a good saturday afternoon to you, i'm richard lui right here in new york city at msnbc headquarters. we're watching mitt romney speaking to reporters just moments ago after meeting with donald trump just moments ago at trump's home in new jersey. the past republican nominee for president is in the running for trump's secretary of state. >> i look forward to the coming administration. >> romney is just one of several individuals meeting with trump today about potential cabinet positions. let's get straight to nbc's kelly o'donnell, live in bedminster, new jersey, where these meetings are taking place. we just saw a little bit of what was said there, kelly. we know the two met for about 90 minutes. what else do you know? >> reporter: well, we don't know the time. we know 90 minutes was the approximate time of when governor romney arrived and when he departed. we're going to presume it was a bulk of that time. we don't have the specifics on

that yet. but he was greeted here and they had that meeting and we were not certain if he would come out and talk to us or not or if the president-elect would say anything. we were given a heads up to expect it. they came out, it was both president-elect and mitt romney but also vice president-elect mike pence briefly. there was a handshake moment. we shouted to the president-elect, how did it go, and he said it went great. few words but it descriptive. and as we asked governor romney a few questions, he didn't really respond to the questions. he had a planned comment in mind. and i think it's really important to look at what he said as a clue to perhaps the subarea they were most focused on. and it certainly relates to the portfolio of what a secretary of state would be responsible for or interested in. here is a sense of what governor romney said their conversation was about. >> we had a far-reaching

conversation with regards to the theaters in the world that are of interest to the united states of real significance. we discussed those areas and exchanged our views on those topics, very thorough and in-depth discussion in the time we had. >> reporter: so it could have been a conversation about domestic policy or the jobs picture or taxation. it could have been any of those things. but what governor romney chose to say when he came out is to talk about theaters around the world where the u.s. has interests. that can be coupled with advance indications we had from people associated with the president-elect and the transition that a possible post for mitt romney could be secretary of state. so not getting out ahead of it too far, but those -- the hint and the content of what he said certainly emphasizes that rather than points us in another direction. as you heard him say, he looks forward to the new administration. that means they have come a long way from the rancor and the name

calling that we saw during the campaign from both sides, really, richard. >> you really hit it on the head there, the words that he used in the context of him meeting with donald trump and then leaving perhaps a hat tip to what might be happening. what else are you watching when it comes to the romney meeting right now, kelly, where is romney going next, any idea what next steps are being discussed and how they may or may not have been able to get past that rancor that you were alluding to during the election where mitt romney was not a fan of donald trump? >> reporter: he said some very strong things during the election in a most public way, where he devoted the bulk of his speech to trying to effectively take out donald trump during the primary phase. that seems like a long time ago now. and of course we heard donald trump who derided mitt romney for his performance in 2012 again and again in very personal terms. that's where they had left it.

and then after the election, it was mitt romney who wished the new president well and saying he was duly elected and deserved the country's encouragement. we don't know where governor romney is going next. it was notable, he wasn't surrounded by staff. there was one person driving the vehicle he was in. he had no entourage. so i've reached out to people in his orbit and we have not been given any update as to what comes next for him. and we do expect to hear from some of the aides to president-elect trump later today when the whole slate of meetings is completed to get additional readout, is the term we use, where they give us insight about what happened during the day. there are other meetings happening today, two we think relate to the department of education. we just got a heads up on something there. could somebody tell me what that was? heads up on -- okay. roll with me here, richard, let's see what's going to happen here. >> sure. >> reporter: i'm not step down so i'm not in everyone else's

shot. this may be the president-elect coming out with one of his guests. that is michelle rhee, her husband kevin johnson, the vice president-elect. can you tell us how the meeting went, mr. president-elect? >> great. really great. >> reporter: will she be in your cabinet? >> thank you very much. we'll see. >> reporter: michelle, can you talk to us please? >> reporter: he lets the door close there. that's the nature of it, they're providing us the photo op moment, good for the president-elect to show he's meeting with a range of people, good for the person who came, again, michelle rhee, an education expert, formerly the head of the dc schools. it gives us a chance to get a sense of what's happening to form out this cabinet or at

least the sphere of advisers that donald trump is consulting. the question you may not have been able to hear off camera is one we've been asking again and again, will there be any announcements today. and keeping us hanging, we got a "we'll see." i have a feeling we might be hanging out here a while longer. >> nobody better to do that than kelly o'donnell. michelle rhee, any talk about what that consideration may be, department of education potentially? >> reporter: that what we think it is, because that's where her expertise lies. she has a national reputation when it comes to education and reform. and so that is our expectation, that he's either getting ideas from her about how he should build out the department of education or perhaps it really is a job interview. we want to be careful to not overestimate what it might be. and then this is betsy devos who is the head of the republican party in michigan. she's also a philanthropist and

is someone who is also an expert in the area of education. this is the photo op moment that they did not have earlier. >> i cannot madge heimagine her, the number of cars that have lined up in the last five minutes, as you've been reporting, a lot happening there in bedminster, new jersey. >> reporter: there's a bit of vehicle choreography going on here as they're getting a chance to have this photo open. ms. devos came in earlier. we believe her meeting may have already taken place. but she arrived, as did michelle rhee, when we believe governor romney was already meeting with the president-elect and vice president-elect. in order to afford them to have the opportunity to have the picture, for us to have the picture, there was a little bit of choreography there. that's the to be expected and frankly it's appreciated that we get a chance to see that moment of greeting or a couple of words exchanged, richard.

>> thank you for you and your team for telling the trump camp when to start those vehicles moving, it worked out just perfectly. >> reporter: occasional we get lucky. >> there you go, exactly. kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. of course we'll be stopping by with you later as things continue to happen. we could get an answer, we may not, we'll see what happens. "washington post" reporter janice johnson, and strategist hogan gibley. we can talk about mitt romney, michelle rhee, two individuals that have evidently met with donald trump for a portion of time. what would mitt romney mean for a trump administration if he is being considered for potential secretary of state? >> it would be a complete turn around for where mitt romney was. you remember the famous press conference where he came out and said nasty things with donald trump, where he pointed out that donald trump actually had more votes than mitt romney did.

you saw the actual final general election when donald trump outperformed mitt romney in almost every segment of the position. it's clear that donald trump is trying to mend some fences. when he received the nomination, you remember people like paul ryan wouldn't even come on board, he actually had to go, donald trump had to go meet with paul ryan and ask for his support. now you're seeing people come through the golf course, the country club, and talk to donald trump personally to try to figure out what they can do, how best they can help. mitt romney does want to help this country. if he can offer some assistance to donald trump, whether it be policy or a cabinet post, it looks like mitt romney is on board to do just that. >> jenna, would this mitt romney of 2016 be able to work with this donald trump, president-elect, of 2016 here? they seem to be fairly embracive in the videos we've been watching. then there's the words in addition to that that kelly o'donnell was really picking out

for us, that mitt romney said "theaters of the world" in terms of what they talked about. what are you seeing in those leaves there? >> wre going thave to wait in see. donald trump can be a difficult person to work with. he is the boss. he is the desired. and he values loyalty above all else. but when the two of them came out that door and stood together, it was really a sign of donald trump being willing to have meetings like this, to forget the past and to try to reach out to members of his own party and maybe include them in his own administration. let's remember with mitt romney, he not only went after donald trump in all the ways that other republicans have, saying that him as president could lead to trickle down racism, trickle down bigotry. he also went after donald trump the businessman, saying that a lot of his businesses were failures. that is one of donald trump's

very sensitive areas. >> they're very similar because of both being very wealthy in the theater of business, if you will, both understanding that sometimes you treat issues as little businesses, potentially. i don't know if that's how they're viewing topics but that's certainly one idea. quickly, on michelle rhee, a democrat, a specialist in education, but maybe one of the few if not only pictures at least up to today of women that have been, you know, in this conversation. >> yeah, i've spent a lot of time in trump tower where a lot of these meetings have been happening the rest of the week. and it's been a parade of men in suits. michelle rhee was in dc while i was reporting on education. she's known as a reformer. she's known as someone who is not afraid to take on the teachers' union. she upset a lot of people. but she also made a lot of substantial changes in the dc

public school system. and donald trump has talked about making a lot of changes himself, but hasn't had many specifics. i would be really interested to hear what sort of ideas she was pushing with him today. >> hogan, this idea we've been talking about since the election, this time of rivals idea, we were looking at michelle rhee, a democrat, then you also have his picks from friday which you're very whatever, retired general michael flynn for national security adviser, kansas congressman mike pompeo for cia director, alabama senator jeff sessions for attorney general, those suits that jenna was alluding to of late, do you see him bringing in a wider spectrum of america? >> i think so. that's kind of what donald trump is, that's who he is. you can take a look at his businesses. he has several women running major parts of his industry, which is unique. that's something, the first

republican ever to have a female communications -- excuse me, campaign manager in kellyanne conway. i don't think donald trump is going to be lacking in diversity by any stretch. not just diversity in race but diversity in thought. you just mentioned, michelle is a democrat. that's someone he may bring on board. you have someone like steve bannon, obviously, somebody like reince priebus on board, diametrically opposed, donald trump doesn't want yes men around, he wants differing opinions and he'll take the best one and move forward. i think we'll see that moving forward. i think he wants diversity. i think the country demands it and i think it needs diversity. donald trump is willing to do that. >> it's been said he likes to see folks argue in front of him so he can take the best idea. however there is this one idea of jeff sessions what has been controversial so far because of the idea of him being related to

several organizations that the southern poverty law center has called deeply racist, quote unquote. when we look at jeff sessions and his history around the issue of civil rights and the criticisms that have been made about him and his views on race, on religion, when we talk about the anti-muslim ban as well as anti-lgbt rights, what is it? hogan? >> look, i think senator sessions is a great pick. this is a guy who fought for and got desegregation in alabama. he's someone who fought for the death penalty for a kkk leader. once he got elected attorney general of alabama, he saw through that execution and mad sure it happened. i think the media tries to make this up, talk about things in jeff sessions' past. he has a clear record of fighting for the african-american in the state of alabama, not to mention the fact that led to a $7 million lawsuit against the kkk, which in essence broke the kkk's back in

alabama. it needed to be eradicated and jeff sessions was on the forefront of that. it's silly to talk about it. let's not forget, hillary clinton's self-processed mentor is robert byrd, a chief dragon of the kkk. it's not like the republicans are some racist group of folks. democrats aren't either. jeff sessions is a wonderful pick and all of this is just a bunch of nonsense. >> nonsense? >> nonsense. signatur >> the accusation has not been made about the entire party, merely about this one potential nominee. >> sure. but we're not having a conversation about the democrats that have said horrible things in the last few years. you guys are focusing on jeff. that makes sense because jeff sessions has been nominated for this post. but he has a record of crushing the back of the kkk. >> jenna?

>> this has been on ongoing issue for jeff sessions. a lot of his supporters have been listing all all of the other things he's done like hogan just did. it doesn't change the things that are in his past which have been problems for him for decades now and have been things that he has had to explain over and over again. and we're going to have to expect that this time around also. >> and reasons why he was not confirmed back in 1986, when he did have to face the senate. thank you both, great conversation. we're going to take a quick break. when you find something worth waiting for, we'll help you invest to protect it for the future. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase, so you can.

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requires a vow to protect the rights of all americans. other members of the president's cabinet can talk about changing the laws, but the attorney general enforces them. kristen clark, from the lawyers committee for civil rights for law, joins us. as we were discussing in the last block, the concerns about racism for jeff sessions has followed him for many decades. one of those examples, 1986, where he was not able to be confirmed. it's been widely reported that as a u.s. attorney he filed several cases to desegregate schools in alabama, prosecuted a prominent kkk member in that state. he sought the death penalty in the case for the individual that killed a black teenager. has jeff sessions, based on the data, has he been transformed, as his defenders are saying? this is the person in 1986, they're saying, is different

than he is today. >> if this nomination sticks, if indeed jeff sessions is the nominee put forward by mr. trump, i think there are going to be some very hard questions. i don't think that you can escape your past. as has been noted, the attorney general of the united states occupies the singularly most important law enforcement role in this nation. that person's job is to ensure equal justice under law for all. it's not a question about one's political views or one's partisan views. the question is, can mr. sessions bring an unbiased and neutral view of the law and carry out enforcement of the law to protect the rights of everyone. during his time as a prosecutor in alabama, he turned a blind eye to church arsons happening in his state. he was obsessed with vote fraud and used this as a tool to go after black civil rights

activists. there was the case of the marion three, mr. albert turner and his wife and other activists were targeted by mr. sessions and charged with vote fraud. those charges were dismissed. he pursued many such vote fraud cases against black voters, not against anyone else, during his time in that role. >> kristen, i want to get this other topic, though, because you've well-formed that answer to the question. and i want to build on what you're saying so far, because i want to get into these numbers from the southern poverty law center. they counted more than 700 cases of harassment or intimidation. the majority against immigrants, considering sessions as we talk about him here, and his hard line stance as you were alluding to on immigration, what do you think this means? do you see then immigration reform and laws related to immigration posing a potential

conflict of interest for him? and to the element about civil rights, could he potentially turn back some of the progress that has happened over the decades? >> the hard questions that must be answered. he's been a staunch opponent on immigration. he voted against the hate crimes bill. he voted against reauthorization of the violence against women act. he has turned a blind eye to church arsons. we can't remember that this nomination comes at a time when this no, ma'country is on fire. there have been hundreds of hate crimes that have gripped the nation over the past nine days. we need an attorney general that will do the work necessary to ensure that everyone enjoys equal rights under the law, that there is public safety for everyone. i'm deeply concerned about the statements that mr. sessions has made in the past that

demonstrate a very flippant attitude when it comes to race. he seemingly endorsed the kkk, and despite efforts to distance himself from some of those positions, they raise grave questions about his ability to neutrally enforce the law and enforce the law to ensure that ang everyone's rights are protected in our country. >> kristen clark, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you for having me. next, the democratic party in a bit of turmoil with control of neither the white house nor congress. the party now begins plotting a path forward. won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says, "you picked the wrong insurance plan." no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car plus depreciation. liberty mutual insurance.

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the longest serving democratic leaders among those trying to figure out where her party goes next. the answer could put her own role in jeopardy as they try and figure this out. a former communications director for incoming senate minority leader joins us. also with us, the campaigns editor for political pro. scott, let's ask that question, what does the democratic party need to rebuild first? your thought. >> yeah, you know, it's one of those side effects of losing an election, a lot of the candidates who could potentially help you rebuild also end up losing. particularly in missouri, the democratic senate candidate, jason kander, was viewed as a rising star but came up just short, there wasn't a lift from the top of the ticket. right now democrats are focusing on a few different things. we're seeing on the house level, they're trying to puzzle through just how badly the party did in white working class areas, in the great lakes states, ohio,

pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, and see how they can recover some of those voters and start to kind of build on that going forward. that was really part of the traditional base of the democratic party. union households and those sorts of voters. >> mike, build on that, and give me your aspirational headlines here. as a democrat, and you're looking at the mid-terms right now, both nationally and locally here, what does the headline look like to describe where the democratic party needs to be? >> i think what we actually saw happen was donald trump actually did a better job of articulating the democratic message than democrats did, which is why he was successful. the issues he talked about, whether it was infrastructure, whether it was jobs, whether it was income, those are traditionally working class democratic messages. i think the headline here is democrats will start articulating their own policy. they were right on the policy.

in chuck schumer you have no better messenger for a working class, middle class message. western new york, which is new york's rust belt, if you ask what chuck schumer stands for, it is the working class and the middle class. he and elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and others will articulate a clear message that is concise and links directly to their policy agenda. >> mike, stay on that for a second. pelosi. she faces a challenge for minority leader in the house. tim ryan of ohio could be that person. is pelosi that parallel to your old boss chuck schumer? >> to nancy pelosi, i think if you look back at her record, particularly in the first to years of her as speaker, she got a lot accomplished under the obama administration and dealt with a lot of obstructionist republicans on the other side. you're seeing in the house a debate emerging from a tim ryan, who has much more of a sophisticated middle class, working class message, and nancy

pelosi who has unfortunately been characterized as this out of touch left coast liberal. what's happening in the house is instructive on what democrats will have to do. our policy is right. we win on policy. trump won on our policies. we just have to articulate it. it's actually our idea. >> scott, talk about tim ryan and nancy pelosi and what that good paradigm would be for the democratic party to lead them through this next phase. >> sure. i think tim ryan's own district really speaks to what we're talking about here. this was very strong democratic territory where traditionally donald trump fought hillary clinton almost to a draw in mahoning county this year. he's arguing that the democrats need to focus more on that message of speaking to working people and really articulating the type of messages they feel like donald trump spoke to a little bit more in this election. i also think there's more to

this than just the house and the senate and what's going on in washington. i think the governor's race than are coming up in 2018 will be very, very important. there is a lot of open races, a lot of democratic primaries that will be playing out where the party is going to get to decide what it wants to look like and stand for. >> the next two years will be key, we'll know what the next wave is. that will solidify or be a counterwave to what we're seeing right now. always very informational, mike and scott, thank you. several major meetings today for president-elect trump in new jersey. plus more protests in manhattan in front of trump tower. we'll get the latest. plus barack obama's final foreign trip as president. we'll take you live to lima, peru, where the president is holding a town hall today. ♪

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watching the cameras, former massachusetts governor mitt romney wrapping up a meeting with president-elect donald trump at trump's golf bedminster, new jersey. romney believed to be in consideration for secretary of state. >> we had a far-reaching conversation with regards to the various theaters in the world where there are interests of the united states of real significance. we discussed those areas and chang exchanged our views on those topics, a very thorough and in-depth discussion in the time we had. i appreciate the chance to speak with the president-elect and look forward to the coming administration. >> so those words different than other word said before. there was bad blood, as you might remember, between trump and romney during the campaign. romney called trump a phony and a fraud, trump called romney a loser. trump earlier called on the cast of "hamilton" to apologize to

vice president-elect mike pence. why? pence was booed by some members of the audience as he arrived for a performance last night. later, as pence was leaving, a cast member asked him to stop and listen to a prepared statement. pence did stay and this is part of what he heard. >> we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our american values and to work on behalf of all of us. [ cheers and applause ] despite trump being in new jersey, protests continue today outside of trump tower in new york. these further complicating security concerns on a very busy fifth everyone. let's go to nbc's tammy leitner live outside trump tower. what's the latest today? >> reporter: hey, richard. about 200 protesters have marched up from queens. new york police are doing a pretty good job of keeping them in one area across the street from trump tower.

there are groups that are out here from all different boroughs, people from all different boroughs. i was speaking earlier with i think one of the youngest protesters out here. this is omar. hi, omar. can you tell me why you're out here today? >> yes, i'm here to protest donald trump, our president-elect. >> reporter: and why is that? >> because his ideas are fascist and unacceptable in our opinions. we're here to show that using our first amendment right of freedom of speech. >> reporter: omar, you're only 13 years old. do your friends your age, do you talk to them about this? >> i try to. most of them -- i go to a conservative school. most of them, i usually get backlash for it. so they don't act very friendly around me when it comes to the issue. i do try to talk to them as much as possible. >> reporter: there you go, you heard it, one young new yorker, 13-year-old omar who definitely has an opinion and is out here today to share that with people. >> all ages. nbc's tammy leitner, thank you,

tammy. donald trump's promises of ripping up trade deals could overshadow the discussion today as world leaders gather in peru for the annual asia-pacific summit. president obama is trying to reassure leaders of a smooth transition when trump suck sece him next year. nbc's ron allen is live from peru. ron, we're talking about this uncertainty that leaders are expressing individuals and analysts that you've spoken to as well. what was the president's message today to try to calm that question? >> reporter: his message was the same here as it was in greece and germany before. don't assume the worst, give the new president-elect some time, don't make immediate judgments about what he's going to do. the president taking a very philosophical view. he said in the past how history doesn't always move forward in a straight line, it zigs and zags. he was asked about the american election at a town hall he's

holding with a number of leaders here in peru. here is what he had to say about that. >> i think it will be important for everybody around the world to not make immediate judgments, but give this new president-elect a chance to put their team together to examine the issues, to determine what their policies will be, because, as i've always said, how you campaign isn't always the same as how you govern. >> reporter: and the big issue here of course is trade. the president is at the economic summit with a number of nations, a number of those tpp, trans-pacific partnership participants are here. it seems dead on arrival but the president thinks it may still

happen, that donald trump will realize this is working for american and its allies and won't oppose it. he noted that donald trump had said during the campaign that he raised a lot of questions about nato but now is saying that of course america will remain a part of nato, although he did raise the issue of our allies contributing their fair share of the cost. we're anticipating there may be a meeting on the sidelines of the summit between russian president vladimir putin and mr. obama. the two have a very difficult history to say the least. but issues like syria are expected to be discussed and of course the allegations of cyber hacking during the recent american election might come up as well. an informal meeting, we aren't sure it will happen, but we suspect it will. >> ron allen at the meeting of some 21 economies and their leaders in lima, peru. thanks so much, ron, we appreciate that report. coming up, growing questions

about possible conflicts of interest for president-elect trump and what will happen to the multibillion dollar trump brand. next, a landmark court case in britain. a 14-year-old girl who died of cancer wins the right to be could cryogenically frozen.

welcome back. a 14-year-old's dying wish in britain was to be frozen so she could, quote, get a chance to be cured and woken up even in hundreds of years' time. that quote part of a letter that the teen sent to a british judge. after consulting with her family, the judge agreed. the unnamed girl died last month, her body quickly rushed to the cryonics institute in detroit, frozen, placed in a super cooled container at a cost of $28,000. here with me is dr. john torres, an nbc medical contributor. dr. torres, how does this work, has technology moved far enough

for this? >> you're looking at science hope versus science reality. the hope is that years from now you can unfreeze, thaw out, they'll cure whatever is wrong with you and you carry on as if it were the next day. essentially when somebody dies, they try to keep the body alive as much as they can. they pump the blood through the body, inject you with blood to make sure it doesn't clot. they switch out the blood with a type of antifreeze for the body. they cool the body down, then ship her to detroit and put her in the cryogenic chamber, from there they freeze them. hopefully years from now they can unfreeze them and fix whatever is wrong. >> the institute she is at is citing other examples of insects, other human tissues and embryos. what is it that might work in this case? >> again, this is the science

hope versus the science reality. the hope is 200 years from now they can cure her cancer and it will be like she woke up the next day. the reality is for humans, we can freeze embryos, we can freeze red blood cells. we can freeze tissues. we can't freeze organs. if they can't freeze organs, they can't freeze whole bodies yet. we're not sure what's going to happen with these hundreds of bodies they have. even 200 years from now, when they try to unfreeze them, we don't know if they will be successful or not. >> dr. torres, thank you so much. you were next, the enormous security challenge of protecting president-elect trump and his trump tower in the heart of manhattan. attention: are you eligible for medicare?

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easier. >> dealing with gridlock around trump tower, a busy area and getting around the detail has become a major headache for new yorkers. today i'm on a little bit of a rant, because it took me about seven hours to get to work this morning, because president-elect donald trump has his midtown manhattan apartment, and it's on permanent lock down. you need to take your behind it washington. you wanted the job. go on and go to washington. >> maybe not seven hours. whoopi goldberg making commentary. a running question, though what to do if trump does live part time in new york city as president? joining me now, ralph basham, director of the secret service from 2003 to 2006. no better person to talk about this here, ralph. from what you've been watching at trump tower and you have a president-elect living in his residence, is there a precedent

that brings, that comes to mind for you? >> quite frankly, richard, there is really no precedent for it, but if i had to select a city around the world where i had, was confident that the security for the president-elect would be assured would be new york city. first of all, it is the largest field office of the secret service. it works very, very closely, hand in glove, with new york city police department, who is very accustomed to dealing with these sorts of high profile challenges and celebrities and, of course, once mr. trump became president-elect, obviously, additional security measures were put into place, the barriers and perimeters and no-fly zone over trump towers,

and you have to remember, richard, the secret service has been with mr. trump since november 2015. so they've become very accustomed to trump towers and the residence there, both the commercial companies and that sort of thing. so i'm quite confident that the secret service and new york police department has that situation well in hand. >> i'm interested in what is here, ralph. say you are now head of the secret service again. what's that conversation that you have with the president-elect that go, no go conversation, if you will, if he will or will not live part-time at trump tower as the president of the united states? what might that go like? >> first of all, probably a one-way conversation. actually. if the president chooses to spend a considerable amount of time in trump tower, then it's the secret service's responsibility to ensure that he can do that in a safe and secure fashion.

you know, it is a difficult balance to strike. you know, between, you know, security and allowing the president of the united states to go about the people's business, but that's a job of the secret service, and quite frankly, it's not their first rodeo, and you know, that situation in new york is clearly challenging, but the secret service is up to the challenge along with their partners, the new york city police department. >> what's one of the challenges that you would be focused on? you said there were some challenges in new york city? >> judgment the fact, its location on fifth avenue. the amount of commercial truck traffic in the area. pedestrian traffic in the area. it is an open -- the trump tower, as far as i understand, is actually open to the public. there are businesses that people are coming and going to, on a daily basis, and so trying to

control that and making sure that you have the proper security measures in place at the entrance and throughout the building to deal with any eventual problems. the benefit, of course, i believe the trump family lives on the top three or four floors, which makes it fairly easy to you know, secure that area. but it is a challenge, and the service has its work cut out. >> trump tower does have businesses. putting up, open for business signs in some places. it has 26 floors of office space. some 264 luxury apartments as well. what does this mean for the tenants, the folks living in, in background checks and other levels of security? >> obviously, the secret service as well as the new york police department, i'm sure, has surveyed that building and

talked to the residents, but, you know, it is -- it is a situation where we are talking about the president-elect of the united states, and perhaps -- eventually the president of the united states, and the secret service is charged with his security and the security if his family and security of his residence, and, no. it's going to be -- it's going to pose some problems for tenants in that building. there's no question about that. but there's not much else -- there's no other choice. they do have to secure the building. they do have to secure the family of the president-elect, and eventually the president. >> ralph basham, thank you so much for your service as director of the secret service and for your perspective as we think about how to protect the president-elect, whether or not he does stay at trump tower when he is sworn in as president. appreciate your time today on a saturday. >> thank you for having me. we're watching this. mitt romney, once calling donald

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