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the key point is it happened off the coast of fukushima where the nuclear power plant was located in 2011. it happened at 6:00 in the morning and felt in tokyo. there is a tsunami warning. people are being asked to evacuate to higher ground. it's the fukushima nuclear plant that everyone is looking at. all eyes on the coastline. steve? >> thank you for that. we will have much more as we learn about that situation. that's going to do it for this hour. mtpdale we andrea mitchell in for chuck starts now. >> if it's monday, we are about to get our first substantial comments from the president-elect. putting a trump-produced video. no access for reporters. pulling back the curtain on trump inc. >> an international business person who has done incredibly
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well in life. >> team trump facing scrutiny over the president-elect's possible business conflicts of interest. plus, stocking the cabinet. we will talk to of the men being considered for secretary of state. why capitol hill may be busierer than this has been in a long time. this is mtpdaley and it starts right now. good evening. welcome to "mtp daily" trump's strauling business ties are under intense scrutiny under a wild reality style backdrop of twitter feuds and palace intrigue into possible cabinet picks. the business enters cover the globe from canada to china and was once a talking point has the potential to be a governing and ethics nightmare. trump is facing calls from watch dog groups to liquidate his
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holdings in a blind trust. there are reports the trump organization reached out to diplomats, but the virtues of having visiting leaders staying at the new hotel in washington. an eyebrow raising meeting he had last week from india revealed only by india's media and not by the u.s. press. there is a report by argentina that trump brought up a stalled business project in a call with that country's president. the report that his spokes person is denying. he is blurring the line between his business interest and diplomacy after his daughter ivanka and his son in law between trump and the prime minister last week. trump's top advisers and his vice president and the chief of staff hitting the sunday talk show circuit attempting to quell concerns about possible conflicts of interest. >> the recent interview after
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the election, the president-elect summed up the view of the interest in his business life with two words. he said who cares? i can assure the public they will have the proper separation from their business enterprise. he is going to lead america with 110% of his focus. >> setting up a legal system to shield himself from any and all conflicts. that's what we are doing and people are going to see. in the coming days and weeks, the american people will see that. >> this afternoon things got testy between adviser kellyanne conway and the reporter at the "new york times" over this issue. >> he is not breaking any laws. he has lawyers and advisers who tell him what he must do and can't do. >> it's not like -- did you ask people how long you are going to play golf and did the transition. are you suggesting he is doing something illegal.
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>> i already said he is not. the presumption is that he is. if you operate from a presumption of negativity and illegality, it's going to be a tougher way to answer the question. >> all this is happening to backdrop on meetings and rumors about trump's picks for top posts. let's dive in with katie who has the latest on the trump transition and chief legal correspondent who is following twists and turns around potential conflicts of interest. what is the latest we have seen on secretary of state rudy giuliani and one day is up and we have new reporting from the team. >> hans nichols, the colleague is reporting that rudy giuliani is now in the ruining for dni. rudy giuliani has been in the running for a few things. one of them secretary of state and one attorney general. we have been told by people in
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the transition. and he was so loyal to donald trump during the campaign. perhaps even his most loyal adviser and most loyal surrogate and defender of donald trump in the harder times. that being said, he was quite vocal about his interest in secretary of state. we are told that donald trump chafed a little bit at that and didn't like how public rudy giuliani was in regards to the interest in that role. we are looking at the video. they are meeting over the weekend. while rudy giuliani was leaving and they said mr. trump, what are you considering mr. giuliani for? the reporters said secretary of state? he said among other things. he made a point to say among other things. it sounds like he will get a role in the cabinet. it's unclear what role that will actually be. the other big names that came out over the weekend, one was
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james mattis for secretary of defense. a background on him. he is somebody who is said to be a hawk. he said in the past that it's enjoyable at times to kill some people. to kill enemies at war. remember donald trump has been quite vocal about how he thinks our generals currently are n man enough. he often cited general pershing or patton as generals who would be too outspoken. he expressed his affinity for a general who is more outspoken and he would be along those lines. scott brown talking about how he wants the role of va and heading up the va, he said he put in the application and hopes donald trump is interested in it. that's what he told reporters today. rick perry, a lot of rumors and what role could he be? he did not speak with reporters
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today in trump tower, but he did take a picture with the naked cowboy who was also there. >> you can't make it up. >> no. >> let's talk about the law and conflicts of interest. this is unprecedented. new territory. the "wall street journal" called for him to liquidate assets because it is so difficult to be above reapproach. withholdings everywhere and family running the business, there is no such thing as a blind trust. it's not blind. >> take trump tower, of the properties everyone knows. wrap in in telefain and card cord. it is trump tower, and if you put it in a blind trust. he know what is the property is. he would know if the activity affects it. that's why the only real thing you can do is try to sell or divulge out of assets that might present conflicts, particularly
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around the globe where you are going to end up in mixed situations. anyone who has done business in china knows you are doing business to some degree with the chinese government and banks that is not as clear of a distinction that we might see in capitalist countries. the other piece to be fair to the trump folks, it's not donald trump's fault that congress passed laws that basically exempt the president from the rules on business interest that affect most other federal employees. he didn't write the laws and we are in a situation that we may need to clean it up. the country, the congress or the president if he wants to take the lead. that's your opening introduction showed he is doing the opposite and blurs the lines according to reports. i would answer this question on this point. you could have ethics lawyers at the white house or in the office of legal council. the justice department draw up rules to deal with this so you
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avoid the conflicts. they are not doing that thus far. that's not what we are hearing. >> thank you so much. let's bring in tonight's panel. april ryan is correspondent with the radio urban networks and mothers and race in black and white. perry bacon is the senior political reporter. i want to talk about the conflicts of interest and i have to pick up on hans nichols reporting. you know the intelligence community. you were chief of staff for dan quayle when he was vice president. if rudy giuliani has too many conflicts to be confirmed for secretary of state, the dni has been general clapper, people who have been outside of the political world and never has a partisan involved in the campaign been involved in being in charge of all of our 17 intelligence agencies. it would be astounding, really.
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>> unusual. i was struck by that too. i think that was a very interesting report and it looks as if rudy giuliani is no longer the leading candidate. he could have anything he wants. i notice about all the talk of loyalty is so rewarded people don't get everything they want. that's in a way to donald trump's credit if he can say who can help me do the job rather than who campaigned the hardest for me. i am struck that she is being steered away from the notion that he is likely to be secretary of state. >> could it be mitt romney? >> i don't think he would go to a meeting unless it was worth discussing. donald trump realizes it would help him a lot. it shows a willingness to look beyond the campaign and think about governing. barack obama famously made who has his secretary of state. hillary clinton.
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almost a century ago. a president who has not gone down in history in a great way, but it's an impressive one. very respected statesman who was the republican candidate four years before. i think romney is there and others i think last night has been reported that trump met with general john kelly, the retired head of southern command. very diplomatic job and a huge amount to do. he would be a good candidate and have you as well. he seems to be having an open minded look and he hasn't met any of these and trying to see how they would fit in. >> you were never a trumper yourself. you come to this.
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he put all the his assets into treasury bills which were famously non-performing as interest rates were so low. he lost money on being president of the united states. they are so plain vanilla. donald trump has a different take. >> you have to look at barack obama. when he came into washington and when he came into politics, he was not a millionaire businessman. >> he had money from book sales. >> he was a lawyer. book sales are great, but not the equivalent of donald trump. the closest equivalent we have is george w. bush. before he became governor, he divested from a lot of his baseball team. he put his stocks in a blind trust. people know going in that when
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you become president of the united states, it's not about making money. it's about ruling, governing and trying to help people. it's not about the money. >> he is taking a dollar a year. it begs the question about how donald trump will carry on as president and his family will run the business. you are thinking about hillary clinton and what he said about her on the campaign trail. he has to walk the line to make sure there is no conflict of interest because people are watching and remembering what he said on the campaign trail calling hillary clinton cooked hillary. >> on bill's point, four of the first five picks have been people on the campaign and flynn and reince priebus and people who are loyalists. if he chooses not to pick giuliani and picks bob corker or
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mitt romney, he is evaluating on merits and not loyalty. that would be a switch if he chose a rival or not a big supporter. >> what about diversity and the hard line national security team. that's the first three or four. general flynn has been the pro putin and someone thinks we should work and they said putin was a national security threat. working that out within the administration would be interesting and a team of rival
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situations. we don't know if she is up for something. scott brown is there and the former senator who is angling for the veterans affairs. the school superintendent. >> bob johnson, the founder of bet over the weekend as well. >> bob johnson really believes that donald trump really wants to help. some of the awards he was saying and he wanted to look at issues of urban america, but at the same time when you have someone like jeff sessions pegged for the u.s. attorney general and already an issue with the civil rights backlog in the education, it makes you wonder.
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in just this last couple of weeks, they decided to change who was on that case. there was a big piece of if they should charge the police officers. she is concerned with the out come. they have a certain amount of time to deal with the issues before the next administration. >> stay with us. we'll be right back to talk more about all of this and coming up, democrats are looking for leadership roles to discuss what went wrong and how to regroup. michigan voter who is supported obama explained why they chose trump. debbie dingle of michigan discusses how democrats can win them back. stay tuned.
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the white house home after the inaugurati inauguration. here's what they told kelly o'donnell. >> mrs. trump and barron, will they move to the white house? >> very soon. >> when they finish school. 10-year-old barron will finish the school year at his manhattan private school. when does he move to d.c.? he will be the youngest boy to live in the white house since jfk jr. and he is the same age asth as malia obama when her father moved to the white house. at the united states postal service, we deliver more online purchases to homes than anyone else in the country. and more hippopotamuses, too.
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they say you shouldn't but your grand kids? how about front row seats to the best show in town. and that is why you invest. the best returns aren't just measured in dollars. >> democrats searching for the message. chuck todd spoke to supporter who is help elect donald trump last time around. working class voters in michigan. >> trump and clinton, honesty was a big thing for you. >> honesty is a big thing for
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me. i think donald is a little brash and wrong at some times, but i can accept that because he is in my face and i believe that to be honesty as opposed to somebody shaking my hand and smiling in my face and then forget about that guy. >> i am joined by debbie dingle who represents the voters when knows them well. thank you very much for being with us. >> what went wrong? what was the failure of messaging to those voter by the clinton campaign? >> so 50 of all, i don't represent comb county. i represent the same kind of voters that you saw. the working men and women who just think that too many people have forgotten about them. we have forgotten that the purchasing power is less than it used to be. the prescription drugs have been going up and an issue that a lot of people are ignoring, but is very real in the midwest.
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people's pensions and they put it in for a time. they have a very significant issue and people are trying to cut pension 60 to 70%. they didn't translate what was happening to them and they wanted to vote for somebody they thought would care about them. >> hillary clinton was surprised by the upset with bernie sanders in that primary in michigan. she should have been on guard that that message was not carrying. they were saying president obama bailed out the auto industry. why wasn't it? >> it did translate down to everyday people. there is a frustration and anger that people don't understand. everything is a frustrating experience from if you turned 65 and you are on medicare, you can spend 14 hours trying to fight with your experience company as to who is a primary payer.
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the people don't understand that the cost of medicine and food keeps going up. they didn't translate the saving of the auto industry down to how their life was better. the fact is their job was saved. they kept hearing about trade deals and the jobs were being shipped overseas. they didn't see democrats fighting for them on trade deals. >> as the democratic party looks for a new leader, one of your colleagues has put his hat in the ring for the next democratic chair. first of all, what do you think about keith ellison leading the party? >> keith ellison is a friend of mine and it's a long way to february. we have to do deep soul searching about what went wrong and how we are going to be a party that is inclusive and keep being a voice for those of us who need a voice. we have the coast and the midwest. how can we protect everybody who
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needs to be protected and we are delivering for everybody. we need to have the real conversations. we need to have it with inside the house caucus and we need to figure out what the agenda is going to be. then when we have those conversations, who is the right person to lead the dnc. >> i top the get your reaction from tim ryan. how many seats do we have to make a change. we need to develop the party that is in denial of what happened last tuesday. >> do you agree with that? >> i don't agree with that. i agree we have to sound the fire alarm. i said for two years, i said it to you.
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michigan was competitive. the media missed it as much as anybody else did too. >> did we. >> i said it to you before the primary and the general. here's the reality. we are very desperate as a party. i'm focused on getting seats back. it's a bunch of factors from gerrymandering to not understanding working women and the issues that matter to them. you have an active black caucus and you can't backdoor into being a leader into many desperate voices. i actually happen to agree with president obama who talked about the fact that nancy pelosi does understand the desperate voices. she has to pull us together. i do believe that we have got to make changes and we have got to take long hard looks inside the caucus. it can't backdoor into leadership and you have to have somebody who can lead us and bring us together.
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it's not i'm okay and you are not. i'm okay and you are okay. we are stronger as a we and need somebody who can lead us as a we. >> it thank you for being with us. as donald trump interviews candidates, i will talk to one of the men in the running and now expects to be overseeing the confirmation hearings. stay tuned. when you have type 2 diabetes, there's a moment of truth. and now with victoza® a better moment of proof. victoza lowers my a1c and blood sugar better than the leading branded pill, which didn't get me to my goal. victoza® works with your body to lower blood sugar in three ways: in the stomach, the liver, and the pancreas.
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loyalist. a top surrogate and adviser is openly campaigning for the job. at the start of the asia cooperative summit in lima. according to the white house, the exchange lasted only four minutes, but they spoke about the conflicts in ukraine and the war in syria. both crisis the next secretary of state will have to navigate. another name being floated as the possible secretary of state. do you think you are in contention? it's great to see you.
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lots of different kinds of people with backgrounds and outlooks and relationships to the president-elect. it's fascinating that they are doing it in the way they are. >> we know how critical he was during the campaign, but can donald trump work with a rival. when it comes to foreign policy, trump is very, very not smart. his policies are ridiculous and dangerous and will make the world less safe. they are fueling the enemies. in 2012, romney called russia the u.s.'s greatest geopolitical foe. donald trump doesn't agree with any of those things. he doesn't agree with that or what he said about russia.
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>> only one person matters here and that is president-elect trump and that's all that matters. my likely role will be to confirm or lead the confirmation of whoever it is he nominates. he feels very comfortable in talking with him and they had a private conversation where the bygones were set aside. again, to use an old term, he is the decider here. it sounds like they had a good meeting. >> the past disputes will be resolved in an hour. >> yeah. there is all kinds of back channelling that takes place. in a transition like this, so many people are involved in so many characters. many of them i'm sure had conversations not only with him,
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but the people around him. i can only guess, you would have more insights into that by talking to sources that are dealing with this and something that i'm not doing. obviously i don't think he would bring out someone with the stature that mr. romney has. and wishing to talk with him and they want to go through this in a diligent way and find the person that fits where the nation is and where they are relative to foreign policy issues. >> i want to ask you about rudy giuliani with his business interests representing the foreign entities. he would have to recuse himself.
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he has been controversial and he is in the inner circle and openly advertising that he wants the job. how he would be? he is not known for being diplomatic in the past. >> again, since my job is likely in this case to be trying to confirm whoever they nominate, i don't want to handicap folks, but they have done tremendous background into the relationships and they are looking at the things and must feel like there is a comfort level that works for them. the personalities between the two gentlemen are different, but it is fascinating about what they are doing. they are going through and looking at people that represent very different approaches and trying to get the one that meshes best with president-elect trump and where he wants to go. the world as you know is
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somewhat unsettled by the election and actually an interesting time for america to take advantage and move ahead and reorient the relationships that probably need to be reoriented a little bit. it's an interesting time. i think they are trying to find exactly the right person that fits that mix. >> let me ask you this. if you are not chosen and are leading the confirmation, have they given you you an idea of the time table? in the past we have seen how they want you to get condoleezza rice or hillary clinton confirmed as secretary and they tried by january 20th to have someone in place. have they sent any briefing materials up to you? >> they have not done so. my sense is that they would want to be on a similar time fraiment to what occurred before. the first confirmation and hopefully having them in place at the same time the president is sworn in.
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it's evident they are putting tremendous focus on the national security team by virtue of being the first people being announced. i think he sees the opportunities he has to reach out and look at foreign policy in a different way than it has been looked at in the last to years. >> the senator said he believes it should be liquidated because of the fact that he got interest in istanbul. the fact is that he has business holdings everywhere in the world and the meeting he held raising
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eyebrows. one of the things they won't be could go is hearings on president-elect trump. that's in your lap. they will do everything they can to make sure they are not haunted by this for the next four years. i know he wants to be successful as a president and the last thing they want to have happen is continual stories about this. they are bringing in the best and the brightest to deal with it and i'm sure they will appropriately. yes, those relationships will be looked at overtime and they're smart people and will understand
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what will pass and what they won't do. they are doing everything they can and put something in place that will. >> senator bob corker, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> you bet. joining me now, former ambassador to russia, thank you very much. mitt romney with one view of russia he started articulating. donald trump and rudy giuliani. where do you find any compatibility between these candidates for secretary of state? >> obviously as you pointed out, candidate romney had a different view of rush why. when i work on the transition, people are not chosen based on a litmus test and what the views
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it was a much more personal relationship with the president. and then we duked it out in the administration. i suspect it will be a similar process here. that is enormously powerful. 16 agencies. >> well, if he loses the musical chairs game at the state department, he has been very loyal to president-elect trump. they have to find a place for him and that process happens in transitions all the time. i would say and the dni, they have a different job in the
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inner agency process. they are not supposed to be making policy. it's a different kind of job. they are making policy or the head of the dni, that might be a better place for them. if president-elect trump decides he is not the right fit. >> it has been a career military career diplomat. it never has been someone in the midst of this political fray. not as actively as rudy giuliani. vladimir putin is watching all of this. as a russian expert, what do you think he is thiing as he sees the way this cabinet is being formed and the people who are being chosen, mike flynn in particular. >> of course they are delighted that donald trump won and will be the next president. he has been inconsistent on a lot of foreign policies, but
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consistent with respect to russia. he wants a new beginning and reset with russia. i have no doubt that he and president putin will try to do that. it's also important to look at who the team will be. because with the president that doesn't have a lot of foreign policy experience, those different advisers will have a great deal of influence and particularly at the pentagon who is chosen to be secretary of defense matters a great deal. on a lot of places we disagree with respect to iran and syria. it's a little too early to judge what the u.s.-russian relationship will be like and the smart people in russia know that as well. >> ambassador, thank you very much. thanks for joining us today. coming up, the lid. trump advisers are offering two different takes on a possible muslim registry? where does donald trump stand on
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otezla. show more of you. and it's time for the lid. kansas lid." kansas secretary of state, kris koba kobach, who met with president-elect trump yesterday, told reuters last week that trump's policy had drafted a proposal for registering immigrants from muslim countries. and we have a little more proof about that today. check out this photo of kobach outside of his meeting with trump yesterday, flagged by the topeka capital journal, zooming in, visible in kobach's hand is a visible entitled, department of homeland security, and listed there is a plan for barring the entry of potential terrorists, closed quote, by reintroducing the national security entry/exit registration system. a bush-era program that tracked immigrants from high-risk areas that was drafted in part by kobach while he worked for bush 43. the panel the back.
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perry, ashley and bill. bill, you know more about this than moo people, what are the risks if this is what they were talking about? this seems to be similar to what president-elect said when he was a candidate, when he was in scotland, that he wasn't talking about barring all the muslims tor banning all the muslims, it's just muslims from high-risk countries would have to be highly vetted. >> and asking everyone their religion. right now it's easier to get into the u.s. from great britain than from saudi arabia. it's not ridiculous for countries to have different standards. we require visas from some countries and others we have visa-free travel. that's certainly the case when we travel to other countries. if it's done in a serious way and a sober way and a way that ensures american citizens that their civil rights are expected and foreigners that there's not discrimination on the ground of religion, i think it's fair to say we should take a fresh look at the way we're processing people's applications to come to the u.s.
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but trump should personally say, no muslim registry, no discrimination on the basis of religion. it's not that hard to say two or three sentences to make clear east abiding by basic american norms. >> and we haven't had clarity. he's choosing a team, choosing people who have had these views. and the data proved that the immigrants, the refugees who were processed, and it takes two years to get them through, as they go through a whole u.n. process as well as homeland security, that there has been a really minimal problems of any kind with the syrian refugees. they are mostly women and children. >> this is a very serious issue, where reince priebus says, i'm not ruling it out. it's not a comforting notion to people who are worried about what's happening to them and relatives coming into the country. the idea that we're moving to a list of people from muslim
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country is a semantic change and it might be an important one. but still, donald trump campaigned on a muslim ban. so people are going to look at that differently than it was in 2003 after 9/11. i think this is a problematic notion and one that they can talk -- particularly in the climate we're in now, we're seeing all these hate crimes and all these things that are happening in the country. it's time for him to say something about he wants to be the president of all americans, not just the ones that vote for him. >> i asked that question of ben cardin earlier today on msnbc, and he said it is past time for president-elect trump to speak out about the rise in hate speech, in bullying, in things that are happening in schools. there was a swastika not far from here in a school, in a very fine school district. this stuff is not just anecdotal. we are hearing it more and more often. >> reporter: we are. what happened, unfortunately, during this election cycle, there was a ramping up of certain rhetoric. hateful rhetoric. and we're now seeing it.
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the day after the election, we saw a spike in hate crimes. and i talked to cornell brooks, the head of the naacp before we went on the show and he said, we are watching. we're watch right now and we're working with justice. i talked to people at justice. they said, we are watching this and trying to make sure that we are enforcing what needs to be enforced. they're saying fbi as well as justice are working on this. we have to wait and see and hopefully, president-elect donald trump will allay fears and concerns and speak to this. he has to speak to many of these issues. >> bill, it was an unusual situation in the days following the election, where you had the adl, the anti-defamation league, working with the muslim american groups, and calling the for somebody to speak out. >> i think it would be pretty easy, honestly, for the president-elect to call 15 to 20 religious leaders and the conference table, let some of them be televised. reassure them, we may have policy differences about
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immigration or other issues, but that he doesn't intend to discriminate. >> he could go to a mosque, he could go to a synagogue. there's something he could do, in this moment as opposed to -- >> and children are affected. children i know are very much affected. children of color, children of different ethnicities the. thank you all so much. to be continued. bill, perry, and april. thanks for being with us. and after the break, why congress members could have a lot less free time come in january. stay tuned.
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well, in case you missed it or them, congress isn't on the hill all that much. there are 41 days left in 2016, but only 12 days left on the legislative calendar. lawmakers could be looking at spending a lot more time in the nation's capital in 2017. house majority leader kevin mccarthy is likely to extend the workweek for the house of representatives in the first session of the 115th congress. mccarthy is looking the at potentially eliminating some of those long weekends. the house has been in session for 113 days so far in is 2016. even with the 12 days still on the calendar. congress is on pace to be in session for the fewest number of days since all the way back in 2008. the official schedule isn't out yet, but with republicans leading a unified government come january, leader mccarthy
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could be angling to get more time for his chamber to pass favorable legislation. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with a lot more from "mtp daily." and "with all due respect" is about to start right now. i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to donald trump, he may be having a bit of a honeymoon, but it's still the case that not everyone wants to shake your hand. there has been a magnitude 6.9 earthquake off the coast of fukushima in japan, causing a tsunami warning. we'll be monitoring that throughout the show and report with any updates. meanwhile, there continues to be a lot of interest in the potential conflicts of interest when it comes to donald trump's sprawling business empire. so far, the president-elect has done next to
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