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about 15 years down the road that law about lying on your application, that law became kind of a big hairy deal. in people fighting for the right to be married one of the pressure tactics people developed was this often emotional strategy where they would go down to their local court's license and apply for a marriage license like anybody else and the clerk would turn them down to their face. the campaign of southn equality did this all over the south. in particular they would video tape it. couples started doing this strategy all over the country. it's a very simple thing. they go to their county clerk's office to apply and the clerk could not say yes. to clerk would have to look you in the eyes and say no because

it wasn't legal. but in indiana they had this law on the books about it being weirdly a felony to give false information on your marriage license. in that whole strategy towards try to go pursue civil rights this way. the application for a marriage license in indiana only allows you to fill in one name for man and one name for woman. if you were a same sex couple there's no way for you to do that truthfully. if you're two women or two men you can't truthfully apply on this form which only allows space far man and a woman. you cannot truthfully do it. in 2013 governor mike pence signed an update of the enforcement of the marriage application law so if you violated that law you would be

guilty of a level 6 felony. a potential fine of up to $10,000. right? ultimately marriage i quality becomes the law of the land. governor mike pence, gay couples faced 18 months in prison and $10,000 in fine for applying to get married. so a year and a half in prison, $10,000 fine for the crime of applying for a marriage license. that is before that application would be turned down. just applying to get married would put you in jail under mike pence. one of the things that happened during the two terms of the obama administration is it became the law of the land that you can get married if you want to and even if you and your partner are two men or two women. marriage equality is the law of

the land. over the course of his own presidency even president obama evolved on this issue. at the time he became president he said he supported mostly same -- but at the same time he did not support marriage equal tichlt he evolved when it seemed possible marriage equality might win he changed his mind and became fully supportive on the issue. when the united states supreme court finally ruled in that landmark case that settled the issue oncened for all barack obama white house was lit up. this has been a massive civil right ace chiefment. it was an incredibly long ongoing culture war. in that contest given that that's what just happened the next time we have a presidential election after these two terms

of barack obama you would think we would fight about that, right? you would think that gigantic change that we went through would be a key part of the debate about who the next president should be. when the republican party picked adds their nominee, donald trump, a man who has a confusing position on a lot of culture war issues includes gay rights, you would think it would have been huge news, an acute point of focus when the republican presidential nominee has this strange, sort of hard to follow, he picked this as the consistently state wide official in t country. there is no state wide elected official who has more to brag about in terms of his anti-gay credentials. lots were against marriage

equality but only in indiana could you go to jail for the crime of being a gay couple to apply for a marriage license. before north carolina ever stepped on a rake and threw away its business reputation with this ridiculous bathroom bill, before it happened in north carolina mike pence overtly made it okay to discriminate against gay people in his state. mike pence said we should take way ahiv and aids funding. he said it should be taken away because instead it should be diverted into government-funded programs designed to cure people from being gay, to try to fix gay people. that's what the government should spend its money on, not this aids stuff. mike pence is really out there on his anti-gay politics.

he is on the last leaf on that twig. more so than any other state wide elected official in the country. that's who donald trump picked to be his running mate. you would think regardless of what you think of marriage equality that's just sb interesting. you would think it would have gotten some attention. in fact no one paid much attention to it at all. honestly i think it's because no one paid much attention to mike pence at all. none of us ever get a second chance to make a first impression. as a national political figure for the first time in his life mike pence never got a single chance to make a first

impression. the night that mike pence was chosen to be running mate there was other stuff going on that was frankly way more interesting and way more dramatic. it resulted in mike pence never even getting a single day of focused press attention tonight, a military cue attempt, turkey in chaos. fighter jets in the skies and donald trump makes it official, announcing mike pence as his v.p. pick. nbc news learned he was working the phones trying to see if he could change course. >> poor mike pence. he was announced as a guy who donald trump instantly had buyers remorse and announced as

v.p. on a day something else really urgent happened. when this ally of ours had what appeared to be a very dramatic major cue attempt. >> it started off small, troops seen closing off a main bridge in instan bustanbul. tv stations the prime minister announced a cue was underway saying they would fight until the last drop of blood. this is the man the cue was drelkted against. he was in on vacation at the time. he has had secular army officers arrested for years. he is trying to change the

constitution to give himself more power. speaking from a unknown location called on supporters to take to the streets to defend him. >> this is a dramatic occurrence for anyone. this was a particularly big deal for us in the united states even over shadowing mike pence as the vice presidential nominee. turkey is really important to us. turkey is the largest military in nato after us. we have a major base there. it is reported we stage our nuclear weapons there. we have dependency between them. when the president of turkey says it's military in this country leading this cue, we are really close with that military. it was a very fraught thing for us.

at the time the general in charge of the whole middle east region said at the time quote we certainly have relationships with a lot of turkish leaders. i'm concerned about what the impact is on those relationships as we continue to move forward. all right. this is a very careful statement, a very diplomatic general statement. it is a tense situation, right? you put this kind of anodine gloss. we have important relationships that we have hopes for, right? here is how the president of turkey responded to that. he said quote it's not up to you to make that decisi. who are you? know your place. end quote. know your place. know your place u.s. military. know your place america.

he gave a speech from the police special forces headquarters. he said my people know who is behind this scheme. he also blamed a turkish imam. he has become a legal resident of the united states. he lives in the -- ever since that night the turkish has really -- this isn't a term of art but he has really gone a little bit nuts in this country. 200 something people were killed in the supposed coup. he round up 35,000 people and put them in jail as being coup

supporters. thousands have not been fired from the military but been arrested. mass arrests of judges mayo mayors. he has taken political parties and ordered arrests of every one of their elected officials. he has shut down tv stations. the one constructive thing he has done, he has announced a new building program. he is building 174 new prisons in order to hold all of the tens of thousands of people he has already rounded up from the court system and education system and from the press and from all aspects of civil society, tens of thousands of people and he wants the united states to help him finish the job because he has a loose end and america. he has this emom to lives in the

united states who they say is the man to blame for the coup maybe the united states also started. he is demanding the united states hand over this guy who is a legal resident of the united states, hand him over. you don't really get to demand that of the united states. there's a process between countries when some other country wants us to extradite somebody to them. it's a judicial process. there is clear law and legal procedures on these matters. the united states government has not just handed this guy over to this strong mandm who is demandg that they do. we know how they feel about us. what was the quote? he said who are you? know your place. so yeah, they don't care. he just keeps demanding over and

over again screw our judicial process. we need to just hand this guy over. he is a legal resident but we should hand him over because they say so. . >> on election day donald trump said basically you know what? we should just hand that guy over. he called him a shady islamic for would he excite the animus. there are libraries who excited the amimus.

it would be a weird thing for the united states to conclude as a matter of policy all of those journalists and tens of thousands of people, they probably all deserved it. they must be terrible. if anybody is mad at them that they fired them to lock them up, tens of thousands of them, those people must all really deserve it. the hand him over guy that is general mike flynn. he was also today named to the executive committee of the new transition team. transition teams are a normal thing at this point in the political calendar. that's what any president-elect does. it's not a normal thing to put three of your children and your son-in-law on your transition team. i lookit's also not normal thaty

suggest we drop our process, that we start handing people over if they seem shady to us and if the right strong man in some other country demands it from us. other countries like turkey right now, a lot of other countries have varying experiences with strong man-type leaders with heads of state who achieve power but once they have got power they throw the old ways out the window. they maximize their own hold on power. they minimize the other institutions that give order to something other than one person's dictate for how things should be. a lot of other countries have that experience with that.

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threatening by threatening that sentence he won the election he would not recognize the validity. he threatened to build a nationwide deportation force to throw millions of people out of this country. we have never had somebody get this far who has proposed building a wall who is proposing to ban muslims. you might have heard that the muslim ban was gone. we have never had somebody like this at this level and maybe it has all ban game and maybe he doesn't mean any of it and maybe he will be a type that we recognize. if we believe him. if he says what he is going to do is what he is going to do

should we be taking lessons from people who have lived in country where is they do jail their political opponents, where they crew said against the press, where they do ban people based on their religions. i mean right now we have never had somebody like this at any level of american politics. should we shore ourselves up and get ready by talking to people who have lived under that kind of strong man stuff before, from people who have figured out best strategies for dealing with it? that's a thing we can actually do right now. last night russian american journalist published this. it is called autocracy, rules of survival. i learned while salvaging your sanity and self respect.

it might be worth considering them now. she is the author of a man without a face. it is a pleasure for having you here. >> thanks for having me. >> donald trump has not been a public political figure for all that long. is there any risk that this is premature, that we are worrying too much before we have enough evidence to know if this is the direction she going? z >> it is possible. i find this information rather strange. all of the information we have is information he has given himself. he has given plenty of it. he talked about jailing his opponen opponents, deporting u.s. citizens, committing a felony to commit war crimes.

he has not said disregard everything i have said, it's just campaign hi. why should we do this when it has given us no reason to suggest she a normal politician and every reason to think he ran for autocrat and was elected to be autocrat. >> what do you think of inclination -- i think including liberals and conservatives, i think there's an inclination to believe it is -- to decide that he didn't really mean it, to hope for -- not to just hope for but to think the best of what his prospects are. why do we do that? >> i think we always do it. i think it's a problem with the imagination because we have never seen this happen before. so something happens in the brain. you know, as humans we evolved

to adapt and evolved to be optimistic. we think because we have seen peaceful transfer of power before in this country, we have seen how it happens we kind of insist on thinking it is going to happen the way it happened before even though everything that preceded it is nothing that happened before. >> one of the things you write about in the new york review is institutions that seem robust can be undermined quick lichlt you talk about the speed with which someone like putin was able to di solssolve the integr. do you feel that way about the united states as well that our civil society constitutions and press and things like that are in the same way? >> not in the same way.

there are a lot more institutions. the checks and balances is much more profound and koe hercohere. a lot of it is not in the constitution. a lot of it is just culture. there is no law that says the white house has to be transparent. there is no law that says it has to be a daily briefing or regular press conferences. putin has one call-in show a year and all other appearances are irregular. there is nothing from donald trump doing that. he already started. the two things that he is on record as doing in the last 48 hours is not allowing the press to accompany him to meet with president obama in the white house and blaming the press for the protest. the signs for his relationship with the media are terrible. that's the beginning of the

destruction of democracy. you know, they depend on good faith participation. we had donald trump run for president in bad faith. he lied in most of his statements. this was documented and still he won. it was sort of defenseless. >> author of this t new york review of books which is circulating like it is fed by lightning, i really appreciate your time with us today. >> thank you for having me. >> one of the things she talks about, she says one of the ways to undermind the judiciary is to shock its culture.

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this is a map of miami traffic earlier tonight. red marks the place where traffic was not moving at all. in this case it wasn't a normal traffic jam. the reason all of the cars were stuck there tonight is because a protest about the election took over that road. we are now looking at day three,

night three of apparently spontaneous demonstrations in cities across america over this election. people have been marching tonight in a very dramatic fashion in miami, florida and also in columbus, ohio, in minneapolis and atlanta and in l.a. it's that one that you're looking at. what is that? that's atlanta. they are trying to demonstrate a state of politics. that is a matter of perspective. >> there is a major difference. it is backed up way back there maybe five miles. what happens if there is a serious emergency? they have a message. i think it's a lot of, you know,

bs pretty much. >> can i ask who you support? >> i like trump. i actually do. >> i can tell you right now it's not bs. these things are going to go on for a while. they are not getting confined to one part of the country. we'll keep you posted. to suppory and show some love for the people we love. and the places we love. the stuff we can't get anywhere else and food that tastes like home. because the money we spend here can help keep our town growing. on small business saturday, let's shop small for our neighborhood, our town, our home.

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people who they know are bad and they know it. >> it is their culture. they are around each other. you got to turn them in. >> i am watching everybody about the racial profile. these people knew what was going on. i don't want them coming over here. we have enough problems coming over here. i think islam hates us. there is something there that -- there's a tremendous hatred there. we have to get to the bottom of it. it has not been exactly a positive factor. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states. somebody that had to bring it up. if i didn't bring it up it would have never been brought up. there should be a lot of systems. we should have a lot of systems. >> reporter: is something your

white house -- >> i would certainly implement that. >> a database to track muslims in this country. there is a lot of fear as muslim americans look like what their lives will look like under a trump presidency. yesterday in nashville, tennessee people chalked we love you and we want you here outside the local islamic center. pete worry about how he singled out americans who are not muslim or worried about it. that community is worried for itself. here is the thing you might have seen this week. there was news reports that said donald trump's written proposal to ban muslims from coming into the country, there was information that it disappeared from the trump web site. there was excitement now that the campaign was over and he was the president-elect maybe the

ban was done. maybe he would disappear that proposal, pretend he never made it. turns out, no. that's not what happened. it did in fact disappear for a day starting on election day but this should have ban clue, so did all of his other policy states. they came down on election day and that was apparently a glitch because now back on the web site all of those policies including the muslim ban. touring capitol hill yesterday mr. trump was asked directly if he wanted congress to ban muslims. watch his response to that question here. this is great.

>> are you going to ask dong ban muslims from entering the country? thank you everybody is his answer. richard. thanks for staying here and being with us. >> great to be with you. >> i'm all right. i'm wondering what you think. >> concerned it sounds like you are. >> you know, i'm sort of just try to go get perspective. one of the reasons i waned to talk to you about this is because you lived many muslim cultures, lived under all sorts of different kinds of rulers and different kinds of politicians. what do you think in terms of the fear that muslim communities

have right now in the united states? what's your take on that? >> they are try to go figure out like all americans, is this serious? is he really going to do all of these things he promised to do? is he going to follow the patterns of other author tar yan rulers? will he not be allow today do that? frankly we really don't know. there are patterns in other countries. they tend to be beat up on the religious minorities, blame everything on immigration. we see this time and time again, blame the media for any problems. blame the media for protests. there are patterns you can watch. one of them is to try and not just blame the media but criticize the media for being un-american. i have seen it many times.

what happens is somebody wins therefore he has the majority of the people by definition with him. therefore anyone who didn't support him becomes a traitor. if you start to hear the word traitor being used, that's a red flag. if they escalate to cancer that's an even worse sign. i think we should be listening after things like that. after that the next stage would be mass rallies by his supporters that look potentially intimidating. after that to see if there is any kinds of calls for a referendum to go to the people to get around the constitutional system. so many people have studied these, the rise of extra constitutional powers. we'll see if any of that happens. so far it's just been a lot of campaign talk. i think people are scratching their heads as many people are in this country. will we see this pattern happen

here? are we immune to it in this country the way most countries have not been? >> i had a russian american who has written exclusively about putin. she calls him autocrat. are you seeing that the people in other countries who have lived under these kinds of -- who have lived under sort of strong man leaders that they are recognizing in trump in the election of trump the sort of warning signs or is that recognition going to other direction where we are looking around the world for advice? >> i think you are seeing that. in europe where they are watching this, they are seeing right now the rise of pop you list parties, sort of a decent

grags. they are saying trump is very much like leaders like orban in turkey who is anti-immigrant who is calling for -- >> in hungry. >> in hungry. sorry. in europe they are pointing to trump as part of the same league of angry pop lists. they are saying you just got one in america. be very very careful. americans haven't experienced this. they haven't had this kind of -- they haven't had it directly. they worry overseas perhaps americans don't recognize the signs. they don't see it is coming in this country. maybe they are wrong. maybe it won't come to this country but the countries that are living with it in cloets proximity are raising that flag. >> and for us i feel like it's a challenge in the media but also

as citizens. it's time for us to get smart. it's time for us to start reading this. it's always great to see you, my friend. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. [ clock ticking ] time. you only have so much. that's why we wanna make sure you won't have to wait on hold. and you won't have to guess when we'll turn up. because after all... we should fit into your life.

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planned parenthood posted seven things people can do right now. make a donation or volunteer add a planned parenthood facility. the opportunity to get involved and fight back won't end here. there will be more ways to take meaningful action in the days ahead. in other words, buckle up. they also direct their supporters to lots of other groups that people can support for things they are worried about under president trump. something similar happened at the aclu. the messages if trump imply emes his proposed policies we'll see him in court. they are calling all young people living here under president obama's deferred action program in the 70 days before he leaves office they are

advising them to hold off. everything is possibly about to get set on fire. they are sundaying the alarms. they are giving concrete advice to people on what to do next defensively and offensively. if you're looking for a thing to do now you can ask. i do not suggest you consult with a democratic party right now. don't go to their web site right now. there's no to do lists there. that's thank you. they still want you to elect a democratic senate which is something they failed to do several days ago. they still want you to tell them you're in for 2016.

really? anybody home over there? the current chair of the democratic party is there temporarily. she is supposed to leave in march. the race is on for who wants to be the head of the democratic party. whoever get that is gets control of the house and senate plus a nearly historic level of republican control in the states. big job. bernie sanders and chuck are for howard dean has also expressed an interest. there is another candidate, more of like a mid--range shot baa lot of people will be interested in this other potential bid for democratic party chair. on this show on monday night that person will be here and we will get that person's announcement here live and a first chance to do vetting of any sort of how they would get

it back into fighting shape. that interview will be happening here monday night at 9:00. aren't you curious as to who it is? we'll that does it for us. we'll see you again monday. good morning. i'm dara brown. it's 7:00 a.m. east and 4:00 a.m. out west. sheer what here is what's happening. donald trump says he now may want to keep parts of obamacare. how does it match with what he said while campaigning. what does it tell us about the new administration? hillary clinton holds a farewell meeting. hear what she told them just yesterday. and in the streets another night of protests. today there may be the biggest event yet. details up ahead. we begin with