>> our goal has been and should be that our investigators and our prosecutors, that they're not used as a weapon. >> on voter turnout and on the fear of a trump presidency. >> i would feel deeply frustrated not because of anything he said about me but because i would fear for the future of our country. >> plus a stunning admission from rudy. >> did i hear about it? you're darn right i heard about it. >> tonight the question, did people inside the fbi tip off the trump campaign about the comey letter weeks in advance? all that plus what we know about where the polls stand right now and jay-z and hillary live in this hour from ohio when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. on this final friday of the campaign, four days to election day, the presidential race is nearly as close as it has ever been.

tonight hillary clinton's campaigning in cleveland with an assist from jay-z and maybe possibly according to rumors the queen b herself. beyonce. that's sherrod brown on stage warming things up. clinton's third stop of the day. trying to turn out young people and african-americans who don't appear to be turning out at least quite at the 2012 levels according to polls and early voting. those two groups have been targeted by republican efforts to restrict or repress voting founded by donald trump's claims of voter fraud. he'll issue a restraining order against the trump campaign and longtime trump ally and associate roger stone barring them from harassing or intimidating voters on tuesday. donald trump campaign is appealing the ruling. that case is one of several filed by democrats this week. decisions are still pending in pennsylvania, new jersey, michigan, nevada, arizona.

donald trump and his campaign continue to exploit and distort fbi director james comey's vague disclosure last week of new clinton-related e-mails with apparent help from people connected to the fbi itself. two nights ago on fox news host bret baier previously reported to have led nowhere was moving to a likely indictment. that came directly from two sources with intimate knowledge of the bureau related work. but the next morning he started to walk his story back a bit. today he all but retracted it. >> it was a mistake and for that i'm sorry. i should have said they'll continue to build their case. indictment is obviously a very loaded word, john, especially in this atmosphere. and no one knows if there would or would not be an indictment no matter how strong investigators feel their evidence is.

>> even after the initial walkback trump continued to say the report out on the stump yesterday. brian williams asked kellyanne conway about it last night. >> will donald trump amend his stump speech to walk back the same thing? >> well, the damage is done to hillary clinton. no matter how it's being termed, the voters are hearing it for what it is, a culture of corruption. you have responsible members of congress coming forward saying what they see and we could be living this nightmare from basically the moment he took office. >> the point was the story was not true. will your candidate amend that? and the answer was, the damage is done. so who cares what the truth is? sure enough trump was back on the campaign trail going way beyond the retracted report. >> as you know, the fbi now has multiple open criminal investigations into hillary clinton. she may now face major problems for perjury.

she'll be under investigation for years. she'll be with trials. the fbi agents say their investigation is likely to yield an indictment. hillary has engaged in a massive criminal enterprise and cover-up. if she were to win, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. >> again i feel the need just to respond here. if it were the case that this was based on anything, it would have to be bair's report which has been retracted. the perjury charge was invented out of thin air as far as i can tell. he's just calling her a criminal based on essentially no evidence at this point. if all the fbi leaks to the press weren't bad enough, now it turns out people connected to the bureau may have been leaking directly to trump campaign. rudy giuliani former prosecutor with ties to law enforcement, now admitted he had knowledge of the fbi director's announcement last week. >> all i heard were former fbi

agents telling me that there's a revolution going on inside the fbi and it's now at a boiling point. i had expected this for the last -- honestly, i thought it was going to be about three or four weeks ago. i did nothing to get it out. i had no role in it. did i hear about it? you're darn right i heard about it. i can't even repeat the language that i heard from the former fbi -- >> an interview on "hardball" a few moments ago giuliani denied having any information about the fbi. >> i had no idea that jim comey was going to do what he was going to do the day that he did it nor did i ever think he was going to do it. what i did know, which is quite true, for about four months, is that the fbi was very, very upset about the way jim comey had handled the case. but i heard that from former fbi agents, not from current fbi agents. >> you have no inside information, as of this moment from the fbi? >> correct. >> two democratic congressmen are now calling on the justice department's inspector general to investigate alleged fbi leaks to the trump camp.

president obama sat down for an interview with my colleague al sharpton. we'll be airing that interview coming up. he commented on what appear to be politically motivated leaks from in or around the fbi. >> when you are investigating a case, then, unless you have unearthed something, you need to just do your job. if there are things that you think are worth presenting, then you present them to a prosecutor. we give enormous power to our law enforcement officials to keep us safe, to do a great job, to protect us, but we also put these norms and rules in place, some of them written, some unwritten, to make sure that any of us are not suddenly affected by innuendo or rumors.

and that's true for an ordinary citizen and true for somebody who is running for president of the united states. >> i'm joined by matthew miller, former spokesman for the justice department. what do you make of all this? >> you know, i think what we have seen, each day we see that there's more of a real crisis going on in the fbi. you have agents that are at war with their supervisors inside the bureau. you have agents that are at war with prosecutors. and you have an fbi director who is unaccountable to the attorney general but he supposedly reports to. i think the way the president said it is exactly right. these are rules that exist for every citizen, that includes hillary clinton. but when you see the fbi director come out, you know, all the way back in july and set the tone at the top that the rules don't apply to him, it's not surprising that agents on down the line think that they can leak to the press and it sounds like think that they can leak to someone who represents the trump campaign, rudy giuliani. >> one thing that's caught my

eye is the sourcing on all of this. i want to be clear about it and there's a point wayne barrett made last night. a lot of this sourcing has been very hazy. people familiar with the investigations, sources close to this, people with knowledge. that's not necessarily people inside the fbi. so part of what's i think really dangerous about this is you got a ton of anonymous sources, extremely loosely identified who might be swirling around a game of telephone from a current agent to a former agent to rudy giuliani to someone else, to a reporter and next thing you know, hillary's about to be indicted is coming out of the mouth of a republican nominee and on about 5 million different facebook share pages. >> yeah, and that always happens about the reporting of investigations. it is clear, though, that there are agents directly leaking. if you look at some of the stories, particularly "the wall street journal" story that ran over the weekend, they quote law enforcement officials and fbi officials on background.

so it is clear. and then what happens is in this, you know, heated political season so close to the election, it takes off and it's in the mouth of the republican nominee, it's in the mouth of their surrogates, in the mouth of right wing media and all over social media as well which goes back to the point of why law enforcement is not supposed to say things about investigations publicly, privately, in any venue so close to an election. they're supposed to just be quiet. >> let me ask you this, i saw a few conservatives pointing this out today saying your liberals, you're so upset, someone is leaking an investigation. isn't that what mark felt did during watergate and you all think woodward and bernstein are a hero. >> there is a difference. there was evidence of a crime. by the time the leaks happened, by the time all the investigation was over and the impeachment hearings were over, there was clear evidence of a crime. let's look at the hillary clinton e-mail situation we're talking about here. it's already been reviewed by prosecutors and found, you know,

there was no evidence of any crime. there's not going to be anything in these new e-mails that's going to change that conclusion. so what we have instead is not leaking -- these aren't whistleblowers that are leaking. these are people who are leaking to try to influence the outcome of the election. that's obviously very different than what happened in watergate. >> matthew miller, appreciate it. joining me lynn sweet washington bureau chief for the washington sun times. let me start with you. that bret baier story, it went from 0 to 1,000 then walked back down and basically back to zero. it was stunning to watch someone on that network essentially recant a story which is something new. >> unprecedented. inside fox news that report created a big problem because bret is an anchor, he's not a reporter. he's going on air to bring new information to fox viewers and there is really a journalistic breakdown here.

there's a lot more questions to ask about how that report got on the air. it led to him walking it back. then you have bret baier going on air and making a discredited report. >> i don't want to pile on him. because people make mistakes. less outlets running with it and more what it means about the integrity of the bureau and this idea that we keep getting from folks around the new york bureau which a revolt happening in the bureau that wants to see hillary clinton essentially, you know, in an orange jumpsuit like the people you see at a trump rally. >> one of the compliments i want to give here is who asked rudy giuliani, he's connected in new

york fbi circles, that he the question that reporters should ask at the beginning. not what did you hear, what do you think, what do you really know. and he finally said, giuliani, that he did not have firsthand information about the situation. i think that's the most important thing for our viewers to know right now, that the -- that one of the people who you thought was a source really is not. and that's instructive, and we know that donald trump is immune to fact checking, but perhaps rudy giuliani is not. we just saw that happen. >> let's be clear here, too, surrogates are not sources and they're not reporters. this idea that new information is being entered into the public record about the most high leveled functions of the federal

bureau of investigation is ludicrous to begin with. >> this is so crazy. just stepping back, there's an old journalism rule that says very close to an election, if you're in a newsroom, you did not put out an explosive story that could sway the election one way or the other unless there's an extreme public need to know. what rudy giuliani did, what bret baier did is polluting the public record without really knowing anything. that's a disservice to viewers and also a disservice to the democracy. >> lynn, you've been a political reporter through several cycles. have you ever seen anything quite like this crazy leaking and sort of rumormongering? >> well, on top of every other unprecedented type of thing we've seen in this election with trump, no, and it's particularly dangerous as journalists and as consumers of the news to have this kind of environment, but having said that, the responsibility -- let's not take anybody from trump either who

was repeating, making stuff up out of whole cloth. so people make mistakes along the way in what they've reported. and you got to cut people slack for making mistakes which is different than the decision, if you go on air or if you write something this close, donald trump was making things up that no one ever said. okay? that's where i think we have to keep attention on. when you have somebody who can't -- he's in a good situation. he has a lot of breaks here with this fbi bombshell. he is making stuff up that doesn't exist. he already has a very good issue. he had this handed to him. and that to me is what the focus is on. and as much as i think we do need now and after this a good bunch of self-introspection about our own business and how we handled this campaign, chris. >> no, i agree. the fact that rudy giuliani's given a public platform on fox news and now he's gone on other networks to explain his

sourcing, really, news producers and journalists need to say, as you said, surrogates are not sources. >> chris matthews did a great job of -- >> yeah, rudy giuliani will say it if you give him the platform. but you have to step back and say, we don't want to do that. his visceral reaction to the idea of having donald trump in the white house and how his own legacy is at stake. that's after this two-minute break. stick around. >> if you supported me in '08, in '12, if you think i've done a good job and you believe michelle's done a good job, everything we've done over the last eight years will be reversed with a trump presidency.

those values that we've taught our children that you're teaching your children, your grandchildren, we can't have a president who every day seems to violate those basic values.

suddenly reality tv has entered into the race for the presidency. it's not even "survivor" or "the bachelorette." it's like some "love and hip hop" stuff. >> the eve of the early voting coming to a close, president obama was in fayetteville trying to lift the early turnout of african-american voters. earlier the president took a moment between those two rallies to sit down with my colleague, reverend al sharpton. >> there's been a lot of energy, as you've been traveling the last few days. >> right. >> you just finished a rally here in fayetteville. and you've said your legacy is on the ballot. yet there are reports that the african-american vote is not exactly where they would want it. how do we translate the energy

that you clearly inspire and the message that you have inspired about your legacy into actual votes? >> look, the good news is that what we've seen over the last several days is in florida, in north carolina, in places all across the country, votes generally have been up. you have seen in the african-american community big surges in early vote, big surges in latino vote, big surges in youth vote. and so if we can just sustain what we've done over the last several days, then i will feel good about the ultimate turnout results. but what is true is that in part because, i think, a lot of people still can't believe that donald trump would be elected president, there may be a complacency setting in. and the main thing that i've been trying to explain to people

is that, if you supported me in '08, if you supported me in '12, if you think that i've done a good job, if you believe that michelle has done a good job, everything that we've done over the last eight years will be reversed with a trump presidency. and everything will be sustained and built on with a hillary clinton presidency. so this vote is as important as any of those other two votes in being able to maintain a progressive agenda that keeps 20 million people with health insurance and hopefully gets the next 20 million that make sure that we're working on issues like criminal justice reform and somebody who actually wants to see a reinvigorated civil rights office in the justice department, that wants to make sure that things like early childhood education get put in place so that our young people can all get the benefits of a great education at the earliest stages all the way through college.

you can't say you care about those things and then suggest somehow that you're feeling cynical or you're not sufficiently inspired. michelle and i talk over the dinner table, we explained to our daughters, you know, not everything's supposed to be inspiring. sometimes you just do what you have to do and one of the things you got to do right now is to make sure to vote for hillary clinton. >> you've actually criticized trump for having the support of kkk sympathizers. i mean, this is frightening for many people in this country, but i don't know if it's as come home to -- >> i've been critical, not that somebody decides to support him, but that he doesn't immediately disown that support and sends signals that he is okay with discrimination against minorities, that he's okay or sympathetic with respect to discrimination towards muslims. these are things that he says on

an ongoing basis. comments that would have once been considered completely disqualifying by a democratic or republican candidate. imagine if i, when i had been running, said one-tenth of the things that donald trump has said. people would have immediately said that person is not qualified to be president. if hillary clinton right now said just a fraction of the things that mr. trump said, people would be outraged and the republicans would say, you can't have that person serving. and it's not just with respect to his attitudes towards minorities. it's his lack of respect for the constitution. i mean, when you stand on a presidential debate stage, and you say to your political opponent, i'm going to throw you in jail, that's what happens in banana republics.

that's what happens in a lot of countries around the world that are run by authoritarians. and so i take him at his word when he says that he admires somebody like a vladimir putin. and the fact that you got republicans who in the past have criticized me for even talking to russians and now feel comfortable with supporting somebody who considers the former head of the kgb as a role model indicates that either they know better and they don't care or they don't know better. >> look at this personally for a minute, because one of the things he said -- he rose to political prominence outside of his business and entertainment with the birther issue. can you imagine how you would feel standing on the steps of the capitol having to hand over the power and watch him put his hand on that bible and become

your successor after saying you weren't even a u.s. citizen? >> i don't take any of this personally because he is not somebody who is fit to be president in any circumstances. i would feel deeply frustrated not because of anything he said about me but because i would fear for the future of our country. and i say that mindful of the fact that there are disagreements between democrats and republicans. john mccain, i thought he had the wrong ideas and i believed i would be a better president. but i didn't think that if john mccain was president that basic standards of decency, basic constitution norms would be out the window. when i ran against mitt romney, i disagreed with him on his economic policies, but he released his tax returns. i wasn't worried about what kinds of business interests he might have.

when donald trump says that he is prepared to be president and he'll have his family run his businesses, not a blind trust, when he's got all kinds of business interests that nobody knows what's what and where it might be going, that is the kind of unprecedented attitude with respect to the highest office in the land that would make me concerned about the country as a whole. and so the good news is that the majority of the american people recognize that he's not fit to be president. the challenge that we always have, and you're very familiar with this, reverend, is that who votes doesn't always match up with the attitudes of the majority. >> yeah. >> and if we had a system in

which consistently the majority of the american people voted not just during presidential years but midterms, congress would look very different and we'd have very different policies. >> there are reports of leaks from fbi about mrs. clinton. it seems to be geared toward harming her candidacy. does it disturb you or even raise an eyebrow that there may be some elements in law enforcement or even the fbi that are purposefully trying to affect this campaign or this election? >> i'll say what i've said before. i'm always very careful about speaking about active cases being handled by the justice department or the fbi because i don't want to appear as if i'm influencing them. the reason for that is that historically both under democratic and republican administrations our goal has

been and should be that our investigators and our prosecutors are independent of politics. that they're not politicized, that they're not used as a weapon to advantage either side in partisan arguments. and i want to make sure that we continue with that tradition and with that norm. i've said before and i'll say again jim comey's a good man. and i do not believe that he is in any way trying to influence the election one way or another. i think he's a serious public servant and wants to do the right thing. i think the overwhelming majority of fbi, the overwhelming majority of people in the justice department feel the same way. what i have said is i want all of us to think about maintaining these norms. when you are investigating a case, then, unless you have

unearthed something, you need to just do your job. if there are things that you think are worth presenting, then you present them to a prosecutor. the prosecutor then makes a judgment. the prosecutor can make a decision either to file a charge or not to file a charge. but we give enormous power to our law enforcement officials to keep us safe, to do a great job, to protect us but we also put these norms and rules in place, some of them written, some of them unwritten, to make sure that any of us are suddenly affected by innuendo or rumors. and that's true for an ordinary citizen and true for somebody who is running for president of the united states. >> we'll have much more of that exclusive interview coming up,

including an answer about voter suppression you might not have expected. that's just ahead.

african-american voters are at least according to the early voting we have seen not turning out in levels they did in 2012. to help reignite the black vote in swing states like ohio, jay-z, for instance, is holding a get out the vote concert for hillary clinton tonight in cleveland. we just confirmed beyonce will also appear as a special guest. in an exclusive interview with my colleague al sharpton, president obama spoke directly to voters about what he thinks is at stake. >> what do you want as your closing argument to be to voters

that are saying they're suppressing the vote. i don't know if it matters. what should they know from president barack obama? >> here's what they need to know. i would not have become president unless people turned out to vote. over these last eight years, we have gone from coming close to a great depression, to unemployment rate and created 15 million new jobs, last year saw the highest jump in incomes that we've seen in 30, 40 years saw the biggest drop in poverty that we've seen in 30, 40 years. we just saw a jobs report this week that showed that wages are going up at the fastest pace since before we saw the great recession. we have made so much progress in so many areas. all that is at stake. and i won north carolina in '08 by two votes per precinct.

two votes per precinct. and so this notion that your vote doesn't count? the fact of the matter is that you might be one of those two votes that changes the direction of american history. and in this situation where we have such a stark choice, where we have hillary clinton, somebody who is an outstanding public servant, knows her stuff, is as experienced as anybody has ever been for this office, who has served in my administration, i've seen her up close, who has fought the good fight her entire life, who has put forward probably the most progressive platform in history and is committed to making sure that she builds on the progress that we've made over these last eight years and you have another guy who is temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief, unqualified, doesn't know anything or seem to be concerned

about learning basic public policy, who has shown himself to be a bully and willing to discriminate against people who are not like him or somehow oppose him, when you have a choice that stark, the idea that you would sit on the sidelines is unacceptable. so i am asking everybody who is watching this show, if you have not voted, you've got to go out there and vote. and particularly young people who may have been inspired by bernie but say hillary is too establishment, somebody who been marching after a police shooting and say all politicians are the same. that's not true. the fact of the matter is is that nobody is going to be able from this office, as powerful as it is, to deliver everything to everybody right away. progress is never made overnight.

yes, there are times when compromises need to be made. yes, there's no candidate out there who is going to be perfect on your issue the way you want it done a hundred percent of the time. but you have to look at the choice we have right now and it could not be starker. and if somebody is not voting right now who is watching your program, you are voting for donald trump. and if that's the case, then you need to own that you think his ideas and his behavior are okay. i don't. and if you don't, you have to get off your chair and you have to get out there and vote. and the notion that some voter suppression is keeping you from voting, as systematic as republicans have tried to make voting more difficult for minorities, for democrats, for young people, the truth of the matter is that you actually want

to vote, then you can vote. and it will take you 15 minutes in most cases where you've got early vote. if there's no early vote, then, yes, you might have to wait in line for 20 minutes or half an hour to vote. and the question would be why would you disempower yourself? why would you give them that victory if they're trying to keep you from voting by not voting. we disempower ourselves all the time. you can't tell me that all those folks who don't vote are doing so because somebody has turned them away or somebody has intimidated them. no, it's because they decided they had something better to do. in this election, at this moment, there's nothing better to do than to go vote. if you don't know how to vote, go to i will vote.com and it will tell you how to vote, where to vote.

and i am so proud of the work we've done, but i've said before it's never the work of just one person or one president or one term. the work we engage in is a process and depends on active citizens getting out there and getting educated and participating. now is when those people have to be heard. >> thank you mr. president. >> appreciate it, sir. >> joining me now is reverend al sharpton who just conducted that interview. i'm curious to get your response to that last answer. because i know that advocates often are worried that talking too much about systematic efforts to limit the franchise, disenfranchise voters, require voter i.d., curtail early voting may have the early consequence of discouraging people or making them think it's more difficult than it might actually be and a presidency like that was --

>> that is why chris raised the question. certainly no one has advocated more than i have and others in the civil rights community around these kinds of repressive moves that the president talked about. even if you have to go through these thing, even if it delays you, you can vote and come on out and vote. that's why the legal defense fund and naacp and national action, all of us are out there. you don't want the unintended consequences while we fight these repressive moves to make people feel that they cannot vote or should not go and vote because we must pursue it. it clearly is a lot different than when we had no right at all to vote or when there were much more stark consequences. i think what he said was important. that's why i wanted to raise it to say yes. and he confirmed there have been some real repressive moves. he's not denying that. but he's saying, but you've got

to go ahead and vote anyhow. i thought coming from him -- and i'll have the entire interview sunday morning, talk a lot about his race, his legacy, but coming from him the sunday before election day was very important. >> the moment when you asked him what it would be like on january 20th to pass power to donald trump was a pretty interesting one because you can kind of see how horrifying, for lack of a better word, he found that and how hard he found it to think about. >> no. the thought that you are talking about a man who is basically a businessman and entertainer whose political rise was based on him questioning the legitimacy of this president, questioning his birthright with clear racial overtones. to think that president obama would have to stand on the steps of the capitol and watch this man put his hand on the bible and become his successor, i had

to ask him how would that make you feel. you have to remember every outgoing president stands a few feet away while their successor is sworn in. and to think that this man would be sworn in who rose to political currency questioning the legitimacy of his predecessor, the president says he doesn't take anything personally, but i wanted to raise the question to him and for viewers to think about that, wait a minute. he'd actually be having to stand there, looking at a man taking his position that he has held for eight years who said he was not even an american. >> reverend al sharpton. thanks for being here tonight. it's really fascinating interview. reverend al's interview with president obama will run in its entirety this sunday at 8:00 a.m. eastern on politics nation here on msnbc. we'll take a look at the latest polling and a key state where candidates are in a tight race. but first tonight's thing 1,

thing 2. it starts right after this break.

thing 1 tonight. it was new jersey governor chris christie who cast himself in role of overzealous prosecutor throwing red meat to a very heated crowd where i was observing the republican national convention this summer. leading convention goers in a mock trial of hillary clinton. >> since the justice department refuses to allow you to render a verdict, i'm going to present the case now on the facts against hillary rodham clinton. as to hillary clinton, the charge of putting herself ahead of america, guilty or not guilty? >> guilty! >> new jersey today, a federal jury answered that question for two of christie's top allies. that's thing 2 in 60 seconds.

today a verdict was reached in the bridgegate trial involving two of chris

christie's top allies. a federal jury convicted former christie deputy chief of staff, one of his closest associates bridget ann kelly and bill baroni over a scheme to close access lanes to the george washington bridge a few years ago. prosecutors claim it was political retribution for the mayor who refused to support christie's reelection. they were the only people to be tried in the scandal, but both, the prosecution and the defense argued that christie himself knew more than he previously admitted to. christie has long denied any involvement in the matter and issued this statement, i had no prior knowledge to or during these lane realignments, had no role in authorizing them, no believable evidence was presented to contradict that fact. anything said to the contrary over the past six weeks in court is simply untrue. he continues to serve as the chairman of donald trump's transition team. what's he doing there? well, he's the guy charged with

hiring people for a potential trump administration. clinton campaign chair john podesta saying that he should ask christie to resign. christie has canceled his trump campaign events in new hampshire tomorrow. perhaps trump should have stuck with his initial instinct on this one. >> look, here's the story. the george washington bridge. he knew about it. they didn't mention at one of their meetings? i think they have breakfast like every day or every other day. they didn't say, chris, tonight we're closing up the george washington bridge because the mayor of a certain area is against you. oh, okay. they didn't mention it. nobody believes that.

i don't want any of us, not me and not you, to wake up on wednesday and think if we'd only done a little bit more. things would have turned out differently. >> with just four days until election day and their surrogates campaigning across

country, hillary clinton and donald trump each held rallies in three different states. clinton in michigan, trump in new hampshire, both candidates making stops in pennsylvania and ohio. the polling group latino decisions report an upstick. between 13.1 to 14.7 million will vote in this election. separate poll today showed clinton with a huge lead among hispanic voters in three key states, numbers that one of our next guests describes as downright terrifying for republican. as for the national polls, they show a tight race. clinton holding a roughly 3-point lead over trump, according to fivethirtyeighth. and clinton holding the lead in most of her so-called firewall states. then there's new hampshire where three no polls show the race effectively tied after all three showed clinton with a lead last month. election day goes down to the

wire, all eyes could be on nevada where polls show them to be within a single percentage point of each other. it's 20% hispanic. it's seen an increase in latino vote, showing indication that clinton may be poised to beat her poll numbers there. more on that after this break. ♪

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>> nice work on that audio board there, guys. that's the person that came after senator sherrod brown. yeah, yeah, that's jay-z. he's performing a concert in cleveland. his wife i think it's fair to say bigger star, beyonce, will be appearing soon. heather mcghee and radio talk show host fernand amandi. i want to start with you. this is what i find fascinating. >> all right. >> early voting data from arizona, florida suggest significantly higher latino turnout. pub pick polling has georgia within a point and arizona within three or four points. i know the clinton campaign thinks that arizona is closer than georgia, it's not gettable and it is. and all the public polling has been underpredicting latino

turnout in this election. >> well, chris, i'll tell you and your listeners a little pollster secret. a lot of times the public polling does not have the ability for financial reasons to poll in spanish. so oftentimes the margins for this are small. we know in states like florida, colorado and certainly nevada there's enough spanish language voter will vote. it could be there's a hidden point or two that's not captured. we saw that in 2010 when the democrats were supposed to lose complete control of the congress yet hispanic voters kept harry reid in congress and kept control of the senate. you might see that dynamic playing out. what's certainly playing out in our polling is that hispanic voters overwhelmingly are backing hillary clinton. they could very well be her firewall in this election in those key states. >> we're getting this interesting thing. we're four days away.

you just saw the president talking there. so this is the big experiment we're going to get in four days. the obama coalition, durable or not. right? that's really the experiment. and you got the first democrat to win outright majority of the american populous in back-to-back elections since fdr. what's your sense of what dynamics are going into that coalition? >> so i think that coalition is here to stay. i think that the issues that unite that coalition, which are really for the most part a working and middle class coalition are actually more widespread than that coalition itself, right? i know that everybody is talking about the panic on the african-american get out the vote. i'm not as worried as a lot of people are right now. but -- >> can i just -- i want to say

one thing regarding that. the phrasing of black turn outis down is like let's just be clear here white people in this country are going to elect donald trump in four days. >> thank you. >> that's what's going to happen. so let's be clear about how this is all going down. anyone who wants to sort of cast apersians is that black voter turnout at very high rates controlling for income. they're almost maxed out relative to other -- i'm sorry. >> no, that's what i was going to say. we need to be looking at what's going on in white american politically. white americans have not voted for a democratic president since lyndon johnson. we have to remember that there's a lot of work to be done here. this can't keep being african-americans and millennials and single women sort of saving the country for progressive future. that's actually not what we need

right now. we need a lot of work with white americans who are working class who actually support higher taxes on the wealthy, who support debt-free college and sensible trade policies. that should be the democratic message and i hope that's the focus -- >> so here's the question, i remember talking to somebody about voter registration in the south. in politics every action has an equal and opposite reaction. you register voters in the south, you know what will happen, a bunch of white voters will turn out. because people -- the question i have is if we see real competition in arizona or in florida, are we going to see that kind of pushback also? >> well, you know, chris, they call it is the texas conundrum. one of the feelings is the more you try and do outreach and propagate hispanic voters in texas, that's the reaction that people fear will happen with white voters. however in other states like florida it's becoming so

diverse, chris, and you now see this obama coalition, as you call it, unlocking what had been a republican lock on some of these key states. to the other point about white voters, this has a shelf life simply because millennial voters, between the ages of 18 to 34, by 2020 they'll be the largest segment of the american electorate. they're not part of this trend. >> white millennials will almost certainly not vote for donald trump, young white people. the children. heather mcghee, fernand amandi. we'll be right back here on saturday after joy reid's bonus hour. we'll be here, if my voice makes it. be sure to tune in for that. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> do you know that i have magic throat lozenges that cure everything? >> i'll go right to your office and steal them. >> they sell them at my bodega. i think they're illegal.

thanks for being with us here this friday night, this friday before the election. it's very exciting. i'm very excited. when john f. kennedy beat richard nixon in 1960, that was very close. the electoral college numbers don't look all that close, the electoral map didn't look all that close, but that election was very, very close. there were basically 100,000 votes in total between kennedy and nixon across the whole country. election night, that night in 1960, it went on forever. nixon appeared at a hotel ballroom at 3:00 in the morning east coast time, and he kind of, sort of talked about conceding, but he didn't actually concede. nbc news didn't end up calling the race for kennedy until 7:00 in the morning. and when they did make that call for kennedy, they were actually wrong about which states everybody had won at that point. kennedy did actually win the election and nixon did formally