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going to make sure that the people with preconditions are still covered? >> yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets. >> you will keep that? >> and also the children living with their parents for an extended period, and we will try to keep that and it adds cost but it's something we will try to keep. >> there will be a period, if you repeal it before you replace it when millions of people will lose -- >> no, we will do it simultaneously and we will be just fine. it's what i do. i do a good job. i know how to do this stuff, and we are not going to have a two-day period or two-year period where there is nothing, and it will be repealed and replaced, and it will be great health care for much less money. >> as the trump transition team begins creating its government, protesters will hit the streets this weekend for morae rallies,

and this after a dozen of arrests throughout the country last night. after taking a short break since giving her concession speech, hillary clinton was back thanking her family and staff. there was a staff party at the campaign headquarters, and here's part of the conference call to the volunteers last night. >> we left it all on the field, every single one of you, and this is a tough time for our country, and i think we have seen how people have been reacting to the events of this election, and i know that we have got to be reaching out to each other to keep it clear in our own minds that what we did was so important and it looks like we are on the path to winning the popular vote, and

that says volume about the importance of your work and the lasting impact it will have. meanwhile, more fallout over senator harry reid's harsh words in the statement over the protests, and he called trump a sexual predator, and joe mansion called his comments an absolute embarrassment to the senate. senator mansion haorbgs is from the deeply conservative state of west virginia that trump won will be up for re-election in 2018. let's bring in kelly o'donnell who is at the washington bureau. what is the latest on the transition? >> we have to think of the transition of part personnel and part policy and donald trump filled out a larger structure

than existed before, names his three oldest children and son in law to be part of that and making a change having vice president-elect, mike pence, take over the chairmanship, and that is putting one person in char securing and forming the government along with the esident-elect and try to fill out those important cabinet posts, and then far beyond that, fill out all the jobs in the white house and then its agencies across the government. it's an enormous task. another part of the transition is to try to come up with -- this has already been in the works and it's now a matter of refining it, the top priorities for the first 100 days, and the first 200 days, and trying to begin a new administration in a robust way, so transition is an

interesting time in washington because there is still only one president, and yet there is a government in waiting being formed with a lot of high stakes speculation about who will fill the cabinet and how it will go forward and that's picking up in earnest, and they will be moving their offices to washington in just a couple weeks, and that doesn't mean the first family in waiting would move to washington until january but they are going to get down to business in washington to expand the team. >> also part of the transition are these intel briefings that president-elect trump will soon be getting. what do you know about that? >> it began as candidate trump after he won the nomination, both he and hillary clinton received a certain level of intelligence briefing that was intended to help them shape their campaign and make certain they are aware of key issues going forward and now that he is president-elect it ramps up considerably, and it's not the same as president obama but it's

substantial briefings about the threats and the sources and methods used by americans to keep the national security apparatus safe, and it's an intense and very informative and eye opening experience donald trump will have with the new level at the highest form of our government, the secrets of the government, and it's a sobering kind of report and it's often thought that when presidents-elect really get to see what is in the book they have a new view of the enormity of the job they have, and he is available to get them at anytime now and we believe he has not yet had his first presidential daily brief, but it should be imminent. back to you. >> thank you so much, joining us live from washington. more anti-trump protests are expected today. the fourth day in a row since he won the election. morgan radford joins us now from new york city.

tell us about today's protests? >> reporter: that's right, betty. good morning. we are expecting to see between 10 and 13,000 protesters arriving here at union square park, and then they will travel to the towers. in the past three nights we have seen protests erupt in ten major cities across the united states, where there have been mostly peaceful but there was a protester shot last night in portland and 11 arrests here in new york, and the protesters say they understand they can't change the results of the election, and they say we understand what it is, and we understand president-elect trump will be in the white house but they say this is about inclusion, they want to show new yorkers here and they want to show people across the country, they are included especially those that felt they were marginalized by donald trump comments. that's what we are seeing here on the ground. we do know that president-elect trump has heard and seen of the protest on twitter and called it

unfair because he won an open and honest election, and then he changed his tune and said he praises their feelings as americans. >> a lot of people wanting their voices still heard. appreciate that. joining me now is associate editor for the hill, and editor. and how are you reading into some of the possible trump appointment, like john bolton? >> these are figures that are conservative and perceived to be on the right of the republican party, but nonetheless part of the establishment and it's not a completely off the charts type

of appointment, so we will be looking once these people are actually proposed, what that says about the likely direction of a trump administration. he appears to have backed away from some of his most insince re campaign promises. >> franchesca, i want to play for you what one of the transition team players said how they will get mexico to pay for the wall. >> all we tell them from this point forward after our regulation has passed, if you want to send money home, and you are an alien living in the united states, you have to prove that you are here legally before that money can be sent. that would shut off more than $10 billion a year that is sent home to mexico from mexican nationals living illegally in

the united states. and the mexican people depend on that money. >> franchesca, i want you to talk more about his representation and the party and what this will mean for immigration reform and a trump administration? >> it's important to point out that he was the author of the arizona immigration law, so certainly immigration is something that he has expertise on in terms of immigration reform and within the republican party, but he is considered one of the figures that is further to the right within the republican party, so he would be somebody very conservative that trump is bringing in to advise him on immigration and he's not the only one trump is looking to on the immigration, and he also has jeff sessions and it's been a big part of what he has focused on in the senate as well. >> that was an extreme immigration bill in arizona and do you expect to see more

extremes like that as the plans are laid out? >> it's tough to say what trump will do on this issue, and he fit said he would import the 11 million immigrants immediately and then backed off from that position a little bit and say, we will take a look at it, when i get elected we will see what happens at the time, and certainly they will have to leave the country and reapply to come back in and the timeline on that is unclear, and he said he will rescind the executive orders that allow immigrant children to say here but the question is how quickly does he do that, and what else does he do on immigration and how fast? >> in the meantime, nile, what kind of things orders can he execute? >> he can reverse what president obama put in place, and the question is will trump keep

going down the line he outlined in his campaign. it has been a very fast shift to suggest that he may not do some of these things, and the executive order, that's one part of this picture but we are seeing things like the famous pledge to build a wall and make mexico pay for it, and now we are seeing advisers saying that will take a while and he might talk about strengthening the border, and that could have been campaign talk. once it gets down to the level of executive order, obviously by its nature, those are things that trump will have to either commit to or not do, and we are getting to the point where the rubber hits the road. >> talking about commitments, franchesca, something else he talked about was prosecuting hillary clinton if he becomes president. where does he stand on that? >> looks like hillary clinton may get a reprieve after this election, donald trump said he has not thought about it too

much, and he has been pressing on the issues, such as the budget and health care reform, and i looked to rudy guiliani that said in this country we do not prosecute our political enemies after elections, and kellyanne conway said she has not spoke to donald trump about that either, and the prosecution of hillary clinton is on the back burner. whaeufp >> what about those political leaders that were against trump during the campaign and how will he work with them now? >> he has transition folks, and chris collins is working as the go between him and members of congress and he had some of the republican members of congress that were supporting him, and so he will be looking to them for insight and looking to them to kind of take his agenda to capitol hill and sell it. >> i will give you the last word

here, and what is your most glaring question and where does the party go from here? >> i think the most glaring question is pertaining to turnout. why did so many people who voted for president obama not come out for secretary clinton, and i think that goes to the second point of your question, betty, i think there's an argument that hillary clinton did not speak to working class voters and their concerns. i think that means the left of the democratic party is likely to be in the asepb dent, and they will say she did not address those economic concerns. >> thank you for your insight today. changing the way america does business. from spending a trillion dollars on infrastructure to slashes

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the stock market is surging in the wake of donald trump's surprising win, reaching record highs. the dow jones industrials gaining almost 40 points yesterday for a record closing of 18847, capping a 5% gain for the week. while that is great news for wall street, what about main street and president-elect trump's economic plan? >> i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. i tell you that. we will embark upon national growth and renewal, and we will

call about the best and brightest to leverage their tremendous talent for the benefit of all. it's going to happen. >> so how is donald trump going to become the greatest jobs president god has created, as he has said? joining tphous former chief economists and adviser to joe biden, and my first question is this, how do you explain the stock market surge only after plunging after it looked like he was going to defeat hillary clinton? >> you need a psychologist to figure out that manic behavior. and when the polls were tightening before the election, this is when a hillary clinton win was pencilled in by those folks, they got nervous and equity prices began to fall.

once trump won that uncertainty disappeared and that helped to boost markets. there's another thing going on is a bit more nuance, the markets think donald trump will infuse stimulation, and historically markets like that thing and it's a sugar high at least in the near term. >> that was my next question. this is great for our 401(k)s, but will it last? >> nobody can tell you what is going to happen to the market one day out much less one week out. no, this is not the sort of thing you would want to change your investment portfolio around at all, and i don't like to give retail price on the air. >> we will take your word on that. let's move on to trump's big 1 trillion. infrastructure program, and he hopes to give 140 billi$140 bil

tax credits to finance projects, and how will that pay off? >> that is pretty -- well, nonsensical may be too strong of a word and i don't know any economist that can make sense out of that. put it that way. what he is saying, through tax credits he is going to leverage up a certain amount of this public spending, of the tax credits so the private investors will come in and buy bonds that will support a great deal of infrastructure investment. that's an unknown thing. it's not how we typically invest in roads and bridges, but one thing to keep in mind, if you have private investors paying for your infrastructure, that means your infrastructure has to spin off user fees, so you can't have roads, you have to have toll roads and bridges, and that's the only way to get a return on investment. it's not in my view, at all, a

smart way to proceed to fix public goods. >> and this is another thing, 2 trillion in profits overseas, and they are going to lower the corporate tax, and what does trump hope to gain by doing that? >> he hopes to gain, at least, a lot more revenue in the short term but the kinds of repay treeations, and it's not sitting abroad but booked abroad that is avoiding u.s. taxation, and if you give companies a tax break, there's a sugar-high theme here, and you do get an initial boost in revenue but all you are doing is getting the companies to squirrel a lot more revenue overseas until the next break, so not a good way to proceed. >>ooking at the tax plan, it

calls for a personal income tax cut that would be $1,000 for middle income, and then $1 million for the very top earners. is this likely to boost spending economy? >> betty, you have done your homework and reading the same table i am, so that's great. we needed a lot more of that piercing analysis during the campaigns. no, i mean -- the problem there is that if you give people who are already rich a really big tax break, so a million for multimillionaires, they are not going to spend the money necessarily, because they are not income constrained. they already have the money they need. the marginal propence see to spend that dollar is small. you would flip this thing upside down. >> and what does all of this do

for the national debt? big picture here. >> great point. i mean, it makes it grow a lot. the trump tax plan has been analyzed to add something between 4 and $6 trillion to the national debt. if you go back to george w bush, and he used this budget technique, and democrats also use, to be fair, to push through a tax cut that significantly worsened our fiscal accounts and that's the scenario i see coming under president-elect trump as well. >> a lot of number crunching to see if it will all work out. thank you. are hate crimes spiking after donald trump's victory? we have a look at the investigations from coast-to-coast and what police are finding. ♪

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i am betty nguyen. at the half hour, here's what we are monitoring today. four people dead and 14 others wounded after an explosion in afghanistan today, and the taliban have claimed responsibility which was carried out by a suicide bomber inside the base and we will have more on the developing story in the next hour. and then head into 2017 not only with a republican president but a gop majority in the house and senate. it is leaving democrats wondering what their party will look like for the next four years. and matt, we are going to be

leaning on you to give us an indication of what things are going to look like, but first of all, what is the mood like inside the clinton camp today? >> i have not talked to the clinton camp in the last day or two, but the mood among democrats generally is horrible, the worst i have seen in 30 years in politics. >> wow. >> i have been through three elections, and it has never been like this. >> why so hard? >> there's crushing disappointment we won't have a hillary clinton presidency, but even more the shock and dismay that we just elected trump to be president and democrats do truly believe the man is not fit to be president. >> with respect to the down ballot, though, did reality fail to meet expectations and if it did is there a prevailing sense of why this happened? >> yeah, reality failed to meet expectations and then some. i think people were expecting that we would do very well in the senate races and we would

pick up more seats in the house, and the devastation continued down the ballot, and republicans now control the senate, and the state legislators and the governorship in 24 states and that means they have a trifecta complete lock on those states, and so this is the worst state since the reconstruction in the 1800s. in essence, it's that voters are not buying what democrats are selling and that's a serious problem for the party. >> that is a big problem. and some are pointing to perhaps maybe the clinton campaign or democratic party in general was not working hard enough to insure turnout. do you agree with that assessment? how can they fix it the next time around? >> i don't agree with that. they could be faulted with some things, and working hard is not one of them and they had extraordinary sophisticated data

set and they were unbelievably organized on the ground and they did a good job of trying to get the vote out and the vote didn't turn out. >> why would you say that is? >> that's a good question. you cannot force people to the polls if they are not inspired and for some reason they did not find the message clintons and the others were offering to be enough to turn out for her and downed ballot democrats. >> "the new york times" reports that early in the campaign, bill clinton pushed for more outreach to working class white and rural voters, and the same voters that we now know broke for trump in droves. could hillary clinton have saved her bid if she followed that advice? >> probably. she lost by very slim margins in places like michigan and wisconsin, and those were the voters she needed. bill clinton is the greatest political mind of our generation, and people should listen to him. i think that was advice that should have been heeded. >> she didn't make any campaign

trips to wisconsin and trump made six. did that play a key factor in this as well? >> it's hard to know how much campaign visits really matter in terms of voter turnout or the way the people break at the end, but it couldn't have heard. in retrospect, it's easy to say one should have did that, and not visiting one of the most important states in the country in terms of the electoral college at all probably was a mistake. >> is that surprising to you nobody in the campaign said, wait a second, why don't we focus there? >> as you pointed out, bill clinton was saying things like that and there's angry rekreupl nation going on from some of those states and there were opt eds in the paper yesterday, and it's really hard to run these campaigns and peer into the future particularly when all of

the polling, internal and public was so wildly off. very hard to plan around bad numbers. >> you have seen some protests across the country, and we have been airing it and it has been going on, for, what, four days now, and should secretary clinton and president obama call for calm at this time and shouldn't that are part of the role at this time? >> secretary clinton does not have a part to play, and she's doing what she should do is lay low for a while, and it's important for public officials to say, look, that is not okay, and that's not exercising your first amendment rights, but if it's peaceful protests, i don't think anybody should tell people they can't express themselves at anytime in this country. >> how is secretary clinton doing? we saw her the day after the election on a trail and took a

picture with a fan, and i know you have not spoken to her in the last day, but do you know? >> i don't know. i can tell you this. i have known her for a long time and she is one of the most resilient human beings on the planet and if you think what she has been through in the 30-plus years in the public eye, it has been rough for her and she survived unbelievable setbacks like in 2008, when she lost to obama in the primary, but after being around al gore and others after close election losses, it's a very tough thing to bear, and this is particularly bitter because of the person that beat her. >> do you have your eye on in terms of up and coming democrats, is there anyone on deck that could be an effective

barrier for the party and whip of enthusiasm for 2020? >> there's no successor like clinton in 2008, or joe biden, we don't have anybody like that and we have a number of people on the bench and ready to emerge, including numbers folks may not know, and cory booker, the senator from new jersey, and gillibrand, the senator from new york and there are a bunch of folks that could emerge, but it's four days out from the election and no tell who could be next. >> still raw. there are plenty of democrats are still in mourning today. can you tell something to maybe up lift them a little bit, maybe a silver lining? what would you say? >> we have been searching for a silver lining in this election for a while but it's really hard to find. the problem is that democrats at

every point on the scale lost, we lost liberals and moderates and insiders and outsiders and the senate and house and governor, it's tough to find one. i will say this, donald trump may serve as a galvanizing force that brings the party together and serves to really lead them back out of the wilderness with a message that might resonate if trump becomes an unpopular president, which i anticipate he will. >> that's the best you got? that's your silver lining? >> matt, thank you so much for your time today. appreciate it. >> thank you. when donald trump assumes the presidency on january 20th, more than ten months will have passed since merrick garland was up for the vacancy. and joining me now, amy, thank you for being with us. trump release add list of 21 potentials for the seat after the second presidential debate.

what is happening with those names right now? >> it's hard to know what is going on behind the scenes, and he certainly said that those were potential nominees, so i am sure that his team is looking at those and maybe looking at some other possibilities because i imagine that they want to put up a nominee as soon as possible after he takes office on january 20th. >> in the meantime, what did the names on that list tell us about the goals he has for that nominee? >> they are all heartland conservatives is one way to describe them. quite conservative and many were actually law clerks to justice scalia or clarence thomas, and what is interesting is who is not on it, cavanagh, he is a judge on the d.c. circuit, and clement who is now the republican super lawyer that argued many of the high-profile cases at the supreme court are not on it, so as with the trump

campaign itself, you know, perhaps they are going to pick somebody who is going to fit the conservative mold but is a little bit of an outsider. >> republican leaders refuse to hold a confirmation hearing for meric garland and some suggesting they may have continued to prevent the seat from being filled, now can democrats block a trump nominee? >> i think it's going to be hard for them to do that now that they have the trump administration and the republicans have the majority in the senate. >> really? all right. and in the meantime, could the supreme court continue with eight people just indefinitely? >> they could, you know, and many supreme court cases are when they have nine justices are unanimous or decided by a vote of 8-1 or 7-2, and the catch is that many of the cases that people care the most about involving the high profile social issues like abortion and

affirmative action, gun control, they are often closely divided cases, and the supreme court may get work done but not take on some of the high profile cases they would otherwise take, and they may deadlock 4-4 on some of the high profile cases they do take on as they did last term in a couple cases. there are a few cases, some of the courts most interesting cases for this term, including one involving religious liberties that the court announced it would review before the death of justice antonin scalia in february, and it would suggest on the cases they want to try and put them off because they don't know whether they would be able to get five justices to rule on them on the merits. >> thank you so much for your

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isis fighters dug in willing to do anything to protect their turf. these civilians near mosul inhaled gas, killing four people and injuring hundreds. on friday the united nations said isis is stockpiling chemical weapons. that could be a war crime. it's also president-elect trump's deadliest challenge, and he says the current administration has not done enough and wants to wipe isis off the map. isis uses families as human shields to protect against air strikes, and they open fire on fleeing civilians, and villa is a researcher for human rights watch? >> we need to take the risk of

more use of chemical weapons by the islamic state as a real and serious risk. >> reporter: it has been a month since the battle started and isis is losing, and crimes like these will not help them keep mosul, but for iraqis it will leave a stench, a reminder civilians face the worse of this war. betty, war crimes are not just a concern for isis. just this week the pentagon announced u.s. air strikes have killed 119 civilians in iraq and syria over the past two years, every since they started bombing. now, that's just from the initial investigations, but it's something that donald trump is going to have to keep in mind if he is hoping to ramp up the fight here in the middle east. >> that's a good point. women and hillary clinton, and let's talk about that, why winning their vote was a struggle during the election.

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first woman to top the presidential ticket of a major party in the united states. but on tuesday, she was unable to break that final barrier. >> now i know, i know we have still not shattered that highest and hardest glass ceiling, but someday someone will and hopefully sooner than we might think right now. >> joining me now to talk about women and this election is the contributor to the atlantic. michelle, thank you for being was. let me ask you this, can some of clinton's los be attributed to even a fraction of women not being able to see a woman as president? >> i think it's almost impossible to parse kind of what the problem is, whether it was sexism in general, or hillary clinton was specifically the wrong woman in herself.

i mean a lot of what is sexist bias is unconscious, the old cliche of a man who's strong is a good leader and a woman who is strong is, you know, the b-word. so a lot of this has to do with kind of the visceral hatred of clinton. that said, clinton in herself is a really controversial polarizing figure. she's got amount of baggage from the 90s, she's been around so she's not a fresh face. i have talked to a lot of women even if they were going to pull the lever for her, weren't that excited about it because she didn't represent something new or different for them. >> many have said america can elect a black man, but not a woman. maybe it's larger, it encompasses many more things than just her being a female?

>> it's hard to tell if a lot of the visceral dislike of clinton has to do with unconscious bias about what leaders are supposed to be. when you talk about shrill or cackle or all the jokes about what looks presidential or feels presidential, people vote for president kind of differently than they vote for other offices and a lot of people have this alpha male image of what the president should b look at all the trump voters talking about finally a president who's a real, strong, manly leader, and of course that is in itself kind of a sexist view of what leaders should be. so i think it's impossible to pry apart what plays into kind of sexist bias and specifically clinton. >> and despite progress in the business world--do remember that some women were elected on tuesday, minority women, no

less. >> oh, sure, this isn't to say that there is some huge overt sexist plot afoot. but you've talked to women leaders, for instance, the first woman prime minister of australia, talked about how everything she did was criticized through the prism of gender and the sexism and misogyny she faced was surprising to her even after she was in office. no one is suggesting that people going to the poll and saying i will not voete for this women. but people are saying i will vote for a qualified woman. >> all those qualities. if we see a woman emerge in, say, four years, what qualities will she need to possess, what qualities will she need topo

says? >> presidents more than any other office, people need to feel kind of moved by, need to have that tingle up their leg or they need to be spoken to and trump, as unpopular as he was with a sector of the electorate, moved people with his strong leader talk. so we're going to need a female candidate who inspires in whatever way is going to work for her. >> thanks for breaking it down for us. and that's going to do it for me this hour. thanks for watching today, my colleague joy reed is next with the chances president-elect donald trump will build that wall along the country's southern border.

>> hello, everyone. and welcome to "a.m. joy." we had an election and basically everyone who predicted what the outcome was going to be was wrong. me included.