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on the spread of fake news, a rampant problem of the election, but many have doubts they can police themselves. >> we can work the give people a voice, but we also need to do our part of stopping the spread of hate and violence and misinformation. >> and the first thanksgiving since the fight for the white house. families try to gather this week for the holiday and some strategies for you to keep the political talk from ruining your thanksgiving dinner and the turkey on the dinner. all right. we want to kick it off with a quick note on how to pulse throughout the next hour. msnbc's betty nguyen is here to break it down for you. >> richard, it is super easy. grab a phone or laptop and it does not matter which one and then log on the pulse.msnbc.c pulse.msnbc.com/america, and you can then participate by selecting your response. understand that this is a ongoing conversation, and you can vote as many times

throughout the show, and you don't have to vote once, but as many times as you want, and we will break down to votes as demographics such as gender and ageage political party and so you log on and you will see the first pulse question of the day right there. richard? >> thank you, betty. and we have three to pulse on. and now, trained on the front door of the national grand golf door that you have been seeing in the last 48 hours or so, and we are told that an announcement may come today in the most high profile round of job interviews in the country, and in advance of any cabinet announcement, we want to let you to tell us what you think. agree or disagree that with the staff i staffing appointments will he carry tout work of the vision he promised voters? and now, also there was ari emanuel, the brother of

democratic rahm emanuel who was seen yesterday. and so, we can see you with the hat on and rudy giuliani was seen entering in the last hour, and familiar name? >> yes, and a shopping spree to get ready for the chilly day, richard. we are trying to stay bundled up, but the former new york mayor is insooide of here at th clubhouse at bedminister, and a couple of notable individuals here and seen some arrivals and the meetings have concluded. you referenced ari emanuel the brother of chicago is's mayor, and zeke emanuel the physician and health public policy expert, and now the kansas secretary of state kris kobach. and another swun billionaire investor will burr ross. i was able to ask the

president-elect if he was considering will burr ross for a position specifically the xhrs department, and president-elect trump said that yes, he was, and other sources were said to pay some attention to will burr ross, and this is a sense of the importance of that potential pick. perhaps that could be a decision made and perhaps there could be an announcement made related to that and perhaps talking about jim mattis who is a former marine general and secretary of defense possibly, and there is also the former new york mayor rudy giuliani as secretary of state, and also others here for that, and beyond a job search, there are ideas being floated around with disciplines from the economy and the military to come with ideas that they believe

could come into the new administration, and part of it is to seek out the policy ideas and expand iing the conversatio and some of it is of course what we think are these very high profile job interviews that we are waiting to see if there are any further developments today, richard. >> interviews and potential announcements could possibly be happening there can kelly o'connell there in front of the purported door, and we will get back to you. the handle of appointments by president-elect trump are already receiving scrutiny including jeff sessions for attorney general. he lost out on a judgeship in 2006 because of some racist statements. and some are not ready to give a pass to the colleague when it comes to a confirmation hearing in the senate. >> he is going to be needing a thorough vetting, and many of the statements, and they are old, but they are troubling, and

the idea that jeff sessions is just because he is a senator he should get through without a series of very tough questions, and particularly given the early things, no way. there are a lot of questions that have to be asked. one that relates to the old statements, what does he intend to do with the civil rights division? i don't want to support him unless i am convinced that we have a strong civil rights division in the justice department. >> all right. with us now, jeanne who is a pollster and political science professor at iona college, and also harry and also, we have a member of the mitt romney presidential campaign. and thank you, all three for joining us. secretary mike pence defending jeff sessions as the attorney general picked today, and let's listen to what he said. >> i am confident in the course of the confirmation hearings that his record and in the

totality is going to be coming out. this is a man who prosecuted the kkk in his own home state, and he demonstrated personal courage, and you will be seeing an outpouring of support from diverse voices including the african-american community in his home state and across the country, and i am confident that jeff sessions is going to be the next tone general of the united states. >> and genie, the southern poverty group saying that he is associated with three groups that are deeply racist, and some say, that is 1986, because that is 30 year ago and how is that going to be playing out in the confirmation hearings? >> i think potential tough, because jeff sessions has worked long and hard to establish a relationship in the senate, and of course, i think that is going to be helping to carry him through for the end of the day, but even if he gets through which i think that the votes are there to get him through, i t think that he could have a tough time as attorney general given some of the past statements, and that is right they are 30 years old, but they are highly charge

and highly racially divisive statement, and it is a curious pick on donald trump's part to put jeff sessions in for that reason. yes sh, he was loyal to donald trump, an incredibly loyal, but he is also being named attorney general, and it is going to be raising some challenges for jeff sessions if he does assume the office. >> and to that point of the loyal i, the hari, if we look at who walked through the door, will burr ross, one of the few fortune 500 leaders and billionaires and there from the begining for donald trump, and proving loyalty and could prove to be a secretary of commerce for him, and what does that mean if a wilburr ross appointment? >> well, if he is going to be draining the swamp, what we have seen is that he has filled the administration with lobbyists, around corporate billionaires

and people who are rigging the system, and he wanted to drain the swamp, but he is filling it with anacondas. >> and wilbur ross, he is not anti-china if we were to be looking at the words by donald trump looking at the election, and wilbur ross does not use those word whence he discusses the china and u.s. relations, because it is complex here in the picks that could potentially fill the cabinet. >> well, the president-elect deserves credit to reach out beyond the inner circle, and somebody like wilbur ross, and governor romney who clearly disagreed with him, and even michelle rhee who is scheduled to come out to the golf course, and others. he reached out to chuck schumer in a tweet. so it is, and it is encouraging to see him reach e beyond the inner circle at this point.

we are very early in the transition, and loft criticism of the movements of this transition being slow, and well, that is not stacking up to other transition, and president obama, and george bush and they named the very senior in december, so we are on a good track right here. >> and reflect on it, ryan, because you brought up the ex-boss, talking about mitt romney a governor of massachusetts and he is a clear critic of donald trump in the election, and michelle rhee is a fire brand and though a democrat when it comes to the education. very interesting mix. do you think that your boss might get it? >> i don't know. i am not privy to the conversations and i have not spoken to governor romney since the meeting, but i think that it is encouraging that he is willing to reach out to someone like mitt romney and even if he does not have him in the administration, he is trying to reach out the mend the fence, and the inner circles of those who delivered the presidency to him, and i am encouraged that he met with governor romney even if it does not result in a cabnet appointment. >> and janine, and governor

romney, and michelle rhee as a potential secretary of education, and some these, we have heard the team of rivals and the team of the vaur ti certainly, and what does that mean as he tries to get them through, and not only the senate, but supporters in his ecosystem of power. >> and i think that both michelle rhee and mitt romney would be brilliant choices if they were chosen and it is an enormo enormous diversity to the cabinet, and it is very early, and as you mentioned not latet in the game to make these appointments and right on track, but i think that it would add diversity in terms of the ideology of the trump administration, and the idea that you need a diverse voices, and a set of diverse voices in the cabinet and those two would add that, and with mitt romney in particular, governor romney would give a face to the trump administration worldwide to be welcomed and calm some of the frayed nerves out there and not

at home, but abroad as people have not had a chance to see donald trump or president-elect donald trump in a public setting in a public official office. this is going to give them some kind of a peace with mitt romney and his prowess out there and a brilliant p.r. choice, and smart on the president e's part to choose him. >> and if anything, it is consoling at least at this moment how real or unreal all of these individuals and names are as they are entering through the door that we have been watching for the last two days, and hari, as an example of thax one to more intriguing names stopping by is hollywood power broker aria emanuel, and not personal for me, but i have been watching the reruns of him on "entourage" and he is the super agent characteri characterized in "entourage" and

perhaps more interesting he is the brother of democrat rahm emanue emanuel, and what do you make of all of these different charac r characters and what they represent? >> well, if ari emanuel is the member of entourage then rudy giuliani is the turtle. there is a lot of the p.r. moves going on and that is what this is really about, ad i would be surprise odd to see michelle rhee appointed, because she is a strong supporter of the common core to drive against donald trump's base. but, the idea that these sort of the p.r. moves would outweigh some of the other appointments in very important rule, and general flynn as national security adviser where he has said incendiary things about muslims that is main sources of intelligence to keep the country safe is very, very troubling, and beyond that, general flynn

is also we have found out this week a lobbyist for foreign governments, and you cannot distract from the substantive problems of this transition, and the people they are looking at, and both in terms of the conflict of interests and the ability to bring about real change would sort of shiny balls. >> all right. thank you all so much. still time for you the make your voice heard on the first pulse question. agree or disagree to this, president-elect trump will carry tout vision that he promised the voters. l logon to pulse.msnbc.com/america and vote disagree or agree. and we will look at the choices, and what they tell us about the global priorities.

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yet to take shape on the world stage, but the team took a hard-line yesterday. mike pence on meet the press declined to confirm if they would rule out waterboarding. >> president-elect donald trump does not believe that we should tell the enemy the strategies. >> and the enemy knows that waterboarding is not something that the u.s. does, and is that going to be res a s.e.c.ed by to a administration. >> i think that president-elect made his views clear about that during the course of the campaign. >> and trump said repeatedly in the campaign he would use har harsher measures and on the issue of whether he would include a muslim registry, reince priebus gave mixed messages today. take a listen. >> can you unequivocally rule out registries for muslims? is >> look, i won't rule out

anything, but we won't have a registry based on a religion. but what i think that we are trying to do is to say that there are some people, and certainly not all people, chuck, but some people that are radical radicalized and there are some people who have to be prevented from coming into the country. >> and joining me no su steve clemens, msnbc contributor and washington editor at large for the atlantic, and steve, as you well know because you were there, and just in halifax where an international security conference is being held. what is the mood there on the development of the election and what happened? >> i think it is a mixed mood. many people sort of feel like it is a sort of the post-trauma for some, and others are heartened by some of the things that they have been seeing from trump tower in new york, and some of the choices are astonishing, and people like john mccain are laying down the markers on this torture and the waterboarding

stu stuff, and he said that there is established law right now, and he is going to be there right in donald trump's face on the torture question. so it is a mixed picture, but certain certainly, it was the talk of the town. we had a number of u.s. senators here, both republican and democrat and including tim kaine up here to discuss these issues. >> and you did speak with john mccain, and we stay on that topic of waterboarding, he was very clear that he was against it, and yet on the flipside and when we look at the retired army general mike flynn, trump ice choice for the nsa, he has said that he would be open to bri bringing back waterboarding, and when you are look at the legal boundaries and the pack lash of the use of this tactic here, is this an area that trump should avoid, and sounds like reince priebus is also having to answer some questions about this. >> is and before john mckhan went up on the stage saying that we will not torture, he talked to a number of us outside in the foyer, and practically exploded when it came up, and he said,

this is established law that the army field manual is the law, and it is the prevailing law, and in that waterboarding is illegal. it is banned. it is that law that must govern everyone. so i asked himbout people like senator tom cotton and others and mccain was clear that this is not an optional issue that you can turn a binary switch and reinterpret what is established law. it has to be overturned by law. and that is something that frankly i had not heard as forcibly from john mccain and other u.s. senor or thes until yesterday. >> and al along the lines of flynn, and staying on that very topic here, steve, he has made some comments about the muslims and seen as harsh by critics and saying, quote, fear of them is rational, and he is calling the religion of islam quote, unquote a cancer. and reince priebus answering to those statements, and this is is what he said earlier and then i will get your thoughts. >> phrasing can be done differently, but clearly there

are some aspect s of that faith that are problematic, and we know them and we have seen it. but it is certainly not a blanket for all people of that faith, but mike flynn is one of the most highly respected intelligence officers in america. >> and what sot of reaction has come from this potentiality and the nomination of flynn? >> i think it is creating confusi confusion. i think it is creating a complexity for those people who want to try to find a way to work with the pragmatic side of donald trump of the team, and versus those who see the ip sind jere racist comments as beyond the pale, and thus making it impossible to work. so you have a schizophrenic situation, and we had senator jeanne shaheen here, and john cain, and john ba rosso and others who would all take exception to mike flynn's framing which is really incredibly racist framing that he tweeted about islam and

muslims. and i this they none of them subscribe to that and i think that it is creating a real problem out there both in journalism, and sort of the policy wonk land in how they see and talk about donald trump simultaneously talking about people of the stature of general jim mattis or mitt romney joining a team where some of the racist things that he has said is part of that team. so it is confusion, and a little bit of the frustration, because they don't know what the real markings, and the framing of the trump administration is going to be. >> and your docket has been full here, steve, talking about the international security and issue issues and i want to finish with this, the current mnsa chief mike rogers in the headlines. >> i interviewed him this morning. >> and defense secretary ash carter who are familiar with the topi topic, and also national intelligence director james clapper, ask obama remove rogers

from the perceived failures of fight i fighting isis, and now, you are mentioning that you did have the opportunity to speak to him. what did you learn? what is at the core of this? >> well, i asked him specif specifically about the threat of the sort of the sloppiness and the lack of safeguards with some of the most delicate divisions within the nsa and his response to me, w look, these are bad guys, and we caught them. and people like richard ames who were in place for 22 years, and so there is a vigilance and you have a number of thing, and he talked about the culture inside of the nsa and the people who were there, and he had defended what they had done and catching those people, and he mentioned something interesting because james clap ser not on the same page as ash carter. because clapper wants to see the cyber command sfrated from the directorship of the national

security agency, and mike rogers is dual-hatted and doing both the ooh fighting of cyber, and the data and the intelligence che collection of the nsa and interesting that mike rogers said that down the path, he actually agreed that they should be separated, but he would not make that call about the near term, and that the patterns were there in places. i asked him, and i said, you know, i joked about it, but i said that i hear that you were in new york thursday and how the play "hamilton" was and he knew what i was asking about, and he sidestepped that and deferred to neating with donald trump. he did say that i am responsible for my own action, and he left it there. >> and little hat-tip and a wink and nod from you steve clemons as you were interviewing him. as always, a real pleasure and thank you for coming by. >> yes, thank you, are richard. >> and we see in bedminister, rudy giuliani, the former mayor of new york to go in to meet donald trump and we have a had a

full slate of individuals to come to visit with donald trump, and a little earlier we saw chris kovak who snuck in there and now it is rudy giuliani in this 25 minutes after the hour, and it and it is a very busy list of individuals, and sort of the who's who at the top of it and talking about it towards the top of the hour of who might be the actual picks based on the 10, 20, 30, 40 minute sitdowns with donald trumpment and this is a common picture of him coming to the door to shake hand, and kelly o'donnell has been there reaching out to him, and as she is standing some 20 or 30 feet away and is that going to be your pick? and rudy joule ygiuliani and le what they say. >> do you have a comment on the situation of san antonio, texas, and apparently a police off se was shot there. >> terrible. terrible. >> what has to happen? >> all right. it looks like the question from

the reare porter there to donald trump and any reaction to the police officer that was killed in texas outside of what appears to be a station there, and we have been watching that story, and donald trump not answering and just giving a thumb's up and moving on to the the business at hand, and those are live pictures that we have for you coming out of san antonio, texas, based on what happened earlier. we will continue to watch that. and rudy giuliani discussed in the space of the secretary of state, and of course w, we will pop in throughout the next hour or so. and now, the first pulse question of the day that we have been asking, agree or disagree, president-elect trump will carry out the vision that he promised voters and back to betty nguyen about how you have been voting and answering the question. >> we are watching and it is interesting, because bear in mind you can vote on the comp e computer or phone. and we are break it down that 86% disagree that he is going to be continuing with the vision that he promised the voters and 14% agree.

but if you are breaking it down by political par i, the and this is interest, because it had been flu fluctuating on the republican side, and though the democrats are steady, and 93% of the democrats disagree he is going to continue with the vision, and 86% disagree, and republicans, 54%, and now 59%, as you can see it is constantly moving do agree that the president-elect are continue with the vision that he promised the voters. and now, when you are break it down by age, 18 to 24 years, they agree that he will. so i guess that they are a little bit more optimistic that he is going to continue along the path, but getting to the older ages here, 25 to 34, about 63% disagree, and then 35 to 54, 89%. but down here at 55-plus, 89% disagree. is a scorecard and where we are right now with this. 17%, only 17% agree that he will continue, and 83% disagree.

richard. >> all right. it is interesting to see the breakdown of the age, and the younger meant that you were a little bit more open, and hopeful potentially. betty, thank you. that is our first question here on "pulse of america oochlt" appreciate that. >> and today, president obama is meeting with president pew thetin in the annual asia pacific summit. we will get a live report from lima, peru. company, companionship, food... we all need those things. when we get in that spot in life, it's kind of nice to have 'em there. (avo) through the subaru share the love event, we've helped deliver over one point four million meals to those in need. get a new subaru, and we'll donate two hundred and fifty dollars more. ♪put a little love in your heart.♪

breaking news here at msnbc, that we are following out of san antonio, texas. a police aofficer has been shot and killed in san antonio, and live pictures there on the left-hand side of the scene, and police are saying that the officer that was killed was sitting in the patrol car outside of police headquarters there, and then somebody walked up to the driver's side window and opened fire. the san antonio police chief says that a search continues for that gunman, and stay with us as

we continue to follow that story. and again, a gunman on the loose, and we will follow that on msnbc right here for you. president obama is going to be holding a news conference this evening as he is going to wrap up the last leg of the three-nation foreign tour. he spoke to leaders at the annual asian-pacific economic summit in lima, peru, and particularly on trade, and under president trump. and he also met with president putin on issues of syria and ukraine. and donald trump is calling much of the conversation, and you have had, and the president has had to certainly address that. ron? >> indeed he has. first on the obama/putin meeting the main topic was syria and the need to try to find some resolution to find a cease-fire for the remaining time that president obama has in office and the foreign ministers will continue that discussion going forward, but you are right, most of it has been about donald trump and what the future of the american foreign policy is going

to be many this part of the world. the president has been trying to reassure the leaders not the make quick judgments or to anticipate the worse. he is meeting with the prime minister of australia, and key ally of america in this part of the world, and battle oeye sus as well, and again, striking a reassuring tone there about the transfer of power, and this is what mr. obama said about that meeting. >> not only do i wish the prime minister luck as he moves forward, but i have assured him that we will do everything that we can to have a strong handoff, and continue ity in the new administration to work together to promote prosperity and security for our people. >> the president's press c conference is coming up in a a couple of hours here, and he is no doubt going to be asked about the top level appointments that donald trump has made, and how long does he have a peaceful

balance of concern of what the president-elect is doing, and need for the smooth transition. richard? >> and ron, we will have that news conference right here on msnbc when it does happen. there lye for us in lima, peru, nbc's ron allen traveling with the president. thank you. and up next, you may have seen it, fake news in the facebook page, and the role it may have played, and what mark zuckerberg plans the do with it. >> and do you trust social media to police "fake news"? you can have your opinion made at.msnbc.co at.msnbc.com/america. you're here to buy a car.

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families can ask around the table this year, what is it that you learned this year that changed you? >> more common than not. >> and we have to show grace, and that is for all of us. >> the morning joe thanksgiving challenge. >> let's surprise america. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. there's so much active misinformation and it is packaged very well and looks the

same when you see it on the facebook page or the turn on the television. if everything seems to be the same and no the distinctions are made, then we won't know what to protect. we won't know what to fight for. >> and president obama there expressing the concern-over the fake news in the wake of donald trump's upset news in the e l election, and many are blaming social media giants like facebook for helping to spread misinformation in final months of the campaign, and fake election stories on facebook outperformed the top stories on 19 news outlets combined according to buzzfeed. and ceo mark zuckerberg initially dismiss iing the criticism, but he has since changed his mind announcing in a post yesterday that facebook would take measures to better detect and disrupt fake news. so this sunday, doou trust social media to police fake news

on its own? before we get to the responses, here is our guest to talk about how facebook is fighting this problem. >> reporter: a mid a flurry of criticism, mark zuckerberg owning up to fake news on facebook. >> we need to give people a voice, but we can do our part to stop the spread of hate and misinformation. >> reporter: and some that may have influenced the presidential race. he changed his tone in the aftermath of the election. >> the idea that in a fake news on facebook of which it is a very small amount of the contnt influenced the election in any way is a crazy idea. >> reporter: now the 32-year-old founder and ceo is changing the tone about the issue, writing in a new post, we have been working on this problem for a long time, and we take this responsibility seriously. in unusual move, he detailed facebook's new plan to crack

down on the misinformation online, and they will improve the misinformation detection, and make flagging it easier and use the third-party fact-checking, and label potential stories as false. they also faked fake web news sites from buy ing ing advertis. this is after buzzfeed found that face news generated more likes and comments than traditional news outlets in the final three months of the presidential race, but social media experts say that the new strategy of facebook may not be enough. >> ultimately, we have to move past the band-aid solutions to a greater reinvisioning of what facebook is. >> reporter: zuckerberg says that not all of the fixes are going to be working, but he is committed to get it right. >> and now, joining is the author of "chaos monkeys" and

arthur the antonio garcia martinez. and so, what do you think that mark zuckerberg said that would make it more reliable? >> le with, if you want to go to facebook, you can download the po post, and that post is going to be used to what posts are distributed on the platform. one thing that is a departure of facebook's policy is looking at the sort of the authoritative ness of the source, and if it is comes from a respected source like new york times ranked above a random blog. and this is novel to the fake news, but this is a hard problem, but it is a solvable problem. when i was at facebook, we policed the ads and you just get the nonquality stuff off. >> and how did you detect and

police them? what is the tactic? >>le with, you can enlist the user base as the workforce, and again, believe it or not, when you x out the posts or the ads, it will be used by machine learning code to trace what is bad content, and small human element that gets generate and that gets rid of it, and that is it. >> and artificial intelligence and you brought up machine learning. >> yes, and always a huemon in the loop, and detecting things like sarcasm and the like is still difficult. >> and how hard? does he pull the switch tomorrow, and then we can have a potential grading system? >> i think that he, and i mean, this the exists, and you can do that, and i expect he is moring a a gres sif about it and speed up the time from when you download a post and when it is removed. >> and this question, is this a band-aid or not, and one to ten in terms of efficacy, and what would you say in terms of what zuckerberg has said and ten

being good, and one being, eh? >> well, it is essential and more than a band-aid, and the previous commenter was more than a band-aid, because it is a closer solution. and what they were saying is that facebook needs to embrace the role as a media company, and to be honest, zuckerburg does not see himself as that and he has an allergic reaction to the thought of having a responsibility to the readers in the same way that "the new york times" does or your station d s does, and that is not the responsibility that he wants. he want ts to be a platform and not a publisher. >> and now, this is a muscle that facebook a has to develop over time and this is the expectation it appears at this time. than you, antonio garcia martinez for your expertise. >> thank you. >> and so we are asking, do you trust the social media to police fake news. we go to the breakdown, betty?

>> well, a whole lot of not so much trust out there, and look at, this 93% disagree that social media will police fake news. that is the snapt shot right there, and 6% agree they will and what is the gender breakdown on this, and you can see that pretty much, and pretty much everyone disagree, and you are seeing that men and women are fluctuating a little bit, and it is ranging around the strongly disagree mark, and then when you looking at the education, wow. a lot of the red on the board. and high school, 96% disagree, and associates, 92%, and the bachelors and the masters 97%. and so if you are lookingt the scoreboard, 7% disagree they will be policing the fake news, and 93% pretty much disagree, richard. >> and betty, it is a common question that we get conferences, how do you know? well w we have to be better consumers as well.

betty nguyen, wow. lopsided numbers there. >> and up next, spending thanksgiving with your family was not so stressful enough as it normally s and that year's presidential election is stirring tensions as many are getting ready to gather around the table, and that is the third pulse question of the day. are you worried that political talk will ruin your holiday and make that turkey a little less tasty? logon to pulse.msnbc.com/america to participate. what should we do? ...tailored to you. wait it out. equipped with apple carplay compatibility. ♪ now during season's best, get this low mileage lease on this cadillac xt5 from around $429 per month, or purchase with 0% apr financing.

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table, and so we are asking you in the last pulse question of the day, are you concerned that this political talk is going to ruin your ta? is to answer go to to give us g to talk about on the topic is our jeff gardere, clinical psychologist. what should family do to 1/2 gate through this negativity that could come up here, jeff? >> one of the most important things is the person who's the host of that dinner has to set the tone. you know, be able to give some ground rules that people have to be respectful to one another, number one. and, two, they have to learn to listen to one another. secondly, have an exit strategy. before you go in, know you'll have a designated person who can change the subject if it gets dicey. >> like a buzzer or a secret word? >> or a secret word like to the kitchen, batman. that'll work. the other thing is i believe in how we use our language and how

you make your point prefacing your point by being respectful, by certainly not making any value judgments. i think we'll get a lot more positive response from the person you're talking to. >> language is the l in help on the screen for you. preparation is the final one. >> before you go, get into the mind-set you're not going in to war. you're going in to enjoy a thanksgiving dinner. to learn something about yourself from the people you're talking to, the political points you'll learn. but this is the opportunity to be able to have fun and enjoy an exciting conversation. >> make fun of the stuff too. that's what we always try to do. >> all the time. >> body language. >> really important because if you go in with your arms crossed and you're like, okay, now you change my mind, that's not going to work. versus having more open body language and saying, here's my point, i hear your point, rhett's see where we can agree to disagree or find some

symmetry in the things we're saying. >> maybe very emotional and passionate. the family members might get closer. >> that's what thanksgiving should be about. listen, american psychological association, richard, said 52% of the people were really upset by this election. people aren't talking to one another. we know that. reuters poll said that. so this thanksgiving dinner should .the one we dread. it should be the one we anticipate because we can bring families together and start healing again and the country needs to heal. >> i'm going to skype jeff into my dinner. >> love to be there. >> jeff gardere, thank you so much for that. >> thank you. >> still time to make your voice heard on our third poll question. are you worried political talk will ruin your holiday? simulation initiated. ♪

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all right. pulse of america. are yor worried political talk

will ruin your holiday? betty nguyen has all the numbers for us. >> thanksgiving with political talk. it's coming down the middle. 53% agree it will ruin the holiday. 48% disagree. but when you look at the jernd, this is where it gets interesting. check this out. 18 to 24 year of age, they kind of agree it's going to ruin it. but look at this 100%, 25 to 34-year-olds. >> they're caucusing. >> they're like forget about it. 35 to 54-year-olds, only 36% disagree that it will ruin it. and 55-plus, 64% agree it's going to ruin the holiday. so hopefully it won't. but judging by this, some people are already ready far fight. >> it's a 50/50. i think they need to eat and drink more and forget all about it. i hope you have a good thanksgiving and it's not arduous for you. the clubhouse of donald trump's golf course. that's been a busy door.

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breaking news at the top of the hour on msnbc. in new york city at msnbc world headquarters, going to central texas for you. a police officer has been shot and killed in downtown san antonio. police saying the officer was sitting in his patrol car outside police headquarters and then someone walked up to the driver's side window and opened fire. woa sixth live on the scene. zack, what do we know? >> reporter: well, richard, it's a tragic day for the san antonio police department. officers have released a description of the susp