been and should be that our investigators and our prosecutors are independent of politics, they're not politicized, that they're not used as a weapon to advantage either side in partisan arguments. and i want to make sure we continue with that tradition and that norm. now i said mbefore and i'll say again, jim comey is a good man. i do not believe he is in any way trying to influence the election one way or another. i think he's a serious public servant who wants to do the right thing. i think the overwhelming majority of fbi feel the same way, the overwhelming majority of people in the justice department feel the same way. what i have said is i want all of us to think about maintaining these norms. when you are investigating a

case, then unless you have unearthed something, you need to just do your job. if there are things that you think are worth presenting, then you present them to a prosecutor. the prosecutor then makes a judgment, the prosecutor can make a decision either to file a charge or not to file a charge. but we give enormous power to our law enforcement officials to keep us safe, to do a great job, to protect us. but we also put these norms and rules in place, some of them written, some of them unwritten, to make sure that any of us are not suddenly affected by innuendo or rumors. and that's true for an ordinary citizen, and it is true for somebody who is running for president of the united states. >> you actually criticized trump

for having the support of kkk sympathizers. i mean, this is frightening for many people in this country. but i don't know if it as come home. >> i've been critical, not that somebody decides to support him, but the fact that he doesn't immediately disown that support. and sends signals that he is okay with discrimination against minorities, that he's okay or sympathetic with respect to discrimination towards muslims. these are things that he said on an ongoing basis. comments that would have once been considered completely disqualifying by a democratic or a republican -- one tenth of the things that donald trump has said. people would immediately say that person is not qualified to be president. if hillary clinton right now

said just a fraction of the things that mr. trump said, people would be outraged and the republicans would say, you can't have that person serving. and it is not just with respect to his attitudes towards minorities. it is his lack of respect for the constitution. when you stand on a presidential debate stage, and you say to your political opponent, i'm going to throw you in jail, that's what happens in banana republics. that's what happens in, you know, a lot of countries around the world that are run by authoritarians. i take him at his word when he says he admires somebody like a vladimir putin. and the fact that you got republicans who in the past have criticized me for even talking to russians, and now feel comfortable with supporting somebody who considers the

former head of the kgb as a role model, indicates that either they know better and they don't care, or they don't know better. >> you look at this person for a minute, because one of the things he said, he rose to political prominence outside of his business and entertainment, with the birther issue, can you imagine how you would feel standing on the steps of the capital having to hand over the power and watch him put his hand on that bible and become your successor after saying you weren't even a u.s. citizen? >> you know, the thing is, i don't take any of this personally because he is not somebody who is fit to be president in any circumstances. i would feel deeply frustrated, not because anything he said about me, but because i would fear for the future of our

country. and i say that mindful of the fact that there are disagreements between republicans and democrats, but i've said this in speeches before. when i ran against john mccain, i thought he had wrong ideas, and i believed i would be a better president. but i didn't think that if john mccain was president that basic standards of decency, basic constitutional norms would be out the window. when i ran against mitt romney, i disagreed with him on his economic policies, but he released his tax returns, i wasn't worried about what kinds of business interests that he might have. when donald trump says that he is prepared to be president, and he will have his family run his businesses, not in a blind trust, when he's got all kinds of business interests that nobody knows what's what and where money is coming from and where it might be going, that is

the kind of unprecedented attitude with respect to the highest office in the land that would make me concerned about the country as a whole. and so the good news is that the majority of the american people recognize that he's not fit to be president. the challenge we always have, and you're very familiar with this, reverend, is that who votes doesn't always match up with the attitudes of the majority. and if we had a system in which consistently the majority of the american people voted, not just during presidential years, but midterms, congress would look very different and we would have very different policies. >> there has been a lot of energy as you've been traveling the last few days, you just finished a rally here in fayetteville and you said your legacy is on the ballot. yet there are reports that the african-american vote is not

exactly where they would want it. how do we translate the energy that you clearly inspire and the message you inspired about your legacy into actual votes? >> look, the good news is that what we have seen over the last several days is in florida, in north carolina, in places all across the country, votes generally have been up, you've seen in the african-american community big surges in early vote, big surges in latino vote, big surges in youth vote. and so if we can just sustain what we have done over the last several days, then i will feel good about the ultimate turnout results. but what is true is that in part, because i think a lot of people still can't believe that donald trump would be elected president, there may be a complacency setting in.

and the main thing that i've been trying to explain to people is that if you supported me in '08, if you supported me in '12, if you think i've done a good job, if you believe michelle has done a good job, everything that we have done over the last eight years will be reversed with a trump presidency. and everything will be sustained and built on with a hillary clinton presidency. so this vote is as important as any of those other two votes in being able to maintain a progressive agenda that keeps 20 million people with health insurance, and hopefully gets the next 20 million, that makes sure that we're working on issues like criminal justice reform, and somebody who actually wants to see a reinvigorated civil rights office in the justice partment, that wants to make sure that things like early childhood education get put in place so that our young people can get the benefits of a great

education at the earliest stages, all the way through college. you can't say you care about those things and then suggest somehow that you're feeling cynical or not sufficiently inspired, michelle and i, we talk over dinner table, we explain to our daughters, you know, not everything is supposed to be inspiring, sometimes you just do what you have to do and one of the things you got to do right now is to make sure you vote for hillary clinton. >> we also talked about the president's legacy. his record on civil rights and a lot more. that's all coming up. also, still to come, we're live with a senior trump campaign adviser on the strategy with two days to go. >> we got to be nice and cool. nice and cool. right. stay on point, donald. stay on point.

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election day. today, he'll be in battleground florida and tomorrow he stops in michigan before a big rally in philadelphia. with the first lady and both clintons. joining me now, two journalists who know the obama presidency better than most, april ryan and msnbc political analyst jonathan altar. he's written two books on the obama years. jonathan, we never seen a sitting president campaign like this for his successor before. what do you make of it? >> i think it is what he just said to you in your interview. his entire legacy is on the ballot, and the well-being of millions of citizens. i think what people don't understand is if trump's policies were enacted and he would likely have a republican

congress, if he was elected, to pay for his tax cuts, you have to cut 40% from every other program. and every other program that benefits people would have to be cut by 40 to 50%. >> this is trump's actual proposals. >> you also have things like minimum wage, climate change, all kinds of other -- go right down the list of big issues and not small differences between hillary clinton and donald trump. there are huge differences that go to our values, the big question now is whether he -- president obama and michelle obama have enough influence to get larger numbers of african-americans to the polls, in particular. he's influenced with all voters. they're the swing voters in a lot of states. and also even if you're not in a battleground state if you don't vote and say trump lost in the electoral college, but won the popular vote, we'll have a huge

constitutional crisis in this country. >> yeah. >> so even if you're in new york or chicago or a place that is not real competitive, if you don't get out and vote, that really helps trump. >> april, the president is certainly fired up and i'm going to play a lot more of the interview as we continue to show -- >> the interview as well. >> thank you. >> but, you know, it is -- he's fired up about his legacy, he's fired up about a lot of the things that all of us that tried to deal with in this country in the last eight years. how much do you think, though, is all of the activity we're seeing from the president about his legacy? >> i think a lot of it is about his legacy. i think the vast majority of it is because number one we have to look at the historic nature. this was the first african-american president of the united states, not just the first african-american president, but a president who was now considered a -- you have issues of lgbt community, women's issues, issues for the

african-american community. he'll go down in history as a rights president. but what we also talk about issues of rights, this is the president who has put criminal justice issues on the forefront, reverend al, you know more than anyone that, you know, through this last eight years, we have seen this worldo through this presidency when it comes to racial profiling. but then you have a candidate like donald trump who is talking either/or. it is like i support the police or i support the people who are complaining about this. and he's choosing to support the police, where as you have hillary clinton who is taking a stance like president obama, you know, let's look at both. let's have a strong support for good policing, and weed out the bad policing. also issues of the economy. this president did a stimulus package to help reinvigorate business to put more money into the economy. you have donald trump who is talking about trickle down economics. getting, you know, giving businesses a chance to make more money through tax incentives, but will they, will they? that's the question.

will they send it off to their employees and people like the national urban league are saying that's just not feasible. and you have the aca, very controversial issue. you know, now so many people, as you get older, things happen. pre-existing conditions. many people now are able to -- >> where are we going to go with the affordable care act? it has to be a major concern. >> huge. huge. it will be gutted. you will have millions of people thrown off of their insurance. look, i'm normally a calm guy, you know this. but this is really serious. and i think what most people watching this show, they're already voting, maybe some of them have done so in early voting. it is the cousins, the nephews, the nieces, the people that all of you know who are, you know, a little complacent as the president said, a little reluctant. i think a lot of them don't understand the stakes that are

involved. >> which is why i thought the president's talk with me on -- and knowing it would air the sunday before an election was so important. but at the same time, you have the negative. you have donald trump -- let me play this quickly to you. he talks about hillary clinton and these terms. watch this. >> crooked hillary clinton, the prime suspect in a far reaching criminal investigation. her current scandals and controversies will continue throughout her presidency. >> so with all at stake, he's projecting this, will these e-mail negative headlines and words from the republican nominee affect voters? >> i think they already have a little bit. and what he just said is completely untrue, you know. >> absolutely. >> they did not reopen a criminal investigation. >> that's just factually untrue. he's the one that has the court date november 28th for the fraud

that is trump university, trump university, the fake scam he's been running. he has to appear in court then. he's facing many more legal challenges than she is. but he talks -- look, we just have to call it what it is. he lies consistently and as we know from history, the big lie works. sometimes what it does it just depresses people, so they go, i don't want to deal with any of this stuff and don't realize how much is at stake. >> april, let me quickly ask you, did president obama's presence and his presidency fire up black voters in these last few days? >> you know, president obama has charisma and that's part of the problem. he's not on the ballot. but he's letting people know i am on the ballot, and i mean i'm hearing people, watching mrs. obama, who is -- she's amazing on the road. she's real. and she touches people because she's a mother, she makes no bones about it. i'm not a politician, but i'm talking from my heart. >> i have to leave it there, april. thank you. april ryan, thank you. thank you, jonathan altar.

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i'm a republican, and i've been supporting republican candidates for quite some time. but i just don't support donald trump. i literally had one sign that said republicans against trump.

>> the protester involved in that security scare last night in nevada. some tense moments, reports that someone shouted gun, but thankfully the secret service says no gun was found. but donald trump jr. raised eyebrows, by immediately retweeting the false claim that his father had survived a, quote, assassination attempt. that retweet is still up on his account. joining me now is trump campaign senior adviser a.j. delgado. shouldn't donald jr. delete that tweet rather than leave that misinformation out there. >> not at all. this happened to me myself. we know when you retweet something and then undo the tweet, you get as much for undoing the tweet. it is just showing the different

views on what happened of different supporters and many did see it as an assassination attempt and tweeted that at the time. >> but there was no gun. so there wasn't an assassination. >> thankfully. >> let's get to something even more interesting to me than a retweet, an assassination attempt had it happened would have been very serious, but it just didn't happen, thank god. but what raises my eyebrow a little, donald trump is hitting eight states today and tomorrow. including minnesota, which hasn't voted republican since richard nixon. i mean, does the campaign really think he has a shot in some of these blue states? or this just desperation or misplaced optimism? >> we really do. here's why. it comes down to jobs and the economy. we're seeing a lot of working class democrats who feel disaffected, ban donald, by the trade policies of the democratic policy, by the trade policies that hillary clinton supports be it nafta or tpp.

these are job killing trade deals. that message is resonating rightly so with communities across the country that may trend blue, but are saying, listen, democratic party is moving in a way that i don't really agree with, especially into hillary clinton. like barack obama, i don't like hillary clinton's corruption, the lies, which she did with the e-mails and they're thinking it might be time to switch. >> notwithstanding that nearly 40 million people have already voted early. democrats hold an edge in seven states, including north carolina, ohio, virginia. republicans hold an edge in arizona and georgia. florida and colorado are even. so is the trump campaign worried about these early voting patterns, which tend to appear like it gives the democrats a little edge. >> not at all. in several of the key states, florida, where they're up by 7,000 votes last i saw, they're supposed to be -- democrats tend to be in the critical states, they tend to be stronger in early voting than republicans tend to vote more on election

day. they're not doing the democrats -- not doing well compared to 2012. at this point in 2012 in early voting in florida, the democrats had over 100,000 more votes than the republicans. this year only 7,000 more. the stats are worse for the dems. >> what is the mood real quick in the campaign? >> optimistic, three more days to victory. >> all right, we'll see. a.j. delgado, thank you for your time. next, what president obama told me about voter suppression. the answer might surprise you. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.

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the civil rights issues since you've been in it. i know of your sensitivity there from commuting sentences to when you had newt gingrich and i tour on education. what do you hope continues from your civil rights legacy into the new administration and how would you tell them to relate to those issues and to the broad section of people who work with -- you said a real -- >> i think there are two ways to think about it. i think there is work that has to be sustained to defend civil rights and prevent bad things from happening. and then there is the body of work we have been doing to make things actually better. on the defense side, we have reinvigorated the civil rights division of the voting rights, or voting rights division at the justice department that is serious about prosecuting discriminatory actions. and that makes a big difference. that is serious about protecting voting rights. that makes a big difference.

so those kinds of institutional structures that we have set up we have to sustain. but as you know, we also have to make sure that all the work we have been doing around criminal justice reform moves forward. some of that i've been able to do on my own. the commutations of close to a thousand individuals -- more than the last 11. we have reinvigorated the office of the pardon attorney, in the justice department, so that continuously we can review people who have gotten overly harsh sentences for nonviolent drug offenses. i think we can sustain. i think the work we have done with the task force for 21st century policing that at times you participated in, terrific recommendations coming from ferguson activists, police chiefs, prosecutors, talking about things like instituting body cameras, and making sure

that they're used properly, to having independent inquiries when there is a shooting, things that we should be able to agree on because it will be better for the police, and make their lives better and safer, but will also ensure communities feel they're being treated fairly. a lot of that work requires us to continue to partner with state and local officials and so we need a president in there who keeps that momentum going because it is not as if that problem is going to go away anytime soon. ultimately, what i would like to see is congress pass criminal justice reform legislation, that would systematically lower the prison time for nonviolent drug offenses, emphasize diversion programs, think about how we can rehabilitate those who have actually gone through the penal system so that they're getting the education they need and can stay off -- stay out of trouble,

but rather can be productive tax paying citizens. so the good news is, hillary clinton has signed up for all these issues, she is prepared to do it. she has the background to do it. mr. trump has an entirely different approach. his attitude is to drum up fear and suggest somehow that we're in the midst of this crime wave when in fact crime today is as low as it has been since the 1960s. there are particular cities like chicago where we're seeing a significant spike in homicides that we have to pay attention to. but what we don't need is a president who is using the issue of crime as a lever, as a signifier in order to get votes and foster fear in the population. >> people are going to vote, this is sunday morning when this will air, and it will be all over radio. what do you want as your closing

argument to be to voters that are saying they're suppressing the vote, i don't know if it matters, what should they know from president barack obama? >> here is what they need to know. i would not have become president unless people turned out to vote. over these last eight years, we have gone from coming close it a great depression to unemployment rate that is 4.9%, created 15 million new jobs, last year we saw the highest jump in incomes that we have seen in 30, 40 years, saw the biggest drop in poverty that we have seen in 30, 40 years, saw a jobs report this week that showed that wages are going up at the fastest pace since before we saw the great recession. we have made so much progress and so many areas, all that is at stake. and i won north carolina in '08

by two votes per precinct. two votes per precinct. and so this notion that your vote doesn't count, you may be one of those two votes that changes the direction of american history. and in this situation, where we have such a stark choice, where we have hillary clinton, somebody who is an outstanding public servant, knows her stuff, is as experienced as anybody has ever been for this office, who has served in my administration, i've seen her up close, who has fought the good fight her entire life, who has put forward probably the most progressive platform in history, and is committed to making sure that she builds on the progress that we have made over the last eight years and you have another guy who is temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief, unqualified, doesn't know

anything or seem to be concerned about learning basic public policy, who has shown himself to be a bully and willing to discriminate against people, who are not like him, or somehow oppose him, when you have a choice that stark, the idea you would sit on the sidelines is unacceptable. so i am asking everybody who is watching this show, if you have not voted, you've got to go out there and vote. and particularly young people who may have been inspired by bernie but now say hillary is too establishment, somebody who has been marching after a police shooting, and says, well, all politicians are the same, that's not true. the fact of the matter is is that nobody is going to be able from this office, as powerful as it is, to deliver everything to everybody right away. progress is never made

overnight. yes, there are going to be times where compromises need to be made. yes, there is no candidate out there who is going to be perfect on your issue the way you want it done 100% of the time. but you have to look at the choice we have right now, and it could not be starker. and if somebody is not voting right now, who is watching your program, you are voting for donald trump. and if that's the case, then you need to own that you think his ideas and his behavior are okay. i don't. and if you don't, then you not to g got to get off your chair and get out there and vote. the notion that somehow voter suppression is keeping you from voting as systematic as republicans have tried to make voting more difficult for minorities, for democrats, for young people, the truth of the

matter is if you actually want to vote, then you can vote. and it will take you 15 minutes in most cases where you have early vote, if there is no early vote, then, yes, you might have to wait in line for 20 minutes or half an hour to vote. and the question would be why would you disempower yourself, why would you give them that victory if they're trying to keep you from voting by not voting. we disempower ourselves all the time. you can't tell me all those folks who don't vote are doing so because somebody has turned them away or someone intimidated them? no, they decided they had something better to do. and my suggestion would be in this election, at this moment, there is nothing better to do than vote. if you need to know how to vote, go to i will vote.com and it will tell you how to vote, where to vote. and, you know, i am so proud of

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finally, this morning, the obama generation. in my interview, we talked about the impact he's made on young people. starting with an image that has become a symbol of the difference he's made. >> the famous photo of you with

the 5-year-old african-american young boy touching your hair something i think many of us will never forget. what effect do you hope your presidency has on young african-americans for years to come? >> well, you know, michelle and i always say -- we can't judge what impact will have in history, how people will view us ten years from now, 30 years from now, 50 years from now. what we have tried to do is to conduct ourselves in this amazing privileged position, in a way that if children are watching us, then they are receiving the same kinds of values we have been trying to teach our kids. we have tried to make sure that people see us as honest, as working hard, as treating people with respect as being kind to

people and, you know, i hope that children watching are going to see that and say, okay, if i want to achieve something in life, i don't need to be a bully, i don't need to put other people down, i can lift them up. i can serve. and i think i met enough young african-americans and i've now been in office long enough to realize that what i was elected, 10-year-olds are now in college, to know that i think there are young african-american boys who feel like maybe there is nothing they can't achieve if they work hard, that might not have felt that way before my election. i think michelle has inspired a whole bunch of young african-american girls to know you can be beautiful and strong and confident and be a great mom

and be a great speaker and be a lawyer and so you don't have any limits. but what i also hope, al, is that there are a lot of white kids and latino kids and asian kids and gay kids who have heard us and watched us and they too have felt like the world is big enough for them and their ideas and their vision and their creativity. and that they can achieve their dreams, not based on their last name or what they look like, but based on what they do. and how useful and hard working they are. and that is in some ways just as important. what i ultimately believe is

that america's strength is that we come from everywhere. and we had this ideal that has been breached many times in the past, but we keep on getting closer and closer to, where you're judged on the content of your character. and having a little white girl come up to michelle and say, you know, i really admire you means she's looking through different eyes. she doesn't think, well, i can't admire michelle obama because she doesn't look like me, she's seeing michelle obama and saying i can admire you because you are a little girl too once and look what you were able to achieve. and that change in mind set is a powerful thing. >> president owe barack obama for just about eight years now transformed a lot in this

country. where it will go will be up to what you and i do on this tuesday. it is very, very clear that there are two different roads being offered by the presidential candidates, but also the down ballot, the senate, the congress, where are we going from here? we saw where this president was transformative, we see those that want to change it or those that want to maintain it. you have no excuse. but not to make sure you vote, whoever you vote for, don't allow this moment to not have your input. people fought for you to have that right. use it. that does it for me. thanks for watching. stephanie rule is up next. i'll see you back here next sunday. changes to make things right.

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