going with this. in both '68 and 2000, the party in power found itself the party out of power on the inauguration day. vice president hubert humphrey lost a squeaker to nixon in '98 and al gore lost the ultimate squeaker in 2000 even as he won the popular vote. good economic numbers certainly he, but as you know, in a character election sometimes, they're no guarantee for victory. that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back sunday with special election coverage, "meet the press" in the morning, and a special "mtp daily" at 5:00 p.m. eastern. but "with all due respect" will start right now. >> i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to all of you people out there who say this election can't end soon enough, are you not entertained?! that was a gladiator joke.

on our tgif menu tonight, some juicy fbi updates, a george lopez deep dish, a buffet of other news, but first, a hand-picked, free-range cut of the sights and sounds of this busy day on the campaign trail. >> what's up, pittsburgh? >> i am very happy to be in the home of the steelers. >> in four days, we're going to win the great state of new hampshire. >> four days left. four days left. and the stakes, this is not hyperbole, the stakes could not be higher. >> are we going to build a stronger, fairer, better america? or are we going to fear each other and the future? >> hillary clinton is the candidate of yesterday. we, you, you, we are the movement of the future. >> understood the stakes here. my name is not on the ballot. but everything we've worked for

is on the ballot. justice is on the ballot. equality is on the ballot. jobs are on the ballot. health care is on the ballot. criminal justice reform is on the ballot. democracy's on the ballot! i need you to vote! >> the snapshot of public polling out today, for the most part, was rife with good news. yesterday was rife with good news. republican nominee donald trump, but today's batch, which is what we're focused on, has a little bit more favorable news for hillary clinton. the daily tracking poll by abc news and "the washington post" has clinton up three points among likely voters in a two-way race. that's 49-46%. that is, of course, still within the survey's margin of error. but clinton's lead is one point higher than it was yesterday and two points higher than it was the day before that. most of the state polls today look positive for the democratic nominee, as well. roanoke, college, has her up seven points in virginia.

a magellan poll of colorado voters has clinton up 6 in the rocky mountain state, and there's another poll from georgia that for the second day in a row, shows clinton within striking distance in that parenly red state. ton donald trump's highlight list, a third new hampshire poll in two days shows a tied race in the granite state, that's a state clinton considered in her column not very long ago. and trump still leads in iowa, this time by three points. a state his team has felt pretty confident about for some time. so, mark, as we go into the weekend, this final weekend before election day, where does the race stand? >> fundamentals are the same. structurally, in terms of the public data, hillary clinton is ahead. and she's ahead in a way where we can see many paths for her to get to 270. and very few for donald trump, if any, to get to 270. i will say the following things. i was at trump tower today doing some shooting for "the circus," our showtime show sunday night. i've never seen people this loose at the end of a campaign.

maybe it's an act, but they're very loose, and they say, well, we'll probably win. we think we're going to win. the clinton people all say to me, 100%, we're going to win. they seem a little tight. maybe it's because they're the front-runner and their lead has gone away. but i'll say one more thing. today's data and even the data from yesterday, mixed about each state, perhaps, still advantage clinton, structurally, it's just overwhelming, still. >> let's be clear, the trump campaign says it's going to win, regardless of what they actually believe, because what else are they going to say? they're going to say they're going to win. they've got to keep their candidate confident. he might fire somebody -- >> they want -- and you don't just undercut your candidate, if you think there's any chance of winning. the clinton campaign has suffered through a barrage of bad publicity. they're coming off the last-minute -- the last, maybe, maybe the last big surprise, the comey letter. they've had a tough time. and they've been trying to gauge how much damage that and the fallout from that has done.

i think, now, the poll s have started to stabilize in a way, they're still going to be nervous. but in the end, something we've discussed on the show before, the psychology in brooklyn is different. they spend all their time with democrats who are telling them every day, if you lose to donald trump, it means the end of the world. and the trump campaign doesn't have that same psychology. he'll always be loser. >> michigan was constant, colorado, whatever. it's the path to exactly 270 that we talked about, that is most likely for trump. if he can win ohio, where he's ahead, and iowa, where he's ahead, he's got to win the other big three. florida, north carolina, tough! north carolina, very tough. he's got to win nevada. then he still has to win new hampshire. but now new hampshire and maine, those are plausible now. they're plausible. >> yes, but look, just to go to the clinton campaign, they did a conference call today where they talked about early vote. and they look at the early vote numbers in florida, and look at the early vote numbers in north carolina, and they say, we're on track to win those states. and if they win either one of them, no trump presidency.

unless he somehow wins michigan. >> i agree. the big five is the big five for a reason. all right. excuse me. that is the current state of the race. now let's take a look at the end game. there are just four news cycles left until america pix its next president. between now and then, hillary clinton and donald trump are going to crisscross america, landing in as many states as they can. there are probably going to be a few states added to this list before the final events, but here is what we know so far about their schedules. tomorrow, saturday, clinton and trump are going to be in florida. trump also goes to north carolina, nevada, or nevada, and colorado. >> nevada! nevada! >> on sunday, trump makes midwestern stops in iowa and wisconsin. and on monday, clinton as her big event with the bombau obama double date in north carolina. again, expect more states to be added. tonight vp side, both campaigns are deploying an army of surrogates in the next 72 hours. joe biden, bernie sanders, bill clinton, and the obamas are all

making a final plea. unless tim kaine and mike pence. trump's kids, rick perry, rudy giuliani, sarah palin, and others are doing the same for the gop standard-bearer. so john, taking these scheduling moves in their totality, what does that tell you about the state of the race? >> i want to say one thing, because i know we've going back and forth about nevada/nevada. they're starting to mess with you now. they're writing it in there to try to screw with you. it's nevada, but they're messing with you. our staff is messing with you. it's not fair. guys, stop doing that to mark. the trump campaign is going around. they know they have to figure out a way to widen out the map somehow. so he's going to have a broader travel schedule over these last 72 hours. the clinton campaign, it's striking how much they are just hammering away at some of the states we were just talking about before. that they know that if they win one of them, she's going to spend a lot of time in florida. she's going to spend a lot of time in north carolina. and they're doing a lot in pennsylvania, because that's the one where they feel like they have -- it was long-thought-of as the blue tissue state, the

blue state that trump might be able to add, that if they win that one, and one of these other ones, it pretty much shuts down the race. so they're like laser-focused on a few states this weekend, and the trump campaign is still looking for a wild card somewhere. >> if trump wins pennsylvania, he's almost certainly going to win. >> right, right! >> they've got to stop him. >> sure. >> to me, the two states i'm most interested in are north carolina and new hampshire. new hampshire's got the kind of voters that trump hasn't been doing particularly well with, upscale suburban voters. and north carolina, same thing. well-educated voters. if trump can win in those two states somehow, and again, the polling suggests he could win both those states, although the democrats say north carolina's solid, we're looking at a different map on tuesday. >> well, yeah, that's -- obviously, there's still the big five dynamics we're talking about. i'll tell you what else is interesting, as you think about the mooucvements of these guys,e fact that hillary clinton is done now with the west. she's not going to be anywhere near colorado. she's not going to be anywhere near nevada. >> helps a lot. >> because they believe that

those states -- forget the polling. that they believe that those states are still locked down. and they don't have to go out west. she can live on the east coast, which makes her life a lot easier, in terms of covering ground over these last few days. >> and there'seen a lot of talk about -- i know the bell rang. there's been a lot of talk about the candidates' health. they're older candidates. this is physically a tough period. hats off to them for having such a tough -- >> she's going to live on eastern time and that's easy to do. if there's tension between the fbi and hillary clinton's campaign have been, from the center, ever since director james comey sent his letter to congress last week. now a report by "the guardian" is describing an agency with widespread internal dislike for clinton. one current agent went so far as to call the bureau trumplandia and suggested that those supporting the republican nominee were responsible for the leaks that have come out of the fbi in recent days. apparently, they are not just talking to the press. two days before comey sent his letter to congress, former new york mayor and trump surrogate rudy giuliani went on fox news and made this cryptic

prediction. >> i think he's got a surprise or two you're going to hear about in the next few days. i'm talking about some pretty big surprise. >> i heard you say that this morning. what do you mean? >> you'll see. >> so that was two days before comey's letter. now, today, giuliani was back on fox news, and he was asked by the host there what he knew and when he knew it. >> i'm real careful not to talk to any on-duty active fbi agents. i don't want to put them in a compromising position, but i sure have a lot of friends who are retired fbi agents, close, personal friends. this has been going on since july, since the day comey did this. what i heard were former fbi agents telling me that there's a revolution going on inside the fbi and it's now at a boiling point. >> so you had a general idea that something was coming? >> i had expected this for the last -- honestly, to tell you the truth, i thought it was going to be about three or four weeks ago. >> today, democratic congressman elijah cummings and john conyers called on the inspector general

to investigate the fbi leaks, referencing rudy giuliani's comments. and speaking of fox, the network's anchor, bret baer, apologized today for reporting earlier this week that there was, quote, a likely indictment looming in the fbi probe of the clinton foundation for hillary clinton. so, mark, this fbi issaga continues. what impact do you think the fbi business will have on the final days of this race? >> you know, people are started to speculate about implications if hillary clinton wins. i think she'll have to repair any relationship with the fbi, if she can, with comey. a lot of fbi agents have never liked the clintons. i think that, you know, the trump people are right about one thing. the media, the news flow, is still filled with stuff, at a minimum, to energize the right, about wikileaks want the comey investigation, et cetera. and so, i think at a minimum, it gives republicans still all the way through tuesday now, it's clear, because there's nothing bigger in the earned media, something to talk about. >> i want to say, we say last

friday, we both agreed, it was inappropriate for james comey to issue this letter, just as it was inappropriate for him to hold that big media availability back in july, when he decided not to press any charges against hillary clinton or to indict her. this -- what's happened in the last week of the fbi, the stories about these leaks, the stories about trumplandia, the fact that rudy giuliani apparently got tipped off by somebody, whether a former agent or a current one, this is destroying the credibility of the fbi. to have the fbi in the middle of a presidential election, in a political way, where many americans are coming to the conclusion that the fbi, again, at least some faction of the fbi has its thumb on the scale this close to an election day is a huge ongoing problem for this ency, and james comey, whether he's personally responsible for certain things, but he's also let this agency get out of control in a way that is really damaging to a really important american institution. >> yeah, and to the election. >> well, yes. >> comey set it off, it's a horrible thing. i wish he could fix it. he can't. up next, we'll take a spin through some more of today's

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remember last month, october, when it felt like everybody friday gave us a salacious, shocking, you can't make this up, newsy surprise. there was the "access hollywood" video, wikileaks e-mails, and last week, james comey's letter to congress about the fbi's looking at hillary clinton. it's november now, which means for whatever reasons, we've been spared the pre-weekend megawhiplash, but there were some smaller stories out there today that could impact the final few days of the race. let's start with a verdict in the bridgegate trial in new jersey. two former officials with ties to the garden state governor, chris christie, were found guilty today of conspiracy and fraud among other charges, related to that 2013 george washington bridge lane closure. testimony at the trial suggested that christie, who was running donald trump's transition team, knew about the move, which was considered political retribution for not endorsing his

re-election campaign. today, the governor put out a statement saying the allegations from the trial were not true. he had no knowledge of or role in authorizing the lane closure. christie said, i'll set the record straight in the coming days regarding the lies that were told by the media and in the courtroom. as of yesterday, christie was supposed to be stumping this weekend, for donald trump, in both new hampshire and pennsylvania over the weekend. this afternoon, on the clinton campaign press plane, chairman of the campaign, john podesta, was eager to try to tie today's verdict to the republican presidential nominee, telling reporters on the plane, quote, rather than just crisscrossing the country and hopscotching, talking about cleaning up the swamp he, trump, might start by draining his own swamp and ask fl christie to resign as head of his transition. so, john, will the verdicts in bridgegate play a role here in the last days of the presidential campaign? >> we'll see if christie comes out. he's obviously -- he's not done very much as a surrogate for trump of late.

when he is out, he's obviously one of the more effective surrogates that trufr has. but again, just to go back to the more core thing about this. i think this bridgegate thing and how it's all played out is is a huge -- we're talking about undermining comey and undermining the fbi's credibility. christie is damaged goods by all of this. he's not going to be able to put this to rest. if trump wins, the guy who's running the transition is the guy who really this has inflicted really significant political damage on his ability to be a credible person doing that, let alone be the attorney general in a trump administration. >> has implications later. >> not so much this weekend, but down the road. >> and i don't think christie would have been that strong a surrogate over the weekend. he's been off the trail. this is something people have been watching all year for its impact. i think in the end, impacts in new jersey, not a big deal for governor christie or for donald trump right now today, between now and tuesday. >> most of the impact of that has already been felt in chris christ christie's life. today we got the final labor department jobs report before election day.

the u.s. economy added 161,000 new jobs in october. like past months, that is decent growth, but fewer than the month before. the unemployment rate, though, fell slightly to 4.9%. that's the first time the rate's been under 5 in a long, long while, since back before the financial crisis. at a campaign event in pittsburgh today, hillary clinton said the numbers depict an economy, quote, ready to take off. donald trump, by contrast, dubbed the news proof of, quote, the obama economic disaster. so, mark, what if any role do you think these numbers will play in these final day of the race? >> i mean, the economy, there's plenty of data that hillary clinton and barack obama can talking about. and the president's approval rating is up. so i think this gives democrats a plausible way in these final days to say, stay the course, you may not like the macro direction of the country, but stay the course, things are not

going backwards, they're getting at least incrementally better. >> this is the simplest thing in the world. the unemployment rate, when it's going down and at a milestone of some kind, it's the first time it's been below 5% in a decade, basically, that's good news for the in-party -- the party in power. she's going to say, hey, look the obama thing might be move to go slow, you might be frustrated, there's bigger macro problems, but in the end, we're making slow and steady progress and adding new jobs for the umpteenth month in a row. and it's reflected in barack obama's approval rating. and had the numbers been really bad, it would have been very good for the republicans. >> 100%. >> it's better for the democrats in the negative than in the positive, but better in the positive. final, a friday wikileaks update. no big news here, but the new hacked e-mails that have purported to be from the inbox of hillary clinton's campaign chairman, a aide to bill clinton pushed back against creating

conflict of interest rules at the family's foundation, saying such rules would pose problems for the former president. in another e-mail, clinton campaign communications director jennifer palmieri appears to call james comey, quote, a bad choice to head the fbi. wikileaks was just one of five potential types of hacks that the legendary david sanger of "the new york times" wrote the american public might have to worry about in conjunction with tuesday's elections. the others, he said, include interfering with voter rolls, manipulating the vote tally that gets reported to news organizations, tinkering with voting machines, and a general internet disruption that would keep the public in the dark and potentially away from polling places. john, based on the previous hacks and potential future hacks, where do those stands? not a huge friday surprise, but where do day stand between now and tuesday? >> i think all of the rest of the thing we heard, all the things on that list are just, are basically background noise at this point. we know these last 72 hours, you have to have a big thing to really break through. none of those things qualify.

i think some of the foundation stuff could be a real problem for hillary clinton if she becomes president of the united states and that will linger. this hacking thing, though, as you know, i went down and talked to sanger a couple of weeks ago for t "the circus" and i'm freaking out a little bit about what might happen. there are enough different ways that this election could get messed with on election day, that i'm a little -- i'm feeling a little apprehension about what's going to happen. >> i'm super hopeful that our federal government is all over this. all right, coming up, we have a window into donald trump's latest visit to wisconsin. we'll be right back for that. on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a lg-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in

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left gotham city this week and spent some time on the campaign trail talking to voters that included a tuesday evening rally, donald trump did, in eau claire, wisconsin. the republican nominee making a last-minute appeal there to voters in the blue-leaning badger state. we covered the event in part for our showtime documentary series, produced in cooperation with bloomberg politics, "the circus" airs sunday night at 8:00. here's a bit of that. as the political analyst, willie nelson said, on the road again. we're going to eau claire, wisconsin, and it's part of donald trump's last-minute blue state tour. trump has got to figure out a way to build a coalition, get republicans to come home, and win enough independents and blue collar democrats to win a state

republicans haven't won in a long time. eau claire, like wisconsin, seems to be pretty divided. we've seen protesters at the campaign, but there's large numbers who feel compelled to come out, because emotions are running high, tensions are running high, and this is a state that republicans are trying to put pressure on. the fact that in the last week, you've got trump coming here, means they either think they can win it or it means they've run out of options to try to get 270 electoral votes. >> please give a warm welcome to the next president of the united states of america, donald trump. >> thank you very much. great people. great state. thank you, everybody. something incredible, we are the

bright future. and i say we. we. we. i'm a messenger. i'm only a messenger, remember. i'm only a messenger. but you have to say i'm doing a pretty good job as a messenger. she is the candidate of yesterday. we are the movement of the future. we are. we are. we are just -- listen to this, after all of this time, one week. one week. do you believe it? [ chanting: president trump ] >> thank you, everyone. i will not disappoint you. that i promise. god bless you, everybody. thank you. thank you. >> this event represents all that's going right with the trump campaign right now. trump was confident, sentimental. he's got all these lines out there, change. it's about the voters, not him.

this is the kind of general election candidate a lot of supporters wished he'd been all along. he could still lose, he could still lose badly. but if he keeps this up, he's going to put a lot of pressure on hillary clinton. >> a lot of political bold-faced names. i covered bill clinton. i covered rudy giuliani. you were out with evan mcmullin -- >> and a bunch of strategists. i want to ask you about wisconsin. trump didn't win wisconsin, and there was so much resistance to him among republican establishmentairians. has that much changed? >> that event had not just scott walker, but ron johnson, the incumbent republican senator who had not appeared with trump at all, and did at this event. you can see the whole episode of "the circus" this sunday night on showtime, 8:00 p.m. eastern time. when we come back, we spice things up. the republican party's sean spicer is with us right after bre the break. [burke] hot dog. seen it. covered it.

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joining us now from the republican national committee headquarters in washington, d.c. is rnc communications director, chief strategist, sean spicer. sean, taking a look, here we are on friday before election day, taking a look at all the data, everything you know right now about the race. is donald trump now the favorite or is he still the underdog? >> i think he's still the underdog. but i think everything that we're seeing both nationally and in the states is trending his way. and that's a great place to be, you know, going in the last four days, i would rather have the wind at our back and all the momentum with us, than not. >> sean, tell us what you think the most likely electoral college path is for donald trump right now, besides the romney states minus north carolina. >> so, florida, ohio, iowa, north carolina. i think there. and i think we start to pick off colorado's down to dead even. michigan's dead even. those are my two top, but i think you look right below the surface there in a close, what would that be, third, is virginia, is in the mix.

i think new hampshire and maine, too, i feel really good about. and that's the story of this. which is that the map keeps expanding. and a lot more of these states are within the margin of error. and there's not one, not one that's not trending in our direction. and when you look at where hillary clinton, the democrats are spending their time and their money, they're seeing the same data that we are, guys. they're in colorado, they're in north carolina, they're doubling down in a lot of these places, because i think that they've started to see this map expand. i mean, virginia they pulled out. it's now withins the margin of error. colorado, they pulled out, margin of error. michigan, dead even. new hampshire, dead even. over and over again, these guys got really cocky, pulled out, and donald trump in a message of change is sort of blowing right into these solidly blue states, in most cases, and in every case, states that obama carried twice. >> sean, we've watched trump over the course of the last few days. he's had messages that have ranged from sort of soaringly optimistic by his standards, and

he has typically kind of negative attacks on hillary clinton. what are we going to see from him in the last 72 hours? is it going to be weighted more towards the positive, or is he going to spend most of his time still trying to take hillary clinton out? >> i think it's a majority positive. he's just -- he's going to talk about the opportunity to change washington and the change that he brings and the opportunities to make america great again. but i think he's got to make sure that he continues to let people understand that contrast and doesn't put the foot tonight gas on that aspect of it. >> sean, you and chairman priebus have come under some criticism from some republicans who have said, you shouldn't have been so supportive of donald trump. any regrets on your part or the chairman's part about the role you've played in helping donald trump since the spring? >> no, zero. i'll tell you what, it's not our decision. we've made very clear that this is the voters. donald trump got more votes than any republican seeking this office before. it is not our job, it is not anyone's job in washington to second-guess that.

and i think that's the reality of this. he bested 16 other candidates. he was the choice of millions and millions of republican voters. and that's our job. that is fundamentally the job of the republican national committee, to support people who win the nomination in the republican party and make sure they win. not to second-guess the voters. not to say washington knows better. so we did that and we have the best ground game and data operation that this party, frankly, either party, has seen. and that's what's going to put us to over the top on november 8th. >> sean, last question. you guys are getting some criticism, rudy giuliani is today, for seeming to have been filled in or tipped off about fbi director comey's letter last friday. tell us what you can tell us about that the campaign had some idea that that letter was coming? >> i'm fully unaware that anyone had any knowledge of that. at least from my perspective and from the rnc's perspective, i had no idea it was coming. but again, i think one of the things, john, that's important, is all of the focus on the fbi and director comey. none of this would be happening

if hillary clinton hadn't done what she did. she held a secret server. it was accessed by anthony weiner. none of those actions could have happened if it wasn't for her action in the first place. for her cover-ups, for her repeated lies. nothing would have happened if it wasn't for hillary clinton's actions, over and over again, doing the thing that she did to mislead the american people and cover things up. >> all right. if we had more time, we'd spend a lot more time on this shaissu and maybe we will before election day, but sean, thank you for doing the show. let's bring in bill burton, who joins us from los angeles. bill, i'm going to start with you, the question i just ended up with sean. as you look at the interchange, rudy giuliani predicting the comey letter, predicting a big thing about to happen, the comey letter coming out, and then going on television and seeming to suggest that he's talking to a lot of former fbi agent who is tipped him off about the fact that that letter was forthcoming. what do you make of that and how

problematic do you think it is? >> look, i think these issues overall are already baked into the equation. if you love hillary clinton, you don't think it's a big deal. well, you think it's a big deal that rudy giuliani got tipped off, probably. if you like donald trump, you don't care that he got tipped off, but you think the e-mails are a big deal. i think none of this is going to move the needle at all. from a criminal standpoint, i think rudy giuliani probably has a problem or the fbi agents who are leaking him information probably have a problem that's going to be dealt with in due course. but from a political standpoint, i don't think this moves one voter one way or the other. >> if hillary clinton wins, do you think she'll have a problem with her relationship with the director who is staying on to finish out his term? >> it seems like it would be pretty awkward to be in the room for their first meeting. i mean, he clearly stumbled his way through this. he has not acquitted himself well in the political sense, which is a big part of the job of the fbi director, which is to

be able to navigate that. >> should she ask him to submit his resignation if she wins? >> you know, i'm not going to second-guess what hillary clinton wants to do in terms of her fbi director, should she become president. but i certainly don't think that he has the confidence of the american people anymore, considering how he's acted throughout this. >> so should president obama call for his resignation? >> again, i'm not there. i don't know what president obama knows. i know that people have very little confidence in his ability to navigate politics. but in terms of whether or not he should lose his job, that's for other to decide. >> so, we're looking at a lot of data right now from the early vote. and i hear democrats on every side of this issue, forget about the clinton campaign, some democrats looking at the early vote numbers and say, we're performing really well, gives us a lot of confidence about places like florida, north carolina, nevada. other democrats freaking out over the fact that she seems to not be performing strongly enough with some core democratic constituents. so when you look at it, where are you? >> look, there's a lot of ways to slice this.

i think if you look at the aggregate poll numbers, look at the early voting data, it certainly suggests that certain states are just out of reach for donald trump at this point. and if you believe that nevada is out of reach for donald trump, this race is essentially over. so every single day that's gone by, i've gotten more and more confident. that said, i've also gotten more and more nauseous about the prospect of donald trump potentially becoming president of the united states. but i think that the numbers and logic suggest that hillary clinton is going to be just fine on tuesday night and the race will get called early in the night. that's my prediction. >> bill, if nothing else for the next three days, make sure you pack in some pepto bismol. thank you for being on the show with us. my interview with entertainer and comedian george lopez is next. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen to us on the radio radio at bloomberg 99.1 f.m. and we'll be right back.

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angeles. and he started out by telling me that it wasn't just the media who had failed to seek him out in 2016. >> you know, it's interesting, in 2008, barack obama specifically, you know, reached out, personally reached out and called me and asked me -- he didn't know where i was politically, what my motives, my interests were. and he said, listen, if you don't mind, i would appreciate it if you would help me secure the latino base and the latino vote. '12, he came back and did the same thing. i haven't heard from the clinton campaign. and i'm a powerful voice. my social media platform is high. you know, people respect my opinion when i'm political. some people don't agree with it, particularly this election, but it's definitely a voice that isn't as loud as it was in '08 and '12. >> yeah. i'm going to read to you a few things here that donald trump has either said or done that has some relationship to mexicans or

mexico american americans. i'll read them to you all real quick. this to me is trump's campaign and the relationship with the hispanic location. he started out saying they were rapists. kicked jorge lopez out of a news conference. he could judge curiel couldn't do his job because he was mexican,ve though he was from indiana. he tweeted a comment about jeb bush, who said, jeb bush had to like illegals because of his wife. and in the last debate, he talked about bad hombres. so hearing all of that and watching donald trump's rise to become the republican knee, what did you think all of that played out. >> from the get-go, from the elevator down to the mexicans are criminals and rapists, which i put in my act, "and i'm sure some of them are good people." the wall, as if we had never heard of the internet or an airplane or, you know, or

tunnels that almost collapse the ground. but, you know, i'm not in favor of open borders. and i'm not in favor of demonizing tan ethnic group. and it has been all of that. and you're right, we don't have the voice that comes out that says, this can't be done. this isn't right. nobody risks -- even a politician wouldn't risk their base for us. you know, so if we don't risk our own future on ourselves, then, you know, then i don't think that keconomically we hav a lot of power. but cohesively, we're lagging way behind. and if it doesn't show up in this election because of everything you just read, then we've really got big problems. >> do you think if you -- again, if you think about all those things that trump has said or done, is it you, for a lot of people, they just think, he's a racist. is donald trump a racist, do you think, or no?

>> no, i think he's a guy who has had a life of privilege. he's never had to answer anything. if somebody questioned him, he probably got rid of them. if you look at the way he's talked about women and african-americans and peopl who are gay and especially latinos, you know, when you're up at the top of trump tower, everything looks small to you. so i would say that -- i wouldn't say, you know, the r-word is thrown -- "racist" is thrown around with everything. even talking about the pound, like when you adopt pets, that black ones are the last ones to go. an animal shelter will say, you know, they're the last ones to get, like [ bleep ]! okay, they can't be in pets, too. so i just think that there's that guy who has been given everything that doesn't know what it's like to work for something, like it's not even taking liberty with the language. that's not the way he talks. >> one of the reasons why i think you've been so successful and why you're such an exemplar of your community, you're close

to it still. you're not living in belaire, right? you're a guy who's hanging out with your community, close to the community, close to your family. trump says mexicans love him. he says hispanics love him. so what -- do you -- among all the hispanics do you know, is there a lot of love for donald trump? >> you know, i don't think there's a lot -- i don't think we could agree, even if we kidnapped, what to do with him. so i'm going so to say we don't love him. and i'm going to say there are latinos that are for trump. there's one guy that's latino for trump. i saw up with that said, "woman for trump." not even "women," just "woman." so there's just one woman. so i would say that we -- i've never seen a political candidate mocked more and disrespected more than donald trump. and i hope that those -- i hope that those memes and unflattering pictures turn into votes. >> well, you can find a lot of

them on your instagram account. you wereig supporter of barack obama. >> i was. >> hillary clinton, you're going to vote for her? >> i am. >> with enthusiasm? >> no. you know, i think the immigration problem is probably laid at the feet of barack obama. because in 2008, you know, we campaigned based on, you know, helping them create a pathway to citizenship and in '08, it didn't happened, and in '12 he mentioned it and didn't do anything. my only beef with him would be, you know, we were the deciding fact factor, maybe, in '12 and didn't see -- not that we were expecting to benefit frit, but this whole, i'm sure some of them are great people, we're going to build a wall. build that wall chants and all of that. he's responsible for, i think, a large portion of that. >> he, barack obama? >> yeah. >> his failure to -- >> yeah. and he's deported a lot of

people. people don't know, he's probably the president that's deported the most amount of people. but criminals, yes. and people who are here working honestly, there has to be a way for them to get on the path, at least to stay. >> i want to ask you about hillary again. you didn't answer that question, but do you feel regretful that you supported obama? >> no, i wouldn't say regretful. i made my choice. i didn't know what was going to happen. but i wouldn't be -- the clinton campaign didn't reach out, that's one thing. but i don't know if i would be as enthusiastic for her as much as i'm enthusiastic for people to get out and vote. i'm more concerned about raising the voter turnout than about voting or particularly campaigning for hillary clinton. >> you're like a lot of americans, right, who will vote for hillary clinton, mostly because it's a vote against trump, rather than a vote for her? >> right. right, i woulday that. >> let me ask you one last question, which is, that we have -- on the two tickets, we have one candidate, tim kaine, who whips out that mexican

language all the time. he's constantly speaking spanish. what do you think about that? >> you couldn't order at chipotle with that spanish. it might be spanish to him, it's not spanish to us. >> all right, okay. this is a man who george lopez -- >> i'm trying. >> telling the truth. >> i'm trying to tell the truth. you're -- almost -- you're about as much like the average american as donald trump is, in the sense that you have a pretty good life right now. and yet the way you're looking at this election is the way a lot of americans are, which is really not liking donald trump. kind of holding your nose and voting for hillary clinton, just kind of praying that maybe we get through this whole thing and it turns out okay. >> yeah, i would say, if it was a party, i might hang around, because there might be a fight toward the end. >> a big league and a bigly thanks to george lopez. we'll be right back. tis, and you're talking to your doctor about your medication... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage.

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episode, shall we, with the national political reporter for real clear politics, caitlin huey burns, aka, chb. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. that is my nickname. >> what are you wondering about this weekend? what are the things you think, i wish i knew the answer to this? >> i want to know what's going to happen in pennsylvania and what's going to happen in florida. those are two states that donald trump is really targeting right now. when you look at the electoral map, we all know that he has to sweep the romney states, pick up all the necessary battlegrounds, and then flip, potentially, a blue state. and what's been interesting to me over the past couple of days is looking at new hampshire, which has -- as of last week, he was behind by eight points and now it's a tied race at this point. that's one of those states he really needs and also that congressional district in maine is going to play a big role, potentially. >> just explain this to me, the clinton campaign is kicking off tomorrow night. they're doing katy perry in philadelphia, right? they're ending their campaign back in philadelphia again on monday night with the obamas. pennsylvania has been fool's

gold for republicans nor a long time and a very popular democratic state. are they worried that's what's going on? >> what's interesting about pennsylvania, there's no early voti. the clinton campaign has been focusing right now on the states with early voting. thauf been accepteding surrogates there. clinton has been going to places like florida and north carolina, where i was last week. big states for early voting. pennsylvania is always really key in that final stretch, as you mentioned, it is kind of this mirage for republicans. this time, though, you know, as we've been talking about all cycle, trump is appealing ingi certain part of the electorate there and it's split into two states, philadelphia, and melania was there in the philadelphia suburbs yesterday. it's a three-point race in our average. it's considered a toss-up, i still think it's a stretch -- >> for republicans? >> for republicans. but it's one of those places you can't take for granted, especially when everybody's voting on election day. >> when you look at pennsylvania, colorado, wisconsin, michigan, the kind of big states that the trump campaign is making an effort in here, you've got a hunch of which one they're -- if any, they're most likely to win? >> you know, michigan is really

interesting to me, because hillary clinton went to detroit this week, which is really important. so that kind of signals that he's kind of focused on -- >> in the nomination fight against sanders, she was ahead in the polling and lost it. >> exactly. michigan has been a surprise. donald trump certainly has an appeal there. the race is not as close there as it is in some of these others. but if you are looking at those states that you mentioned, that could potentially be the next best bet. and just because clinton is kind of worried about that potential surprise. >> also, i guess, you've got to think about the demography there. so you have michigan, like ohio, it's doing well. >> it has more diverse areas, i would say. i was in ohio last week, too, in the cleveland area, talking about people who were early voting. that's certainly a big push in ohio. we've seen the polls favor donald trump in recent days. but clinton is there tonight with jay-z, of course. potentially beyonce, trying to drive up young people, african-american voters there. >> why are we not there? >> exactly. i came back too soon. >> on c-span and on mtv.

>> what are we doing here? >> watch it on cable. >> i asked in beginning what you're watching for. what do you think most worries the clinton campaign as we head into the final weekend? >> well, i think, because this race is narrowing, because trump actually has some potential paths now, last week, it was really, really difficult to see how he could possibly pull this off. now, there are some options for him. i still think the fundamentals of this race favor clinton. the electoral college math fairs clinton at this point. but looking at states like new hampshire closing in, florida is still close, although they're seeing potential in the early -- >> would a blowout on either side surprise you at this point? >> i think it actually would. at this point, given what we're seeing in the polls this close, and given that we've seen a pretty tumultuous news cycle, with the news last weak, and both sides really driving the negative message home against the other kind of shows how close this is. >> all right. okay, caitlin huey burns, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> enjoy the weekend. try to figure it all out. john and i will be right back.

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i love the last 72 hours of the presidential campaign and i know you and i will both be out on the road this weekend with prospective candidates, flying around. what are you most looking forward to this weekend? >> napping between campaign stops? >> fair enough. >> seeing what lines work, from iowa, new hampshire, onward, listening to the stump speeches and see how the crowds react. and some of the crowds this weekend will be the faithful, but some will be people figuring out who to pick. >> i'm looking forward to getting up to new hampshire with hillary clinton this weekend.

head to bloombergpolitics.com right now for an update on how hillary clinton and donald trump are doing in the late staearly . for mark and me, sayonara. >> "hardball with chris matthews" is next. the reckoning. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. well, this morning, actually, this monday evening, president barack obama, first lady michelle obama, president clinton, hillary clinton, and chelsea clinton will appear. monday evening's election eve rally is part of a professional get-out-the-vote effort in a state, with pennsylvania, where hillary clinton is protected by an electoral firewall. donald trump and his republicans would need to breach tha