>> the documentary is called "rikers." that's "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. happy monday. all right. here's how it starts. it starts with a mad scientist. a mad scientist who looks just like val kilmer because, you know what, its value kilmer. he's a mad scientist. also, there are a bunch of people in a steam room. now, handily, for the purposes of this movie, there are all handsome people in the steam room and they are very sweaty and wearing almost nothing and lit in an attractive, summery way and smoulder at each other when they need to. the mad scientist turns up. he has taken those six people in the steam room and he is holding

them hostage in the steam room. he's making the steam room hotter and hotter and hotter and he says he's going to keep making it hotter and hotter and hotter unless -- unless the newspaper publishes his crazed, deranged, mad scientist, insane theory. >> why are you here? >> that's a fact. >> hundreds of millions of people will die. >> how? >> global warming. >> that's his insane theory. global warming. see, he's insane. he's going to kill those very attractive sweaty people in the steam room in order to get his deranged way of publicizing his crazy theory but not before somebody has to rip off their bikini top. the executive producer of that spectacular achievement in bathing suited american cinema has now just learned that he just got a very, very fancy new

job. i should also mention the executive producer of the steam room thing is also the producer of a new film that came out this year whistle greats the oldest guy from the duck dynasty tv show, it celebrates him as literally, i kid you not, a living prophet here on earth. it's called "the torchbearer" and the guy with the beard is the torchbearer. he may look like he has duck calls but this documentary proves that god has sent him here to show us on earth the light and the truth and the way he speaks for jesus. i highly recommend that you watch the video trailer for the val kilmer, i highly recommend that you watch that trailer. at the same time, i highly recommend that you do not watch the trailer for the phil robertson is a living prophet thing because -- if you're tempted to look it up, i'm not going to stop you.

but in the two-minute trailer for the duck dynasty guy, there is a killing and people are being shown beheaded and there's a ton of nazi footage, multiple real executions shown in the trailer, including somebody being run over and crushed to death by a tank. so unless that's your sort of thing, you probably don't want to go there with the duck dynasty as a living religious prophet documentary. but if you are looking for an emotional punch to get your message through, shocking people by showing them actual murders, that's one way to achieve it and that's what the filmmaker has chosen to do in the one about the duck dynasty guy. the same movie producer also created a film called the undefeated and that's an unlikely title for a movie about alaska governor sarah palin. she was defeated to become vice president of the united states

after quitting her day job of the not quite one term governor of alaska. but the same guy who produced it filmed phil robertson is a prophet and the val kilmer global warming movie with all of the people in the steam room. and that guy really did just get a gigantic promotion. interesting, interesting career. before his hollywood days, he had his own minor mad scientist moment when for a time he took over the management of something called biosphere 2, which you may remember from the '90s set up in the desert in arizona where people pretended for months on end that they were on mars. during his time running that operation when it was reportedly losing a million dollars,

admitted in a lawsuit filed against him at the time that indeed he had called one of the biosphere residents a bimbo and told her he would, quote, ram them down your f'ing throat. although he didn't say f'ing. it sounds like that was a nice work environment he created when he was running the biosphere 2 project. what he admitted to saying to the person working for him in that lawsuit, that took on a darker tone a couple years later in 1996 when someone called police on new year's day in los angeles and claimed that he had attacked her. his wife told the responding officers that he grabbed her both by the wrists and by the neck, according to the police report she said she ran away from him and into their home to try to call police and told the officers he chased her into the house after he had grabbed -- dialed 911, he grabbed the phone out of her hand and threw it

across the room and shattered it. the department only responded to that call as a silent 911 call. when the police turned up, the phone was shattered. and in pieces. the police report says the officers did observe red marks around the woman's neck. and red marks on her wrists and prosecutors did file domestic violence and battery charges against him. they also charged him with seeking to prevent a crime victim or witness from reporting that crime to authorities. that ends up being a really key part of this because there was an arraignment. the man was brought up on these charges in march 1996. he pled not guilty to all of these charges but his wife claimed in court documents that her husband had threatened her specifically. and threatened repercussions against their kids. if she showed up in court to testify -- excuse me. to testify against him on those charges, so the police -- she

called 911. the police showed up. the police documented what they documented about those charges. prosecutors chose to bring charges against him, including him trying to intimidate his wife, a witness, into not being able to pursue those charges. and his wife says, after the charges were filed, in fact he threatened her and their kids if she showed up in court for when he was going to face trial and in fact when his court date came up for him to face trial, his wife mysteriously could not be located. she did not aid peer at the trial. and so without the witness there, without her able to testify as a witness, prosecutors had no choice but to drop those charges and that's how that case went away. over the following decade, he and his wife continued to tangle over money and child custody and ultimately divorce. on court filings related to the divorce in 2007, his wife said one of the reasons they had a hard time deciding where their child should go to school, he

felt like too many private schools had too many jews in them. she described him asking the director of one los angeles prep school, quote, why there were so many hanukkah books in the library and the biggest problem he had with another school was the number of jews that attends, he doesn't like jews and doesn't like the way he raises their kids to be whiny brats and that's the man that donald trump has named to be his chief strategist and senior counselor in the white house. his name is steve bannon. we have reported on him extensively on this show ever since donald trump named him to be campaign ceo earlier this year. part of the reason we have focused on him is because trump hiring somebody like that for any job on the campaign, let alone the top one, sort of begged the question as to

whether or not the trump campaign was running background checks on the people they were hiring. now that he's not just working on the campaign now, he's going to be in the oval office, serving the position that the trump folks are describing as equal to the white house chief of staff. now i really want to know if they are doing background checks. this summer at the republican national convention, steve bannon told reporters sarah posner at "mother jones," that at his old job he created, quote, the platform for the alt-right. alt-right is, of course, a term that has not been around very long. breitbart.com interestingly, under steve bannon, ran a long, sympathetic profiler, self-explainer where they described the constituent parts of the alt-right movement and describes his own website, describes breitbart.com as the platform for the alt-right. in their explainer about what

the alt-right is, the breitbart website describes this guy with the trendy haircut as the, quote, center of alt-right thought. this is a man named richard spencer who we've also covered a number of times on this show. richard spencer and other leading alt-right movement held their own press conference in washington, d.c., to clarify for everybody what the alt-right is and what they stand for. steve bannon at breitbart.com had given the alt-right all of this new pub list slicity, all attention that comes with having somebody who represents you who says they run the platform for the al-right, having them writing at a high-level of national politics. steve bannon, new senior counsel to the president elect, describes himself as having ppsz created the online platform for the alt-right. so that platform, his publication describes, richard spencer is at the center of alt-right thought. richard spencer freely admits

that his goal as the center of the alt-right thought, his goal is to create a whites-only homeland in the united states. >> probably the most radical of any of the three of us here. he wants a white homeland, a white identity. >> a lot of mainstream publications today are having a hard time coming up with the right way to describe who is going to be this karl rove figure in the trump white house. the senior counselor who president-elect has named to be his top adviser and, again, they are being explicit, equal in status with the white house chief of staff. you can feel the discomfort in the beltway media referring to him as a white nationalist, someone who comes from the white nationalist corner of conservative media and conservative propaganda. but that really is true. that is documented. that is in his own terms the way he has characterized his own

work or did he leave that work to go run the trump campaign? we don't actually know that. steve bannon has disclosed none of his financial information either, much like president-elect trump himself. we don't know if he still has ties to the white nationalist alt-right platform that he created at breitbart.com. will he keep running that media outlet or will he keep a financial interest in that media outlet while also running the oval office? can you do that? and while we're on that subject, a further update and almost unbelievable update to a sort of surprising development we started covering at the end of last week, which is the certainly unprecedented, definitely astonishing dual role that donald trump has appeared to have assigned to three of his children, simultaneously on friday, the trump folks announced that mr. trump's eldest three children would be taking over his share of the family business, which means

they will continue to run the family business while mr. trump is president-elect. all other presidents in the modern era have put their assets in a blind trust. trump is not planning on doing that. he's keeping his family business his family business and his kids are going to keep operating it bhil he is president. we learned that simultaneously on friday along with the news that those same trump kids will also be brought on board in a formal role setting up the trump administration as part of the transition effort. so they are going to be running the trump family business and they are helping set up the trump administration with formal roles on the transition team. nbc news has confirmed as well tonight that in addition to all of that, in addition to them running the business and helping set up the administration on the transition team, donald trump has already requested top secret security clearances for all of

his children. did i mention that they are still running the trump family business? nbc news now reports that mr. trump has requested top secret security clearances for his three eldest children. if the obama administration and the intelligence community decides to grant those clearances, that would allow them access to top secret national security information between now and the inauguration. the trump campaign says that ivanka, don jr. and eric will be unpaid national security advisers to their father and that's why they need security clearances now during the transition. if that doesn't pass muster with the obama administration and the intelligence community right now, however, don't worry. once donald trump is sworn in as president in january, he won't have to ask anybody for the permission to do that. he can just make that decision himself unilaterally, he could clear them all the way up to presidential level information if he wants to. while they are running his

business. today, cbs reported that not only former president george w. bush and former president george h.w. bush placed congratulatory phone calls to president-elect trump. they also reported today that trump also received a congratulatory phone call from jeb bush and he apparently received a congratulatory phone call from mitt romney as well. everybody's wishing him all the best. even the people who were so opposed to him. everybody's wishing him all the best, as if this is a northerly mall time, as if thpz this is the normal start to a presidency, as if this is not already what he is doing with the tiny little taste of power that he has gotten so far. and for the last few days, a lot of people, i think for good reasons, right, for civic-minded reasons, for big-hearted reasons, optimistic reasons, a lot of smart people have been saying, give him the benefit of the doubt. let's see what he does. we are now seeing what he's

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no. did you ever see that tv show, the west wing, it sort of -- none of them stay. the west wing -- when the president leaves, all of the president's staff, whoop, out the door. you're supposed to bring in all new people. the west wing staff will all leave when president obama leaves and the trump transition team apparently doesn't know that. woo-hoo. "the l.a. times" reports that there was supposed to be a follow-up meeting after the initial meeting on thursday, a substantive meeting between the white house transition staff and the trump transition staff but the trump folks canceled it. they didn't feel like doing it. something does appear to be going wrong here with some of the basic parts of the transition period, which, again, is not that long of period. it's a steep learning curve. you have to do a lot. all of the presidential staff does leave. you have to hire 4,000 people. that's not even talking about

your cabinet, right? and something does appear to be going wrong with this. nbc's andrea mitchell reported that as of today the trump transition team had made no contact with the state department or the cia or the department of homeland security or the pentagon. all of those departments, they've all got there's transition folks ready to go, ready to start handing stuff off, they have reached out to the trump campaign but no interest so far from the trump folks, no comment. the pentagon, the defense department isn't getting their calls returned. the cia isn't getting their calls returned. they are ready and willing to go. they've reached out. nothing. as for mr. trump himself, "the wall street journal" reports on something that i don't quite know what to do with. i'll read to you how they reported it. "during their private white house meeting on thursday, mr. obama walked his successor

through the duties of running the country and mr. trump seemed surprise by the scope. president obama realized the republican needs more guidance. he plans to spend more final with his successor than presidents typically do." and if that's true, that is a nice thing for president obama to be doing. it also puts a whole different cast not just on what president obama wants to do in the next 66 days to cement his legacy, it puts a cast on how much help, what kind of training wheels he may need to provide for those feex folks coming in next who don't think it's important to return a call from the pentagon who apparently as late as last week didn't have an idea that they were responsible for staffing the white house. i don't know what president obama is going to do with his lame duck period. i'm quite sure he didn't plan on it having to be this. more on that straight ahead. stay with us.

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he is coming to this office with fewer set hard and fast policy prescriptions than a lot of other presidents might be arriving with. i don't think he is ideological. i think ultimately, he's pragmatic in that way and that can serve him well as long as he's got good people around him and he has a clear sense of direction. do i have concerns? absolutely. of course i've got concerns. >> joining us now is the host of "all in" here on msnbc, the good and great chris hayes. thanks for being here.

>> it's my pleasure. >> i'm enjoying talking to you about these things. i feel -- a, i trust your judgment and, b, i feel like having an ongoing dialogue. >> it feels like you're checking in with someone. >> yes. exactly. >> because there was something written about -- she was writing about russia and putin and the way your radar screen gets scrambled. >> uh-huh. >> like bats, they echo locate and they send out these beams, there's a wall there and all of a sudden, because of the side you're in and the way that the leader of the country is using the media, you can start to lose your bearings. there's a real thing it happens. it happens in turkey and it's important to be constantly checking in. >> yeah. >> where are we now? where are we on day six? >> it seems to me where we are this day, there's a million things that this can go but he's promising to deport 2 to 3

million people as of day one. he's got the most hard-lined anti-immigrant people on board for his transition team. that seems for real. he's also done this remarkable thing with his kids. >> you know, when you go back and you look at the coverage up to the election, it was underappreciated the unique challenge that would be posed by the fact that here's a person that runs a business empire behind the cloak of a private corporation and is going to be president of the united states with very little statutory restrictions on what he could do. >> uh-huh. >> all of those are essentially norms. you put in a blind trust. he's violating that. >> the norm is you release your tax returns. >> the potential for corruption and conflict of interest is unlike anything we have ever seen. that's not a hyperbolic statement. maybe they will be absolute boy scouts about it. but anyone who wants to curry the favor of the united states

can use the vehicle of the trump organization to do so and we'll have very little insight into what that corporation is doing. vice versa, he can use the organization to pay off favors for political favors that he needs. so the idea that these folks are going to be brought in, the kids, and play this kind of dual role, advising day in the morning about matters of state and judgment. >> national security. >> and getting in the car to the trump offices down at the trump hotel around the block to talk about what the trump board is doing. there has never been anything remotely like this. >> how does the security clearances development play into that for you? >> so that to me is -- here's what i think has been clear all along. he doesn't have close trust advisers other than his family, the people that run the company. he's now got a new job. it's a hard job.

you rely on the people that you trust before you got the job after you got the job to rely on them and do the job, they would have to have security clearances because if he's having a decision that he needs to make, matters of national security, he's going to want to go to the people who he has trusted all along for his own kin who are the folks that he's most comfortable with. >> uh-huh. >> so it makes perfect sense -- >> from his point of view. >> -- that these people are going to be running a private business, a business entity with the name of the president of the united states with business dealings around the world in hot spots that could be in conflict with american foreign policy, in conflict with american military policy and strategy. i mean, just the sheer scope of it has never been -- we have not comprehended it yet. it's never happened and no one has gotten their head around it yet but just this little bit of news, oh, i've got security clearance. i guess that makes sense. just shows like what -- what has been opened up here. >> and president obama and the

intelligence community now under president obama have to decide whether or not they are going to say yes to that. i have to say i feel a little different than i usually do about president obama leaving on this overseas trip to go to germany and greece and peru now that it's been reported that he's going to spend more time with the president-elect, he's concerned about his ability apparently to handle the transition and doesn't he need you more than we do right now? >> this is something that i learned in the years that i reported on the white house in washington, d.c., and my wife worked in the administration in the first day of the obama administration and folks that i know have worked in various administrations, republican and democrat, the learning curve is steep. no one's prepared for it. even just getting your head around the nfc process, like the nec process -- >> national security council? >> yes. that itself is a whole rubic's

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think that president-elect mike pence would be clearing his card, focusing on his new role as chairman of the transition effort. you might think that. you'd be wrong. as i just talked about with my friend chris hayes, vice president-elect mike pence is planning on staying on as governor of indiana until his term formally ends on january 9th. he's staying on as the full-time governor of indiana until just 11 days before the trump administration takes office while he is simultaneously supposed to be running the whole trump transition effort. why is mike pence doing that? i don't know. but it appears that governor pence does have some loose ends that he's maybe trying to tie up before he heads to washington. the indianapolis star is now reporting that governor pence has decided to wage a court battle back home with everything else he's dealing with, decided to wage a court battle back home to try to keep some of his e-mails secret. this comes out of a lawsuit that indiana filed against the obama

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with no public access until december 2022 or until he dies, which ever comes later. and honestly, the weirdest part about all of that, mike pence didn't have a consequential time in congress. he wasn't involved in super high-level decisions. he was in congress for 12 years but literally never had a bill become law. he scrapped limits on an individual's aggregate campaign limits but that one just died. what could possibly be in those documents that they have to be held under seal until you're dead? as the plan stands now, we might not know until he dies or he could decide now to open them to the public. people maintain in those archives that that's all it would take. they would happily renegotiate

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by shelling out 4,000 folks for a rally in the very red state of louisiana. >> people told me that louisiana was a conservative state. guess not. >> i think my colleagues in the democratic party have made a very, very serious mistake. and that is, they have kind of written off half of america including louisiana. >> that was bernie sanders early on in the democratic primary. that was july 2015. the following spring, spring 2016, after hillary clinton had beaten senator sanders not just in louisiana but across the south, senator sanders defense of senators in the south started to wane a little bit. >> we started off this campaign having to run in the deep south.

>> trust me, i know about running in the deep south. [ laughter ] >> that ain't the thing to do. you don't -- >> it's a pretty -- yeah, it's a conservative part of our country people say why does iowa go first, new hampshire go first. >> yeah. >> i think that having so many southern states go first distorts reality as well. >> let me acknowledge what is absolutely truth. secretary clinton cleaned our clock in the deep south. no question about it. we got murdered there. that is the most conservative part of this great country. that's a fact. >> we got murdered in the southern democratic primaries because it's the most conservative part of this country. democratic votes in southern states distort reality. when bernie sanders started making those arguments about the democratic primary, it caused some leaders in the south to

say, hold on, don't blame us essentially. a number of democratic party chairs from southern states wrote a fairly scathing letter which criticized anybody who wouldn't take democratic votes in the south. "you argue that the south is the most conservative part of america implying states not worth contesting in a democratic primary" in this year's primaries in the southern states, african-americans represented between 31 and 71% of the democratic electorate. this is minimizing the important voices of a core party and we can't write off states like tennessee and georgia, even texas could turn blue in less than a generation and beyond the presidential race there are important statewide and other federal races happening every cycle, boosting democrats' chances in those seats and this

can only happen if we show up, speak to the region's needs and compete for every vote. ." to be clear, this was written in support of hillary clinton in the primary but the closing line appears applicable today. "to be the leader of the party, you have to be with democrats in all states as well. that includes the ones you won and, yes, even the ones you lose." democratic parties in dire straits right now, whatever plan the party had before, it did not work for holding the white house, for gaining the senate let alone for making any considerable progress in the house. democrats are in bad shape after this election. that's even more true down-ballot in the states. but is this kind of thinking put forward in april, folks sitting on the grassroots, progressive work to build up the democratic base from the ground up, even traditionally in republican regions, does that make the sense for the party moving

forward as a whole? one of the state party leaders who signed that letter back in april, that landmark letter, is named jamie harrison, a bit of an outsider in some ways. by no means a nationally known figure at this point. he's not an elected official and doesn't represent a traditionally democratic state in this country. but his name is now one of the names being discussed as a possible next chair of the national democratic party. the south carolina democratic party chairman, is he the kind of unifying figure that party needs right now? does he have the stomach? does he have the wherewithal to take on this hugely important role at this very difficult time? let's ask him. joining us now, chairman harrison, thank you for being here. nice to see you. >> yeah. this is great. >> are the rumors tree? do you want to be considered as democratic chairman? >> count me in. i'm throwing my hat in, rachel. >> why? >> listen, i love this party. everything i am is because of this party.

i grew up in rural south carolina, a teen mom had to stop school to have me and went back to school. >> your mom was 15? >> yeah, she was 15 years old. and so we've been fighting for everything we have and i've been fighting for a long time and the one thing that i see that we have to fight for was this democratic party. my grandparents who really were instrumental in helping raise me, my grandfather had a fourth grade education, my grandma had an eighth grade graduation. i was the first in my family to go to college, went to yale, georgetown, talk on capitol hill, i taught high school, helped low-income kids get into high school. every step of the way i had people telling me, you can't do this. you can't do this. and even lately in terms of the discussion of whether or not i run for chair, people have said, you can't do this. some people have told me, you have to stand down. and people don't understand,

when you start from nothing and you work and you pour yourself into building yourself up to be successful, to live the american dream, you're not going to have anybody going to have anybody stand in your way and say that you can't do it. >> you mentioned your grandparents, a fourth grade ed characteristic an eighth grade education, they had an instrumental role in raising you because of this upbringing that you who. if you want to be the national democratic chairman, talk to your grandparents about what the democratic party can offer in south carolina. there's one member, jim clyburn who you worked for as a staffer. in red states in this country, what does the democratic party have to offer other than some distant hope that maybe it won't be a red state again in the future, what can you say to them to? >> one of the things we've been trying to do in south carolina, we started the south carolina democrats care. just as you said, we only have one member of congress. we don't control the

governorship, we don't have any control of the legislative bodies. and so our idea is to go back into those communities, seeing what the needs are, listening to the people, letting them know that they matter and they're important, and we go into those communities to address some of their needs. so some of my county parties, sumpter county is one of them. they put on a school supplies drive, and they go every august to make sure that poor families who can't afford the clothes or the school supplies for their kids, that those things are provided. and they also work with the teachers who need reams of paper all throughout the year who have to pay for it out of their own pockets. when we do that, when we're able to do those type of things, put on housing workshops or helping people write their resumes, that's when people say oh, my god, the democratic party has helped me do a, b, and c. we spend millions and millions of dollars on tv, but those are the things that we can do for free, and it has so much more impact on the lives of people. we have to start listening to

people again, technicalparticul rural communities. everything in the last two years, people not feeling like they matter. and that's why you had black lives matter. young people feel like their lives don't matter. even the bernie supporters felt like their voices did not matter to the democratic party. so what we have to do now is figure out how do we start listening to people again, and how we move from a political organization to a community organization. >> south carolina democratic party chairman, jamie harrison, will you stay with me? i have one other thing i want to ask you about after the break. jamie harrison is making the announcement that he'll run for clai chair of the national democratic party. stay with us.

we're back with jamie harrison who's the chairman of the south carolina democratic party. he's throwing his hat in the ring in the contest to be chair of the democratic party. i have to ask you. you volunteer as chair of the south carolina party. you work as lobbyist with the podesta group. would you be willing to give up that role? >> i am taking a leave. my wife is not happy about that, but unpaid leave. people criticize lobbyists all the time. what i tell people is that is how i take care of my family. i pay my grandmother's mortgage, i have $160,000 of student loan debt. and when you're a poor kid who

grows up, and you're able to be successful to do this you have to take care of -- >> what about the worry that special interests. >> the people i care about are people like my grandmother, my grandfather. i lived in washington, d.c. for a long time, for 12 years working on the hill and doing work with the podesta group, but i went back to south carolina to volunteer, because i needed to improve the place that is home for me. and that's what i want to do for this country. i have a 2-year-old at home. and i work with nikki haley and matt moore and a whole lot of other people to take doubt confederate flag. those are the type of people i'm passionate about. and that's why i'm throwing my hat in the ring. >> there's a lot of debate as to where the democratic party should spend resources. you talked to me about the need for democrats to focus on

turning red states purple and red states blue, places like south carolina. you said they're closer than you think. >> that's right. >> after losing wisconsin and pennsylvania in a presidential race, can the democratic party afford that? >> we have to. we have to go into a 50-state strategy plus. adding on, howard dean was so great in that, maynard jackson thought about it even before howard dean, and it was so important to do that. but we have to ramp that up and make sure we're investing in all our state parties and we're building the next bench of democratic talent. >> jamie harrison, chairman of the south carolina democratic party. i told you somebody new was getting in. stay with us.

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