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hello, everyone. i'm betty nguyen. another marathon session of high profile meetings for the president-elect today. we are monitoring the live picture outside of his weekend home in new jersey where the meetings have been under way for an hour. new reaction from the vice-president-elect amid concerns over racist comments that jeff sessions allegedly made over 30 years ago. >> this is a very anxious time relative to the justice department. they know that jeff sessions will restore integrity there. >> what about the record when it comes to race and gays and women? >> i'm very confident that in the course of the confirmation hearings that his record in its totality will come out. >> senator rand paul is weighing in on some other controversial

picks whose names have been floated for secretary of state. >> there are several potential republican votes against someone like bolton, possibly giuliani. the only thing giuliani will stir up is the financial stuff. he spent a year and a half for taking money from foreign countries. you better be careful about appointing somebody who has taken money. >> giuliani is set to meet with trump today. reince priebus is trying to ease concerns over the role trump's children will play in his administration. >> there is going to be no violation of any of the rules, i ac can assure you of that. families have been involved with their fathers in administrations. i can assure you though what you are seeing donald trump do right now is bring the best and brightest together to make the best decisions for america, for

all americans, no matter who you are. >> let's head over to bedminister, new jersey, where the president-elect is holding meetings at his golf club. kelly o'donnell is there. what's the latest from the trump team? >> reporter: well, good to be with you. behind me is the clubhouse here at the bedminister trump national golf club. this is where donald trump has been receiving some of his guests who are here for discussions on a range of topics, perhaps job interviews for some. so far today, we have seen the hollywood super agent ari emanuel who just left a few minutes ago. donald trump shook his hand, saw him off, indicated it had been a good meeting. no specific comments. and no real indication about the purpose of that particular meeting. if the name sounds familiar to people, he is, of course, the brother of the chicago mayor who had previously been the chief of staff to president obama and a member of congress and to zeke

emanuel, the physician who is certainly knowledgeable on all kinds of health care policy and often speaks out about obamacare and how those sorts of policies are good for the country. prominent family. he is the head of the william morris talent agency that at one time represented donald trump. perhaps this is a meeting of reaching out to people that donald trump already knows and may seek his counsel on some topics. there's a dozen prominent individuals coming here today. they have expertise in different areas from economics to business to the military. we will see some elected officials like new jersey governor chris christie and the house member kathy mcmorris rogers who is in gop leadership in the house. a long day of conversations here for a second straight day. donald trump has indicated that it's possible that today they will prepare with some additional announcements about how their cabinet and new government is taking shape.

they're not promising, but they are hinting. perhaps if some decisions are reached today, jobs offered and accepted, we will hear about that. you remember, yesterday it was gloriously beautiful here. today, not so much. it's cold and snowy. but they are meeting inside for the private sessions with the president-elect, vice-president-elect and some of the senior staffers. >> feeling like november in jersey. as soon as those announcements are made, we will hear from you. kelly, thank you. in just a few minutes, we will talk about the trump transition with ranking member of the house intelligence committee, democratic congressman adam schiff of california. right now, let's bring in erin and molly. thanks for being with us today. erin, will trump's meeting with romney end up being more than a photo op? could romney end up in the cap net? >> the way mitt romney approached the press after the meeting certainly suggests that he is interested.

he was talking about various theaters in the world and that he talked to donald trump about foreign policy. it's very possible that he could be nominated for a role like that. i would point out with some of donald trump's picks, it's very possible that donald trump himself knows that some of them might not pass muster and could be derailed. i would remind you about 2008, late in 2008 and early 2009, some of obama's picks came under great scrutiny as well. you might remember tom daschle was first the person who was appointed to be hhs secretary and then ultimately withdrew and didn't undergo senate confirmation because of some personal issues that came out that were reported on with his taxes and what have you. the trump campaign -- the trump transition team is making an opening bid here with some of the picks. some of them might not make it. he might have to choose others who might not be quite so conservative or more acceptable to more members of the senate. >> there's a lot of seats to

fill. what's your takeaway from today's meetings? his former agent was his first guest today. are you getting signals on how trump's administration is facing up? >> you know, it's very interesting. i go back to erin's point that when you put somebody forward like a tom daschle, a senator, you think, he is going to fly through because he was a member of the senate. then again, you don't know because sometimes if there hasn't been thorough vetting of the candidates, it won't pass the test. in terms of ari emanuel, i was surprised by that. you know, the one thing we have learned from this election is that we shouldn't be surprised by anything that donald trump does. including his tweets out about "hamilt "hamilton." two days in a row. the media. this has been a very interesting process to watch because he has been so unconventional. i mean, he has been working all weekend. we have seen him at work or seen

him -- we can imagine what he is doing behind closed doors. but there's been a camera focused on him at trump tower and new bedford. >> you talk about unconventional. some people watching may think, at least he is bringing new people into the fold, if for nothing else information as he puts all of this together. erin, let me get back to you. priebus said giuliani is in the running. a source told our pentagon reporter that this giuliani's fate is still up in the air when it comes to a cabinet post. has he fallen out of favor? >> there's no question that with a lot of the news coverage that has come out about giuliani and some of his past deals that he could be in some trouble in terms of actually getting the cabinet post that he wants. obviously, he was quite the loyalist to donald trump. it looks like donald trump wants to reward his loyalists. he might not get the position that he ultimately wanted.

but i wouldn't count rudy giuliani out. early on in 2007, he was a front runner for the republican nomination for president. a lot of the media thought he would be the nominee. then it went on to mitt romney and john mccain ultimately became the nominee. he has been a fixture for a long time. i wouldn't count him out any time soon. >> molly, we're learning from the trump organization that he met with three indian business partners at trump power last week. a spokesperson tells the new york types that ttimes that it more than a courtesy call. are you getting a sense they're trying to erase these blurred lines? >> it seems like they're trying to if not erase them at least lessen them somewhat. the problem is, the trump campaign and the republicans made such an issue of the clinton foundation and going after hillary clinton and allegations or at least seemingly sordid possible

relations between bill clinton and influencing hillary clinton who was then secretary of state based on money transactions. i think with his business, he has to be very careful. although he does have a republican controlled congress, that doesn't mean that all those republicans are very friendly towards him particularly. and he really needs to watch his step, because if he wants to drain the swamp, that includes himself. he is the president. and just because he is the president of the united states does not mean that he cannot be impeached or anything else. >> erin and molly, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. serious concerns about general michael flynn as trump's national security advisor. they are coming from the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. up next, congressman adam schiff tells us what worries him most about flynn and other trump selections. often leads here. introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source. new aleve direct therapy.

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can you equivocally rule out a registry for muslims? >> look, i'm not going to rule out anything. but i wouldn't -- we're not going to have a registry based on a religion. what i think what we're trying to do is say there are some people, certainly not all people, there are some people that are radicalized. and there are some people that have to be prevented from coming into this country. >> that is soon to be white house chief of staff reince priebus on meet the press a short time ago. as a second day of meetings is under way, the vice-president-elect is confirming one of the weekend's biggest stories. >> governor mitt romney came in. they had a good meeting. it was a warm and substantive exchange. i know he is under active consideration to be the secretary of state of the united states along with some other very distinguished americans. >> let's bring in congressman adam schiff of california.

he is a ranking member of the house. let me start with this. your reaction to what reince priebus said? you can't imagine a trump administration doing a registry, can you? >> i hope not, no. i would fight that tooth and nail. i don't know what to make of his answer. his answer was, we won't have a registry for a particular religious group, but i won't rule out a registry for muslims. this is the problem we have seen with some of the other picks of donald trump. that is, the inability to distinguish between those that would per certificate tvert the and the great body of muslims all over the world. that plays into this terrible narrative that al qaeda wants to tell that there is a clash of civilizations, that's the west against islam. for a country that's founded on freedom of exercise of religion, even the suggestion that a registry could be possible is

destructive to us. >> what do you say to the argument that this is to protect americans? there has to be something done, even if it's not a specific registry. something has to be done. >> certainly, we have to go after isis and al qaeda and fight this ideology, this perversion of islam that they are trumpeting. but we have to be very careful not to try to stigmatize an entire religion, not to event l vulcanize this community. this is the problem in europe where they are isolated and alienated. one of the strengths is in the united states is we have assimilated communities. we don't want to lose that. nor do we want to lose our muslim allies in the fight against isis and al qaeda. we need to be very careful here. to the degree that donald trump has called for a ban on muslims or reince priebus says he won't rule out a muslim registry or michael flynn talks about all of

islam being some kind of a cancer, these are destructive things for anyone of responsibility to say. >> i want to move to your opinion on this romney meeting. could we actually see a secretary of state romney? would that be a relief to you or a concern? >> it would be a great relief to me. i think to a great many democrats and moderate republicans as well as the people around the world to have someone who is considered very mainstream, who is a very diplomatic person and persona. so i think it would be a very good choice. i have to say, i will be very surprised if donald trump picks someone like mitt romney. i think that he is more likely to be using him as a prop to give the appearance of considering a team of rivals. but this may be very much an apprentice-style showmanship. we will trot out candidates. who will get the job? only i, donald trump, know the answer. he may not have left that kind of entertainment ethic behind,

which he really needs to do as the president-elect. i would be delighted but i will be surprised. >> you have been outspoken about the selection of michael flynn as national security adviser. who are your major concerns here? >> twofold. one is some of his policy positions and one of them we talked about earlier about not being able to distinguish between al qaeda and all of islam. similarly, he has the same kind of admiration, fascination with putin and the kremlin. he thinks somehow putin is our friend. putin is not our friend. the fact that he and the president-elect were both unwilling to call out the russians on the cyber hacking tells me he will ignore sound intelligence when it contradicts his pre-set conclusion. more than that, he had real problems as a director of the dia, the defense intelligence agency. he was viewed as someone -- the words you would hear would be, erratic or or hot headed or

combative or divisive can management problems. that's not the personal till you wa want in the national security adviser. they have to bring everybody together ein a heated circumstance. >> let me move on to another pick. you worked closely with trump's pick for cia chief, mike pompeo. what should we know about him? >> he's a very smart guy. he has enormous capability. i think he could very well do a good job at cia. the challenge for mike is he's going to have to set aside the partisanship as we saw in benghazi. i think he has the capability of doing it. it's going to be enormously important. cia director is predominantly not a policy making position. it's a position where you have to provide the most sound intelligence objective fact centric intelligence to the

administration and to congress and keep polly pick itics out o. he certainly has the capability. he is a very, very bright guy. >> as you look at this so far, what do trump's staffing picks tell you about his approach to foreign policy? >> well, you know, a lot of concerns with some of the choices. you know, i think having flynn as the chief national security adviser, having someone like bannon as the chief domestic policy adviser tells me trump will carry water for this alt right fringe movement. they have to be delighted with choices like that. i'm concerned about the choice for attorney general, particularly whether he will push back against these actions taken by very conservative legislators who are targeting minority voting rights in an effort to essentially disenfranchise african-americans and others. the justice department, under president obama, has fought that vigorously.

and i want an attorney general who will fight that. i do have concerns about a number of the picks. i hope he will move into more mainstream candidates like mitt romney. but only time will tell. >> i want to move back to something you mentioned about russia. you said that there's no question that russia meddled in the election. what does that mean now that we have a president who is by his an admission more friendly than most with vladimir putin? >> well, first of all, it means that he is going to have to set aside his personal interests when the intelligence community says something like russia is meddles, as they have, as director clapper reiterated this week. and accept the facts and not tell the american people something that isn't so. that's one thing he is going to have to have respect for what the work product is and the professionals that work in the intelligence community. but i also think that he needs to be aware that when he does cross russia, and he will need to, because putin and russia are

not our friend right now, that the russians may very well hack his e-mails and that of his staff and dump things damaging to him. he has to be prepared to stand up to that. he has to be prepared to make sure there are consequences for any russian meddling in our political affairs. >> trump vowed to cut aspects of president obama's foreign policy on his first day, including the iran deal. i want you to help us understand what that would look like. >> well, you know, this is an area where it's easy to make pronouncements as a candidate. as the president, you have a different responsibility. iran is a good illustration of that. if president-elect trump tears up the agreement, he is going to reimpose sanctions, then what's going to happen is iran is going to start ginning up the cent centrifu centrifuges, start the plutonium program again. we are not going to get the russians and chinese and many european partners to go along

with us and to reimpose sank sanctions. they will be able to pursue the nuclear program. that would be the worst. i think sound minds around trump will recognize that. we have to hope so. that's the reality that candidate trump will run into when he becomes president trump. >> we covered a lot of ground. one final question for you. there could be a fight over democratic leadership in the house. do democrats need new leadership, given the gop has maintained control of both houses for past few cycles, or do you support nancy pelosi? >> i strongly support nancy pelosi. she's a very smart tactician. nobody has been more effective for her and works harder and standing up to one party rule, which is what we are going to confro confront. you need your best and she's our best. i think we're going to need new ideas in place in the economy front and center, in reaching

out to people in the middle of the country and making sure they know the democratic party is the party that's there for them, fighting for working class families, those that aspire to join the middle class. we have a plan and a well thought out agenda that meets the needs and addresses the economic uncertainties that many people throughout the country have. at the same time, brings together and keeps together that broad coalition that president obama built. i think she's the one to do it. i don't think we have anyone at all as capable as she is in our caucus. >> congressman adam schiff, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. the first big snowstorm of the season. a look at the trouble it's creating across the plains and midwest. attention: are you eligible for medicare?

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we are watching a pro-trump rally. we have showed plenty of anti-trump rallies. today you see the people lined up there in a pro-trump rally outside trump tower. the president-elect is holding meetings in new jersey to help fill his cabinet. face to face, president obama and putin in peru. will today's encounter lead to formal talks?

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to talk about this. what's it looking like right now? >> looking very nasty out there. the first major snow as we know here in the northeast causing travel delays heading into the busy travel period. look at the lake affect snow firing up. even in and around new york city, we have seen snow showers, snow piling up to half a foot in the suburbs north and west of new york city. that was something interesting to wake up to this morning. the highest snow totals will happen along the lake shores. that lake affect snow from syracuse north into upstate new york, dumping over a foot, maybe up to two feet in some spots. the wind is the other big deal in northeast. we're seeing this wind across northeast and unfortunately that will continue to cause travel delays. we have delays at airports and the lake affect snow continues to pile up. talking about travel weather for monday, the good news is quiet from minneapolis right down towards texas. good travel weather here. the wind may cause more delays

in the northeast tomorrow. travelers, be on the lookout for that. we get our next storm going, another snowstorm develops in the upper midwest for tuesday. watch for delays there and down towards dallas and san antonio there could be problems because of strong to severe thunderstorms. wednesday, the day before thanksgiving, another very busy day. snow tapering off in the midwest. now possible delays in places like chicago, st. louis, indianapolis. right down towards nashville. quiet in the northeast on wednesday. look what happens thursday. i was checking the latest computer models. unfortunately, we're still showing rain on thanksgiving day in the northeast. a soggy parade potential here in new york city. we will try to tweak that. several days before that. >> don't get me wrong. snow is terrific except when it causes travel delays. no one wants rain on their parade, literally. thank you. new developments overseas in peru to tell you about. president obama and russia's

president vladimir putin having a brief discussion on the sidelines of the major asian economic summit. ron allen is there with more for us. what did they talk about? >> reporter: this was a brief encounter is the way the white house might describe it, not a formal sit down where they talked about things for a great dealf me. it lasted about four minutes. the issues that came up were ukraine and syria and the renewed and continuing attacks on rebel positions inside syria by the syrian regime backed by russia. those are the two issues the president brought up. this is probably the last time president obama and president putin will talk face to face during president obama's time in office. we know they have had a very difficult history. the big issue here, of course, is trade. concerns amongst world leaders about what trade policy will look like under a donald trump administration. a lot of concerns about protecti protectionism, concerns about tariffs, concerns about a very aggressive policy towards

countries here like china. the president obama has been saying, don't expect the worst and give the president-elect a chance. here is what he said about trade. >> there are going to be tensions that arise. probably around trade more than anything else. because the president-elect campaigned on looking at every trade policy and potentially reversing some of those policies. but once they look at how it's working, i think they will determine that it's actually good both for the united states and our trading partners. >> reporter: the president is trying to put a positive spin on things. but donald trump seems opposed to president obama in terms of globalization, trade. that's what he campaigned on. there are a lot of people in the united states who are very concerned about the negative impact of trade policies.

here the president trying to be philosophical. he is trying to say to the world, let's take a deep breath, give the president-ee lktlect a chance. while there has been tradition that the outgoing president tends to give his -- the new president some space, that may not be the case for long. because again, the differences between these two men are just very deep. for now, the focus of president obama is to try to make the transition smooth and then perhaps to go after donald trump once he is in office. >> ron allen in lima, peru, for us. back to day long meetings for president-elect trump in new jersey. he is talking with potential administration officials. they come a day after his high profile meeting with mitt romney. joining me is norm coleman. he sat on the foreign relations committee. was a vocal opponent of president-elect trump during the election. senator, do you think governor romney has the foreign policy experience needed to be our next secretary of state?

>> i have no doubt that governor romney would be an outstanding secretary of state. that's a decision to be made by president-elect trump. there are candidates whose names, good friends of mine. senator corker, rudy giuliani and mitt romney, you have folks with different skills, different qualifications. nikki haley's name has been thrown in. president-elect trump will make that decision. what i find encouraging about that visit is it demonstrates that president-elect trump's willingness to listen to diverse views. mitt romney was among his most vocal critics. yet he brings him in to visit with him. it's interesting on the same day he brings in mitt romney to talk about world affairs, perhaps they talk about secretary of state, he is meeting with mad dog mattis. it has shown a willingness to listen to diverse views.

that's a very, very good thing. it's a good sign about being open to figuring out what's the best way to go forward and not worrying about where someone was during the election. >> you believe it's listening to views and not just the optics of it? >> he doesn't need the optics. he won the election. by the way, i tell you why the optics are good here, even if it's just optics, that is the optic is that he wants to pull people together. he wants to be healing. that's a good thing. so whether it's optics -- actions have meanings. it's interesting. the night when he won the election and gave his speech, he talked about how he wanted to find common ground, not hostility. he wanted to find partnership not conflict. those were his words when he found out he was going to be president. now you are seeing actions that demonstrate that. on one hand, a tough guy steve bannon being his adviser. on the other hand, reince priebus who has worked with the system, knows where all the bodies are buried, knows how to

get things done. i have to tell you, he proved me wrong. i was a harsh critic. >> you were. >> he showed me i wasn't as smart as i thought he was about what people wanted, about how the electorate would react. i hope that he proves me as wrong as i was about my thoughts about his capacity to govern. he is unpredictable. he won an election. he won it by turning blue states red. i applaud these actions today. i applaud the willingness to listen to diverse views. it's sending a message that we want to pull people together, forgive past sins, forgive angers. >> you said he proved you wrong. you said you would never vote for trump. would you change what you have said? >> i didn't. >> but are you reconsidering what you said? >> i didn't vote for trump. i will confess to that. but i will tell you, i will work hand in glove with him.

he is president of the united states. he has won an election. that's our obligation now is to work together to do the best for this country. i applaud his reaching out to mitt romney. i applaud his willingness to listen to diverse perspectives. as i said, he proved to me i wasn't as smart as i thought i was. i hope he keeps proving me wrong. >> sounds like you are reaching out as well. let me move on to this. what's the first foreign policy issue you would like to see the trump administration tackle? >> he has to tackle isis. he said he would. there's no question about that. that's a plague that obama unleashed on us when he pulled out of iraq too quickly. you have to deal with isis. right now, in the process of iraq force taking back mosul. we have to figure out a way to deal with that. he has to deal with syria. he has an approach to putin that i didn't -- wouldn't have agreed with. he seems to be willing to work with him. i watched what hillary did with the russian reset. that didn't work so well.

in the end, we will see what he does. syria also has to be dealt with. i think isis is the threat. i still say a prayer every night we don't get hit here at home. he is in charge now. he is getting the security briefings. he understands how great the threat is. he seems to be surrounding himself with people who have the resolve to crush this enemy. that's a good thing. >> let me get your reaction to the controversy over trump pick of senator sessions for attorney general. what do you think about that? >> i think jeff is entirely qualified. people going back 30 years ago -- when i was in the u.s. senate, every day i went up to a senator from west virginia, a former member of the ku klux klan, i said, senator bird, it's an honor to serve with you. this is a man who had a history a long time ago. yet he was revered by liberals. he was respected by folks across the aisle in spite of that past. jeff sessions is getting hit for something he may have said 30 years ago. he has had 20 years of service

in the united states senate. i think he is greatly respected. he is a supporter of the president. the president gets to pick who he thinks will carry out the policies that he wants to have carried out. i think jeff session is qualified. i think folks are looking for a reason to pick a fight. in the end, he will get confirmed and serve the president. the president has the right to pick the person that he wants to pick. >> what's your views on steve bannon who is accused of being a white nationalist? >> there are -- i'm involved in the republican jewish community and the pro-israel community. there are a couple of folks who put out statements. bernie marcus, a member of the republican jewish board. i have no reason to believe that bannon is an anti -- i'm not a big fan of breitbart, a fan of the things that they do to whip up an element of society that doesn't make me very comfortable. all that said and done, i got no

reason to believe bannon is an anti-semite. the president made a choice. i may disagree with breitbart on things, but folks who i respect greatly -- i don't know bannon. folks who i respect said there's nothing to do. the president made his choice. we will move forward with that. >> former senator coleman, thank you for joining us today. >> my pleasure. thank you. it was the end to a broadway play that has made headlines across the country. now vice-president-elect mike pence is responding to that lecture from "hamilton's" aaron burr. chuck todd talks to reince priebus.

the president-elect was up bright and early tweeting a defense of his secretary in command after pence was booed friday night at "hamilton." tammy, what's the latest reaction today? >> reporter: you know, i don't think mike pence anticipated on friday night this was going to turn into such a big deal.

but it did after donald trump tweeted out that he expected an apologize from the "hamilton" crew. mike pence has spoken out about it. he is the history buff. he said how much he enjoyed the show. he praised the show. he said that he was not offended by the remarks. he acknowledged that he realized a lot of americans are scared right now. let's listen to what else he had to say. >> my daughter and i and her cousins really enjoyed the show. "hamilton" is an incredible production. incredibly talented people. it was a real joy to be there. you know, when we arrived we heard a few boos and we heard some cheers. i nudged my kids and reminded them, that's what freedom sounds like. >> reporter: bringing you back out here outside of trump tower, i want to give you a shot of what's going on. yesterday, there were a lot of anti-trump protesters out here. today, there are some pro-trump protesters as well as some

anti-trump protesters. a lot of people out here speaking their mind. one other thing on the presidential news. melania and her son, they will be moving to d.c. full-time after he finishes his school year. she says she does not want to pull her son out of school midway through. back to you. >> some parents might be able to understand that. thank you so much. it may be only the beginning of organized opposition to donald trump and president obama may soon be leading the way. will he also be breaking alongstanding presidential tradition? that's next.

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is donald trump reaching across the aisle? today he praised the senate minority loader chuck schumer. and would like to see things get done. and now we go our correspondent

and also our milwaukee contributor. is there an effort here? >> well, trump knows charles schumer very well and they have worked together for manier years, and there is a logic. remember that shchumer has give henn ima bone saying that there is a p few areas that they could work together, and what you are hearing there is an important step as we are moving to the next stage of the cabinet picks and all of the stuff that trump is doing. trump is about to make his economic choices. he has to start signaling where he is going on the economic issues. and the truth of the matter is that if he is going one way, he is going to divide from the fellow republicans, and in that case, he needs schumer. and so i don't know if it is outreach per se as sort of laying a little bit of the strategy, and it might be a signal as to where he is going the go on some of the economic

picks. >> charlie, strategy or mending the fences? this meeting with mitt romney and could he become the secretary of state? >> well, that is an extraordinary image and not one that many people would have expected, but it would clearly signal that this administration is going to have a much broader circle than a lot of people had expected. it is to present a different face to the world than i think many of the foreign allies would have from the foreign administration, and there are a lot of names, and no reason to think that rudy giuliani would have done, and that is a trumpian thing to do. >> and how would they play with the democrats? >> well, as charlie suggests, those are very different choices. if it is mitt romney, then clearly trump is trying to signal after last week's pretty militant choice, and you know, jeff session, and mike pompeo

over at cia and if he went with romney, then he is trying to ease some of the tension. on the other hand, if he goes with rudy giuliani, a guy who has burned so many bridge, and clearly offended a number of people, then you will see trump on the same train that he has been on, which is that his cabinet picks have not been aiming towards unity or any kind of bringing america together, but they have been steeringer harder to the right even than some of his republican allies. >> and charlie, let's talk about the possibility of a president obama gearing up to join the trump opposition, and i want to quote you something out of the times to saying that dozens of liberal advocacy groups who have receive ad floodf of donation, and new members in the days following trump's election and hillary clinton's defeat, and so, we can say that as the combatty style, is he compared

for years of this? sgl>> well, i don't want to geto far ahead of the story, because so far, president obama has been extraordinarily supportive and gracious with the new president, and he has gone out of his way not to be confrontational and to the fact that we are not two weeks into the transition, we are ahead of ourselves to talk about how much in opposition barack obama is going to be in all of this, because so far, he has, you know, done quite a bit to extend the olive branch, and having said that, clearly f this administration moves at warp speed to undo almost all of the obama legacy, then that sis a different political environment. >> if there is indeed a clash and the current president is involved after office, does the public at large have an appetite for rolling social and political unrest? >> well, the media doesn't have an appetite for it, but one of

the big mistakes of the media is to keep telling people to hate politic, but the fact of the matter is that politics is interesting and frankly, if you do it right, it can engage people. here's the bottom line. if barack obama chooses to be an opposition figure hex can do so in a gracious way, and there is a model for this and it is harry truman in the 1950s, and after dwight eisenhower was elect willed, truman did not beat up on him, but he went about the work of rebuilding the democratic party, and the fact of the matter is that the democratic party has a lot of probl problems. if barack obama wants to step into that role not as aggressive critic of trump at every turn, but as a rebuilder of the party, he could play a very, very valid and potentially definitional role in the next four to six years. >> are it is going to be very interest ting to see how this plays out, and if indeed president obama does take steps towards that after he leaves office. that is something that is alluded to, and we will see how it plays out, and both of you, john nichols of the nation, and

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