2 respectively. they did an ad for texans, maybe it was for donors, maybe just to have fun with trump. that was the first time that editorial had backed a democrat since world war ii. joining me now for a rare appearance is the ceo of the texas tribune, edmond smith from washington. what's been interesting to me about all the texas numbers, your new ones included, is that clint clinton's number is basically obama's number. >> it's the democratic number over the last four cycles. >> what's made it close is trump has come down. is that fair to say? >> you mentioned mccain and romney. i'll add to that, trump is way

underperforming republicans in the last four cycles. that's the only reason this is even a race. >> in other words, texas is not turning blue. it's just not into donald trump. >> although competitive is competitive. the democrats have been so down in the heels for 20 years, they haven't elected anyone statewide since 1994. they'll take good news even in the form of a single digit loss. >> so part of this is due to lack of enthusiasm for trump. >> correct. >> so if it's election night, and we're not calling it a poll close. that will send shock waves tie bun -- to a bunch of people. is there enough where democrats will see that they did make inroads? >> there are probably three to five legislative seats that are fairly competitive and one congressional seat. if trump wins by low single digits, those people have a problem. if trump wins by three as our poll has it. there is a layer down from that where people who don't know they

have a race have a problem. >> give me a member of congress that is not on the radar now that in a scenario of less than three points goes. >> there is not one. we have 36 congressional seats in texas, there is one, will urd, republican from san antonio. pete gallego won that seat in 2012. it's the only 50-50. >> it's gone back and forth. >> four times it's gone back and forth. >> is it all due to jerrymandering? is it what they did to austin and divided it by five? >> we have no competitive elections in texas. if no one is turning out to vote in texas, which has been the case the last three cycles, it's because people realize their vote doesn't matter. >> that's interesting.

jump to 2018. ted cruz. is he in trouble or not? >> the fact we're talking about it means he may be. >> not in trouble as far as the democrats are concerned. >> the democrat couldn't be ted cru cruz, no, but trying to feed off the anger of ted cruz over first not endorsing trump and then coming around and endorsing him late. the committee chairman of the house is apparently entertaining. he wouldn't deny to me or anyone else that he's looking at it. he won't say he's doing it for sure. >> is he the big threat because he could sell fund? >> he could sell fund. rim perry said, i'm done, i'm not going to do this. the fact is conservatives love ted cruz even if they may be mifed at him for the moment and you can't get to the right of cruz. >> texas is not turning blue. >> oh, hell, no. and it's not turning blue in

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order your kit now at ancestrydna.com. just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to trump, right? why are we even having the election? her issues are so bad. >> can't make it up. that was trump just a few moments ago still in ohio, in toledo. it's time for "the lid." i'm speechless, susan. obviously he's going to say tongue in cheek and all this, and it certainly sounded tongue in cheek. >> let's assume it was tongue in

cheek. he's not really calling for us to cancel the election. >> this is what republican strategy is like. stop talking about this. they really believe it is hurting republican turnout. >> when he talks about a rigged election, which is not so tongue in cheek, that really resonates with the people who are supporting him and that's going to create huge problems. >> i just got an e-mail with someone i deal with a lot when is a big trump supporter down in texas and really dedicated. he says, i don't believe why you bother to put up these polls, i don't believe a single one of them. if trump wins, the entire political industrial complex of polling and media and all that, but i guess we are in the poll denying stage. >> we're in the everything denying stage, chuck. look at the voter fraud. it looked at essentially 25 years of national elections and said you have a greater chance of getting hit by lightning than

engaging in real voter fraud. i went to see a real proponent of this stuff in kansas and he said, i did a voter analysis in kansas instances of elevator fr. i said, how many votes were cast? he said, i don't know, 2 or 3 million. >> that shows you it's a -- error rate. it goes back to what chris collins said at the start of the show. i just heard that one speech in ohio. keep giving that speech. >> literally, doing well, just talk about policies. and then he moves to that. which, he steps on himself all the time. then again, trump being trump worked in the primaries. >> it's not working right now. >> well, depends on what you're trying to do. are you trying to win the election? not working for that. are you trying to create a situation where you continue to be influential with a significant group of people after the election? >> i want to get your guys' take on clinton and the clinton

foundation. how bad? >> i think it's really significant. this hits to ep arational stuff. i can tell you inside the campaign prior to the debates, they were concerned about the foundation stuff. in fact, there was a lot of conflict between the people who were doing press and communications for the foundation and the campaign itself. the campaign did not feel -- and we saw a lot of this stuff in the wikileaks e-mails about the e-mail controversy, initially. bad communication between the campaign and the foundation this this is really significant and it plays into her negatives, which trump has succeeded in driving up. >> and it seems -- what's interesting about wikileaks, perry, is the professional clinton campaign people have been giving the advice that says, you know, just detach. get rid of the speaking fees. put the speech transcripts out. obviously, they hit a brick wall on this. >> the e-mails keep showing that robby mook, the campaign manager, had good insight into, don't use the e-mail -- what's the problem here? let's get the information out quickly. let's get this --

>> who's stopping it? >> it appears to be the candidate is not listening -- >> two people. maybe the candidate and the candidate -- >> these are obvious mistakes. it's interesting to look back now. a lot of things people like glenn and i were criticizing them about, the staff was very aware of the obvious problems and didn't address them. >> and are there signs she would take their advice when these situations come up at the white house? >> i think my favorite line, whoever authorized this, they should be drawn and quartered. >> that's going to be an interesting test. in that if a president hillary clinton has neara tanden in the room, that's going to tell you something. few these e-mails have made neara tanden persona non grata in a white house, that's going to be -- because she comes out as the big truth terreller. >> that's how we got the iraq war. you need a president who listens to advisers who don't always say

yes, sir, yes, ma'am. >> the non-group thinking. >> and someone who can criticize the president. that's a really challenging thing to do. >> it's bad for her if she's president. does it have an impact on this campaign? >> it just reinforces perception people already had. now, maybe it depresses a little bit of turnout. maybe it makes some people a little bit more discouraged, gins up a few republicans, but nothing is a surprise. it's just more evidence of something we already knew was going on. >> i thought it was interesting, adam schiff accepted the premise of both things and said, look, it's obamacare that's going to have more of an impact down the ballot. by the way, i applaud them. i think the american public are served when there is -- when these members just are directly honest and don't play political games. and neither one of them did today. and i appreciated it, as a viewer. but i thought it was an interesting tell. yeah, obamacare's a little bit tougher to explain. >> the obamacare race, very easy to plain to anyone.

the rates are up. the affordable care act -- >> it's a policy issue. >> it's a very easy thing to say. also, you have some candidates like evan bayh who voted for it. no one's really voted for -- >> the irony is now, remember before when democrats wanted to say, call it the affordable care act. no, no, call it obamacare. >> it also affects people's own lives, as opposed to the clinton foundation which is a little bit more -- >> right. all right, thank you. get rid of that cold and don't give it to the rest of us. >> after the break, it's hillary clintonner own words. stay tuned. hillary ton: faroo many families today d en what

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in case you missed it, apparently it takes a village to write one hillary clinton tweet. according to an e-mail chain released by wikileaks, it took at least 12 people and 10 drafts to come up with a 134-character tweet from clinton about the fight over a $15 minimum wage. they started with this. "every american deserves a fair shot at success with a true living wage. i stand with fast food workers in the hashtag fight for 15." and it's signed with an "h." that signifies a personal tweet from hillary clinton. but some staffers were concerned that tweet was too strong, so they changed it from, i stand with fast food workers to i applaud fast food workers. draft three, with corporate profits at record highs, it's time for a real raise for all working americans. draft number four back to the

original tweet. draft number five keeps every american deserves a shot at success. then adds, fast food and child care workers shouldn't have to march in streets for living wages. but that tweet was too long for the twitter character count. in comes draft number six. that loses the hashtag for space. the next up with puts the "h" signifying the personal hillary tweet back in, but no evidence of her involvement at least in this e-mail chain of any discussions. the next one puts the hashtag back in, too. we've now reached draft number nine. at this point, it was suggested they drop the tweet altogether. but there was a tenth and final draft that they do go with. it was the previous version that was the "h," but not the hashtag, and that tweet went out at 9:23 p.m. that night. the e-mail conversation about it began more than 12 hours before that. 12 hours, apparently at least 12 people, for 134 characters. meanwhile, her opponent is basically on his own island when it comes to his own tweets, not even spell checking them.

that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect," though, starts right now. >> i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to all those people stressed out about the election, a word of advice from meditation expert, john harris. >> namaste. all right. on the show tonight, clinton foundation the soothing powers of meditation. but first, the politics of femininization. with just 12 news cycles left before the election, high-profile women on both sides of this race were out in force today, in winston-salem, north carolina, today hillary clinton made her first and possibly only campaign appearance with another soon to be former first lady, michelle obama, and it was a