he was not easy. who is that? is that the mayor that showed up? that rudy? oh, rudy got up here. another great man who has man w really a friend to me, but i'll tell you, i got to know him as a competitor because he was one of the folks that was negotiating to go against those democrats, dr. ben carson. where's been? where is ben? by the way, mike huckabee is here someplace, and he is fantastic. mike and his familiar bring sarah, thank you very much. general mike flynn. where is mike? and general kellogg. we have over 200 generals and

admirals that have endorsed our campaign and there are special people. we have 22 congressional medal of honor people. a very special person who, believe me, i read reports that i wasn't getting along with him. i never had a bad second with him. he's an unbelievable star. he is -- that's right, how did you possibly guess? let me tell you about reince. i've said reince. i know it. i know it. look at all of those people over there. i know it, reince is a superstar. i said, they can't call you a superstar, reince, unless we win it. like secretariat. he would not have that bust at the track at belmont. reince is really a star and he

is the hardest working guy and in a certain way i did this. reince, come up here. get over here, reince. boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. it's about time you did this right. my god. nah, come here. say something. >> ladies and gentlemen, the next president of the united states, donald trump! thank you. it's been an honor. god bless. thank god. >> you bet. >> amazing guy. our partnership with the rnc was so important to the success and what we've done, so i also have to say, i've gotten to know some incredible people. the secret service people. they're tough and they're smart and they're sharp and i don't

want to mess around with them, i can tell ya. and when i want to go and wave to a big group of people and they rip me down and put me back down in the seat, but they are fantastic people so i want to thank the secret service. and law enforcement in new york city, they're here tonight. these are spectacular people, sometimes under appreciated unfortunately, we we appreciate them. so it's been what they call an historic event, but to be really historic, we have to do a great job and i promise you that i will not let you down. we will do a great job. we will do a great job. i look very much forward to being your president and

hopefully at the end of two years or three years or four years or maybe even eight years you will say so many of you worked so hard for us, with you you will say that -- you will say that that was something that you were -- really were very proud to do and i can -- thank you very much. and i can only say that while the campaign is over, our work on this movement is now really just beginning. we're going to get to work immediately for the american people and we're going to be doing a job that hopefully you will be so proud of your president. you will be so proud. again, it's my honor. it's an amazing evening. it's been an amazing two-year period and i love this country. thank you. thank you very much.

thank you to mike pence. thank you, everybody. >> as donald trump spoke, you might have seen the graphic change at the bottom of the screen after declaring him the apparent winner in wisconsin, after declaring him the apparent winner in pennsylvania. nbc news is projecting that donald trump has, indeed, been elected president of these united states as he goes down the line greeting family and now friends including new jersey governor chris christie, kellyanne conway and steve

bannon. >> the trump world that we're seeing here, represented here, a lot of the key figures, david bossey, on the left side of your screen, a famous anti-clinton warrior of the '90s. he was one of these guys that was down in arkansas prowling through the clinton's past to try to find scandals about them. he was brought on board as the donald trump deputy campaign manager after kellyanne conway brought on board. she was brought on board at the same time as steve bannon. steve bannon, a publisher of a very, very, very conservative website called breitbart which is seen as being sort of the fringe conservative publication, but he brought a lot of the ethos of that fringe into the trump campaign. that's what gave a lot of its edge. a lot of trump's critics and his opponents found that edge particularly unnerving,

especially on issues around race, religion and gender, but they did what they said they were going to do all along. >> and there is that song that has come on at the end of every trump speech all this election cycle, you can't always get what you want by the rolling stones, however, tonight it appears donald trump has gotten what he wanted and corrected sizeable resources, time, money and resources to get as he works the rope line for the first time as president-elect con nald j. trump of new york. chris matthews? >> well, i did think there was a message there. noga talking the media, the usual rants. none of the negativity we've heard from him tonight. i do think he was probably warned by whoever around him has an i.q. that the world markets are going nuts and his first job

as president-elect is to deal with that. i do think he offered somewhat modifying thoughts of what he's going to do as president. certainly didn't suggest anything scary. i think he's aware of the current situation that people are scared to death of his presidency. when bill clinton was elected in '92. we were with the republican business types and they became enamored of bill clinton. they weren't afraid of him. he sat down and talked about economic policy, somewhat centrist policy and obviously trump has a lot more ground to cover there in terms of reaching something more conventional in terms of -- but infrastructure, he talked about that. he talked about having partnerships with other countries. he didn't talk about being unfair to them or screwing them in terms of trade deals. he did say all the right things.

that will be picked up in the press tonight but what a strange event. seeing him with david baasy seeing him with david bannon and chris christie who has his own problems and certainly rudy giuliani who said some strange things, who said things about life on this plan threat. hillary clinton had a health problem, couldn't serve as president. she's going to jail. i mean, think about the commitments he made about jailing hillary clinton if he gets elected. you heard none of that tonight in his victory speech. let's hope that's a good sign. brian? >> nicole wallace? >> reporter: rachel gave me a present once. she bought me a website news of cruz. i'm going to make a t-shirt that come on set with you that says, don't blame me, i voted for her. i think that steve's analysis is right. he took down the democratic party and the republican party tonight, but he won. he has a mandate from the

people. he won a rather dramatic and sweeping victory and he didn't lose. you know, i mean, enough women -- i was watching this gender gap all through the entire general election and white women, i think older white women over 45 really did turn out for him. there was something about her. and i brought up joe biden earlier, john kerry did this before. there are -- there were other people who had probably considered making this run and the commentary all along had been that she might have been the only person to lose to him and he might have been the only person to lose to her. and that was sort of of the -- that's kind of the snide things that pundants say that make people hate us as much as they do, but it turned out to be the case with him. that she had enough vul ner bills. she becomes the 17th person that he's successfully branded. he started with low ended jeb

and crooked hillary. >> what that translates into as a president, that's -- that's a -- what you're identifying is a key political skill that was never identified as a political skill before he used it as such a good effect. it's not translated into how you govern. >> no. >> the only thing we know about how he's going to govern is what he says he's going to do. >> the world stage is so different. he's alarmed would be an understatement to be his state of mind. this is going to be a high wire act and people are scared. people of are scared because of the set of policies and things he said he's going to do. as much concern i think should lay at the feet of the fact that

people picked him and that this is where the country was. we so dramatically and terribly misread. we thought these things would disqualify him. we thought you couldn't say these things about muslims. i thought you couldn't say these things about dividing zblus about john mccain. >> right. >> about women. >> there were inartful comments about ptsd. it was gaffe after gaffe after gaffe. it's more than people taking him literally. it was a window into a very crass man's heart. >> donald john trump has been elected 45th president of the united states. the morning papers have revised their headlines. "new york times" proclaims trump triumphs. outsider mogul captures the presidency stunning clinton in battleground states and then some. "usa today" calls him simply president trump.

their subhead. in stunning upset billionaire candidate scores white house victory. wall street journal in a noncharacteristic multi-type point. populus surge lifts trump to upset. they also call him president trump. steve schmidt? >> reporter: we're looking at president-elect of the united states walking -- working the rope line as someone who has just assumed awesome responsibility and at noon on january 20th will take a 35-word oath and assume awesome power. he is the most powerful man in the world now. we have a country that remains very divided politically. he said all of the right things tonight. he was gracious towards secretary clinton as he must be, as he's required to be. he reached out internationally where as nicole pointed out

there is a lot of concern. he'll be dealing with global markets in free fall tomorrow. the next part of the choreography here will be a visit with president obama in the oval office to be greeted by the commander in chief, and the process now begins that's gone uninterrupted in this country since 1797 where we transfer power peacefully and though for many of us quite improbably donald trump has been elected president of the united states, our nation's fate is inexorably tied to his success at this hour. you know, all-americans, including those who didn't support him, were offended, were appalled should be wishing him well at this hour. >> eugene, the proper way to address him according to tradition and not law starting tonight is mr. president-elect

though -- >> yeah. >> -- john roberts will be the first american to address him as mr. president. if it doesn't sink in in the intervening days, it will in january. >> this is going to take a lot of sinking in, it really is. as i process this day and this evening, it's really hard to get beyond oh, my god, that this not only improbable thing happened but, i mean, to be frank, it feels potentially cataclysmic but obviously we have to hope that it isn't. we have to hope that somehow this works out. we will have a lot of time to figure out how this happened and why we didn't see it and the

voters who came out who weren't detected by the polls, but i think right now we have to look toward this new administration and what is it going to be like? as steve said, the first test is going to be dealing with the financial chaos and anxiety, high anxiety that seems to have been caused by his election. he's got to calm that. and he's got to put together a cabinet. he's got to formulate policies that are more than off the cuff, gee, i like this guy or i can't stand that woman or germany seems nice. that's about the -- no, that's about the depth and sophistication of the foreign policy ideas that he gave us. >> in terms of the market response that you're describing, jim, we do have a little bit of information about that because it's late enough now with the time difference, the european markets are starting to open. the ftse in the u.k. is down 2%.

france's equivalent exchange is down nearly 3%. the italy equivalent is down more than 2% at this point. we had seen an american market futures, we had seen these huge plunges even to the point where a couple of different indexes were actually halted because they appeared to be in -- they went into crash protection mode before they re-opened. with the opening of the markets and some of our closest allies you're seeing the world engage in a collective financial freakout from this news from the united states. >> what the world is freaking out is what he says about trade. this immediate nose dive, that will probably bounce back, i guess, but what happens over the longer term as people try to come to terms, as he comes to terms with a view on the world's free trade regime that is a

radical departure from his presence. >> let's not forget post war alliances and nuclear weapons. our chief foreign correspondent richard engel who is in a unique position to judge world reaction joins us, a rare home leave visit here in new york tonight. richard? >> well, i wanted to come here because i wanted to see the international reaction to this event. we're already getting some. a british new hampshire, telegraph, saying, dear god, america, what have you done? the german defense minister says this was a huge shock. the french far right leader la pen congratulated trump. i think that's significant because internationally now the united states seems to have entered that camp of right wing leaders, countries that are led by narcissists, part of a trend that led to frankly the brexit, what we're seeing in the

philippines, what we're seeing in turkey, a rise of strong men again in the middle east. and that is deeply concerning. when you see world markets reacting negatively, tanking on the news of a new election, i think it shows a complete lack of confidence. i think it's because they have experienced probably more than this country has what happens when you elect people who put themselves first and feel that they're at the center of the universe. this has happened many times. strong men leaders always do until they don't get what they want. we'll have to see what happens when challenged. >> richard, you also are incredibly well sourced in terms of national security and military and especially the global reach of the u.s. military and our allies. i'm wondering if you're hearing any sort of response in terms of national security folks and military response? >> i've been talking to very

senior military people for the last several months about this issue specifically, and some of them were asking, can they continue? can they stay in their jobs and work for this man? what happens, they wondered out loud to me, if they're ordered to go round up millions of people and put them on trains and deport them from this country. do they follow that order? is this order moral? some of them have been picking up the constitution and going through it. they're facing very serious deep questions about what the nature of the military will be in this country under president trump and some were saying, well, they should stay on in order to make sure that the ship doesn't crash and others felt that they just had to leave or are considering leaving. we will see if they do that. >> donald trump now famously said, our generals have been

reduced to rubble. so lawrence donald has joined us. >> i'm glad to hear that people are checking their constitutions. the founding fathers anticipated donald trump. they feared tyrants. they designed a separation of powers of government in which all of the true powers belong to congress, that those can then be reviewed by the courts. the congress has surrendered a tremendous amount of war making power to the presidency after world war ii when it found war making questions too politically difficult, but they can take those back. and so tonight we look at the constitution and say, what does the constitution tell us about what donald trump can do in terms of what he said he will do? and he can't do almost all of what he said he will do. just to pick one thing that he said tonight in terms of

domestic governments, and that is rebuild our infrastructure. i know chris gets very excited when he hears donald trump say that. it isn't going to happen. he hasn't paid attention to paul ryan's house of representatives. that's called a spending bill, and our infrastructure hasn't been rebuilt because the republican congress will not spend any money on that. and donald trump isn't going to make that money appear magically for this republican congress so that isn't going to happen because it's a congressional power that we're talking about. and pretty much everything else he has talked about is controlled by congress and we will see. what chuck shu mur said earlier will be able to limit this presidency to because that minority in the senate will be strong enough to filibuster virtually anything. we have pamela harris coming in from california as some freshen energy to the democratic senate. there will be others. and we will see exactly what the

democratic side of the senate is capable of doing in editing the trump presidency. >> lawrence, what do you think in terms of your intense knowledge of how things will be work in the legislative branch? what do you think about this vengeance minded donald trump if that stays the same about him and he comes in as president and essentially does not want paul ryan to be speaker of the house. he may not want mitch mcconnell to be leader. how much real pull can he have if he wants to essentially overthrow the republican leadership and install his own? >> virtually none. the question becomes if you don't want paul ryan to be the speaker of the house, who do you want? >> some freedom caucus guy. how many votes does that person have versus paul ryan. the president will have virtually no influence on that. if he wants to make an enemy of paul ryan, he's going to discover that the speaker of the house on a daily basis is more powerful than the president on

all things except the targeting of missiles. >> declaration of war, nominees for the supreme court and the like. steve schmidt, about the next period, the period between tonight, the declaration that he is president president-elect. what happens within the party you have called home? >> i think it's a very good question. look, the republican party remains divided and insurgency has taken it over. the reagan coalition died tonight. the orthodoxies of the conservative project that ran in a continuum from goldwater to buckley to reagan have

collapsed. the free trade consensus. the belief in these post-war institutions globally that have preserved the liberal order, not for nothing. i think it's important to understand that we're at an hour with the last of the world war ii generation is dying. that they're passing on. we're moving beyond the point of living memory from a global catastrophe that killed 85 million people and the peace of the world. we've seen from the last 70 years is abnormal in the history of the world. so when you talk about undermining nato, undermining the collective security agreements, saying that maybe the japanese and the koreans should have their own nuclear weapons which are positioned, very quickly adopted by the far right nationalist elements in those countries, there will be a coalition of republicans and democrats in the united states senate that will work to

obstruct that. but what we saw tonight is the shattering of a political coalition on the republican side as well as a massive repudiation of clintonism and the democratic party. so we now know when lawrence talks about camela harris, we just saw the last baby boom jerp presidential nominee of the democratic party. there will be generational change within the democratic party. it's at its weakest point from the last 100 years. how politics shapes out from this is anyone's guess. >> chris matthews, there was a powerful sentence in there, the forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. that's powerful if you're feeling forgotten. >> well, there's no doubt. i mean, all -- well, not everybody. i'm not going to speak for anybody else, but i was wrong

about the strength. i always saw -- i think about the trump guy as an nfl game and these are right guy wearing jobbers like tum russert rooting for the buffalo bills. it's about their psyche. their eagles, steelers, green bay, vikings and they just get into this thing of -- it's like that's all they've got. it's like in the movie. secret linings or silver linings playbook. it's like they put all their money on this guy. it's a thing we're going to have to understand, and i think what happened, i think james car very was here earlier. i just think what happened, there was a movement, whatever you want to call it, maybe we'll have to call it that now. against the republican establishment, centrist establishment, all of that. there wasn't much there to offer

an alternative. that's why i go to infrastructure. i think in the end whatever he does, whatever the democrats want him to do in the end, it will have to do with something to rebuild the country. we are in terrible shape. >> with what money? >> i know the argument. i know. no, no -- >> there's a reason -- >> i know in the end. >> republicans won't do it. that's why they haven't done it. >> we'll see. we'll see what they do under him. my argument is of course congress controls the pursestrings of of course there will have to be a public/private partnership. >> roads aren't a public/private partnership. they are your tax money, that's all they are. >> airports, certainly penn station has to be rebuilt. if you travel the world, the chinese, japanese, europeans, everybody has everything rapid and modern and we don't. >> tax money. that the republicans will not raise or spend. >> if you want to argue that argument, i can accept that. i will offer the positive

argument that you may be wrong, that's all. >> that the money will appear -- this is a trump dream you're offering here. >> no. no. >> of infrastructure paid for with money that we don't have. >> he's saying that the republican party and its strategy disappears and they all do what trump wants. >> i'm saying this. that we go to war. we find the money and we do it. >> no, we don't. we went to war on a tax cut and we didn't pay for it. that's another world you're talking about. >> borrowing. >> these republicans have ended that. >> borrowing at 2% isn't that hard. >> just to go back. those guys that you were talking about who go and root for the hopeless team and because it's what they do, trump appealed to them by saying not just i'm going to make america great again but that the problem is those immigrants, the problem is those muslims, the problem is

those people in the inner cities. you know, so how does -- that's what we're left with. does he -- does he knit that back together. does he exacerbate? >> it's not generic. >> i need to call a brief time-out because we are welcoming some audience from our nbc stations now that we have reached the -- really the start of the morning. the day after election day. we welcome those joining our live coverage continuing here on msnbc. we look at our electronic superimposed map of the nation on home ice here out back "30 rock" fell ler plaza in new york where the sun will be rising on the president-elect donald john trump of queens new york and fifth avenue new york more recently. one of the things we'll have to get used to, the northern white

house, i guess, will be here in mid town manhattan unambiguously with his name on the side. now a very highly defended secret service location and donald trump and the extended family we saw tonight will be moving into 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> the suspense is over in a big way. there are still some things. minnesota, michigan, new hampshire, arizona. we don't have a bottom line in terms of the popular vote. it is possible as we're heading into these late -- these last calls, these last tallies coming in that hillary clinton may have won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote which has its own sort of -- you see how close they are there in the national popular vote. less than 1 million votes between them. still a lot of votes to count, itically on the west coast where

hillary clinton did really well. we may see a division here with donald trump winning the electoral vote. in 2016 they won the popular vote but not the presidency. >> katie tur who was along for all of the ride in this campaign is at the new york hilton where the crowd is breaking up and the flags will be taken down. katie, your reaction after what you witnessed today and tonight? >> oh, what a long, strange trip it's been, brian. i've been doing this now, as you mentioned, for 17, 18 months. frankly, i've lost track of the months that i've been on the campaign trail. i've been a witness what donald trump wants to call, likes to call a movement. that movement coming into

fruition tonight. from city to city, from crowd to crowd, the anger was palpable. the frustration was palpable but there were also a number of crowds who were jubilant. it was kind of like a rock concert meets religious revival. for the most part the crowds were made up of white people, very few hispanics, very few african-americans along the way. as we got closer to election day they got very angry. these crowds were not pleased and the chance we heard and some of the rhetoric we heard, not just from donald trump but from his supporters really shocked the political system. yesterday in manchester, new hampshire, at his penultimate rally, a man while governor pence was speaking talking about hillary clinton, a man yelled out assassinate that "b" word. even following trump and hearing all that i have heard certainly

sent shock waves through me, assassinate somebody. and that sort of rhetoric wasn't even though i was surprised, it shouldn't have surprised me because we've seen so much of that on the campaign trail. i've tried to talk to the campaign about it and i've tried to talk to rudy giuliani today about that sort of anger and where it goes and how do they harness it? is donald trump able to do that by coming on stage and giving a gracious concession speech and saying that we all do need to work together and inviting those who disagree with him to talk to him about it and talk to him why. is that going to be the first step in what is going to be a long, hard process in mending the chasm in this country? i don't know what will happen next because frankly donald trump is so hard to predict. the campaign can't quite give a clear answer to that either. also, when it comes to his supporters, remember, donald trump has made some pretty grand promises on the campaign trail,

especially for the first few days to 100 days that he's been in office. the other day in gettysburg he said he was going to sue all of the female accusers who have come out and accused him of inappropriate behavior or grabbing him in a sexual way. he has said policy wise he wants to build a wall. he's talked about a muslim ban. he's talked about ripping up the iran deal. ending obamacare on day one. these are things that are difficult to do alone, even with executive orders. he does now have a republican congress on his side, both the senate and the house, and something of a mandate because he's defied all political norms and defied politics, period. hasn't really taken with the republican party or the democrats for that matter. where does he go? can he fulfill those promises? if he does not, do his supporters hold it against him? >> katie tur at the new york

hilton. thank you for that. casey hunt is here with us in our new york newsroom doing her own reporting. casey? >> brian, i think one story that we haven't talked about too much yet tonight is what happens to the democratic party going forward? there was a lot of, you know, angst and discussion of republicans, their autopsy, they were never going to win another presidential election. now we're waking up and they control the white house and the house and the senate still. and it's the democrats who are left, you know, frankly with a lot of leaders in place for a long time. i would argue hillary clinton represents that same vein of leadership. not a terribly deep bench of young, dynamic people. there are a handful. swromp on her vice presidential

strong hold. they have the energy and youth and not a lot of experience in this -- honestly, what's left of the clintonian democratic party. >> casey, let's talk about mike pence who suddenly takes on so much power and prestige. yes, in a titular way because he is vice president-elect but also as the veteran legislator with current contacts. >> i think mike pence has a chance to make the vice presidency something that, quite frankly, it hasn't been at least in recent memory. he is somebody who, as you say, understands these institutions. i covered him. he thought about running for president back in 2012.

at that point he was kind of the favorite of religious conservatives. that's how he ser of the donald tru trump, that donald trump doesn't have a natural feel for. i think he and paul ryan are likely to spend a lot of time crafting policy. as katie just walked through, part of why the markets are so uncertain, is that he has talked in mostly vague terms about what he will actually do. there are a lot of questions will how that gets executed. the people are going to help fill in those blanks are going to be mike pence working hand in hand with speak jury paul ryan going forward. >> casey, thank you. for viewers just joining us or still with us, we are not ignoring the other elephant in the room still occurring to all of the people for whom this news is fresh. that is the total failure of all modes, methods of prediction, the total failure of infect

participant measurement politically in this country. no one had this right, and there will be time to deconstruct that as well. steve kornacki is at the board to tell us how donald trump won and was tonight declared the president-elect. >> i was just thinking back to when we were at this board a few months ago when donald trump got declared the presumptive republican nominee. we were asking the question that night could donald trump actually get elected president? one of the things we were talking about, well, if he does win, he'd probably have to cut a path we haven't seen a republican cut before. taking a big picture look at the red/blue map. first of all, donald trump is over 270. he's the president-elect. take a look at virginia. virginia's blue tonight. this was a bastian of the republican south for generations. it wasn't until 2008 when barack obama flipped virginia.

that was a huge achievement for democrats. they barely held onto it four years ago. if you had said four years ago that a republican is going to win back the white house in 2016 and not carry the state of virginia, that would have been unfathomable. check this out, pennsylvania, the upper midwest here, pennsylvania has gone republican. 1988 is the last time pennsylvania went for a republican. they have all gone in that state. george bush sr. in 1992, bob dole in '96, george w. bush, john mccain, excuse me, mitt romney have all said i'm going to be the republican who flips pennsylvania. it's donald trump. michigan, right now hillary clinton is losing in michigan. it's not official. we haven't called it yet. michigan, 1988, last time. george butch sr. wisconsin, donald trump has won it. ronald regan over walter

mondale. donald trump is within a point in minnesota. it's doubtful donald trump is going to catch her. a republican hasn't won minnesota since 1972. donald trump needed the south. donald trump needed florida and traditional states. we have seen a brand-new way of thinking about looking at this electoral map. it goes through the rust belt and upper midwest. this is a white working class path that donald trump forged. >> that's fascinating. the thing i think we're all reflecting now is that all of us here sitting at this desk, we've all heard from people on the trump campaign over the past couple of months saying that maine second congressional district, there's a reason we keep going to maine. to see them take pa, to see them take wisconsin, to see them within a shot at minnesota, it's not true that everybody's polling was wrong.

theirs was right apparently because they knew to go to those places. there's a reason donald trump went to minneapolis and told that city that they ought to be scared of their so he molly immigrants this week. he thought he had a chance at spiking that white vote. whatever else was going on in public polling that made that look ridiculous, that was right. >> casey hunt has heard from the democrats. it sounds like we are going to hear from hillary clinton tomorrow morning or i guess today. >> today. little later. >> in a few hours, but in the morning on wednesday morning to hear what we presume will be a concession speech. she called donald trump to concede this race. we don't have any more details at this point but we do know she's overnighting in manhattan. we can imagine it's likely to be somewhere nearby. >> casey, thank you.

back to rachel's point. we heard all of this on conference calls with officials from the trump campaign. it was all there. it was countered by the clinton campai campaign and by public polling. >> he stiffed his official public pollster to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. i think one other thing, this will go down as an interesting side bar of this election reporting, but one of the things that happened today which i think was a little bit unnerving to all of us who are used to the way we handle exit polls and how careful we are with that information, making sure there are no projections before all polls are closed. this year a couple of medium --

i will say in almost every instance, those numbers that they put out in terms of who was going to win those states based on that observable data all day long, those numbers were wrong. they gave much higher numbers for hillary clinton than what she ended up with and much lower numbers for donald trump. this was the democratization of data. everybody has as good information as the campaigns. that was a failure. >> garbage in, garbage out. the numbers were bad. >> the official exit polls weren't bad but the other ways that people were trying to model a day of result was bust. >> this campaign got hit with a couple of rockets that we've never seen in the history of presidential campaigning. we've had exactly one candidate who was under a publicly

announced fbi investigation. exactly one. that's a liability and softening of that candidate no matter how that goes. then we have the director of the fbi make an entrance into the campaign. it's so late in the campaign that it's impossible for polling to grab whatever just happened and did something just happen to reverse the first effect of the first fbi letter? we don't know. so the idea that polling could track exactly what was going on with the fbi effect on this campaign is a real shock. >> especially with the amount of early voting happening while that was going on. >> don't you think that -- you know, a lot of those people who voted for trump weren't voting for trump. they weren't voting against hillary clinton. >> well, the word is this depressing news for people leaning towards clinton and so

that's the part that you don't know. >> seems to me, we'll look at the numbers, seemed to me the clinton side kind of got out the vote. more people came out. >> conflicting information today in terms of the numbers of people that turned out. we don't yet know. starting to look like it may be an overall low turnout election. >> what trump did, you used the way he used somali immigrants as a foil. he was talking to people of duluth, in the hinter lands of minnesota who have a different idea about minneapolis and what's happening there. he did that with chicago the way he referred to violence in chicago and the inner cities as -- you know, as a way of appealing to people who didn't live anywhere near inner cities. but he sort of used people of

color as a foil during the entire campaign. >> the other thing the trump campaign always understood is there is no such thing as a local event, especially in the trump campaign. they're all nationally televised events. when you're going to talk about somalis in minnesota, that's being heard everywhere else you want it to be heard. >> what happened tonight, a repudiation of let's discuss 2012 rnc autopsy report. there is a vision, one that i subscribe to, if you want to win a presidential election, it's the george w. bush model. you have to be up 43, 44% into hispanic votes, dismiss out of hand the notion that there was a population of white ruling voters that could be brought to bear outside their normal turnout numbers. it was just wrong. so an colter, people have said

we're a bunch of losers, weak. >> rhinos. >> they were right about it, but here's the thing. all of the people -- if you said to george w. bush, mr. president, i think we should go to minneapolis and scare up the white voters with the somali -- he would have thrown you out of the oval office. all of the normal boundaries are off. it was politics as warfare at a level that this was not ever seen before. >> chris matthews, how come when steve schmidt makes that argument, you say it's okay. >> which one? >> the one he just did. >> it is what he did. he did spike the white vote. >> when you mentioned about that reporter, the comments from the pittsburgh paper, what people heard and acted upon, they wanted a better country. i want to talk about that in a

mt. i have a big thought here. it has to do with that. >> i am told we are going to skip through the break. make your case. >> we've always counted on in our democracy our basic host to democracy is skill and winning the presidency would be applicable to being president. we thought we saw this with roosevelt, with everybody since in the modern media since teddy roosevelt. if you have the equipment to win the presidential election, you put it together to figure out what you need. that would be the best way to pick the best president. so here we are with a guy who's done it in a totally awful way. my determination to be optimistic is to try to say -- to try to figure it is the talent he's showing raw talent stirring up hatred and all the other things in terms of identifying markets, finding out if there's a market for

anti-trade, market for anti-immigration, stupid wars. in putting all of that together in a bouquet of politics and then find a way to do it electrically. i got a call last night from kellyanne. are they going to carry pennsylvania? i'm not sure they did have a sophisticated system. >> asking if they were going to win the city. the fact that they were polling this way, what do you hear, what do you hear? that's pretty old time. i know we are going to disagree about some of these things. i am determined to find some optimistic statement here. there must be some talent here. i'm going to wait and see the next couple of days, is he going to recoil everything he said because it was a game. all of the ethnic antagonism that he made, is he going to

pull back on that, that got me where i want to get. i don't need that anymore. what i need now is calm, confidence building america urs that i can actually have a chance of building this economy back up again. he has to change the number of partners. do the brains that got this guy elected president tonight apply to being president? i leave it as a president. i hope there's some connection. otherwise we have a ding bat as president. we're just in to doomsday right now. i'm just not ready to accept that sort of notion right now in my head. i have to think there's got to be a pony in this crap pile. >> because somebody had to create the crap? >> don't forget, he was a celebrity. eisenhower, the last non-politician elected --

>> right. >> -- won the titanic struggle for the planet and came home a real time celebrity. >> right. >> for all of the right reasons. this network devoted years of programming and promotional support to a reality show that was mold breaking for the time and contributed largely to making this new york developer, builder, licensor, landlord, investor successful guy into a global celebrity and brand, a brand. >> that's true. >> who sells brand-name licensed products with his name on t. just one of the things we've never seen. >> let me put one to you, general electric theater. he was number three one year. he used that. so i think media celebrity, eisenhower of course was a real

hero. he wasn't a celebrity. he eluded and evaded the mainstream media of the time who didn't see him coming in many of the same ways. we have three minutes remaining. this is the time for real wisdom. lightning round. >> you're going to want to skip me. if you want real wisdom, i don't have that to offer at this hour. i will say though that i do think that this is a moment, however you feel about this election, to keep in your heart. some of the communities that are not represented here on this set who have been directly threatened by donald trump in a way that nobody in this kind of position of power has ever threatened groups of americans before. muslim americans, latino americans, immigrants documented and otherwise are in fear for what this country did and what the country needs. that's a responsibility we have

on all of us now regardless of what trump does with this power he's just been given. >> rachel, america is crying tonight. i'm not sure how much of america, but a significant portion. i mean literally crying. i've gotten phone calls about a daughter in tears. i know of another one i'm hearing from elsewhere and some of the people you were just talking about are crying from california to massachusetts about this. this is a sadness. this is a mourning moment for those people. and it is a moment filled with fear, filled with fear. donald trump, thankfully i don't think instilled any more fear tonight in his speech. it wasn't one of those speeches that have that kind of stuff in it, but he has a job to do. what we saw happen in the stock market is happening in the hearts of americans. they are afraid. donald trump has to address that. >> steve? >> he's no longer the "celebrity

apprentice" guy. he's no longer the bomb bass stick nonsense spewing presidential nominee. he is president-elect of the united states with all the awesome powers and responsibilities that will come with that office. and we've seen a side of him in this campaign that gives pause to worry greatly, but now maybe we'll see another side of donald j. trump as he gets ready to assume this office and we just have to hope that's the case. >> some of the supporters, not all the people that voted for him, took donald trump and what he was saying as a license for bigotry. they saw him providing an umbrella under which they could be as racist as they wanted to be to be perfectly blunt. he needs to cut that out and he needs to cut that out now. >> i was just going to say, i had this at my side, the bible of american politics. the almanac of american

politics. how much of this has been just rendered useless tonight. >> let it be the first book we burn. >> what new chapter have we written here together? ari melburg continues our live coverage. thank you, partner. >> appreciate it. >> thank you to all our family members.

live from msnbc headquarters continuing our historic live coverage. donald trump is now the president-elect of the united states. indeed, a short time ago he spoke in the hilton ballroom in mid town manhattan. >> we're going to get to work immediately for the american people. and we're going to be doing a job that hopefully you will be so proud of your president. you'll be so proud. >> close race late io