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>> i appreciate the chance to speak with the president-elect and look forward to the coming administration. >> now, trump's entire weekend is jam-packed with meetings for potential cabinet picks. watching all of that. nbc's kelly o'donnell live in bedminster, new jersey, where the comings and goings have been fast and furious today. kelly, last we spoke, about 40 minutes ago. what have you seen happening there? >> reporter: well, i think one of the things we're waiting for now, richard, is for general jim mattis, retired marine general, who is in meeting with president-elect donald trump and vice president-elect mike pence. that meeting is under way. they've been through a series of meetings earlier today, but general mattis is a strong contender, i am told from a variety of sources, for donald trump's consideration for a job in the administration. so we have talked about some of the people who have come today for various positions, possible,

but i'm getting a stronger indication from sources that mattis is a name we may, in fact, see in a trump administration. could that be an announcement today or this weekend? we don't yet know, but the meeting is happening now. is it a job interview? perhaps. we saw with a brief photo op on the front end donald trump referring to the general as a great man. sort of a gesture towards him telling us that. so we expect to hear from them soon. so perhaps if it happens while we're live on camera we'll just watch it unfold. earlier today, of course, governor mitt romney, also speculated as being a potential fit for the administration as unusual as that may be given the relationship and ups and downs between trump and romney over the past year, what we are getting from watching what unfolded today is that the frayed relationship, the damaged relationship may have been repaired by the cordial body language we saw here and also we listened to what governor romney had that say about what he and

donald trump and mike pence talked about, and it wasn't about jobs. it wasn't about the economy. it wasn't about domestic issues. he focused on matters of the world. that sounds like the kind of thing a potential secretary of state would be focused on. take a listen. >> we had a -- a far-reaching conversation with regards to the various theaters in the world where there are interests of the united states of real significance. we discussed those areas, and exchanged our views on those topics. a very thorough and in-depth discussion in the time we had. >> reporter: we also heard from president-elect trump today when he was meeting with some of the other officials we've seen come through. some good decisions are being made, we're told. we don't know if that means he's reaching choices today about cabinet positions, but it certainly is intended to convey real work is happening here with these get-togethers and also saw two potential candidates for the

department of education, michelle rhee and betsy devause and big names in mitt romney it and potentially jim mattis who could fill out positions in a trump administration. will that happen? we don't know yet for sure, but there is certainly intense speculation how donald trump will choose to fill out his cabinet, and i'm going to just -- no one's waving just yet. i heard the door open and close behind me. so we're waiting for that. we will let you know, richard when we have the nexiteration of potential job applicants, comings and goings at bedminster in new jersey. >> kelly o'donnell. do not get near her. can hear doors 50 feet away from her opening and closing. >> reporter: so nervous. we don't want to miss it. >> you're on top of it. thank you very much, kelly. and bringing in political news and msnbc contributor and

talk show host charlie sykes. john carl what do you make of mitt romney here? i imagine you being who you are, that it's a bit of a smile that he might be the person named as part of the cabinet? >> i'm not just smiling because i'm looking at your handsome face, richard. i'm smiling because i take heart and great enkurcouragement in t fact the president-elect and romney had that conversation good they talked about foreign affairs. one hand you could argue the president-elect was just asking miami romney for his views and guidance and help on people filling out roles but i will hold out hope in that the president-elect actually asked mitt romney to join his administration, ideally as secretary of state. that would send a wonderful signal for the country and a great thing for the world. >> rebecca, as you follow this, report on this and hear conservatives like john carlo saying, ah, this is good. this is, of course, just one of the faces that might be positive

for those who are in the establishment, but then those are saying that's not what they want. >> this comes at the tail end of a week when it's one step forward, three steps back, when it comes to wooing over the establishment. officials like a former bush official, elliott cone running prominently warning fellow establishment figure, national security figures, to steer clear of the trump administration, saying it was essentially a disaster waiting to happen. there's nothing that can counter that quite like mitt romney's seal of approval. the trump people are clearly hoping whether or not he hops onboard he gives his stamp of approval and seemed to give that today. >> reflect on what those two said already and when you look at the slate of individuals donald trump is looking at today, even a democrat michelle rhee what does that tell you? >> a little whiplash, the good, bad and ugly. start with steve bannon, questionable choices, and no question about it. the fact that mitt romney is there sends a tremendous signal,

and really it gives you a different image of what we thought we'd get from this administration. the initial reports it been this was going to be a very, very small group of loyal s and a lot of vengeance handened out. you look at the list of people he's talking with, and they are going to be broadly acceptable to most mainstream conservatives. you know, including people like michelle rhee, very, very well-known and well-respected in education reform circles. we've got a long way to go. and steve bannon, still sitting there in the white house, but that picture of donald trump and mitt romney was certainly one of the more unexpected images from a very -- from a year in which we've seen so many unexpected developments. >> as we were watching his rallies, right? never knew what he would say. in this case don't necessarily know what he's going to name or who he's going to bring to sit down with him and mike pence. rebecca, also the controversy swirls around donald trump's visit with the prime minister of

japan, trump's daughter ivanka an son-in-law kushner. both attended but no press allowed for that. are you guessing we'll see more of that with president-elect trump? >> taken a bit back from the pushback. the photo that came from this and the photo just having ivanka sitting in the room. the conflicts of interest story, piling up. another one today in the "washington post" about it seems as though the trump hotel is pitching its services to foreign diplomats, and that's another area where you might see the president-elect personally profiting from the office, and these stories are going to continue and the extent to which he can separate his professional, his presidential office from his private business dealings so far it hasn't been a clean break at all. >> it is going to be a very difficult conversation here, john carlo, because we have this

example today of daughter and son-in-law meeting with a head of state. gentlem japan in this case with the president-elect. and alluding to the hotel in washington, d.c., owned by the trumps. diplomats might say, hey, i'd love to stay there, because it's a head nod to the president, and so there goes all the accusations not only of the nixon business and questions potentially about nepotism as they have access to certain leaders others would not. >> absolutely. two points. i reed direct groat a diplomat i believe representing an asian country, said almost verbatim, if i'm coming to washington, going to meet at the president why wouldn't i stay in the hotel he owns blocks away from the white house? we're in unchartered waters with regard to conflict of interests. the rule of law prevails and this administration will be, it will be incumbent upon them to

adhere to it. with regard to his family member, certainly the president of the united states is entitled to get advice from whomever he sees foyt hear it from and i don't think we should deny members of his family advice he wants. obviously he needs to be open and transparent about it and make sure the administration and white house stays on the right side of the law. >> if working-class values are one of the headlines we took out of this, charlie, and we see a headline like this, with the daughter and son-in-law having access to a head of state, also with the sorts of names we're seeing coming to new jersey, establishment basically, republicans and other politicos, this doesn't seem to be a head nod towards what may have brought him to the white house? your thoughts, charlie? >> well, i think that the trump folks may think that the laws of political gravity don't apply to them, considering what they've gotten through, but these

conflicts of interest, this relationship between the family and the business and the presidency could be a huge distraction for a trump administration. this is almost a predictable scandal. this is the kind of thing that could undermine a lot of images. look what happened with clinton inc. replaced by trump incorporated. tries to drain the swamp, turn it into a family business, in effect it is going to be a lingering problem and democrats already made it clear they're going after this, going to hammer this. i don't see any indication they fully have taken onboard exactly how big a problem this is or how difficult it will be for them to solve it. >> all-star panel. thank you so much. appreciate it. rebecca, john and carole, have a great saturday. >> thanks. >> thanks. when we come back, focus on one of the picks donald trump already made. retired army lieutenant general michael flynn, head of the nsa. joined by someone who once served alongside flynn to discuss his record.

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much like donald trump's campaign, stirring up controversy. retired army lieutenant mike's flynn, former intelligence officer, picked friday as trump's top national security adviser. he comes with a ton of military decorations, but he also comes with a ton of baggage, too. his past comments on muslims are causing concern. flynn tweeting earlier this year, "the fear of muslims is rational." in august, calmed islam "a cancer." flynn was fired from his defense position in 2014. he says it was over his stance on radical islam and expansion 67 al qaeda. joining me now, retired brigadier general mark kimit,

who served with michael flynn. you know him? >> sure. >> is he the right man for the job? >> he brings an incredible background as an intelligence officer and more importantly, an incredibly hard worker and somebody that works well with senior leaders, and his job as national security adviser is going to be to work that very delicate balance between the department of defense, department of state, treasury department and intelligence community to give best advice to the president. >> flynn does not agree when we talk about actually the muslim ban that donald trump has spoken about in the past. but he does agree with donald trump on waterboarding, also agrees on killing suspected terrorist families. might we actually see these views put into practice by flynn? >> well, first of all, i'd be very, very surprised if those practices were put into place, because i think mike certainly understands that every time you conduct yourself in that manner,

you create more and more terrorists and in fact validate the narrative going through the middle east among radical terrorists that america is at war with islam. >> what does flynn bring to the leadership team of donald trump that you know having worked with him? >> well, i think the most important thing is his very, very extensive knowledge of counterterrorism operations, black operations and has a very good sense of radical islam. if you look at that picture you saw behind him, sebastian gorga one of the most preeminent experts on the issue of radical islam terrorism. i think he's going to bring probably the most extensive knowledge of the threat we are facing today than the last five or six national security advisors. >> and what is his management style like? >> listen, he does rub people the wrong way at times, but i think in many times when he goes into a bureaucracy that doesn't

want to change, he's going to make a change. if you look at what he and general mcchrystal did at the joint special operations command in both iraq and afghanistan, completely transformed those organizations to the pre-eminence they are today. so is he a tough leader? yes. is he a task master? yes. does he rub people the wrong way? sometimes, yes. most importantly, does he get the job kudone? yes. >> reflect on this. one of the story lines coming out of flynn is his relationship with russia and vladimir putin. flynn attending a dinner, for instance, with putin, where putin was the guest of honor. is this a concern you believe here in his choice, in his selection, flynn, by donald trump? >> well, let's also take a look at what he's trying to do with russia. every president since 1989 has started their administration saying, we need to have a reset with russia. my view is that when mike flynn

what he's doing, setting conditions for that reset so that when donald trump takes over as president, there's at least the beginning of less animosity between the two countries. it's yet to be seen whether russia will accept that outreach. they haven't in the past, but i don't think we can wait until the end of january for the president-elect to start that outreach. >> right now as you might know here, general, donald trump is holding meetings in new jersey. we understand general mattis is meeting with donald trump, mike pence as a potential candidate for secretary of defense. do you know mattis, and if you do know him or of him, what's your thought about that? >> oh, he -- i hold jim mattis in the highest level of admiration. he's a very unique character. he is probably the best marine we've seen in the last 50 years. you can look at what he's done in iraq as a warrior. but he's also a scholar. this is a man unmarried, who goes home at night and reads the

classic, the classics. he is very well-read, very intelligent. listens well, and as a secretary of defense, i think he's going to bring a very direct approach to the problems of war, the problems of defense. again, an admirable person and we'd be lucky to have him at secretary of defense. >> general mark kimic, thank you for your perspective and again on the topics discussed today. appreciate it. >> sure. donald trump often compares his campaign to brexit. the british vote to leave the european union. our own joann reid is in london and went out and spoke to some londoners about that. >> reporter: i'm here in london, in front of the houses of parliament and there's a big double-decker bus. it's so londony. talking to commuters about brexit versus trump. here we go. which is worse, brexit or trump? >> trump. >> trump. >> trump, definitely. >> i think both.

very difficult, but i think brexit is more worse. >> reporter: why? >> because it's -- one big community, europe, and then a very important country, england, is leaving. so i think that's for, for the economics. >> i think donald trump has potentially worse implications. >> reporter: why? >> because brexit sort of stays within our house. like, it may have implications within europe but the main bad will be felt here. the main of donald trump could be felt the world over depending what happens. probably take ten brexits, bad as it is, over the election in the united states. >> reporter: has brexit changed how it feels for you? >> absolutely. feels more divisive. and voted to remain, the rest voted exit. living in london you feel a bit in an isolated bubble, but it

does exchange the atmosphere. you start thinking, do they not appreciate the diversity? not appreciate other europeans, other non-europeans living here? are we going to be getting shipped out? >> kearns about terrorism, et cetera. worries in america about this idea of a muslim ban. one of the reasons for a lot of the protests. it's that kind of a proposal. what do you make of that? >> i mean, for a country that's whole is sort of -- it's whole ethox is predicated on immigration. it's very hard to say we're going to ban somebody from a certain ethnic or religious group. >> reporter: as you go around london, i don't know how long you've been in town, do you find people asking, whatted? as americans -- >> yes. we checked into the hotel, three people at the counter said, what's going on over there? what's going on? >> reporter: so is britain literally feeling better about itself now that we have done trump, even though you guys did

brexit? just be real. >> okay. >> reporter: joy reid in london. for us next, how the democrats are working to rebuild after this year's election. talk about that and later, one former assistant attorney general over the president-elect's pick for attorney general.

the side mitt romney, one of donald trump's fiercest criticizers. a bigger surprise may be coming from democrats in the senate. some democratic lawmakers could team up with donald trump. is this potentially here how democrats may rebuild going forward? democratic political political consultant fernand amandi, a busy guy here on msnbc.

fernand, tell me what you think. might this alines work? might it happen? >> it might, richard. at the very end, it's interesting. an approach that in essence goes against conservative orthodoxy. believe it or not the infrastructure bill is exactly what paul ryan in many segments of the republican conservative base don't want at all. interesting, earlier steve bannon wanted trillions in infrastructure. could be something the democrats might strategically do, certainly help a lot of americans and get the economy moving but break the philosophical rule of the republican party. >> other issues you believe they could work across the aisle with, if you will? >> what they need to do more than anything else is buildable economic-based message. look, for all the policy successes that barack obama had in being elected president in

'08 and '12, his failure to build the democratic party as an institution. the fact he did not really do that as well as he probably would have liked to have is going to tarnish his legacy by president donald trump taking office. if democrats focus on building around an economic message and through that message recruiting candidates for office in a variety of different states, and eastern competing in states and in seats that may not have been so accessible in the past. they have an opportunity to reverse fortunes, and in politics, two years is an eternity. we've seen what's happened from 2004, when democrats got shellacked. 2006, two years later, take control of congress again. they really have time but have to be honest in recognizing they've been failure in recruiting candidates. >> pull out your, your thought cloud here. 2018 who is that person that fits that paradigm of what this new democratic party needs to be? is it joe biden?

going back, to go forward? >> you're halfway right. i think it is a joe in the democratic party, but it's a millennial joe and it's joe kennedy. congressman from massachusetts. he, i think, is the type of person to represent -- the democratic party. think about the fact ma len yils are the largest segment of the american electorate and will be the next three or four cycles pup need individuals like to. a generational shift inflecting new interest and blood into the thinking of the democratic party. bring those issues back down to where the next great segment of the electoral pie is going forward nap might be the kind of leader and tr tr im rhinyan bui message of hope. and clarity, as bad for the democrats last tuesday night, they still won the popular vote, as my count still ahead by 1.3 million. it's not it was a disaster. it was disastrous losing the

presidency. still an opportunity to do a lot of good things and build on successes in '18 and beyond. >> an awakening for both parties. thank you so much, political consultant, from miami. >> thanks. more anti-trump protests again today. this one in washington, d.c. live to trump tower today for you. what protestors have also gathered when we come back. when you find something worth waiting for, we'll help you invest to protect it for the future. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase, so you can. simulation initiated. ♪

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with donald trump. let's listen in. >> it's the real deal. he is the real deal. thank you. >> reporter: will he have a place in your administration? >> we're going to see. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> just a wonderful man, what a career, and we're going it see what happens, but he is the real deal. thank you, everybody. >> reporter: do you want the job? general? >> reporter: general -- >> okay. >> watching live shots coming out of new jersey where president-elect donald trump meeting with several individuals today and our own kelly o'donnell has been keeping her eyes on that door, and we heard you shouting out the questions, kelly. thanks for doing that for us. talk about general mattis and what he might be considered for in this new administration?

it looks like we're having trouble there technically with that live picture coming out of new jersey. and, again, general mattis just meeting with president-elect trump. the retired marine corps general. potential, is what we're hearing, for secretary of defense and has been described by one general, somebody that would be a good choice. a fellow general in the army, commenting about this retired marine corps general. we'll get back to that picture when we are able to re-establish our connection there coming out of new jersey, but it has been a fast and furious day for meetings as we're looking at the transition team moving ahead on this weekend. no days off for anybody certainly as we make it towards january 20th. also, what we're watching is, okay, we have now, the connection back. and kelly o'donnell is there for us, and kelly, i was just commenting on how it's been a

busy day there. the cameras moving back and forth and watching there the retired marine corps general james mattis leaving a meeting and you were shouting out several questions about, you know, will he be part of the administration? what are we watching here in terms of the general? >> reporter: well, we think, and i'm going to step down here because we also have another possible pick for the trump cabinet, mr. bob woodson, being greeted, and he is a potential hud secretary, housing and urban development. he is a prominent figure in the trump universe for this particular pick. so rime going to let him enter as i continue to tell you about general mattis. what we saw just a short time ago based on all of my sources was an important sign for the trump administration. sources tell me there is a very strong indication that general mattis would have a role in the trump administration.

again, root night now we see th president-elect and vice president-elect meeting bob woodson, who we believe is here to talk about the housing and urban development department. another way that he could fill this out. >> reporter: role do you see for mr. woodson, sir? okay. it's good. it's good. >> you need something? do you? i'll send some -- not allowed to do that, but i will. okay? we'll send some stuff out. i'll take care of you. >> reporter: all right. so the president-elect is taking drink orders from the media. you know that's going to be a mess for us, but, richard, that's part of -- we've been out here all day and it's actually gotten quite cold and we've had a lot of hospitality from the people who are a part of this

golf club. we appreciate that. it's private property. the fact we're here and doing our jobs from here at a private club, we should say we appreciate that they've given us access here. so what we saw there is sort of the photo op moment, as the day has worn on, seems the president-elect is a little more willing to give a few words. so i'm getting a little more bold in my shouted question mode, so by the end of the day who know what's could happen. getting back to general mattis, among those people we have seen today, sources tell me we should really watch general mattis. there are a lot of prominent people in their various dismoney whose have come through today, and general mattis is certainly held in very high regard, and based on sources, of course, waiting for the ultimate decision by the president-elect, i am told that he could very well have a place in the administration, and sources, multiple sources have told me that the defense department could be a place for general mattis. now, because she a he is a reti

general, not out of service for longer than seven years, that would require a waiver from congress. the reason for that is the head of the pentagon must be a civilian in the u.s., and so, therefore, general mattis is a civilian today a retired general, but there's a need for some space and some time after military service to be considered for the pentagon. so that can be handled through a congressional waiver, if it were to come to that. of course, there are other positions in the administration where that would not be required. so general mattis, i'm told, is someone we should watch seriously as the president-elect evaluates people for this cabinet or to be advisers in his severe as his white house of the future comes together. of course, mr. woodson, we mentioned is here, the speculation is housing and urban development. so many departments that need to be filled and a lot of meetings today. richard? >> thank you so much, kelly. yes, speaking with brigadier general mark kimit earlier, very high regard for retired marine

corps general mattis. we'll see, kelly o'donnell in bedminster with hot chocolate and s'mores coming, i guess. thank you. and protests continues this afternoon meanwhile against president-elect trump. tammy leutner live outside of trump tower in manhattan, and those continue with folks seems like from all different places. at least that was the case earlier, tammy? >> reporter: absolutely, richard. you know, the number of protestors died down, but one interesting thing to look at. this sparked a dialogue between protestors and people walking by. this group here have been talking for at least 20 minutes. they started talking about donald trump, they moved on to guns. hidden communism and opened up a dialogue. you've been out here about five times protesting? >> yes. >> reporter: tell me why you feel the need to keep coming out? >> initially it started out as

wanting to vent frustration. to let the world know that more than halve of the voting population in this country voted against this. that we're not going to abandon women. we're not going to abandon blacks. not going to abandon our muslim brothers and sisters. we're not going to abandon immigrants and not going to abandon our environment. you don't get to come out and vote every four years as citizen of this country and then go home and take a nap. i think it's important that we put faces on the 62-plus million people that voted for someone other than this man. and i think it's also important as things kind of settle down to make sure that we have dialogues and that we're starting to organize. >> reporter: definitely there's a dialogue out here today, mike. thank you very much. richard, an ex-changes of ideas and a very peaceful process. >> thank you, tammy leutner in

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welcome back. a lot of pushback from siecivil activists. if confirmed, jeff sessionless no longer be writing laws but enforcing them instead. even those he doesn't agree with. opponents accused him of racism. talk show host hugh hewitt says democrat doss not fear his civil rights record but what he calls the pursuit of genuine liberty. >> he knows doj top to bottom. 17 years, he will turn that place upside-down. i suspect he will appoint a special prosecutor to look into the servergate and i suspect they will look into whether or not the current deputy assistances attorney generals were involved in obstruction of those investigations.

>> joining us, former assistant attorney general to the department of civil rights division. will he turn this department upside-down? which, as we hit different administrations new attorneys general will change a massive number of those working in the department? >> he may turn around upside-down but the civil rights department the least of it. the reason for that is it's understandable given his record on civil rights and human rights legislation. that people are concerned about it. but when you become an enforcement officer, you take a different oath have a different responsibility, and we've seen this happen many times before. john mitchell was famous during the nixon administration for saying, watch what we do, not what we say. i think there there be a lot of that in this administration. >> what will he do? >> probably say with regard to existing laws we're going to enforce them, because that's our responsibility. i think with regard to new legislation and new programs,

that's where the question arises. will he actually pull back on other initiatives taken? >> why is he a good choice? >> well, he's a good choice, because we represents what the country asked donald trump to bring to the department. i think he's a good choice in the sense that he's an honest person. no one has says otherwise about that. i think it's all about policy choices that people are understandably most concerned. the civil rights community. the civil rights community is always nervous. we are always nervous about these thing. hubert humphrey ran against richard nixon, democrat from minnesota, known as mr. civil rights. used to say we're never so happy in the sieve's rights community as when we're unhappy. >> and given your age, you actually heard him say this? >> i was there. >> all respect to you, my friend. why is he not a good choice, sessions? >> well, i don't know that we know either case whether he's good or bad, because we're in

this weird position right now. 70-some days or whatever until something happens. we have to keep filling the news and speculating. the news is not news. we don't have news. we have speculation, because there is nothing happening. so what we've got to do is say, bakesed on a record, what do we project? projection, all i'm saying here for the moment is hopeful, but my projection, it may not be the same dire circumstance everybody thinks. >> this is what some are pointing to, critics. going to suddy poverty law center, written extensively about groups that jeff sessions is a associated with and they call these groups "deeply racist." but on the flip side, he's also been known to answer to that, that criticism and been known to defend issues that would actually blunt perhaps potent l potentially some of those concerned about who jeff sessions is. >> a good point. he did prosecute someone from the ku klux klan successfully. that runs contrary to the jokes

of 30 years ago that he supposedly told, supposedly jokes. but we've got to remember talking about the klan that the iconic figure of the 20th century, franklin delano roosevelt, liberal democrat appointed a member of the ku klux klan to the united states. see court. a former member. hugo black. hugo black became one of the most revered justices of the supreme court, and i think that that is another example of my point which is, maybe, i'm saying maybe, not predicting, maybe there is a different approach to things when you take office, whether it's the court, the justice department or any other enforcement or judicial position. >> all right. showing your depth there, stanley pottinger going back some years to give perspective and context on this choice, potential confirmation of jeff sessions. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. donald trump has famously said he's keeping his strategy to fight isis secret. but what do his national security appointments tell us

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i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. >> president-elect donald trump describes part of his plan for isis. the man he picked to help him defeat isis, retired general mike flynn as national security adviser. >> would you kill the family of a terror suspect? yes or no? >> i would have to see what the circumstances of that situation was. >> are you kidding me? >> i would have to see the circumstances of that situation. >> what circumstances would justify killing of a family -- the life of a child? >> well it would have to be the circumstances we were facing at the time. >> michael flynn there appearing on al jazeera suggesting that family members of terrorists could be fair game in the war against isis. trump faced criticism during the campaign for not having a plan, but he insists he's keeping it a secret so as to remain

unpredictable along the way. joining me now, malcolm nance, msnbc terrorism analyst and author of "defeating isis: who they are, how they fight and what they believe." what do you see here, malcolm? and thanks for being with us. what do you see here? what do you think about retired lieutenant general mike flynn? >> well, i'm -- he's been selected as the incoming national security adviser and i'm not sure whether that's the best choice or it's just a choice made out of loyalty. you have to understand, general flynn was fired from defense intelligence agency by president obama. principally due to kearns about his management style, and certainly most recently from his recent book "feel the fight." he believes there should be a clash of civilizations between the west essentially and islam. so his selection makes things much more problematic than the fight against isis.

>> when you look at the plan so far that's been discussed by donald trump, and, again, he's been saying, i am not going to reveal any sort of detail. does the michael flynn here nomination give you a sense of what that plan will be going forward to defeat isis? >> well, full disclosure here, donald trump told "time" magazine august 8th the last book he read in the campaign was my book "defeating isis" which is a 544-page deep dive intelligence analysis of isis. so you know, he said at the commander in chief forum which i was present at he actually doesn't have a plan for isis. he will order a 30-day review and wear a batt-- where a battl will be drawn up. general flynn will have something to do with that battle plan. putting more forces in

higher-risk areas where many special operations will be at risk of death. >> when you see donald trump here and general flynn, they're on the same page when we talk about russia. what does that mean for syria? >> as i understand it from the trump campaign, their strategy is to allow russia to do the heavy lifting in syria, which means that the united states policy would shift from backing the rebels who were against the regime and armed by the u.s. government or allies for the last eight years, and that they would shift to alouing the assad regime to kill all of them by claiming that they're fighting isis. this would be the salvation of isis. it would take off all the pressure from an entire battle front on isis, and it would allow russia and syria to essentially solidify their -- their aspirations within that country. >> all right. msnbc terrorism analyst malcolm nance, thank you for your expertise, sir. >> my pleasure. that's all for me this afternoon. thanks for joining us here on

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