tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily" back down in washington. for now hardball starts right now. >> brave new world. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm kris matthews up in new york. well, the election is over, of course, and donald trump will be the next president of the united states. proving nearly all the polls wrong, trump wracked up victories in states like pennsylvania, wisconsin, ohio, and florida. but trump is on track to become short of a popular vote victory by a fraction of a percentage point. meanwhile, from half the country, shock and despair at the reality that is now playing out. today president obama promised a gracious transfer of power to the man who once questioned his

legitimacy and birthplace. the two men will meet face-to-face in the white house tomorrow. it's an epic challenge now facing trump, whose scorched earth campaigneft lasting wounds, even in his own party. last night the president-elect promised to fight for unity. >> hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time. and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country. i mean that very sincerely. now it's time for america to bind the wounds of division. we have to get together. to all republicans and democrats and independents across this nation, i say it is time for us to come together as one united people. >> well, in an emotional speech today in new york city, hillary clinton offered to work with donald trump to bridge the

divide in the country. >> many of you are at the beginning of your professional public and political careers. you will have successes and setbacks too. this loss hurts, but please, never stop believing that fighting for what's right is worth it. [ applause ] to all the women and especially the young women who put their faith in this campaign and in me, i want you to know that nothing has made me prouder than to be your champion. [ applause ] >> well, it was a magnificent speech by her today. it was powerful, strong. she never lost it, except for that one moment when she was talk about being a champion. it was an amazing performance. if anyone wants to study the speech, they should do it. just read it online today or in

a paper tomorrow morning. read what she said. it was so powerful. she spoke directly to young people, especially young women who felt disappointed by the results. >> donald trump is going to be our president. we owe him an open mind and the chance to lead. our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power, and we don't just respect that, we cherish. >> nbc's katy tur joins me right now along with casey up on capitol hill, where a lot of action is going to occur the next year or so. let me ask you about because you know trump. we were all surprised. i don't mind using the word weak. maybe there should be some form of punishment to use a trump phrase for our pollsters. some form of punishment. they were all wrong, all of them. the question is were the trump people inside, did they know it was going to go in their direction? >> no. because their internal polling -- it depends on who you

ask. a couple of the aides who had been with him since the beginning say they saw this movement in a way that nobody else. they crisscrossed the country. they saw these lines, and they had a gut feeling. they talked to these people. they saw it with their eyes. they felt it with their hands. and they understood it. the people who were coming on a little later and relied a little more on polling and data were surprised by this. internally, their polling showed that he was going to lose going into election day. and i can give you a timeline actually. at 8:00, when they started having questions surrounding michigan, that's when they started feeling better. and then around i think 10:30, when fox news called florida, they felt extremely good. they were basically watching the momentum change as the country was watching the momentum change. 1:36 this morning when the associated press called pennsylvania, that is when they knew they had it. >> and why did they know to go to michigan and campaign so hard in a state that had been considered not even on the list of possibilities? >> well, clearly their analytics

did show there was a weakness for hillary clinton, and the democrats in michigan. they understood that the american worker felt left behind by globalization. and donald trump managed to tap into that anger in a way that others just frankly did not see. he understood the trade deals working against them, jobs moving oversea. he had a very simple message from the get-go. make america great again. it caught hold. it ran off like wildfire. and the american worker, the blue collar worker if you will, even more than that across this country, even in the bluest states agreed with it. >> cassia, what do you know about new york today? i walked up and down manhattan, wearing my old clothes i thought, connecting with people, getting stopped everywhere. the sense of despair is a good word for it among new yorker, many of them progressive politically. but more than that blown away by something they never thought was going to happen last night.

>> i think that that's correct, chris. and i have talked to a lot of friends and sources and people that i know who work in and around hillary clinton's campaign or democratic politics, and nobody knows what to do next. these are people who were talking about what job am i going to have in the cabinet? what neighborhood in washington am i going to buy my house when this campaign is all over. these were people who were fully planning to be celebrating all night long on tuesday night, whether they were staff or reporters who had been covering this campaign for a listening time. i think that extended to hillary clinton herself very much. and i think that's why you didn't see her take the stage at javits, instead waiting to pull herself and you played a little bit of the speech that she gave. i think, look, chris, there is a real reckoning coming down the pike for democrats. we've seen so much splintering

and civil war, et cetera, call it what you want in the republican party. the democratic party is about to be in for something similar. they went with a candidate who had plenty of flaws that everybody was very well aware of, but somebody who was next in line, who made sure that there was no one else to challenge her this time around. they of course learned that lesson in 2008. and the result has been the creation of a party that doesn't have a very deep, young talented bench of people. and instead what you have are a lot of angry progressives backed mostly by millennials and some older whites that we saw out on the trail with bernie sanders. they are people who see elizabeth warren as a hero, who see bernie sanders as a hero, and who quite frankly are in the mood to tell the clinton campaign, i told you so. and they have not hesitated to say that. >> so the party should have run a more proifg candidate. the other case if they had ran people more like joe biden. >> yes. >> i have heard that argument. biden, because of his gaffes

over the years would have been pummelled i think by the regular media. the mainstream media would have pummelled the guy as they have done for years. who is to know what would have worked. but i'm sure the bernie people have a right to say it could have been us because we could have done better. we would have had more of a reason to be president than hillary would, right? >> i think the argument in favor of bernie is passion and authencity in addition to the actual ideology that underscores his ideas. i think people, especially young people are really looking for something who they don't feel like is saying hey, i'm calculating to figure out what you want so that i can give it to you. so i can sell myself to you. but rather somebody who is saying hey, look, this is who i am. i'm a 74-year-old white guy with frizzy hair. like it. take it or leave it. >> kasie, you're smart. you really. i think that's what's missing. since mondale, i can remember this has just been people who assemble all the interest groups in the democratic party, labor,

teacher, pro israeli people, put them all together in a big basket, hispanic people, tell them all what they want to hear and figured it's somehow going to come out to 50%. it never happens. it never adds up to 50. you need an extra plus. bill clinton had it, a selling point. obama had it. something beyond simply i'm here telling you what you want to hear. >> and also, i'm better than the alternative. the trump voter were voting for somebody. they voted for donald trump. they weren't voting against hillary clinton per se. and although a lot of them truly despised her, they were voting for trump because they think trump is going to go at the very least shake things up. clinton voters, many of them were voting because they didn't like donald trump. and that is the message that she sent on this campaign. i am better than he is. i am less risky than he is. not here is why you should vote for me. >> i agree. that was the end of the campaign. it was an anti-trump campaign at the end. thank you so much.

you guys should all write books. you know this stuff. it's going to be interesting a year from now. but it's certainly interesting right now. katy tur and kasie hunt. president obama from the rose garden softening some of his own harsh rhetoric about trump from the campaign trail. >> everybody is side when their side loses an election. but the day after we have to remember that we're actually all on one team. this is an intermural scrimmage. we're not democrats first. we're not republicans first. we are americans first. we're patriots first. we all want what's best for this country. that's what i heard from mr. trump's remarks last night. that's what i heard when i spoke to him directly. and i was heartened by that.

that's what the country needs. >> joining me right is ed rendell, the former governor of pennsylvania, michael steele, the former chair of the national republican committee. both are msnbc political analysts. governor, thank you for the help you gave last night in finding out what was going on. the city of philadelphia delivered a almost half million vote for the democratic. you can see what happened to democrats across the country yesterday. >> i think there were two things at play, chris. number one, there was a hidden trump vote. and i've said that all along. i've said it on your show a couple of weeks ago. and i believed it with all my heart, and everybody thought i was crying wolf and it didn't happen. donald trump i knew was going to do one or two points better than he polled, and maybe more. the tremendous turnout he got in rural pennsylvania, it was unprecedented. it was incredible. as good as we did in philadelphia, we beat the 2012 obama turnout in the suburbs. we beat the 2012 obama turnout,

but as good as we did we were overwhelmed by the incredible outpouring that donald trump got in the rural areas of pennsylvania. and secondly, where the polls were really wrong, the last poll, the mulenburg. she won the suburbs 54-46 by 8 points. if she had won by 22, she would have won the state easily. what happened is those republicans, whether it was the comey letter or whether it was naturally coming home, the momentum, what it was, a lot of suburban republicans came home in that four or five-day time period. and that's what cost us the election. >> what the governor just said is what i know anecdotally, montgomery county in that area. either because of the pro-life position they take on abortion rights, or because they're just republicans. but something happened out there. >> it did. >> in the last week or two

possibly. >> governor, that's why when we had our little conversation about your state over the weekend, i was emphasizing so much what was happening around the state outside of the big city of pittsburgh and philadelphia. the rnc, for example, identified 250,000 new voters out of philadelphia, pennsylvania areas like that. that helped. you had the messaging of the trump campaign that touched those very voters in a way that was very real and genuine to them. this was a repudiation by blue collar grassroots types. we used to call them reagan democrats. they came back to the party through trump. >> are they going to be a restraint on him as president? is he going to keep trying to keep them happy? the soft republicans who don't always vote with the leader. can they operate as a restraint on him? >> i think less restraint and more support. because they genuinely believe he is going to be the change

agent that they have long want and have been promised, you know, by obama, by bush, and by others. so trump is in a very unique spot, i think, where the party has to recognize that his base is bigger than their base. >> that can be a little scary to people. >> it can be a little scary to people. certainly institutions are not used to that. >> and governor, you were chairman of the democratic national committee. and i know it mainly is no matter what he says, mainly about raising money for the party and getting people elected. who is the leader now of the democratic party? is it chuck schummer in the senate who is going to be a minority leader probably? is it nancy pelosi who is still going to be minority leader? is it going to be somebody else? is there a bob strauss in the democratic party anymore, someone who can be the person who convenes everybody together, brings them all together and says this is what we got to do? >> well, first of all, i think the leader in the democratic party come january is going to be barack obama, if he wants to be. that's a big question whether he wants to be. if he doesn't, it leaves a

vacuum. and then i think it depends on how it shakes out. the progressives will certainly try t take over the dnc, will try to get their person in charge of the dnc. but as you said, chris, the dnc is really very overrated. i had to laugh during the wikileaks. the dnc was going to tip the scales for hillary clinton over bernie sanders. the dnc can barely persuade the guys who mop the floors of the dnc headquarters how to vote. but still, the dnc has some symbolism. and there is going to be a little bit of a battle as to who controls it, the progressives or the left of center democrats. it will be a battle. but i think we'll come together because i think there is some important issues that unite us, whether we're moderates or whether we're far left progressives. >> that's interesting. i never thought of barack obama. because i know he is stick around in town in washington for two more years to have his daughters finish school. but the idea that he would be the leader of the party would be an interesting thought.

i don't know if there are legislative leaders who are really going to run the show. it's a big question. who is the mr. democrat? ed rendell, thank you so much for joining us. michael steele, mr. chairman, thank you. coming up, the biggest political question people can figure out is how the pollsters got this thing so wrong. name me a pollster who knew it was going to happen? polls consistently showed hillary clinton with a lead and totally underestimated the strength of trump's support, what governor rendell called the hidden trump support. isn't that the job of pollsters to find what is hidden? we can all guess. they're supposed to be professionals. i'm mad at these guys. this is "hardball." i keep thinking of sergeant schultz. i don't know nuttin. we'll be right back.

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announced that president obama and first lady michelle obama will meet tomorrow with president-elect donald trump and melania trump. that meet willing take place tomorrow morning at 11:00 eastern. that's going to be a big meeting. while the conclusive postmortem may take months or years to write, donald trump's election last night was one of the most shocking, let's say it a thousand times, and unexpected, let's say that a thousand times outcomes in political history. what is clear at this early date is the polls were almost unanimously wrong, as the race headed into election day, virtually every major poll, look at them there, showed secretary clinton with a comfortable margin between three and six points and consistently so. multiple outlets showed clinton leading or competitive in most swing states. so the state polls were wrong. trump was able to win nearly all of the toughly contested states, further taking long-time democratic states like pennsylvania, i'll say i never thought that would happen, and wisconsin. this is all unprecedented. the unpredictability that results is prresult

s is prem mince nice sent in 1936 when the reader's digest predicted alf landon of kansas would carry the state. roosevelt went on to win one of his biggest electoral landslides in our history. i'm joined by larry sabato at the university of virginia, a great man. and democratic pollster. i want to thank you both for your great prose. whether it's the 1936 literary digest or the failure by gallup in 1948 when we saw the great truman upset of new york governor tom dewey. we do we find ourselves in the big three of disaster poll elections right now? >> the polling process just doesn't work very well anymore. you remember the old days we looked for gold standard polls, the ones with long track records. >> yeah. >> of success. well, then we realized we

couldn't rely on any single poll. so we would do polling averages. polling averages were supposed to wash out the error. well, now we know that doesn't work. so i'm going to turn to the only pollster here, selinda and ask her, what are you people going to do about it? >> i'm not going to gang up on her, but okay, i'll ask the same question. >> thanks, larry. >> somebody on a network said there is always a margin of error. if i hear the phrase margin of error one more time, i'm going have a real problem. i'm tired. dentists saying i aimed for this tooth but i took out this one by accident. it was within the margin of error. i don't want to hear that get it right if you're a pro or else just call yourself an amateur. go ahead. you're a pro. go ahead. >> i think there were three things. number one, we all had the wrong turnout models. we all thought we would see the obama electorate, and we didn't. we didn't see that turnout. 7 million fewer democratic votes. the second thing is i think there was a secret trump vote. we notice that in the online polls trump did two or three

points better than in the phone polls. but until the end we didn't know which was more accurate. and i think the key, the next things, larry, on the table is to do mixed mode designs, i think, using multiple ways of polling. the third thing i think there was swing at the end. i think that was contributed to by the comey letters. i think that trump ran a brilliant campaign the last couple days to really accentuate some of the last-minute shifts among white college educated voter, suburban voters. so we did. we got it wrong. and we got to learn. well got to examine what is going on. well got to figure out how not to do it again. >> how do you poll for something as subtle as this? the people i talked to in my family and around the neighborhood, what they had told me, the suburbs of philly where all this action was taking place, they talked about the people who had never shown up before, very old people in some case. i think they were pro-lifers. they were very much against the supreme court going left, and they hadn't liked trump. they didn't like the smell of

the guy. they think the guy is terrible as a role model. but their values about life are so strong that trumped trump. your thoughts. >> right. i think that's absolutely one of the things that happened. and it was hard to measure, because i don't think they decided until quite late that they were going to vote. and if you notice, we tended to be more off in states that didn't have a lot of early votes. so that's absolutely right. it's hard to catch the really last-minute shifts. >> well, let's talk about hillary clinton. hillary clinton. i think hillary clinton is a wonderful person. as a politician, i think she is not fabulous. i think she was moving around a lot at the end in terms of her message. she said something rather delightful. when they go high we go low. she borrowed that from michelle obama. and then she had to play catch-up because of the comey thing. she ended up having to go low, talking what a terrible, unfit guy trump. that is factual, but it doesn't stir your juices. oh, great, i can't wait to vote

for her because she says the other guy is a skunk. your thoughts, larry. unclear thoughts from here. >> you're right. why did that happen? she was thrown off her game from theler by fbi director comey. >> that's for sure. >> remember, they had planned to have a week, kind of a victory lap in which she talk about her goals for the future, what her presidency would do and how she would bring people together. instead she had to switch and go hard negative against trump again. it was a terrible way to end, especially given her problems. she has an image of negativism and untrustworthiness and the rest. i really think that letter, along with the obamacare price hikes kind of produced a double whammy at the end and did precisely what solinda said. >> let me talk about the hidden vote. i know i'm not a pro. and i like to say i'm not a lawyer. i love to say that, because i think that would teach you long sentences with too many

subordinate clauses instead of a thought. could bit that pollsters are too articulate, that a pollster calls up on the phone, a young person with a educated voice, very clear pronunciation of the consonants. and again, the other end who is a little more regular, drops his pronunciation sometimes. here is this voice who says now there is a liberal on the phone with me. they went to college. i didn't. they are big-time progressives, is notty. they think they're better than me. damn well i'm not going to tell them what i'm thinking. how much of that could go on? >> it could go on. i've never measured that we have measured that internationally. and it's definitely affects polls internationally when we use student interviewers. what we do know is the race of the interview matters, and whites talking to people they assume are african american are usually more supportive of the nominee than whites talking to whites. and they make that judgment in 45 seconds, and they're usually

85% right. >> you mean they can tell an african american pollster that they're for the liberal candidate because that's who they think the pollster is for? >> right. that's exactly right. >> wow. >> and there wasn't so much of hit the time. but there is often a gender effect. so people talking to women interviewers might be more for the woman candidate than people talking to male interviewers. >> did you ever try hiring a guy with a rough accent who says what do you think of this guy obama, he is part african or whatever? but i just wonder whether you get that attitude in philly of yeah, i'm not for him either rather than i know the correct answer is i'm for the guy of mixed background. and i think he would be great as our president because you sound like a liberal. does that go on? >> well, there is some of that. but it goes both ways. sometimes the more liberal college educated candidate is the one that is the actually winning. and so you would be forcing people the other way. so it has an effect. and we just don't know which way

that effect. >> larry, give us a sense, because you're a pro and you inspire young students and all. you're sort of one of the god fathers, and i put in a positive term of teaching political science. is it still a science, or can we finally step back and say it's an art? >> i call my center the center for politics. the department here instead of department of political science is the department of politics. there is a scientific element to it. but i believe it's more of an art than a science, or at least that's the way i've lived it. i'll tell you something. the painting that we painted this year is really ugly abstract art. we've got to get back to the masters. >> yeah. in terms of studying what is going on. thank you so much, larry. so glad we had you on today. >> thank you. >> a historic night. celinda, you are a pro. >> thank you. how people's attitude comes across in the polling question. because i think it's there. there must be some reason why the guy stays hidden who is a trump. in the old day, remember frank rizzo? i think it was the same thing.

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welcome back to "hardball." my pal here and i have been through a few of these road yolk, but nothing like this. anyway, the sun rose over the united states today and the world reacted in shock to news of president-elect donald trump. london's evening standard, home to the brexit blasted, quote, trump triumph shocks world. the montreal journal in canada wrote "oh my god." and one latin american newspaper wrote mexico awakes to its worst nightmare, president trump. in russia as news broke that donald trump secured a victory, vladimir "the impaler" putin sent donald trump a telegraph congratulating the new president on his shocking victory. across the globe leaders are struggling to understand what like we are what a presidency with donald trump will mean for their countries. we're joined with chief correspondent for feature story news and howard fineman.

howard, the world. how that is going to settle in or scare the heavy rainfall out of people. and secondly how this financial thing we heard all about last night that trump seemed to have settled down with his remarks last night. >> let's take the financial thing first. because donald trump is a businessman and he's got business people around him and he lives in new york and he knows about the markets. and i think both he and today barack obama and everybody else wanted to say hey, world, don't sell your treasury bonds, okay. we're okay here. it's tough, but we're okay here. and i think that message went out starting with donald trump last night. i think that was very important. the whole world, i know, "the huffington post" has 15 ed additions around the world outside of the united states. all of our editors, all of our readers around the world were on pins and needles about donald trump, just as people are here in the united states. s a matter of fact, outside of the u.s., among our readers, and i think in most countries in western europe for sure, they dreaded the idea of donald trump as president. the very first thing he said last night to the world was

crucial. the markets reacted. the markets calmed down. >> positively. >> positively. more generally -- >> what about marine le pen and nationalist leaders around the world who have fascist elements to them. >> this is the concern in western europe, in our editions in western europe. they see le pen. >> in france. >> whose father was nationalist leader who opposed immigration and multiculturalism in france. france for the french, et cetera. now the daughter is in charge, and she could easily end up getting elected to top leadership positions in france. in germany, angela merkel is fighting a rear guard action against her desire to keep the borders of germany open. your opinion it is a tremendous problem with immigration. that has given rise to a whole lot of dangerous nationalism in eastern victory, in hungary and so forth. those people thread way to donald trump. brexit led the way to donald trump. this is a global phenomenon. people want to close the

borders. that's the global phenomenon. >> simon, is this something people who are immigrant, obviously once you're in the country, you're probably not going to be kept from staying there. but what is the real fear, the cutting edge of this new super nationalism in europe? what is the really dangerous part of it? >> well, i mean, the dangerous part of it is that it feeds into the same dynamic in this country that has fed into donald trump's election victory here. i mean, it is stoking right wing anti-immigrant sentiment all over europe that is now seen by european leaders to be reflected in the politics here. it's not just the european leaders i think scrambling to understand what a donald trump presidency means. they're scrambling to get in touch with donald trump. there are very few contacts between european leaders and the trump campaign. in britain, there is only one national political leader who has a close association and a close understanding of what donald trump's all about, and that's nigel feraj of the uk

independence party who suggested today he would like to be donald trump's ambassador to europe. >> well, apart from changing the immigration laws, which is tricky in the european white society, does this -- let's talk about how americans look at this. we don't like the signs of nazi kind of going around bullies, operation supposedly on their own, but really under the leadership of the political world, beating people up. you know, the old thing, beating up pakistani immigrants and thinking that was fun. is that getting encouraged by this politics? >> well, i think there is no question that it is getting encouraged by this politics. certainly in the uk we're seeing the rise of anti-semitic attacks in cities like london and in cities in the north of the country. we're seeing a rise in confrontations with immigrants who live perfectly legally within the european union, not to mention the extraordinary controversy surrounding the refugee camp in calais that was recently demolished by the

french authorities. the so-called jungle. and you've got to bear in mind the world leaders have been hearing a contradictory message from the united states. they've been coming here for months saying to barack obama and john kerry what's going on? is donald trump going to be the next president of the united states? and they've been told don't worry, the good sense, the common decency of the american people will prevail. >> you're right. >> that hasn't happened. >> don't be so cruel in the way you pronounce it. i was in ireland a few weeks ago. i told everybody, and i said don't worry, don't worry, i said there was no firewall. the people in those parts of the country, the industrial middle of the country where they're hurting on jobs acted the way we've been hearing they're going to act but in greater information. let me ask you. we have a constitution -- that is another thing i was arguing with my progressive fellow last night. we have a damn constitution. it's real. you can't do anything unless it passes both houses and then you to sign it. in the modern sense you to pass

a filibuster. you have to be at 60 votes. chuck schumer may be on the short end of who runs the senate, but he has enough power to stop almost any crazy immigration law. >> well, he does, i think. but it's going to be a united republican front, at least initially in the house, the senate, and the presidency. >> yeah. >> it's going to put chuck schumer -- try to put chuck schumer -- >> saying we can't let somebody in the country if they have a belief. first of all, i don't know how you ban a religious people what do you do, i'm not a believer and they're in? how would you pass a law that says no people of the islamic faith can come into the country? in a million years the democrats wouldn't go along for that. >> no, i know the democrats won't go along for that. but i'm sure people within the republican -- broader republican array are going to try it. what is going to be interesting to me is to see whether donald trump, who kind of stepped back from some of his more sweeping statements from earlier in the campaign is going to push that when he gets here.

i think -- i think he is not would be my guess. i think the first thing he is going to do is obamacare. that's going to be number one. the second thing will be immigration in terms of building the wall and infrastructure. i bet you the muslim ban thing doesn't get talked about a whole lot. >> and chris, there is one thing they're not going to do. and that's pass the transpacific partnership. if you are a leader in asia that has been coming here for months saying to the obama administration you've got to get this done because america's credibility in the asia-pacific region will be on the line if you don't, those asian pacific leaders now look at the situation here and they know that that free trade deal is dead on arrival. >> by the way, chris, that is a huge win. this election was a huge win for xi jinping in china who is going to pursue an expansionist policy in southeast asia and putin in russia who is going to mess around in the baltic states. >> i think the clintons really were for it and they never came out to say so.

as i said before, the former president did it right in the room. >> it's a mess. >> in japan when he came out for it all the way. >> the fact that trump is against it and the republicans will be against it is a message to china go ahead, do what you want in the pacific. >> absolutely. >> this is -- i call this a brave new world. let's focus on the brave part. thank you, simon marks, and thank you, howard fineman. >> thank you. up next, besides the stung upset in the presidential race, look what happened last night with the republicans. look what they did with their very strong showing, winning a string of battleground races to keep control of the united states senate. and they did it. so where do the democrats have to go from here? it's going to be even tougher for them two years from now. and they had a good shot this time. look at all the democratic senate counties who got blown away in this wave. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.

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2016 was supposed to be a ripe year foredemocrats to take back the u.s. senate. they were poised to pick up at least four seats, which along with a clinton victory would give them majority in the senate. 50-50, the vice president breaks the tie, everything is cool. but just like the clinton victory that never actually happened, neither did the democrats come to power. they always say return, take back. they weren't there for a while. but it's always take back, if it belongs to them. it doesn't belong to either party. competitive senate races, democrats did win. so coattails matter. tammy duckworth defeated republican mark kirk in illinois. hillary clinton wont out there. catherine cortez mast stow won there. and new hampshire has yet to be called by nbc. nbc news projects now that democrat maggie hassan is the apparent winner over kelly ayotte. the republican incumbents prevailed. meaning democratic recruits without any clinton coattails to

help push t over the edge. republican pat toomey in pennsylvania won. what a survivor. marco rubio, there is a comeback down in florida. roy blunt, mr. establishment, missouri. ron johnson, everybody left for dead a few years ago, is back in wisconsin. they were all reelected last night. and republican todd young defeated former senator and governor evan bayh. you can't get a better name for an upstart than todd young. let's bring in the "hardball" round table tonight. megan murphy is washington bureau chief for bloomberg. nicholas for "the new york times." not a good show. >> no. >> why did they get blown away? hillary had problems, we discovered in terms of enthusiasm on the left and the center. but why would so many of the hot prospects get defeated? >> i think you start with the message about the middle class. there was anxiety that donald trump was speaking. to and a lot of the democratic establishment didn't have a good

enough answer for nafta, for the middle class jobs. now i know there are numbers you can point to saying things are a lot better than when barack obama first took office, things were on the upswing. but if people didn't feel that, they didn't believe in it. you could put up the best candidates you wanted and it wasn't going to work. there is also a question about did the face of the democratic party reflect the base of the democratic party. were these the people that voters recognized at a time when congress and washington, you know, single digit approval rating. are they people they're bringing out with experience people speaking in a change of election. >> were they, nicholas, just a bunch of hacks? were they simply the picks of the inside? first of all, evan bayh was checked by chuck schumer. bring him back in. he is an old warhorse. he'll win an easy one. but they weren't exactly the voice of the people, were they? >> with the exception in nevada. i do think what we were seeing in states like iowa,

pennsylvania, wisconsin, a pure trump wave. what happened in the industrial midwest in this election is totally astounding. these working class voters who were at the heart of the industrial era populism have trump power play populists. now and they went with them in the senate races in the states and flipped them. >> as an economic culture flipped them? >> i think it's both. they have anxieties about culture and globalization. i think there are strains of racial resentment in there somewhere. i think it has to do who is on top in america, who is at the center of american life, who can be returned there. and they've been hearing for years and years they're on the decline. and they turned to a man who said i can make you win again. >> the astounding thing is it was an anti-washington vote, which is what we talk about every two years now. >> absolutely. >> and yet roy blunt won. >> i think that -- >> how did that happen? i like the guy. i've known him a while. he is always a part of washington leadership on the republican side. a relatively moderate.

and yet he identified with all these families members are lobbyists. >> i think he got it exactly right. the sort of fractioning we saw what was going to be her upper midwest firewall in terms of michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. and people really glomming on to this anti-trade, anti-globalization movement politics that donald trump had. what we saw is that not only did hillary clinton have no coattails, sorry, a little coughing. i've been up all night. >> go ahead. >> but donald trump had the coattails they needed to ride. and i think we see even tonight with kelly ayotte conceding the race to maggie hassan, she struggled with donald trump during this election. she is one that at times drew closer to him, at times drew away. maybe she would have benefitted by embracing him closer. >> all three branches were at stake in this election, right? >> yes. >> the supreme court. now we are one shy in our supreme court justices. that going to be the rest of our lives? are we ever going to get a

ninth? >> the senate has to approve somebody. that means 60 votes. unless somebody goes nuclear. >> one of the things that drove down congressional approval rating was the idea that it was gridlock, that things couldn't get done. republicans used this to their advantage. a lot of their supporters don't even like washington, but it does work. it's going to be hard for democrats to block supreme court nominees, to block appointees and then somehow turn to voters and say trust us and bring us back to power. >> really? afraid to filibuster, you think? >> they will try, but at some point there is going to have to be some movement on there. i don't know how long they can hold out and say in a midterm election say see what they did? if the argument is going to be -- >> interesting. let's take a look. in a statement today, by the way senator bernie sanders of vermont said donald trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics, and the establishment media. oh, thank you, bernie. to the degree that mr. trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this

country, i and other progressives are prepared to work for him to the degrees that he pursues racist, sexist and environment we will pursue them. >> if they try to filibuster, the republicans will abolish the filibuster and appoint a supreme court justice anyway and it will be the end of the filibuster. >> nuclear? >> yep. >> that means a simple majority. the round table. up next, these three will tell me something i don't know. one just did. and before we leave, protesters in the streets demonstrating against the election of donald trump. they're chanting "not our president." we're going to keep an eye on that. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ ♪ well, if you want to sing out, sing out ♪ ♪ and if you want to be free, be free ♪ ♪ 'cause there's a million things to be ♪ ♪ you know that there are ♪ and if you want to be me, be me ♪ ♪ and if you want to be you, be you ♪

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even today. >> they want change every eight years. >> counties where imemployment has improved the most since 2010 was won 2-1 by donald trump. >> that have done the best economically? >> yep. that have improved since 2010. so the economic anxiety we think did not kpichlts. >> you give an inch, they take a yard. think, megan murphy, nick confessore. we're not done. coming up at the top of the hour, coming up instantly, you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.

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welcome back to our second hour of this special post election edition of "hardball." here is the new reality in the country. donald trump will be the next president of the united states. he will be commander in chief as well. also, if you will, leader of the free world. his victory over hillary clinton stunned the country and the world. major pieces of president obama's legacy are now seriously at risk. the affordable care act, executive actions on immigration, even the iran nuclear deal. trump crashed through the republican establishment during months of the scorched earth primary campaigning. he went on to run against clinton, hillary clinton, calling her a liar, unhinged, unfit, even a criminal. he has vowed to build a wall between the united states and mexico and to ban