welcome everyone i'm alex witt at msnbc world headquarters in new york. just a bit past 1:00 p.m. in the east. a growing number of anti-trump protesters in new york city are marching towards trump tower heading north from union square. nbc's morgan radford is walking among them. morgan, welcome to you. what's it like right now? >> reporter: alex, with afternoon we are standing in the middle of the street here, thousands of protesters surrounding me. they started out at union square, we left at 12:30. you can see the signing carrying this is just a sense of the magnitude of people all the way around there. jam packing the streets and saying things like this is not my president. love trumps hate. but there is also this incredible concern that those who felt marginalized by president-elect donald trump's

comments will feel like this is an america that does not include them going forward. take a listen to what one person i spoke to had to say. >> i'm afraid of more black people will get shot in the street. i'm really afraid of that. because -- not because of trump necessarily but because of the language that is now part of the political discourse. i'm just afraid for everyone who is not a white male in this country right now. >> reporter: alex, i have to say i've covered quite a few protests from the black lives matter protests and this is something different, it's something unique. the energy here is electric, i spoke to an older protester who said, look, i grew up in the '60s, i remember what it was like to fight for equality and i feel like we are at that time again and what's also interesting is you heard a lot of people who said, look, i'm from the so-called protected class that wasn't targeted by some of these comments and they said they have come out here to

support their friends, their muslim friends, gay friends, they say their gay friends who are worried their marriages will be annulled. these are the issues we're hearing as you hear them chant behind me not my president. >> it may be difficult for you to hear me but it is clear that this is a group of people all walks of life are represented, looks like age groups, demographics, race, everybody seems to be represented. i listened, though, to that sound bite that was played, that woman when she's saying she's concerned that black people will be shot in the street. did she back from that at all or is that a legitimate concern for her because that's scary? >> reporter: alex, it's not only a legitimate concern for her, it's a legitimate concern for a lot of people who i have spoken to not only at this protest but people i have spoken to just in this city. they said they are wondering if this is almost a license to carry in terms of hate. that's what people here on the ground have told me and again you saw that woman. she told me, look, i am a white woman living in new york and i am here for my friends, the

people of color, i'm here for muslims because what i don't stand for is i don't stand for bigotry and i don't stand for hate. this is the strong language we are hearing among these protesters. there were a few counter protesters, i saw two young nice, they had spins supporting trump and they said what do you think? why do you think that donald trump is racist? give me one example. and a lot of people here are citing the examples of the things that he said in his bid for the white house. alex. >> we all recall that he did say he could stand on the corner of fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose a single constituent, not a single vote. morgan radford, thank you very much. we will keep tracking you and where you're going. some other political headlines, president-elect donald trump for the first time is talking about the concession call he received from hillary clinton as well as a separate phone call from former president bill clinton. it's part of his first sit down interview since pulling off the historic win tuesday night. it will air tomorrow night on "60 minutes." >> hillary called and it was a

lovely call and it was a tough call for me. i mean, i can imagine. tougher for her than it would have been for me and for me it would have been very, very difficult. she couldn't have been nicer and she just said, congratulations, donald, well done. and i said i want to thank you very much, you were a great competitor. she's very strong and very smart. >> what about bill clinton, did you talk to him? >> he did, he called the next day. >> really, what did he say? >> he actually called last night. >> what did he say? >> and he couldn't have been more gracious, he said it was an amazing run, one of the most amazing he has ever seen. >> he said that. >> he was very, very -- really very nice. >> days after trying to console those who voted for her hillary clinton is now trying to lift up her staff and volunteers. she made a visit to her brooklyn headquarters for a staff party with bill clinton, their daughter chelsea and campaign

officials huma abedin, onpodesta and rocky mook. she also alluded to that picture gone viral a day after her stunning loss. >> i know that, you know, you will take some time with friends and family or do what i've been doing, take your dogs for a walk if you have dogs or, you know, whatever else gives you some real pleasure. this is a hard loss for all of us because we know what was at stake in this election and we've got to do everything we can to continue to support the causes that we believe in because when you're ready i hope you will get up and get back out there and keep fighting. >> well, let's bring in nbc's kelly o'donnell at our washington bureau. what are you hearing about donald trump calling mitt romney and then about the trump team

transition? >> well, it's so interesting, alex, when we reflect on what you just played mr. with hillary clinton having to concede her election and talk to her supporters. mitt romney is another in that very rare group of people who have gone all the way to election day with millions of supporters and voters and dreams and aspirations about what they would do in the office only to suffer defeat. so mitt romney who tried to get involved again in this presidential psycycle in a coup ways, early on there was the flirtation of might he run for the republican nomination, that ended quickly. later when it emerged that donald trump was heading toward the path of becoming the romney successor as the next gop nominee it was romney who stepped forward with a scathing speech trying to encourage other republicans to move away from trump. we see how history has played out. after donald trump won the election mitt romney sent out a tweet calling the president elect duly elected and wishing

him well and that kind of a message meant to send a note to the party and to everyone that this is about the transition that is expected to be peaceful and supportive and to wish well the president. well, now donald trump has picked up the phone and called mitt romney. we don't have any details about what they said, but it is another sign of how donald trump as president elect is fielding calls and making calls to prominent individuals in this country and foreign leaders around the world, allies who he will need to work with and countries that will be a part of anything he tries to do with respect to foreign policy. so it has been a busy time for the president elect, trying to assemble a team, also trying to reach out and make contact with those people who can be a part of helping him to build an administration and helping him to get the best foot forward toward a successful presidency and having someone like mitt romney who has been so particularly critical, willing

to wish him well is an important sign and it's a part of that transition we talked so much about where people get behind the new president even when there are bruised feelings and very deep divides. >> yep, alex, he was elected this is how the country moves forward, it's how we do things in this country. as are the demonstrations that are under way today. >> that's part of it, too. >> it's part of the deal as well. thank you very much kelly o'donnell. joining me now sema meda and molly cooper. >> i will start with you molly, what did you glean from obama and trump's comments yesterday? are we hearing more about what went on in that room for 90 minutes. >> i think that actually from what i understand there weren't staff in the room. it was a one on one conversation and true to his word i think they were talking about the personnel issues facing donald trump now that he is going to take on this role as president of the united states.

it's a lot different than running a business, a private business that donald trump has been doing. i mean, all of a sudden the people that you hire are going to be in the spotlight, you're going to have to figure out how to manage a communications team, what kind of person did you hire to deal with congress, how do you thiel with your congressional liaisons. it's much more complex because not only are you hiring people to help you further your agenda and get the message out, but all these people will be under a lot of scrutiny. >> absolutely. sema, let's play what one of trump team transition members, what one of them said about how they are going to get mexico to pay for that wall. there is chris kobak, the kansas secretary of state and anti-immigration architect. >> all we tell them from this point forward after our regulation is passed if you want to send money home, remittences and you are an alien living in the united states, you have to prove that you are here legally

before that money can be sent. well, that would shut off more than $10 billion a year that is sent home to mexico from mexican nationals living illegally in the united states and the mexican people depend on that money. >> so what do you know about kobak's reputation within the republican party and what do you think this means for immigration reform in a trump administration? >> i think people who support immigration reform comprehensive immigration reform were alarmed by his comments because he is known as taking a hard line on issues such as illegal immigration. if you listen to donald trump's speech on election night he didn't talk about building the wall, he didn't talk about his most controversial plans, he talked about creating infrastructure jobs and he talked about caring for veterans, things that i think you can get some bipartisan agreement on. so i'm really interested to see how much of a priority he puts on immigration reform and building the wall or if that's one of the first things he

really tries to do. >> i think we all are pretty interested in that. molly, how are you reading into some of the possible trump appointments? we're hearing about john bolton, secretary of state, especially with all this talk about draining the swamp and being the outsider candidate. it seems like he is talking to a bunch of insiders. >> well, the interesting thing about john bolton is if you remember i was covering the senate at the time, george w. bush had tried to appoint john bolton as the u.n. ambassador and basically the senate democrats in charge at the time killed that nomination. eventually bolton was, you know, appointed via recess appointment. that said bolton has been kind of an outsider and it's really interesting given his remarks on the iran deal, we are going to see some interesting choices here. i think that it's really important that mike pence is heading up this transition team, though, because he has a lot of experience, he knows these players in washington, d.c., he knows congress, he knows governing, he was -- he was a

governor and i think that mike pence is going to be instrumental in vetting a lot of these choices for potential agency heads. >> what kind of order can trump execute on immigration and other key issues in that all important first 100 days? it's what we all look like as a gauge, a temperature which which things are going. the question here is how much of a reality with his campaign rhetoric, how much can that turn out to be implemented and turn into an actuality? >> well, i mean, he can certainly -- he can take a look at president obama's skurds and he can overturn those, but the other thing i found interesting is some of the things -- one of the things he talked about all the time was repealing and replacing obamacare. just this week in the last -- i think this is going to be in the 60 minutes interview he is talking about keeps parts of it, keeping -- making sure the people who have preexisting conditions of it insurance and allowing children up to the age of 26 to stay on their parents insurance. we're already heard a

moderation. >> walking back a bit. >> he is. it's going to be interesting to see how much he actually, you know, sticks with in terms of what he campaigned on. >> molly, before i let you go i want to talk about the next steps for the democrats. listen to what sanders supporter nina turner told me during this last hour. >> it really is, alex, about speaking to people's hearts. it wasn't about resumes, it wasn't about the best platform, it really was about people, whether they were black or white, although we know that the majority of white women did vote in that way, it's not people of color, she got 90% of the black woman vote, 80% of the black man vote, the majority of the votes from our hispanic sisters and brothers but it really is about knowing and recognizing that people were suffering in this country and mr. trump, like it or not, spoke to that hurt in a way that got him to be now president elect. >> did the emotions there, we've got draths like congressman keith ellis and howard deen they will throw their hats in the

ring for the chairmanship. how important is this step as far as the reconciliation party and future plans? >> it will show whether democrats learned from what just happened. keith ellis southeast son was one of two or three democrats in the house who supported bernie sanders, he is a progressive. he is also a muslim american, he appeals to a lot of members of the democratic party, then you have somebody like howard dean who already was the dnc chair and it sort of goes back to this issue of are we going to go with the same old thing that we have had before or are we going to try something fresh and new? somebody who speaks to the people, who are supporting one of our candidates. you know, especially after the wikileaks revelations about the dnc's dealings and what they've said about bernie sanders it's going to be really interesting to see how the democrats regroup and what they've learned from this election. >> it sure will. ladies, thank you so much.

>> thank you. the warning signs, the trouble the congresswoman saw in her district about how the election might go, she's written about it in the washington bureau post and claims democrats simply did not listen. i will speak with her next.

the key to donald trump's victory was cracking hillary clinton's so-called blue wall and winning states that tradition that he will vote democratic including pennsylvania, wisconsin and ohio, despite the polling showing that that otherwise might not happen. congresswoman debbie dingell joins me a democrat who represents the 12th district in michigan. a big welcome to you, you have written quite an article in the "washington post." the first part that i'm going to quote the president did save my state's auto industry but what many keep missing is working men and women don't see in in their

lives. they feel the system is rigged against them and those workers are white, black, hispanic, muslim, all races, creeds and colors, economic and national security fears overcame all other factors when they walked into the voting booth. talk about that, the fact that you claimed to have tried to express these concerns well before in i believe would listen. did they ever listen? >> i want to say it wasn't just -- i don't want to be part of a firing squad per se because there were a lot of people, the media, i have lots of friends in the media all discount it had as well. the fact of the matter is people missed the fact that it was coming down to the economy. i say to everybody the working men and women in my district don't want a lot. they want to make enough money so that they live in a safe neighborhood, they can put food on the table, go to the doctor when they need to, pay for the medicine they need, educate their kids and they don't -- too many of them are feeling it's

out of their range. on top of that i don't think that people understand how the anxiety that came from the 2008 economic near collapse has left an anxiety and fear in the hearts and souls of many, many people. and i think that's what -- how people voted. >> i want to get granular here and take a look at part of your district which is dearborn, headquarters to the ford motor compa company, the largest muslim population in this done dee. >> right now people are scared. first of all, president-elect trump was constantly attacking ford motor company, probably unfairly to be perfectly frank, but the trade issue was front and center, people are seeing their jobs shipped overseas and they have been seeing it for two decades. the muslims, you know, wednesday morning i was -- i start to cry -- i had a little eight-year-old girl who was sobbing in my arms saying to me she thought they was going to be killed in school. they're terrified, they're

scared to death. my district reflects the country and that's why, you know, i delivered my district because i did see it coming, it became a joke that i kept saying to everybody michigan is competitive. i said it to everybody and anybody. so we did what we needed to do to deliver the district overall. but what i call my down rivers which is the auto community is similar to much of michigan, macomb county which votes probably delivered this state for president-elect trump are the same kind of voters, they were the ones that were saying i need to have somebody who is going to vote for me and care about my job. >> as we look at michigan from the last election and this, i want to compare the numbers, 2012 first with obama getting 54% of the vote to mitt romney's 45%. 2016 numbers might i add that michigan has not officially been called yet, not all of the votes have been counted but at this point win for donald trump 48% to 47% for hillary clinton at this point. so give me the top thing to

which you attribute this. what do you think it was that kept it so fight all along despite thinking michigan would end up with hillary clinton. >> two factors, the one the one that i wrote about which is we as a democratic party have to figure out how we will keep being the voice for those who need somebody be a voice for them but at the same time have working men and women know we are fighting for them. we lost that. that's what i think probably in the end cost us the election, but also detroit vote and flint vote was down significantly. and had either of those come out at the obama levels this state would have stayed democratic, but the enthusiasm level there was down as well. >> i want to take a listen to what elizabeth warren told rachel maddow this week. here it is. >> donald trump did prove that he can listen to the american people. he proved that. he didn't listen to all of them. he didn't get the majority of votes, but he listened on the economic pain that a lot of

americans are feeling. he listened on the anxiety, that a lot of americans feel. our job is to make sure our voices get heard, he said he would be president of all the people, then let's hold him to it and let's help him do it. >> will he be able to do that? we are going to hold him to it, do you think he has the power to do that, to speak for everybody? >> actually it could be very interesting. he could build a coalition, i'm going to work with elizabeth warren and bernie sanders to fight for working men and women and deliver on a number of issues we need to see people deliver on. i think it will be very interesting to see what he does on healthcare, he has already talked about we are not -- i've never thought republicans wanted to totally repeat peel it because this err not going to tell people they can't get insurance for preexisting conditions or a number of other things but will donald trump talk on criminal justice reform? koch brothers have been saying

they need it. and on trade he will be at the forefront of putting a stop to bad trade deals which is why i said donald trump is appealing and exciting people in this country. >> hillary clinton's expectations and her ultimate campaign missteps article, early on bill clinton had pleaded with robby mook, mrs. clinton's campaign manager to try to do more outreach, i will get to the working right clause and rural voters but it would seem his advice fell on deaf ears. do you think that would have made the difference? >> i'm not in the mood for, okay, let's shoot people for not doing what they do -- >> you do have some inn heights. >> i do believe that was part of the problem and i said it for 18 months. i said it to dennis williams the president of the united auto workers a year ago september, it was 18 months ago there is a problem inside the unions. and he agreed. i mean, we talk about the uaw but there is a group of teamsters whose pensions is being cut 60% to 70%. do you know what it's like to work for a lifetime, put your

money in and suddenly not have the money there when you are retiring? that's called fear. >> absolutely. before i let you go i do want to talk about your husband john dingell who provided over the passage of med kafr in 1965 and there is produced a healthcare bill every two years. he also let nancy pelosi use the same gavel when obamacare passed the house in 2010. what do you think will be the future of the affordable care act with trump and republicans controlling both chambers? >> i think we are all going to work to make sure that the 20 million people that have insurance now don't lose it. i think there are fundamentals principles of it like not anyone being denied insurance because of preexisting condition, a woman's gender not being a preexisting condition, lifetime caps removed, preventive care, you are seeing donald trump already when he looks at what's in there knowing we can't go back on that. we have to figure out how we will pay for it.

if you can fwarn me every american in this country has a right to affordable healthcare i will work with you to deliver on that promise. >> i know you don't want to be a part of a firing squad but as i read your article it was insightful, honest and spot on. >> can i also say this, it's a message to democrats. i'm more worried -- i wasn't interested in looking back, i'm looking forward and i think too many democrats aren't understanding this. >> okay. thank you very much. last word from you for now. as we also keep a look on things happening on fifth avenue, there are a bunch of folks, thousands, in fact, that are going north on fifth avenue from union square to trump tower, that's going to be the end point, there is morgan radford, we will check in with her coming up.

welcome back. i'm alex witt at msnbc world headquarters in new york. here is what we're monitoring, the u.s. is pledging to investigate a deadly suicide bombing, it killed four americans at a u.s. airfield in afghanistan. secretary of defense ash carter

released a statement saying, quote, for those that carried out this attack my message is simple, we will not be deterred in our message to protect our homeland and help afghanistan secure its own future. two u.s. service members and two u.s. contractors are among the dead, 16 others are wounded. now back stateside to the protest in new york city over the results of the election. we're bringing back morgan radford walking along the parade route from union square to trump tour. how far are you now? i'm trying to measure your progress on a map. where are you? >> reporter: we are on 35th now, alex, so we are less than a mile away from trump towers and we are just blocks away from the heart of times square, but this crowd started as hundreds we were at union square today it's grown now to thousands. you are hearingeoe say things like trump go away, racist, sexist, anti-gay, they are also saying we reject the president elect. but i want to introduce you to mike here. mike, you have been protesting

today. why did you decide to come out here? >> first of all, i have never protested. i was supposed to go to the spa today and i was ashamed of myself and said i have to get out. i'm protesting because of the rhetoric that was used during this campaign, the bigotry, the racism, the anti-african-american, anti-mexicans, anti-gay. we cannot allow this. i'm not challenging democracy, i'm not challenging the change of the electoral college. president trump is going to be president trump, but that being said he cannot forget our voices. we have to be heard because we cannot allow this kind of person to continue with this rhetoric in the office of presidency representing us americans all of americans here. >> and you said this is your first time protesting but you know, mike, some of the critics say what's the point? we know that donald trump is going to be president for the next four years. why protest? why was that your form of

expression? >> because i feel like i have to do something. i voted for hillary clinton, i now need to to something more. i now need to take action. i now can't sit on my couch anymore and not let my voice be heard. i've done it way too long and now i'm going to start doing something and this is the beginning of that. >> reporter: it is this is the type of thing that you hear people chanting their support -- >> we have to get out and ma our voices be heard. >> reporter: people are saying they want to be the voice for inclusion, for those millions of people who said they felt marginalized by president-elect donald trump's comments in his campaign strategy, they now say they are out here and they are now chanting for inclusion, alex. >> all right. nbc's morgan radford among a very passionate group of people along fifth avenue. thank you for that. we will check in with you again on this route a bit later. why would donald trump call mitt romney after his scathing attacks against the businessman? some thoughts from a political campaign insider next. here you go.

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sources tell nbc news today that donald trump called mitt romney the 2012 republican presidential nominee after trump's unexpected victory tuesday night. romney had come out forcefully against the president elect calling him a phoney and a fraud. let's bring in elise jordan, former advisory to the rand paul campaign. most curious, concerning the history between them, why do you think trump would call romney? >> trump has been on really exceptional behavior overall with the exception of one tweet about protesters since he was elected he gave a fwrashs acceptance speech and right now he can focusing on unifying the party. reaching out to romney is a critical piece of that. if he continues to reach out to republicans who opposed him during the primary and during the general election, he's going to have a much better chance of being able to really have a mandate when he's in washington

and trying to pass his legislative agenda. >> getting to all those people that opposed him, there is a pretty long list of republicans including many of whom -- >> he will be quite busy. >> they refused to support trump. what happens to them now? do they just have to fall in line? >> i don't think that republicans who have opposed trump are necessarily going to fall into line. i think that if he pushes out policy proposals that they can support they will, but i see some republicans myself included i'm not going to just forgive the racial dog whistles, the misogy misogyny, the comments that he made that i do think have been tremendously hurtful to the fabric of our nation. i think if he could his best move right now would be to just tell his supporters, hey, the election is over, i do not condone in any way, shape or form this kind of language. we are all coming together as americans and to really just try to start anew. >> so do you wait for him to do

that? do you get vocal about it being a pretty forceful anti-trump supporter there, very strong, you know -- i mean, no way trump was what your voice was saying basically. what do you think now? >> i'm going to keep telling it as it is. for now like john wayne said after nixon lost to jfk in 1960 he said that, you know, jfk is his president, he might not be excited about it but he is his president and that's the way i feel. we need to come together as americans and try to hope for the best. you know, in hopes that that will happen. and we need to be forceful when things are happening that are unacceptable we need to make those voices heard, too. i think that keeping up the pressure is the best way to ensure responsible governance. >> as we look at the first 100 days in office what are your expectations? what do you think his priorities will be or should be? and are they different? >> he said that he is going to do quite a lot on his first day in office so i wonder what he actually will be able to

accomplish on that very first day. you know, i'm hoping that he rips up a lot of regulations that obama had enacted with executive authority. it's going to be interesting to sisi how he handles the iran deal. he said he would rip it you will completely, i don't know that he's going to go through and look at actual compliance and look at how iran has been complying with the deal or not. he's not going to be o able to build a wall in his first 100 days and he is not going to be able to get to get congress to pay for it while he negotiates with next mexico to pay for it. some of the big ticket items that he has said such as the wall are going to be a little bit more complicated in actuality and then otherwise he has been fairly vague on what his specific policies would be. it's definitely going to give us plenty to talk about and respond to. >> a lot of people looking at the obamacare, the affordable care act and he has -- first of all he was saying that was going to be repealed immediately, now he's saying after speaking with the president maybe the

conditions where parents can keep their kids on longer, not denying coverage to those people who have preexisting conditions those are two things he is considering which would come as a el with come relief to a lot of people listening to this. hedging on obamacare again he has indicated he wants to save some health insurance programs so what will stay ultimately, what will go. the next hour the global donald trump how will the president elect lead on the world stage? when i first started working with capital one, my dad called them up and asked for "the jennifer garner card" which is such a dad thing to do. after he gave his name the woman from capital one said "mr. garner, are you related to jennifer?" kind of joking with him. and my dad was so proud to tell her, "as a matter of fact, she is my middle daughter". so now dad has the venture card, he's earning his double miles, and he made a friend at the company. can i say it? go ahead! what's in your wallet? nice job dad.

repealing and replacing obamacare was one of donald trump's signature campaign promises but the reality of the pledge is not so simple. larry kudlow of the trump campaign senior economic adviser described one possible approach on our air yesterday. let's take a listen. >> i think the issue on obamacare is you've just got to get rid of the mandates because the insurance costs are too high. i think you have to make the exchanges work. you're going to have to figure

some way to help the insurance companies get out of this. the house republicans do not want to bail out the insurance companies, i think they're light, but they're going to have to figure out some way to get them through this transition. >> joining me now is forbes opinion editor obrich roy, also a former advisory to the romney 2012 campaign on healthcare. thanks for joining me. >> alex, how are you? >> immigrate. thanks. let's break this down right now. can the affordable care act really survive without the mandates? >> yeah, absolutely. i wrote a pie for forbes about this this morning explaining how donald trump is actually getting a bad rap on some of these pledges that he has been making about certain features of obamacare that he's not opposed to, like preexisting conditions. throughout the campaign for a year that i have he has talked about that. he's pledged, one, that he wants to repeal and rephrase obamacare, two, he has pledged to cover he everybody, and, three, he wants health insurance to be less expensive.

with the right kind of legislation you can accomplish all of those depose in a trump presidency. >> what kind of help is kudlow referencing when he says there needs to be a way to help the insurance companies get out of this? >> well, i think the way you do it, the way i would do it if i were paul ryan or mitch mcconnell would be you can pass a reconciliation bill that would partially repeal the funding streams of the aca but that repeal wouldn't go into effect for two years and in that two-year period from 2017 to 2019 you then fashion the replacement plan that achieves these other goals, covering more people in the aca and reducing the cost of insurance for the people struggling to afford it today. >> let's talk about the president elect said when he told the "wall street journal," quote, either obamacare is going to be amended, repealed or replaced, those are the only three options basically and that signals a potential walk back from the full repeal that he

called for during the campaign. there is a shift in tone. you are talking about things that you think got lost in translation, right, that he did talk about some things he would stay with, but within he talks about repealing obamacare in its entirety, it's hard to sort of cherry pick what he's really talking about. >> listen, i've been as you know, alex, i have not been shy to criticize donald trump during the campaign where is disagreed on this. i think on this he has gotten a bad rap. on his policy pronouncements he has been consistent in saying he wants to repeal and replace obamacare but wants to cover more people. they said if you want to repeal and replace obamacare you must not want people to have health insurance and what donald trump has tried to argue and others certainly in the republican party and the conservative world there are other ways to achieve that goal that don't do it the way obamacare does it. >> okay. let's get a little bit in the weeds here because i'm curious how soon a trump administration could begin implementing changes to the affordable care act. i mean, i'm reading in part here

even on day one he could do things. could insured individuals see changes to their policies on the first day in office? >> no, they couldn't see changes to their policies because the policies are designed this year for enrollment next year and last year for enrollment this year. so all that stuff requires a long lead time. there wouldn't be any significant disruption for people covered today under the aca and congress will make sure that any repeal and replace approach minimizes or zeros out the disruption in the future because people in congress understand they don't want people to have a disruption in health coverage and healthcare because that can be costly down the road in terms of the quality of the care they receive and the political mandate they have for better reforms. there is again a very careful way to do this with transitional considerations. >> okay. so quickly, he couldn't then immediately cancel these cost sharing reductions, the payments that help the low income obamacare enrollees afford their

deduct i believe r i believe so. >> there is talk in the think tank toward about that. i don't think that would be wise. i think you do what's appropriate under the aca obama administration did that were in the minds of many republicans and conservatives and people in the court system, they were illegal, went beyond the statute. maybe roll those things back. you're not trying to disrupt coverage and prevent people from having coverage. i think that would be a mistake. i don't think that's what donald trump wants. he wants to make sure everybody has coverage and disruption in the system is minimized. there are different things from a regulation standpoint he could do to make the exchanges work better. there are regulations the obama administration imposed that made health insurance more expensive and less affordable. >> thank you very much. i'm sure we'll have you back on to talk about this. face-to-face drew worldwide attention. the inside word on president

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vowing a peaceful transition of power, president obama hosted the president-elect in the oval office thursday. the two men were respectful and cordial. what was the underlying mood? joining me is the white house correspondent. julie, a big welcome to you. you wrote about the meetding. what surprised you most? >> it was a surreal experience to be in the oval office with the two of them. they both seemed to really not fully believe themselves that they were there. donald trump looked a little bit nervous. the president was very serious, but the two of them addressed each other with respect. they made a point saying they respect each other. donald trump said it was a great honor that president obama was a good man, and they looked at each other in the eye and clasped hands. i think were really trying to convey they were burying the hatchet. it was so incongruous with the

tone of his campaign. we would have loved to have been in the room for those 90 minutes. >> you think? you look at what happened recently as monday when the president said donald trump was unfit to hold the office. do you expect this to continue, this appearance of mutual respect? >> i really do. i think we can see from the victory speech that donald trump gave on election night and in his public statements he's made since then, he's really trying to turn a new page to seymour like a uniter rather than a divider. we definitely know president obama is determined to be seen as professional, to do this transition right. he's mentioned several times he really appreciated that george w. bush treated him with respect and helped him make the transition in a smooth kay. at this point, so many other

aspects of his legacy are big question marks given donald trump will be respect. he wants the transition to be a good one. >> you bring up the transition. i want to bring up the photo that accompanied your article of the staff. everybody wearing black there looked almost funerial. do you expect any shenanigans? remember in the transition previously the "ws" taken off the typewriters. we heard about that long ago in the transition of george w. bush's team. >> absolutely. i think in this case the tone is set at the top. the president made clear he wants them to implement this transition in a professional way and in a respectful way. i wouldn't be that surprised to see a few things go awry because

there is just so much sadness and bitterness and a feeling of having been blind-sided. i do think people i talked to in the west wing, really almost as a self-therapy measure are saying they are going to focus on doing their jobs, finishing out the last 70 days and one of those big parts of that job is turning over the government to donald trump and making sure he's able to take the baton. they may not want for him to succeed on his agenda, but they want the democratic transition to succeed the way the president said he wants it to. we'll see what happens. >> julie, thank you very much. that's a wrap for me. i'm alex witt. our live coverage continues next with katy tur. she'll speak to one of the architects of obamacare about what president-elect trump needs to save. on your feet? i've been on my feet all day. dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles have a unique gel wave design for outrageous comfort that helps you feel more energized.

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