>> godzilla plus. >> all right. me, too. head to bloombergpolitics.com right now to see what donald trump's followers are saying about the wide-ranging conspiracy to steal the election. until tomorrow, for me and mark, sayonara. >> coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. >> something about women. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. who would you rather have in your corner if you're a boxer, i guess? michelle obama or newt gingrich? well, with the first lady, you have her inspiring young people to vote with a call for moral clarity. with the former speaker, you have him bashing a tv news anchor. and today, michelle obama took the stage in north carolina. the campaign with hillary clinton, in front of 11,000 people, she praised clinton, the first lady, took some jabs at donald trump, and made a case

for american greatness. here she is. >> she has more specioexperienc exposure to the presidency than any candidate in our lifetime. more than barack, more than bill. she is absolutely ready to be commander in chief on day one. and yes, she happens to be a woman. we want a president who takes this job seriously. and has the temperament and maturity to do it well. because we want to go to sleep at night knowing that our kids and our country are safe. it's a country where a girl like me from the south side of chicago, whose great, great grandfather was a slave, can go to the finest universities on earth. a country where the daughter of

an orphan can break that highest and hardest glass ceiling and become president of the united states. >> talk about political ability. i've never seen it quite as good as the first lady. earlier in the week, newt gingrich went to war with fox news's megyn kelly. he was then congratulated for his performance by donald trump. let's watch that performance. >> if trump is a sexual predator, that is -- >> he's not a sexual predator -- >> okay, that's your opinion. >> i'm sick and tired of people like you using language that's inflammatory that's not true. can we go back to the tapes of your show, recently. you are fascinated with sex and you don't care about public policy. >> me? really? >> that's what i get out of watching you tonight. >> congratulations, newt, on last night. that was an amazing interview. we don't play games, right? we don't play games. >> oh, yeah? that was the latest example of a campaign that some republicans say is driving away women from the party. don't just limit it to women, anyway. according to the "washington

post" today, a growing number of prominent republican women are worried that as members of their male-dominated party step up to defend donald trump against accusations from sexual assault, they are causing a irreparable damage to the gop's deteriorating relationship with female voters. ironically, continuing with the post, ironically, it is trump's candidates rather than hillary clinton's that has brought sexism to the forefront of political debate. katie packer, she was on the show recently, the deputy managing campaign manager for mitt romney's 2012 campaign told "the washington post," quote, for next-generation professional women, the party's going to have to do something very, very drastic to change the course of where this candidate has taken us. well, how much damage is it? we've watched a lot of this and shown you the exhibits on both sides. joining me right now, michael steele, the former chair of the republican national committee. he's an msnbc political analyst. author, ron reagan, also an msnbc political analyst. and molly ball, staff writer for the atlantic. molly, i want to defer to the former chair of the republican

party first. i know it's a women's issue, but i've got to ask michael. this is the craziest, craziest juxtaposition. there you have the most dash -- you've got to be careful how you say things, beautiful first lady, attractive, dynamite speaker, incredibly polished, ivy leaguer in every possible good sense of that word, charming, persuasive, a role model for everyone, male and female, of every background. and then you have newt gingrich duking it out in this side show along the gangway of some circus that they're running against megyn kelly, who is one of the most popular conservative anchors we've ever seen. what is going on with your at least current or erstwhile political party, at least? i don't know where you stand. why are they such fools? >> this is a party that is actually outside of itself right now. it has no orienting moorings. it's not moored to any idea or any particular leader in the sense that you have the congressional leadership that's

going in one direction, the political leadership going in another. and you have the nominee of the party that has really not laid o out a direction. so you have this moment, this quintessential moment, where all the work that the party has put in over the years to captivate the imaginations of women, african-americans, hispanics, all of that's for naught. and it's all being lost, not in a matter of years, but in a matter of weeks. in the last few weeks, this sort of dumbing down of the political process by party leaders and others, has just been stunning. and the women of the party, in this hour saying, enough. and my view, it's about time. i want more of those voices to come out to send the clarion call that this party is going to require different leadership and a different direction after this election. >> molly, i have a plan for you to get into the front pages of the newspaper, whether you want it or not. just get in four feet of donald trump. did you see dana bash the other day? he called her insulting because she asked him about why he was

taking time from the campaign to go open up a hotel. it was a fair question. of course, it was a little bit provocative, but that's the idea of these questions, you provoke the candidate. and he was provoked. anyway, your thoughts? >> look, i don't speak for all women, obviously, but the women who are pronouncing themselves divorced from the republican party, prominent women, women who are republican political professionals, they're not doing this because they disagree with republican positions. they would very much like there to be a conservative party that women can be a part of. a party that is pro-life, a party for small government. they are not becoming liberals, right? if they're voting for the democrat, it's because they feel they've been forced to by, a as chairman steel was saying, a republican party that has signaled it doesn't want to respect women as human beings. so it's a tough decision for a lot of these women and i think there is potentially long-term damage without new leadership. that being said, i think there are a lot of conservative women

out there who would respond very positively to future republican candidate who was able to make more polite overtures. >> what happened to the republican party that looked up, and i mean, really looked up to margaret thatcher? big-time. she was the role model for what a conservative woman would be. and now it's the party that -- i don't want to say. let me go to ron on this, who has some experience. your father's best friend in politics was this very strong leader, leader of men and women, not somebody to be treated the way anybody should be treated, but now you see these side fights. i mean, why is newt gingrich fighting with megyn kelly? just move on! dust it off. say something. >> well, let me make one point, first. and that is, that we tend to characterize these issues of sexual harassment and sexual assault, in this case, as women's issues. they're not women's issues. if anything, they're men's issues. men are the ones, generally speaking, doing these -- the

harassing and the assaulting. but they're human issues. now, as far as newt gingrich goes, really, could you ask for a worse person to be discussing issues like this? this guy's been married three times, cheated on his first two wives, told up with of his wives she had a choice, a divorce or an open marriage, was impeaching with bill clinton for having a consensual affair while having an affair himself. and really, worse than that, really, conflates the two issue of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and sex, which is a mistake you see republicans making all the time when they discuss this. this, to them, is somehow sex, when you grab a woman's genitals against her will, you're having sex, as far as newt is concerned. >> we're getting into that world now, that mr. trump has dragged us into. anyway, trump's comments about women has caused trouble throughout the campaign. he's attacked hillary clinton's look and her stamina, which i've never heard that gone after. gone after the weight of a beauty queen, mocked the looks of women who have accused him of misconduct. and attacked female journalists,

asking him questions. as i said. let's look at a little run-through here. a little reminder. a little recap. >> she doesn't have the looks, she doesn't have the stamina. >> she was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight. and it was a real problem. >> take a look. you take a look, take a look, look at her, look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so! i don't think -- >> i don't have a lot of respect for megan kelly. she's a lightweight. she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her -- wherever. >> for you to ask me that question is actually very insulting. because hillary clinton does one stop and then she goes home and sleeps. i think it's a very rude question, to be honest with you. >> donald trump said the following about you, quote, look at that face, would anyone vote for that, can you imagine that, the face of our next president? >> i think women all over this country heard very clearly what

mr. trump says. >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> good for carly fiorina. anyway, trump went after hillary clinton's stamina again today. she seemed to imply that hillary clinton was so tired after their second debate, she almost collapsed. let's watch this argument. >> she's definitely a low-energy person. i said, where is hillary? i watched after the last debate. and after the second debate. she was tired. wow. she walked off that stage, of course, she had a lot of people around, she had a lot of people around her, which was smart. >> so, michael, just to project what he's trying to say there, because it's not hard, in other words, she had a cadre of people around here, to hold her up, so she wouldn't fall to the ground after he was finished with her. i mean! everybody saw her on television. it's like the old groucho marcus. believe me or your lying eyes. we all saw her do very well in

the stamina department in all three debates. it's not questionable that she was weak. >> i think the reality for trump is that hillary clinton has very effectively batted back all of that. and pushed back on it very, very clearly and effectively. and done so in a way in which she showed, actually, in my view, him to be the weaker of the two of them. and that's what's been so profoundly stark for me in the last few weeks of this, is just how utterly donald trump's campaign has moved into a space. it's not where no campaign has ever gone before. it is a space that doesn't exist in politics. and you're seeing the results of that. women, african-americans, other groups are just saying, enough. and i don't know how you translate that into votes in 12 days. i don't know if there's a hidden vote there acknowledging that there isn't this hidden trump vote, after all. but this thing is pretty much damned near toast. and it's largely not because of anything's hillary clinton has done or the democrats have done,

it is what this party and this nominee has done to itself. >> i think a good part of it is hillary's restraint, too. molly, i want to talk to you about hillary, but i want to get to the larger question we tried to raise here. looking down the road, to foreign politics, the next four to eight years, of woman who are aspiring, a woman who may have missed her generational chance, because there aren't the opportunities there were today. those women, 60 and 70-year-olds and even older, looking back, a young woman like any granddaughter is trying to make it today. this guy's not her friend. that kind of personal reaction, what do you think it's going to do to the gop, this republicans, when this is over in two weeks? >> i want to go back to what ron was saying about men and human beings. i think that's really important. what i think is really interesting is, you know, donald trump is running an us versus them campaign. and the calculation was, sure, we might anger america's women, but men will flock to this macho appeal. men will flock to this idea of sort of dominance and machismo

and old school entitlement. but that's not what's happening. according to a lot of polls, donald trump is doing worse with men than mitt romney did. >> and their daughters, too. if they have sisters and daughters -- >> or they just think women are people. in the same way -- >> makes me feel better about my gender. >> he's doing worse with white people than mitt romney did. so just by alienating african-americans, you don't win over a lot of whites who wanted to hear that. so we have an american who is saying, we don't want to be polarized, we don't want to be divided along these lines, even if they don't agree with hillary clinton, they've been put off. >> ron, you may have been ahead of all of us, ron, but i think evolution is really true. i think men have evolved. i believe in evolution. i have kids who say, i've evolved. and i think maybe trump hasn't. but i think most men have tried

to adjust to their daughter's aspirations, they're trying to be equal. >> yes. >> with their kids. they don't want to think their young boys have better opportunities than the young girls. they want to be fair. >> there is hope for man after all. >> but, you know, for instance, the third debate. think of the third debate when chris wallace got around to sk aing about endorsing. how did he characterize it? late-term abortions and partial-birth abortions. there's no such thing as partial-birth abortion. doesn't exist. 1.3% of abortions take place in the third trimester. almost all of them, because there is a serious health department problem for the mother or the child or both. and that's the reality of that, yet nobody, even hillary clinton, did not correct chris wallace when he said that. >> i think -- i'm thinking hair color. anyway, thank you michael steel, not to be too crude about it. thank you, ron reagan and michael steele, you have a rough job these days.

at least you're not reince priebus these days. >> chris, it's working out just like planned. >> a lot worse. >> let's move the priebus question. anyway, coming up. that's my pun. coming up, inside bill clinton incorporated. the latest hacked memo from wikileaks reveal just how intertwined the clinton foundation was to former president bill clinton's money-making ventures. and while the new revelations don't mention secretary clinton, she's facts new questions on the campaign trail tonight. plus, donald trump's at real risk of losing a deep red state, the republicans haven't lost since 1964, utah. that's because independent candidate evan mcmullen is making a strong push in a state where he has roots, and he's with us tonight. and new fears tonight that election day won't be the end of the partisan rancor in this country, but a new beginning of it. there's been plenty of talk among trump supporters of revolution. who knows that means or what it can start if he loses. and there's new polling that shows fears of that might come true. finally, my election diary. tonight, october 27th. this is "hardball," the place for politics.

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new battleground state polls. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. let's start in georgia. a new quinnipiac poll shows hillary clinton and donald trump neck and neck there. it's trump, 44, clinton, 43. a one-point race. the poll had trump up last month by 7. next to iowa. clinton, 44, trump, 44. trump lead by 7 in the quinnipiac poll last month there. north carolina, quinnipiac poll shows clinton with a 4-point lead, that's down. clinton's lead was 3 a month ago. other polls have showed her way ahead in north carolina. next to pennsylvania, where a "new york times" siena poll shows clinton with a 7-point lead over trump. the real clear politics average lead is up by five. i think clinton's going to win pennsylvania. finally, to new hampshire, a new poll from wbz has clinton up by 5.

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thank you all very much. welcome back to "hardball." a memo, which was stolen from the e-mails of clinton campaign chairman, john podesta, and made public by wikileaks yesterday, raises new questions about the convoluted relationship between the clinton's charities and their personal business. it's the latest in the ongoing release of illegally hacked e-mails, which u.s. intelligence agencies say was perpetrated by the russian government. the memo in question was allegedly sent by doug band, former aid to bill clinton, and a key figure behind the clinton foundation's fund-raising, which now runs a consulting firm called teneo. it appears to show that while band raised money from his clients for the clinton foundation, he would simultaneously press those same donors to offer business opportunities to bill clinton. according to the memo he wrote, quote, independent of our

fund-raising and decision making activities of behalf of the foundation, we have dedicated ourselves to helping the president secure and engage in for-profit activities fwhkding speeches, books, and advisory surface engagements. doug band referred to his efforts as, quote, this is bill clinton inc., and he said the network of deals he secured if they renand place would pay the former president $66 million over nine years. these an e-mail made public shows band complaining about chelsea. quote, this is band talking, she's acted like a spoiled brat kid who has nothing else to do but create issues. well, clinton and band eventually parted way and the e-mails show that stricter guidelines were enacted to separate personal business involving the former president from his foundation.

it should also be noted at the time, clinton and doug band were private citizens. the memo does not mention secretary clinton by name nor do the hacked e-mails show that she traded any favors as secretary of state. well, the e-mails have not been independently authenticated by abc news, and the clinton campaign has offered no authentication, either. i'm joined now by beth fouhy, along with howard fineman with the "huffington post" and an msnbc political analyst. beth, let's try to figure this out. if we say it's not illegal, but there's an interesting packaging going on. if you want tom hanks, you have to take these other two people. you want the director, you've got to -- in the case of doug band, it seems like if you want to get involved with the clinton global initiative, okay, the clinton foundation, can you get some speeches for the former president. by the way, can we borrow the airplane? i don't know how it works, but this is how it looks in these e-mails. >> bill clinton at the time was this incredibly popular ex-pet. everybody wanted him. we all know how charismatic he is. but apparently he knows nothing

about managing money or managing his own time. he trusted doug band to do that work for him. so doug band, ingeniously, one might say, figured out how to make himself rich and enrich the clinton foundation, all at once. >> so when people want to be grabbed for a generation contribution, the clinton foundation, why should they be grabbed to give him a speech, when he asked for a big chunk of money? why are they all of a sudden -- >> they probably wanted him. that's the crazy part. >> so you see nothing wrong with this? >> it sounds like you're saying -- >> look, it's not for me to judge. it's what the clintons do. >> it is for you to judge! >> they tend to run right up to the edge of what's legal and that's, that's the problem that their critics have with them. >> if you spend your life hitting the chalk line in tennis, bring the contributors back into the white house in the '90s. at some point, you're going to look crooked to somebody. >> but this is important, chris. he is not the candidate.

hillary clinton is the candidate. >> well, she -- >> the last sort of dustup around this appeared when she had visited -- >> so she's clean? i'm just asking? is she clean? >> again, not for me to judge. and it is for you to judge. >> she did not meet with people from the clinton foundation simply because they were donors. like bill gates and melinda gates. these are people who legitimately had business before the secretary of state and they were also contributors. >> so how do you read, before i go to howard, how do you read this whole thing? this debate between -- on one side, you've got john podesta and chelsea clinton challenging the way things are being done and on the other side defending them. that seems to be the way it's going, beth. >> well, you know, chelsea clinton, you know, looks like kind of the hero here. looks like the person who is stepping in there, making sure her father's name isn't being taken advantage of by somebody who means well, but -- >> she says he was hustling.

>> she does seem to guest that. she steps in to make sure that was not how things were going to continue. and sure enough, doug band left shortly after those memos were released. >> howard, how do you read this? the one thing great about lifting up this rock is you see the bug life under the rock. and you see about all this stuff that never gets out publicly, i guess, with thanks to the russkis and wikileaks, we now get a view we normally don't get of politicians in action. >> chris, i've been covering the clintons since they were in little rock. and when bill clinton was governor of arkansas, and through all of his presidential campaigns and hillary's entire career, their whole life is built on the combination of public office and money. and the clintons didn't have any money. they didn't start out with any money. they're not like the bush family or some other people -- >> or the trump family. >> right, or the trump family. and they're down there in little rock, and they want to play on the national stage, and it

quickly becomes apparent to them that they've got to get in on the money action. not so much, i think, because they're people, they want to be around the money, in order to play in the ball game of politics in the way it exists. >> why did hillary clinton demand $250,000 to give an hour-long speech. the same speech she gives over and over again. that's not about campaigning. >> it's not about campaigning, but it's about -- maybe i'm being too generous here, but they spent their whole lives trying to get contributions from rich people. they've immersed themselves in that, going back to renaissance weekend and that networking by the sea back in the '80s and '90s. the big donors, the soft money donors. these are the people they spent their lives around, they want to be like those people. they want to be like those people. because it's demeaning to have to do that all the time. they going to be on that level, get the cash for themselves.

more important, they're going to get the cash for campaign contributions, for pac contributions, for the foundation that makes the clintons feel good, like they're doing good in the world. it's like a continuously moving car sell of access and money. none of it specifically illegal, but if you look at the totality of it, it looks like they've spent their whole lives searching for cash, and using power to get it, to get more money, to get more power. to get more money. and they have not said they're going to shut down the clinton foundation the hillary becomes president. what they've said is, they will no longer take any foreign donations. and by the way, chelsea clinton wasn't complaining that bill clinton -- about bill clinton looking bad, forgetting cash for speeches. she was complaining that doug band was using the foundation to get money for himself. >> yeah. >> it was not some principled objection to protect her dad

from looking bad. they wanted as much money as they could get. i mean, two days after she was declaring her candidacy in iowa, hillary clinton wanted to gives a speech to jpmorgan. until they told her, you can't do it. >> you know what i think? i'm going to be more judgmental than beth who's a straight reporter. i'll make a judgment. every time i've watched a politician engage in a certain pattern of behavior before they go to the white house, they continue to engage in that pattern afterwards. people don't change because we swear them into the white house. they become that person big-time. and the clintons were raising money like this hand over happen hand -- hand over fist using a motel 6. they were pulling them in by train loads of contributors and letting them sit in the lincoln bedroom for a while and chanrgig them by the hour. you can still vote for hillary clinton, but remember, you're getting this as part of the package, because that's, their pattern. beth fouhy, thank you. you're so nice to these people.

up next, the conservative candidate hoping to keep donald trump from winning deep red utah, evan mcmullen. he's running for president in utah. is he running anywhere else? this is "hardball," the place for politics.

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there's only two names on that ballot that have a chance to be president of the united states of america. and while i'll always respect the right of any man or woman to cast their vote in the manner that may seem best. a vote for any candidate other than donald trump, bottom line, is a vote to make hillary clinton the 45th president of the united states. it's a hard truth. so it's time to come home. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was donald trump's running mate, of course, mike pence, campaigning in the deep red state of utah, with less than two weeks to go until the election. he pleaded with pence to come home and support the gop ticket out of concern that utah might not be as safe as it used to be for the party. utah hasn't supported a democrat for president since 1964, when they went for johnson over goldwater. but because of the entrance of independent candidate, evan mcmullen, the state's suddenly in play. the latest poll shows a three-way race out there, among trump, mcmullen, and hillary clinton. one poll has trump up three

points. another has him up two points. but a third poll shows mcmullen leading trump by four. anyway, mcmullen responded to pence and twitter after the indiana governor called on utah supporters not to support his independent bid. mcmullen tweeted, a vote for spence a vote for trump, and a vote for trump is a vote for religious bigotry, misogyny, and the expanse of government. a former officer with the central intelligence agency, he joins me now. evan, what do you think of -- if someone votes for you and you carry the electoral votes of utah, what does that do to the race for president come election night itself? what does that do? >> well, if you believe the polls, and i do believe the polls, hillary clinton has a massive lead in most electoral college projections. and so, what happens here in utah is not likely -- >> stays in utah? >> what's that? >> it stays in utah? >> well, for now, it does. but we're building a new

conservative movement, because we think that's what's required. you know, mike pence said the voters should come home to donald trump, which i think is ridiculous. because conservative voters are -- can never be at home with donald trump. donald trump has invited vladimir putin into influence our elections and undermine our elections and our democratic institutions. he's attacked people for their race and religion and their gender. this is not what real conservatives stand for. and it's not what principled conservatives in the mountain west and in utah stand for. so there's no going home to donald trump for true conservatives. >> what other state do you have a decent chance in winning? you've got a good shot in utah. we've looked at the numbers there, those electoral votes. where else can you win besides utah? >> our best chances are in the mountain west -- >> name the other state besides utah you can win? >> idaho -- >> you believe you can win idaho? >> we can. but look, chris, we've been transparent about this whole thing, the whole way through. i'm an independent candidate. i don't have the support of a

party. we have a strong message and we're running on that. we have limited resources, so we have to choose very wisely about where we spend them and our time. and the reality is, we knew we would need to do that and focused on the mountain west, because that's where hillary clinton and donald trump were rejected. and we've gotten a lot of traction here in utah. i was born here -- >> i know you've got to roots out there. let me ask you about why lds people who are members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints, why they would like -- why wouldn't they like a guy of trump's lifestyle? what is it about his personal behavior that turns off mormon people? generally speaking? what is it? >> well, look, i'll say that mormon people -- and i can't speak for all of them -- >> just the ones you've talked to. >> i think a lot of people, not just mormons, cals, hindus, jews, a lot of people expect their leaders to be decent

people. to care about americans and defend americans and not attack them. these are the kinds of qualities they're looking for in our leaders, both here in the mountain west and across the country. i think donald trump's indecency and the way he treats people, the way he attacks people of different faiths, and, you know, based on their gender or skin color, it just doesn't sit well with people out here. and they know that our leaders need to be uniting and respectful of americans. >> not to be turned off by donald trump and disavowing the republican nominee, utah republican congressman, jason chaffetz is now back onboard with trump. he tweeted just yesterday, i will not defend or endorse donald trump, but i am voting for him. hrc is that bad. hrc is bad for the u.s. -- what'd you think of that statement by a congressman who's been around a bit out there, who's now going to vote for trump? >> well, i'm really disappointed in jason's decision to do that. just a couple of weeks ago, he was saying that he couldn't look his daughter in the eye if he supported donald trump. and here he is, just two weeks later -- >> how about orrin hatch?

how about orrin hatch? isn't he going to be for trump? >> orrin hatch has been for trump, and unfortunately, he's urged utahns to, quote, do the right thing and support donald trump. >> how about mike lee? the other senator? >> well, i don't know about mike lee. i think he's taken a stand in some way against trump. >> he has? >> well, he has. he was at the convention. but this is the thing. our leaders need to take a stand for what has made this country special, which is that all men and women are created equal. that's true for all humans. but it's enshrined in our founding documents, that we all have unailenable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of hap happiness. it's not enough to say i oppose this or that candidate or idea. true leadership is standing up and saying what you're for and fighting for that thing. >> you know, that's nicely put.

you know what i think's going on? i believe that the lds community in your state is appalled by trump's public behavior. >> sure. >> no, uniquely apalled. it's the bragging. it's the egotism. all of that stuff, about trump. i look at the guy and i say, i work with mormons out there. my wife has worked with mormons. we really get along and like the people. one thing we notice about them is modesty and humility. this guy, trump, is not your guy in salt lake valley. >> no, he's not. >> i think that's what's going on, why you have a unique chance to upset the electoral college and win the electoral votes of utah. i think that's why you have a good chance. you agree or not? zw >> i hope so. we're fighting hard for that and humbled by the support we've received so far. >> thank you for coming on. you're making a big statement out there. up next, we've been hearing from trump supporters who have been calling for, this is a weird word.

revolution in hillary clinton wins. now new polling shows that americans really worried about the threat of just that. maybe some violence. that's ahead with the roundtable. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. try break your will. howeveran cheese ffs may fly. you're the der thonin ntrol. stand firm. wait [click] and move only when you hear the click

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so when you hear folks talking about a global conspiracy and saying that this election is rigged, understand that they are trying to get you to stay home. they are trying to convince you that your vote doesn't matter. >> that was -- the first lady is just incredible out there on the stump. that was her, of course, smacking back, or swatting back donald trump's talk of rigged elections, but with a little less than two weeks to go, it seems like some voters aren't listening to her, the first"the that some of donald trump's supporters are warning of a revolution. i sound like bernie sanders. if hillary clinton wins. "the new york times" reports that some worry that they will be forgotten along with their concerns and frustrations. the others believe that the

nation might be headed for violent conflict. a new "usa today" sufficient to folk university poll shows that 51% of voters are concerned there may be violence after the election. 68% say that they're worried that the election results will be manipulated. i'm joined by jamal smith, genie zaino and nick confessore of "the new york times." all right, let's run through this thing. is there damage or danger in people yelling out these revolutionary statements? >> oh, my goodness with, yes. first of all, it's not like bernie sanders' revolution. this is bernie sanders' revolution with guns. with peoplehreatening actual violence, saying, we've got to take her out. all this kind of rhetoric we've seen is absolutely dangerous and could actually, you know, not arise passions in the wrong person. >> is he responsible? >> yeah, he's responsible. he's encouraged all of it and

he's done nothing to stop it. he's responsible. >> janine? >> i would go a little further. i think the republican party has to tack responsibility here. and the democrats, as well, for losing sight of what's going on in their base. you know, there never would have been a donald trump if the republican party had listened to its base much earlier on. say, go back to george w. bush's time with the birth of the tea party movement, then they were incredibly frustrated that they elected a president who did anything but what he promised to do. lower the deficits, they got raised. get us out of foreign entangleme entanglements. we got into them. and you can go through the list. so you lose sight of your base on the republican side. i would venture to say the same thing has happened on the democratic side. certainly, that doesn't arise to issues of anger and violence in that regard, but i think there's a certain amount of responsibility to bear on party leaders, who haven't been listening to their base and responding to it. >> i've been giving that speech for a while now. thank you, i agree completely with what you said. >> i think people are so torqued up and it's really worrisome. i think on election day, there's a real danger of violence at

ballot boxes, in shopping malls, at gas stations. we've already seen -- >> do you think -- >> i'm just saying -- >> gun play? >> anger? >> we'll see. i hope nothing. but we have seen scattered violence at trump rallies, from supporters, and opponents -- >> fistfights? >> fistfights. we've seen people at gas stations getting into fights. it's pretty ugly. >> here's a weird thing that could happen. suppose you live in scranton wilkes-barre. huge support for trump. if you live in philadelphia, everybody you know is for hillary clinton. so you're going to come out at an election booth and think, everybody in this room has a trump hat, so trump's going to win. then you think, there's got to be cheating on. how is it that everybody i know is voting for trump. they say, it must have been stolen, because everybody in scranton voted for him. >> but i don't have a whole lot

of sympathy for those folks, the same thing may have been true in '08 and 2012 when barack obama won the election, a lot of those people probably voted for john mccain and mitt romney. at the end of the day, we have to face what's going on here, white supremacy dies hard. this is what the campaign has been pushing. it's been pushing white nationalism. >> give me the words. >> as far as words, what, what do you mean? >> how did they say white supremacy? >> i think they've been selling nationalism. >> but what i'm saying, is policies that undergird white supremacy. so white supremacy is a concept -- >> like what? >> like, for instance, talking all this stuff about blacks -- and black lives matter and police wanting basically to give police wanton powers that they can just do anything with. >> and trump's done that? >> national stop and frisk. that is white supremacy. >> and trump's wished that? >> oh, yes. >> but i do think there's another part of this. i agree that the rhetoric has been horrible. but you know, you have to go deeper than that. you have to look at levels of unemployment in some of these

communities, where these messages are selling. you have to look at, i'm sorry, that the responsibility that the president bears for his inability to address some of the really key issues that are fueling some of this. i agree with you, the rhetoric is horrible. but you also have to look at what is fueling this. people have a changing america, which is changing before them, and they haven't been able to address to those changes -- >> well, what's fueling it is a nominee who is telling his supporters that things are rigged that aren't rigged. >> at a rally in toledo, donald trump suggested canceling the whole election. maybe it's making your point. let's watch. >> hillary clinton wants to raise taxes on small businesses, up to 45%. what a difference. you know, what a difference this is. and just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to trump, right? what are we even -- what are we

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[ ruli ] we are back with the "hardball" roundtable. nick, tell me something i don't know, nick confesorre of "the new york times." >> donald trump once promised he'd spend $100 million of his own money on this campaign. this morning he was $44 million short of that amount. we'll find out tonight how short he really is.

>> that's why he hates "the new york times," they pay attention. >> we're talking about election vulnerability, hacking, the best way to guard against hacking, have a paper backup of your vote. 80 will have that. 20% of those won't. some of those 20% are in pennsylvania and virginia. >> when we walk out we have a piece of paper that -- >> there's a piece of paper that remains there, 80% it's a backup if the results look questionable. >> you don't want anybody walking away with saying how they voted. there will be a committeeman or ward member checking you. >> don't take a picture like justin timberlake. >> police in north dakota advanced on a group of protesters protesting the dakota access oil pipeline, supposed to advance through what was once standing rock sioux land. the folks are trying to reclaim the land that's been stolen from them generations ago from the u.s. government. jesse jackson called it the ripest case of environmental racism he's seen in a long time. >> thank you, jamil, thank you,

jeanne, thank you, nick. >> breaking news, i'm getting word the pens plane has slid off the runway at lagarde yaguardia. we'll be talking to governor pence tomorrow. everything is fine. when we return, my election diary for october 27th. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >> this is where the race will be won or lost. changes toakthings rhtht first, all customersrse beenmpacd will be fully refued seco, we'll proactely ndyou cony w checking, savings, or creditr. thir we've elid prodt sas al

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teachers, firefighters and nurss support prop 51. prop 51 repairs older schools and removes dangerous lead paint and pipes ensuring classrooms are safe for all students. for safe schools vote yes on 51. october 27th. whatever you think of donald trump, i mean, whatever you think of donald trump, you have to wonder, why isn't he doing it? why isn't he running for

president? why isn't he spending every hour asking the voters again and again do you like way things are? the way they've been headed in this country? do you like the continued destruction of our manufacturing base, the jobs that went with it? do you like the uncontrolled illegal immigration? do you like the string of stupid wars from iraq, selibya, syria? if you want to keep all this way it is, vote for hillary clinton. if you don't like the way things have been headed, shake the system to the roots. if you wake up the day after the election, the same it is today, four, five, eight years from now, remember you had a chance to change it but you were too dainty to do it. if trump were to win the election, those would be the reasons listed at the top of the newspaper the day afterwards. why doesn't he say now what would win him the election? why doesn't he fight and create stupid headlines with megyn kelly and dana bash? he seems to devote day after day to fighting fights that make people forget the reasons he started running for president, reasons that continue to carry the shrinking chance he has to

win this thing. i say this not because i want trump to win, but because i can't stand politics being practiced so pathetically. we have been looking at live pictures, by the way, from lagarde yl laguardia airport of mike pence's plane, slid off the runway this evening. there were no injuries. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for fbeing with us. "all in with chris hayes "can starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> is there anyone more inspiring than michelle obama? >> north carolina roars for hillary and michelle. >> she is absolutely ready to be commander in chief on day one, and, yes, she happens to be a woman. >> tonight, the unprecedented scene as the first lady lights up the campaign trail for clinton. plus, the new "bloomberg" report on the trump campaign's, "voter suppression operations."