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whether steve bannon and reince priebus will be part of it. >> both of those men are thought to have very important roles in his administration, very senior roles. that regardless of title, that's absolutely what's going to happen. the thing about bannon that people don't understand is that in this campaign, he has been the general and he has worked closely with reince priebus and the rest of that as part of the small core team. we couldn't have done it without priebus or bannon. >> the president-elect is crediting his use of social media for his win but suggesting he might scale back on using twitter during his presidency. his comments are part of his first sit-down interview since election night and will air on "60 minutes" tonight. >> i have a method of fighting back that's very tough. >> you are going to that as president? >> i'm going to do very restr n restrained, if i use it at all. i really believe that the fact that i have such power in terms of numbers with facebook,

twitter, instagram, i think it helped me win all of these races where they're spending more money than i spent. and i won. i think that social media has more power than the money they spent. i think to a certain extent i proved that. >> new reaction from bernie sanders on whether democrats in congress will work with president-elect trump. >> i did everything i could to see that he not become elected. but he won. our job now is to hold him accountable. if mr. trump has the courage to take on wall street, to take on the drug companies, to try to work forward, go forward to create a better life for working people, we will work with him on issue by issue. but if his presidency is going to be about discrimination, if it's going to be about scapegoating immigrants or scapegoating african-americans or muslims, we will oppose him

vigorously. >> during his snl debut last night, there was a voice of a similar sentiment and ended with a personal message to president-elect trump. >> i feel bad saying it. i'm staying at a trump hotel right now. i don't know if he will make a good president. he makes a swell hotel suite. i'm wishing donald trump luck. i'm going to give him a chance. we the historically disenfranchised demand that he give us one, too. >> the president-elect has been keeping a low profile this weekend, hunkering down at trump tower as he decides who will be part of his cabinet going forward. hallie jackson joins me from washington. let's talk about who is on the short list. >> let's start with the chief of staff position. a source close to president-elect trump tells me reince priebus is the front runner. as you heard kellyanne conway

say, steve bannon expected to have a senior position in the administration. as is former campaign manager corey lewandowski whose name had been mentioned as being in the mix for chief. but there are question mash mar where he will end up. chris christie had been angling for that position. he may find another role elsewhere. these are people who have been loyal to donald trump for a long time. people like rudy giuliani whose name came up as possible attorney general or something who might be posted to the secretary of state position. giuliani was asked about something else today, specifically relating to what happens to donald trump's business when he takes over as the -- takes over the white house, ends up in the oval office and not at trump tower. there had been talk about his kids taking over in a blind trust. this is something that trump had said on the campaign trail. giuliani was pressed about it today. listen. >> for the good of the country and the fact that you don't want a question coming up every time there's a decision made, he should basically take himself

out of it and just be a passive participant in the sense that he has no decision making, no involvement and those decisions get made separate from him. >> there are questions about potential conflict of interest for a president-elect trump, soon to be president trump and the businessman trump who has run this obviously multi-billion dollar worldwide global organization. that's one issue that needs to be worked out. another the lawsuit against him is part of trump university. i can share news with you. we are learning according to our reporting that in san diego federal court yesterday, donald trump's lawyers have asked to delay the trial set to start november 28 until after the inauguration. we will see what that ruling is. remember, this trial was supposed to begin after thanksgiving. but there are questions now about whether or not that will get delayed until january. the lawyers are apparently asking for trump to be excused from having to testify in person

in this case. >> i wondered about that. trump tweeted this morning that he received congratulatory phone calls from a number of former adversaries, both bushes, john kasich. can you confirm those calls took place? is this an attempt on his part to mend fences? >> i think it is it a mending fences operation here. he is now the president-elect of the united states. he has been -- he has talked about wanting to bring the party together. it appears as though that's happening. regarding the phone calls, his former campaign manager kellyanne conway did say that they had made phone calls with jeb bush, john kasich, carly fiorina. former president jimmy carter says he called donald trump as well in addition to hillary clinton. even though the former president didn't support trump. he wanted to call to begin the healing process. there were question marks about the mitt romney phone call. donald trump tweeted that romney had called him. there had been reporting that he was the one who reached out to romney.

she here is what peter alexander says. mitt romney reached out to donald trump first. they played phone tag. then the president-elect called him back. he is fielding lots of phone calls not just from people in the republican party but with international leaders, too. >> hallie jackson, thank you for talking with me. donald trump's election has prompted a dire warning from the naacp. let's talk about this. joining me now is the naacp president and ceo. you wrote that the naacp is willing to work with the trump administration to realize racial justice concerns. do you believe that will actually happen? how do you see that playing out?

>> we are, in fact, hopeful. hope has to have an empirical basis. the president-elect's victory speech was a hopeful sign. his appointments will be telling. the presence of steve bannon in the mix is discouraging in terms of his association with the alt right. we're willing to work with the administration. to the extent the president-elect standing with the constitution, with american civil rights agenda, we're willing to stand beside him. to the extent he does not, we will stand against him and oppose any kind of agenda that runs contrary to our values and mission. >> wasn't to get your take on this. on friday michael moore shared his thoughts on the election. here is a piece of that. will get your response. >> you have to accept that millions of people voted for barack obama, some of them once,

some of them twice, changed their minds this time. they're not racists. they twice voted for a man whose middle name is hussein. that's the america you live in. >> what's your response to that? >> it's clear that donald j. trump won without the popular vote, with 25% of the vote and undoubtedly with suppressed votes. donald j. trump has a mandate -- i should say, does not have a mandate and doesn't have a mandate for hate. people looking for change, they're looking for relief of economic anxieties. they're looking for long-term well paying jobs. they're looking for secure economic future. to the extent he speaks to those concerns, he can move the country forward. all the misogyny, the racism, the anti-semitism, the

islamaphobia and the consequence of this toxic campaign is something that he has to address. mr. trump will become the commander in chief. people expect him to bernie sanders -- to be the example setter. that means speaking against the very rhetoric that we heard over and over in terms of this campaign. he has to do that. >> let's talk about the exit polls we saw tuesday. trump did better with african-american voters than mitt romney did in 2012. how do you explain that? >> listen to this. fewer people turned out to vote across the board, across all demographic groups. mr. trump won with fewer votes than mitt romney did in losing. we need to be clear. there's no mandate for hate. there's not a clear message in terms of him being a persuasive or compelling figure to african-americans. what his candidacy does say and his victory does say is that the

country is looking for fundamental change with respect to improvement of the people's economic well-being and their economic security. beyond that, i'm not sure how much you can extrapolate. certainly, you can't assert that he is the choice of african-americans. or the choice of most people in the country in terms of the popular vote. >> i want to get a take on an article. it says there were 868 fewer polling places in the state of north carolina. >> that's right. >> just one early voting location where there were 16 in 2012. i spoke with north carolina congresswoman renee ellmers who said it didn't affect turnout in her opinion. what are you hearing? >> that is not the case. here is what we saw. in the course of this campaign, roughly ten cases of voter suppression as attested to in the courts. the naacp went to court in texas to save 600,000 votes. 500,000 votes in alabama. and 5% of the electorate in

terms of votes that were in peril as a consequence of voter suppression. we saw fewer polling places. we saw on the eve of the election 4,000 votes that had to be put -- voter registrations that had to be put back in play through the actions of a federal district court judge. this election took place under a cloud of democratic and civic shame. it's disgusting. it's unconscionable that the naacp and so many others have to go to court again and again to protect the right to vote. >> in this case, do you think it affected the outcome? >> definitely. note the places where the election was particularly tight. in north carolina, certainly, wisconsin and ohio. the very places where we have seen voter suppressive efforts again and again. >> i feel like we have been tap dancing. we're tap dancing between people who believe that things are unfair. you talk about maybe the fact that these changes affected the

outcome. and then at the same time, striking a conciliatory tone saying, we have to move forward. let me do this. on monday, president obama was in michigan. here is what he had to say about the now president-elect. >> donald trump is temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief. look, think about this. over the weekend, his campaign took away his twitter account. now, if your closest advisors don't trust you to tweet, then can we trust him with the nuclear codes? >> do you see what i mean? leaders have influence. if we have the president of the united states saying that this man is unfit and then we had during the campaign, we had trump saying all of these inflammatory things and now you are supposed to tell all of these people who were rooting for you on both sides, no, no,

no, let's mend fences, let's move on, kumbaya. it's not so easy to do. >> you absolutely are making sense. here are the facts. we cannot sugarcoat what we endured during the campaign. we have to be candid and blunt about mr. trump as a candidate and we also need to be honest if perhaps a little hopeful about who he might be and how he might serve as president. these two things have to be held to attention. we have to reconcile them. mr. trump was a eply, deeply troubling candidate. and to the extent that past performance is a prediction of future conduct, this is troubling with respect to how he will lead as president. that being said, when he takes the oath of office, when he places i had ha s his hand on te becomes our president. and by our, we mean he owes a duty of loyalty and he is accountable to we the people.

we muslim americans, immigrant americans, lgbtq americans, african-americans, people of every walk and every region and religion in this country. he has to do that. we are hopeful about that. but we are realistic by what we may need do if he acts as president as he did as candidate. >> i will leave it there. hopeful and realistic, two words you leave us with. >> thank you. i will ask former vp nominee bill weld if he and gary johnson feel responsible for donald trump winning the presidency. for lower back pain sufferers,

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many voters unsatisfied with this campaign's major party candidates looked to third-party candidates.

the total vote for third-party candidates clocking in at more than 5.5 million. might they have handed donald trump the presidency? joining me now is former libertarian vice-president candidate, bill weld. he is the former governor of massachusetts. thank you for talking with me. >> thank you. always a pleasure. >> let's listen to a moment from your interview before the election and let's talk. >> i'm here vouching for mrs. clinton. i think it's high time somebody did. i'm doing it based on my personal experience with her. i think she deserves to have people vouch for her other than members of the democratic national committee. so i'm here do that. >> what's your take now that you have seen the outcome? should third-party candidates feel responsible? >> i think the country needs a third party in washington, d.c. i was at paining during the election to make sure we took

more votes from mr. trump than from mrs. clinton. the statistics do bear that out. i don't think we had a role in mr. trump's victory. at the same time, it was fun to run as the socially inclusive yet fiscally responsible ticket. we were the only ticket in favor of free trade. i think the issues that we were pitching would be very useful in washington, d.c. i have no second thoughts. >> what compelled you in your ports to vouch for hillary clinton? >> i have known mrs. clinton a long time. i worked with her in the 1970s. i know her to be a desebcent an intelligence and hardworking people. mr. trump, it's a poser. his behavior led me to question whether he had the stability to serve competently as president of the united states, given all the pressures that the occupant of the office is beset by. on the other hand, he has run a big company for a long time.

there's some evidence that he and his team are walking back some of the more colorful suggestions they made. i think they're walking back being lock her up, the we're going to repeal everything about obamacare. i hope they walk back the closed border and closed economy. those are economically threatening. i hope they walk back the rounding up the 11 million people in the middle of the night and deporting them. those are not workable theories or suggestions. >> do you have any regrets? would you have approached the campaign differently if you knew donald trump would win by a tight margin in certain states? >> we were swinging away. we are the only party that's socially inclusive and fiscally responsible. the democrats like to spend money too much. the republicans, they got to their convention and they said how can we make the platform more mean spirited. they succeeded in doing that.

i think the combination of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is a good combination. it probably speaks for more than half the people in the country. i would like to see that set of positions grow in washington, d.c. they got gridlock down there now. they don't agree about anything. they just want to kill each other. >> speaking of gridlock, in your opinion, how should this election change the way people look at third party candidates moving forward? >> well, i think the message that we do want to have a balanced budget and that we do want to be inclusive -- i wouldn't say minorities, just unleash the energies of all americans, period. that's a message that has got to resonate. the campaign was so ugly that if you just look at the campaign, it's not going to advance that message at all. a degree with your guest mr. brooks from the naacp who said that the campaign really was dreadful and we have to be

hopeful that the past won't be p prologue. probably they were over the top because they thought that would energize the base. i hope that's not characteristic of the next four years. >> what role do you see for yourself after president-elect trump takes office? >> i might be kind of provocateur on issues of particular interest to me like term limits and a balanced budget in washington, d.c. i'm going to try to help the libertarian party stick around and advance its ideas, which i think are a very fine blend on the social side and the fiscal side. >> just for the record, if you -- would you say that you don't think that if a third party candidate wasn't a factor, that perhaps he would have won michigan or hillary clinton i should say or michigan or some of the other states? >> i don't tli thhink we were a factor. we took more from mr. trump than from hillary clinton. >> i think gary johnson got 174,000 votes in michigan.

and hillary clinton lost by 12,000. >> yeah. if those votes are evenly spread, then it's not going to be an impact. >> i will tell you this, bill. i struggle with it because i was talking to friends the other day. we were talking about third party candidates. the challenge is a lot of people agree that you need another voice in this race. but then at the same time when it comes to being neck and neck, they feel the third party candidate is messing up the option. how do we reconcile this notion? >> i think we're going to have to have third parties. we have have to have some voices other than people in washington, d.c. saying we deserve to be a monopoly and vote for me because the other fellow might win. that's an argument that has no contt. it assumes its own conclusion. i think third parties are here to stay. i think we need more influence rather than less. historically, third parties have

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welcome back. at the half hour, here is what we're monitoring. two people are dead following an earthquake in new zealand near christchurch. so far the waves are small and have not caused major damage. the department of civil defense is warning people all along the east coast to move to higher ground. minor damage from the quake has been reported. there are no reports of deaths or injuries. thousands of anti-trump

demonstrators are hitting the streets for the fifth day in a row. in new york city, protesters will surround trump power again less than an hour from now when the march kicks off. morgan radford is there. are you starting to see people gathering there yet? >> reporter: they're not gathering here yet. in fact, as you can see, we're outside the trump tower. we expect to see them in an hour, because at 2:00 p.m., they are going to con vevene at trum hotel and then they will make their way down here. yesterday, if could you mayou c, this area was jam packed. it was almost where you could have standing room only. people rr outside. they were chanting things like, i reject the president-elect. they are saying, we are the popular vote. there are people that held signs that said my body, my choice. they said, we understand that donald trump is going to be our next president. but what we're trying to do today is voice our concerns and show the people who feel

marginalized by his comments during his campaign that we stand with them, people were saying things like, i stand with my muslim brothers and sisters, my gay brothers and sisters. that's what we expect to hear today as people convene here in front of trump tower. >> morgan radford, thank you for checking in with us. joining me now is former georgia congressman jack kingston. his name has been floated for a possible position in the administration. thanks for talking with me. >> thank you. thank you for letting me come on the show during the campaign. i appreciate the forum. >> absolutely. i want to get your thoughts on the divide we're facie ining at moment. there are so many people who believe if you voted for trump, you are a racist or somehow okay with some of the inflammatory things he said in the past. can you speak to that? what do you want those people to know who are frankly so upset? >> you know, i understand their das poi

disappointment. you do get disappointed when your team loses. you have to give it time. i think the tempered tone in which donald trump spoke 4:00 a.m. wednesday morning started things going off well, followed by hillary clinton the next day and then followed off by the meeting with president obama. i think continuing to reach out to people, heads of state from other countries. romney and kasich within our own party. but talking to the democrat leaders as well. i think all of that is very, very important. the other thing he needs to do is make sure the team that he appoints, his cabinet and everybody else, that it looks like america. he will, i believe, send a signal that people of all backgrounds and all philosophies are welcome in my cabinet. it's not going to be lip service. you will see the names and faces. >> you mentioned tone. can i be honest? i have never seen anything like this in my career where people calling me and they were crying. people were afraid. people were -- people have fear.

they were asking me, look, i'm a news anchor, i'm a host, i don't know what to tell you. i thought, maybe congressman kingston can speak to that. people are seriously afraid. should they be? >> no. absolutely not. i can promise you, i've been in the back scenes of the campaign, not with the campaign anymore, by the way. you know, up close and personal, there's none of this bigotry and racism. you know, i with john lewis authored a bill to build the civil rights museum here in washington, d.c. yet i was called racist over and over again. i was proud to have a district that was 30% african-american. i live in savannah, georgia. but i was called a racist and a bigot and all kinds of things. there has been hyperbole that has gotten away from reality. i can promise you as a trump supporter that i am -- i want to reach out, i want an inclusive

team. i believe you will find that. i'm not in a decision making capacity. i can promise you those who are are going to make sure that these protefrsters are listened to. if you look at what david chappell said last night and andrew young has said on yout e youtube, there have been a lot of hard-core democrats who have said, i did not vote for the man, but let's give him some time. >> you know what? i think you are right. i fell asleep last night because i'm doing the show today, but i watched it this morning, and a lot people watched that, the monologue. i think the challenge is, they are wondering, can somebody else speak to the people who are doing these racist things? there have been 200-plus different things that have happened in south philadelphia, all over the country. i think that's who somebody is saying, talk to them, tell them to stop. >> i would say that they need to absolutely stop. but i would say also the people who have pinatas of donald

trump, president-elect of the united states of america and they are showing their hate through small children and getting small children to hit an effigy, the symbol of donald trump. to me, if somebody had done that on barack obama, we would have never heard the end of it. the shoe has to fit both feet. i think that's what leadership is all about on the democrat, the republican and the libertarian side. we understand you are disappointed. that's not the way to move forward with your agenda. we need to work together. >> let's talk about moving forward. i want to play for you what president-elect trump said about border security. this is in an interview that will air on "60 minutes" tonight. take a listen. >> are you going to build a wall? >> yes. >> they are talking about a fence in the republican congress. would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas i would. but certain areas a wall is more appropriate. i'm very good at this. this is called construction.

>> part pawall, part fence in. >> it could be fencing. >> he will keep part of obamacare. are there any that you consider non-negotiable, that the president-elect cannot afford to walk back? >> i think he is going to have to stick with immigration security. that's going to have to be passed through both houses and congress and there's going to be amendments. the same thing with obamacare. same thing with tax reform. the republicans are going to have a plan. the democrats are going to have a plan. it has to be cobbled together. i think he absolutely will stick with his campaign promises. of immigration security, repealing obamacare, renegotiating trade agreements, conservative judges, energy and inf infrastructu infrastructure. roads, bridges and dams bring democrats and republicans together. those are jobs programs that everybody can invest in. i think that's going to be one of the major initiatives out of the chute. i think it will bring people

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you want to grow the republican party? pay attention to what he has done. >> that's kellyanne conway talking to chuck todd. let's bring in the vice-president of communications at the bipartisan policy center and an msnbc computer and peter emerson, he has been involved in two presidential transitions and he is a huffington post contributor. qualifies, both of you. good afternoon to you. first of all, robert, your reaction to what you heard from kellyanne conway? you were not a trump fan. >> i was not a trump fan. kellyanne conway is an old colleague and friend of mine. i agree with her to a point. there's something to be learned from the electorate, but there's economic anxiety out there. here is another question that america has to ask itself. where is that bright line? where is the bright line when it cops to offending gold star

american s americans? when it comes to offending people with disabilities? when it comes to offending people that are perhaps of a different gender from you? people laughed at that stuff throughout this campaign. people embraced that stuff during the campaign. the question becomes, is that something that we have to learn from the american electorate this past tuesday? absolutely. who are we as a country? >> you are saying there was -- >> someone like a donald trump -- >> essentially, you are saying you believe there was a racist almost that drove some of the enthusiasm? is that a fair point? >> well, i think that's partly it. but i think it's misogynous tick. it's bigotry. there's a lot there that we have to ask ourselves of who is voting for donald trump. it's not that every single person that voted for donald trump falls into that category. my question is, what is your line when you say enough is enough, i can't support someone who embraces this rhetoric? that's the question we have to ask ourselves. >> a lot of people have said that over the last hour. peter, moving forward, since you

have done this several times, talk about what's going on in the trump camp right now. what's the obama administration's role in this? n >> the transition is very compressed. we ought to be focused on what's going to happen. the first thing is politics. the second thing is personnel. third is policy. then there's pros. the four ps. politics is going to determine a lot of the personnel decisions. including chief of staff, which i gather it's going to be announced relatively soon. trump is obvious lly way behindn the popular vote. that's going to be taken into account. how does he begin to bring more people into his fear of governance so he can make a difference? then the personnel decisions are going to be very, very important. cabinet in particular and what kind of style of government is

he going to run? is it white house centric, meaning the white house determines everything and the cabinet follows? will there be some cabinet members that have power on their own? i would suspect giuliani would be one of those if he's appointed to the department of justice. >> i will jump in there. this morning trump -- giuliani offered his take on why clinton lost. >> secretary clinton reported she believes she would have won but for the interference of the fbi director james comey. your response to that? >> well, you know, i think it was obamacare. we put up front in all of donald trump's speeches for the last two or three weeks not the fbi but obamacare. that seemed to be the thing that moved the votes in michigan, that moved the votes in places where we -- pennsylvania, wisconsin. >> i wasn't expecting that. do you buy that? was health care the critical

issue for voters in the key swing states? >> you know, it's possible. i think that might have been the linchpin. a lot of folks across the country got their invoice -- their premiums from the affordable healthcare act a week before the election. the vast majority of the premiums did go up. again, i think a lot of people out there are saying, wait a minute. i'm not sure i'm for donald trump. i'm not sure i'm for hillary clinton. but the democrats are telling me over and over and over again that the economy is doing well. here i am living from paycheck to paycheck and a get a premium almost twice it was before. perhaps maybe that has something to do with it. >> peter, i'm going to give you the last word. this election was a huge blow for democrats. they lost not only the white house but also both chambers of congress. what's next in your opinion for the party? is it time to regroup? >> might i add the majority of state houses are in republican control as well, which is very, very important. it's not a time to regroup. it's a time to actually wake up to the fact that this election

like all elections is about emotions. that's period. all the other peripheral issues add into the mix. but it's about emotions. for too long, democrats have not been listening to the vast majority of people or millions of people around the country. donald trump stepped in and he listened. >> seems to be the theme that a lot of people are saying. as always, thank you for talking with me today. still ahead -- >> now it's time to bring the country together. >> amen to that. inside the mind of donald trump. in a moment the author of a book on trump explains why he thought the billionaire was finished in august. how did trump shock the world? that's next. day to get out and shop small. a day to support our community and show some love for the people we love. and the places we love. the stuff we can't get anywhere else and food that tastes like home. because the money we spend here can help keep our town growing. on small business saturday, let's shop small

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now, new insight into donald trump and the man and what kind of president he will be for someone who has spent time with him. mark singer wrote the book "trump and me" published this summer and he is a writer for the new yorker and he joins me

with more, and thank you for coming in this afternoon. you wrote in a august that you thought that trump was finish and how did he pull this off? >> well, i, i was not alone in being wrong, and every journalist in america save a couple and i can't think oany names offhand was mistaken. i don't remember now frankly the accumulation of outray jous things that he said and what might have been the tipping point, a although, so i can't recall when the attack on kaiser khan for example. >> and this is what i was curious the talk to you today, because you interviewed him for a piece of the new yorker and i am curious what he is like then and compared to the man who just got elected? >> well, temperament ally, he is same person and the stakes were lower and the buffoonery was not a problem. he does lie reflex zifly and a th -- reflex zifly and this is a person who does not premeditated

the lying, but it comes out. when you are president, and -- >> well, now. in your opinion, what made donald trump run for the presidency or what do you think that motivated him? >> well sh, i don't believe thae intended to win. >> and everybody says that, but he seems like the guy that does not want to lose. >> well, i nknow that he did no want the lose, but there is a difference of not wanting to lose and wanting to be the president. i will say that he wanted to win, but i don't believe that he really wanted to be the president. there is a woman named stephanie sedyelsky who wrote a publication on "jane" in march this year or sometime earlier in the year in which she pointed out in march of 2015 she went to the interview for a position with a make america great super pac, and was told in that interview that she was to be, and a republican for communications director of that organization, and he wants to run, and this is three months before he enters the race, and he is going to run, and this is a protest candidacy and he wants to get between 10 and 15% of the

vote and finish second. this is brand building, i believe. his previous, you know portends to run in previous elections was branding. >> and a lot of people thought that that in the beginning, and i don't know when it changed but a lot of people started to see a different candidate where he was really all in and started to talk to people on the road and he thought, you know what, i could win this thing. >> and even, and i have underestimated him in certainly and other people have, but what i don't u underestimate is his abilities as a salesman and i hate to use the word jeangeniust brilliant is what he is. and talking to people or listen org having a gift to pick up something of a crowd, and pick something out of the people that he was talking to that frankly the democratic politicians were missing out on. >> and struck a chord. you were quoted in august after the release of the book, that the trump candidacy is the most cynical and sad thing that has ever happened in my life in this

country and i have lived through assassinations and terrible wars, but it is leading to this, every awful emotion. and what made you say that? >> the reality of donald trump, and what he was saying on the campaign trail, and the people that he was beating up. >> well, what about all of the people, and frankly, there are people watching who voted for him and say, well, he can get it done. >> well, the previous guest discussed this mr. traynham brought it up, what is the red are line, and that is what i was responding to that he did not believe that he had any respect for many americans and that is an issue. >> among the trump proposals, you have imposed term limits on the congress and what else did i write, negotiate nafta and cancel president obama's executive a actions and knowing what you nknow about trump, wil he accomplish the goals? >> no, not necessarily, and i

don't know what the resolve is around him, but the people around him is great. there is a distinction between trump and the people around him, and i expect more of a figurehead presidency than ever before. and coming up next, chuck todd is going to speak to the trump campaign manager of kelley ann with the transition.

this sunday, splitcreen america. a divided nation reacts with joy to the election of donald trump and with anger with anti-trump protesters demonstrating across the country as mr. trump goes to washington. >> mr. president, it was a great honor being with you, and i look forward to being with you many, many more times in the future. >> thank you. >> will trump be able to heal the widening divisions in this country? i will talk to his campaign ma