>> per if it's tuesday, president-elect donald trump faces his biggest challenge yet. how do you fight the man after you become the man? tonight, picking fights. from flag burners to baseless charges of voter fraud. why the president-elect always seems to be looking for a fight. plus conflicts of interest. trump has many and one of the most obvious is right here in washington. why i'm obsessed with how the press handles donald trump and how trump handles the press. this is mtpdaley and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to m tr"mtp daily" ali

frazier and coke had pepsi and trump had obama or clinton or the entire political establishment. like the other, trump thrives with a clear enemy or ten. he finds himself in an unfamiliar or uncomfortable position. the enemies are gone. obama will be out of office soon and frankly trump relies on him right now. clinton conceded theed. he beat her. the establishment? trump is the establishment. his primary opponents are interviewing for white house gigs. he is searching for an enemy. is it flag burners, the press, the popular vote? trump has gone after them all at times, using wild experience theories even as president-elect to do it. he quoted a treat from a 16-year-old as a way to justify crazy unsupported claims about the popular vote. trump seems to be begging for a

fight or begging for a distraction. trump's hunt for a cheap enemy comes as journalists and members of congress are looking at potentially serious conflicts of interest at his sprawling multinational business empire. we will dive into that later in the show. trump's business conflicts are big enough and have come up throughout various aspects of this transition. not only can it not be ignored, but needs to be dealt with before he can conduct his presidency. he dismisses the concerns even as some republicans like lindsay graham are making the case that business ties deserve the scrutiny. here's senator graham talking with reporters today about it. >> i think concerns with a member of kwng a fab net official being active in business. i don't see why it wouldn't apply to the president. i don't think most people would want me to have a business relationship as a senator where

my business partners can reap the benefit of my position and i one day get the share the profits. i don't think that would be good for me and good for my state. i don't think it would be good for the country, but let's give him a chance to figure this out. >> trump's pension for distractions is starting to frustrate members of his own party. kevin mccarthy slammed wild claims about election fraud. the election is over, move on. paul ryan said i don't see any evidence of systemic fraud. newt gingrich called it trump's biggest mistake since he won the election. the crazy accusations about fraud. connell slammed comments about burning the american energy should lead to jail time. justin amash said no president is allowed to burn the first amendment. he is most comfortable when he is ramering something. when you are a hammer,

everything looks like a nail. andrea mitchell, andrea has been following this closely and followed many other transitions. this is unusual because it seems as if he is going out of his way to find controversy rather than the controversy finding him. he has his own to deal with. the business conflicts are a big one. he is creating new ones. there is no precedent for it. >> there isn't, but this is a useful distraction from other things, giving him more space to make decisions as unusual the process is. he is making them in basketball. you can see the ups and downs and ins and outs most notably in the secretary of state decision where there is a reality style pageant of people parading through rudy giuliani on the phone if he doesn't come in person to get his two cents in and senator corker who indicated

to me the week before last, he was not still in the running. if this dispute is that serious as kellyanne indicated to you and you have david petraeus and the push back against him. despite the fact that he is highly regarded in foreign policy circles because of his record in republican and democratic circles. it's extraordinary. >> the state department has been the beat for so long. it smelled like bob corker was the in case of emergency easy guy and of the four people we are talking about here, one could argue corker has been more supportive of trump's foreign policy skepticism of the establishment than anybody else of that core that we are talking about. i include rudy julian whoa in many ways is more comfortable.

>> absolutely. senator corker has been discreet and loyal. he is not signalled the internal mechanisms. he has been saying i wasn't an insider in the campaign. he was an early endorser, but then sort of fell by the wayside and not the inside man that senator session was. he doesn't telegraph what has been going on. he has been discreet about that. if rudy giuliani's offense was that "wall street journal" did a round table where he openly campaigned for it and said he didn't want to be attorney general and he was better qualified, certainly senator corker would seem to be among the best choices. romney looks the part and is well-known around the world and has a lot of experience, but how does he explain the terrible things he said to the kellyanne point. then you have david petraeus who yes, did something for which he pleaded guilty and you have james comey on camera saying no,

it is not much less of an offense than hillary clinton. it is far more serious. it was prosecuted. one quick point about this, nobody is talking about the different -- until you raised the issue just now, nobody is really talking about the different world views of these people and what does it say about donald trump? that he might be comfortable with any one of them depending on the blow back he gets. >> he doesn't have an ideology that has been both his strength and a weakness anda at times it's both at the same time. andrea mitchell in the newsroom. thanks very much. let me bring in the panel and the search for an enemy. msnbc contributor and staff writer at the atlantic. a one-time adviser and with the bipartisan policy center. let me play this newt gingrich byte for you.

gingrich who has been among the truth tellers to trump in public, take a listen. >> i think the worst thing he did was the tweet the other night about illegal votes. presidents of the united states can't randomly tweet without having somebody check it out. it makes you wonder about whatever else he is doing and undermines much more than a single tweet. >> newt gingrich gave voice to something said throughout this campaign from democrats and republicans. >> newt is a historian and someone that understands the history of the presidency and so forth. i'm not surprised, but he is intellectual. what he is trying to be is a kbroen up big brother by staying mr. president-elect, stop this. tweeting at 4:02 in the morning is not the most important thing. >> he said that he would grow

into the role. he said he could be the apprentice of the presidency. >> he keeps trying to find rational. if you are donald trump, you appreciate that. he finds a rational to support trump. >> and coach him. if anything, he said it so visible 4r50e. the reason that kellyanne conway talks to the press, the only way you can communicate in his inner circle is through the media. that should be concerning for a lot of reasons. >> i want to go to this. he does thrive on an opponent. he is trying to basically turn us into the opponent. i know some people say no, trump doesn't think three moves ahead. he does what he feels in the moment. just when the business interest stories were gaining traction, all of a sudden now i'm watching cable tv do all of these. talk about the first amendment

and flag burning. this is like roger ailes distraction 101 from the bush years. >> trump thrives on conflict and someone whose world view is about conflict and views this as a dog eat dog world where you always have to be engaged in competition with something or someone. that part and you were spot on in him needing an enemy. he loves to stage spectacles and knows the effectiveness of that. he knows the effectiveness of creating distractions from things you don't want to talk about. he did this again and again. this is no different in terms of newt gingrich's role and no different in terms of people who could talk to him privately feeling it's more effective and him being influenced by what's out there in the media and him going on twitter without a filter and without a staff doing it for him and saying whatever the heck he feels like. >> it dem crates that he said look over here when the whole

$25 million fraught allegation that he had to pay and he started tweet being hamilton. it makes you wonder who is making want decisions. pence is playing a much larger role helping po decide his cabinet. the cabinet positions are a direct line of pence's policy pogsz. >> it's funny you say that. i agree with maria. so far at least on the domestic side of things, you are seeing pence has that influence big time. when it come with what political fights to have. that's a fun wedge issue. watch the media screw up the handling of this. it feels like every controversial tweet is about poking the base. >> absolutely. >> poking the bear. >> donald trump is best on the offense. he is so good on the offense. the question becomes when he is

the president, who will be the opponent? i think it will be democrats in the senate and possibly the press. >> definitely the press. he made that clear. >> he is also going to beat up on wall street and any organization that moves their operations overseas. it's really him against us in many ways. i think donald trump is going to thrive off of that type of conflict because he is good at it, but behind the scenes, you will have jared kushner and reince priebus and the vice president. >> he is so used to -- there is outrage over everything. folks get desensitized to it. that a real danger. >> i had some people say to me, you wouldn't give air time to a holocaust denier. why bother covering if the tweet is crazy and doesn't stand up to

scrutiny. >> it's news. don't you have to cover it? >> this is the challenge for everybody at this table. the american voter. the american citizens. >> the news part is not that he is sweeting, but it's false. >> potentially false. >> when he starts going after the ideas of illegal people voting, you also already know who is he is trying to state and doing that number one. number two, he is preparing the case of why we should have stronger voter suppression laws that all right exist. setting himself up for the next election. that's frightening. >> he is not running a campaign anymore. he is supposedly going to be the president of the united states and govern. we have to be focused on as you were saying about the cabinet appointments not just who is in his favor and who looks right of what the intrigue is, but how it translates into america's in the

world. there are policy consequences of this and potential consequences to a president who doesn't believe in our election system and believes there is rampant voter fraud. not who is winning and losing. he thinks he is in a campaign. he is going to ohio on thursday. >> that's his comfort zone. that's the point of this. when you have an enemy, you need a committee. >> you are not governing. >> barack obama was better as a campaigner than a president sometimes. it is easier when you have a foil. >> but president obama had conviction and knew where he stood on things and how to govern. >> he was comfortable when he had the foil. >> if you realize that you are a mike pence or steve bannon, you want him on the road. you can identify and govern. like dick cheney. >> the true power will be on the other side. that's where paul ryan -- i think paul ryan in most cases

think that. it's the center of gravity until it isn't. that's where trump every once in a while -- he will the minute they push him too far and start manipulating, he will lash out. >> not like he feels like he is getting rolled. >> that's right. that's the dangerous game they are playing. we get to get into this more. i promise. you are sticking around. we will dig more into the conflict of interest issue. it is literally on the road to the white house. senator ben cardin joins me on how the democrats are trying to push congress. an institution they have no control over to take a look at trump's finances. stay tuned. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise, mary's data could be under attack. with the help of at&t,

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signed a letter addressed and requesting an investigation into trump's business ties. kevin mccarthy one of the house gop leaders saying wait until he is president before calling for hearings. ben cardin called on trump to take the proper measures to ensure his dealings are in compliance with the u.s. constitution. it's 22 democratic cosponsors. he joins me now. thank you, sir. >> it's a pleasure to be with you. thank you. >> so as you know, even the president-elect himself and the interview with the "new york times" said there is no law that governs conflict of interest with the president. you in congress because of the separation of powers, you legally cannot create laws that would directly impact the president or the vice president even though you passed laws that impact the rest of the executive branch. what would the law that you are intending to try to pass look

like? >> that's not exactly correct. this is a constitutional provision. the clause of the constitution. that's not a law that congress can change or the president can ignore. the first thing he does is take an oath to defend and adhere to the constitution of the united states. it couldn't be clearer that any person whos an office of trust is not allowed to accept favors or gifts from foreign governments. with trump holdings all over the world, it would be difficult if not impossible for him to conduct business without there being favors given to his companies or the appearance of favors. he needs to take action today before he becomes president so he doesn't violate the constitution. >> for instance, the country of bahrain decided to hold a bahrain national day celebration in washington, d.c. at trump's hotel. is that a case -- this is the

national government of bahrain spending money at trump's hotel, is that a violation of the constitution? is trump accepting even a trump organization accepting that money? does that violate the clause? >> using trump towers and they said why wouldn't we want to show that to the united states. they are doing things and they think it will show favor to donald trump. once he takes the oath of office, the clause of the constitution makes it clear he cannot accept the favors. the only way to protect himself is to set up a blind trust or divest in these holdings. every president since george washington respected this clause in the constitution. >> she getting a lot of advice that said the safest thing is full divestment.

if he doesn't do that,o who has standing? how do you enforce this from your perch at congress other than impeachment? >> we want to avoid that problem. we want to avoid that crisis and the way to do is. it's not about him, but the presidency. he has a responsibility to protect the office of the president and adhere to the constitutional restrictions and should take step so we never have to answer that question. >> i'm sure you have talked to lawyers. who has standing to endorse this clause in the constitution? it would take somebody to bring this up. who has it? >> it's a question that may have to be answered by the courts. i hope that will not be answered. i hope he will take steps. if another u.s. business is damaged as a result of favors, they may bring the suit. we want to take care of the issue now. congress as an institution has a

responsibility as independent branch of government to let the president-elect know he needs to take steps. >> it's funny you say that. that's the most intriguing phrase in the clause. without the consent of the congress, which means you can give him some -- if he decided to create a blind trust that allowed his kids to run it and some could argue that the kids getting money could still be a violation. congress would have to pass an exemption for him. is that how you interpret the clause? >> the framers put that into the constitution because they thought maybe a particular gift that is appropriate for the president of the united states to receive from a foreign government. i don't think that was meant to mean that the congress can avoid the requirements that the president not receive as a general matter and gifts from foreign powers, but we have that responsibility and it's clear to me that congress should give

advice to the president-elect, clean this up before the take the oath of office. >> do you have republican cosponsors yet? >> we are reaching out to republicans. we don't think it's a part of san issue. this is to avoid a potential problem with the president and the constitution. we are reaching out and hopefully will work with the house members and senate members to get this done. >> ben cardin who is the ranking member of foreign relations. thanks for coming on. appreciate it. >> let's take a look at one specific example here for president-elect trump and conflict of interest. it has to do with his brand-new hotel at the old post office building. he signed a contract that barred any official from being party to the hotel's lease. come january 20th, trump will be president. guess what. a party to the lease that could set off a court battle. basically he would be technic

technically both the landlord and tenant of his new hotel. is it this cut and dry? our chief correspondent will talk me through. he signed this piece of paper saying he agreed that no member of the government would be a party to the lease. obviously it would create a conflict of interest. again, the hotel is on land that is owned by the federal government. they had to get this lease from them. on january 20th, he would be in violation of this contract or not? >> it's probably not clear cut. it's a situation where the words of the contract make it like a violation or a breech, a broken contract because it states so flatly you can't have elected officials benefiting for the reasons you explained. the gsa is i essentially an executive agency that would be just run by the administration.

having said that, the counter argument that the trump folks would make, we struck a deal then and didn't know. no one knew at the time that part of the deal would be an elected official and that itself doesn't mean an automatic breech. >> what would -- you could make a case that hey, it's not like he is changing the terms of the deal. is it a better argument to say he can't be involved in the renegotiation when the lease is up? >> exactly. there is everything that happened before which you could argue was the fair market value that is one of the terms that is used in the situations. are you getting something special. a special deal or cut rate because you are involved and because of the power you have. he can say when he made the deal, i department have the power. we in the legal unit have been pouring over this contract which is publicly available in a redacted form and we can you on your show, there are provisions

that have future negotiations that have gross revenues timed by a certain number that will be worked out down the road in addition to a 60-year land deal. even if you give him the benefit of the doubt, the fact is they are on a collision course crash between the benefits that will accrue to the trump organization and deals that will be struck by the general service administration and maybe they don't think about or care about, but will be in the driver's seat of millions that will benefit the trump organization or not. >> and it all depends on a potentially an appointee that comes from president donald trump. >> you don't have to be a lawyer to know if you please your boss at work, you might as well try to do it. that's the point. i top the stress something you pointed out. a conflict of interest doesn't mean you are a bad person. it doesn't mean you are setting out to do something nepharious.

the reason the law and government are restricted is because even a good person would be stuck choosing between one interest and a conflict with another. maybe their children and maybe their wallet. that's not a bad thing. it's a thing people think about. is this administration going to do anything to avoid the conflicts? >> right. how does donald trump pick between the public and his kids. nobody wants to be put in that situation. our chief legal correspondent as always, thanks for speaking english as well. >> you got it. >> the regular english. appreciate it. still ahead, a trump transition update and more new faces and the secretary of state reality show continues. bl ♪ ♪ style lets you stand out from the herd.

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welcome back. president-elect donald trump continues stocking his cabinet. this is not a new team of outsiders. he will nominate elaine chao who is married to mitch mcconnell who said he will not recuse himself from voting to confirm his wife. another well-known washingtonian is trump's nominee for health and human services. tom price of georgia. an outspoken critic of obamacare. he is serious about repealing the affordable care act. it feels like a mystery and feels like we are being dlired a head show. john bolton and donald trump both have the ideology.

the mitt romney dinner tonight and general petraeus met with him. look at what bob corker said when leaving trump tower. >> sec tear of state role is so important. you need to choose someone he is comfortable with and knows there will be no daylight between him and them. the world needs to know the secretary of state speaks fully for the president and that is a decision he will have to make. >> it was bob corker who was disqualifying mitt romney from the job. trump is having dinner with the nominee tonight. we will see what comes of that. molly, the corker commends. that's my read on it and forget the personal animosity.

kellyanne conway has a point. romney went over and above to defeat trump. i get the beef on that. they disagree on putin. how can they live in the same administration. >> there is a part of donald trump that never stopped seeking mitt romney's approval. he wanted it years ago and he was desperate when he gave romney the endorsement and romney every wanted to see her hear from him again. he didn't let him speak at the convention. he is trying to prove himself to the republican establishment since. to bring the establishment in and be its boss and be able to tell it what to do by the extension of mitt romney would mean a lot to him on personal validation. >> this is why they said no,

dad, i want to be a developer and make the manhattanites respect us. his head and the logical part of his and thoughtful and deliberative, but his heart wants to go with rudy giuliani. he has been there if from the get go. mitt romney is a patriot. whether or not he can drink the trump cool 8 and travel around the world and negotiate or be at the trump administration. mitt romney really, really want this is job. >> it's clear or he wouldn't allow himself to be publicly humiliated by the staff every day. >> he recognized that it would be good for the country if he was the face of america abroad. he is steady and someone at the end of the day people respect. donald trump said he fits the

part and looks the role. that's one of the rain why he picked pence. he looks like a vis president. >> i go back to bob corker's point. isn't he right? president trump better served with someone who shares the foreign policy. >> the women ran against him and their world views. >> it was also the 3:00 with barack obama being qualified. look at general hang. he ran for president. >> that's true. >> you are right. he was part of forced upon. >> if he were to pick romney, the biggest challenge is when he meets with let e leaders, he will believe he is an extension of the inner circle.

you don't want people to not fully trust that the secretary of state speaks for you. >> that's a self interested statement by bob corker. he is campaigning for the job, but it's not incorrect and i think your point is well taken. you will have world leaders being like is trump being to tweet something that contra veens this negotiation i just had. can i rely on anything that gets said. mitt romney and barack obama are in the same place on this. they don't like donald trump and don't respect donald trump. they feel like they have to do everything possible to help him succeed. >> let me move to the elaine khoa pick. elizabeth dole whose husband was a leader at the time. that was labor i believe in reagan and transportation and bush. elaine khao and transportation. my god. >> there is a nonprofit thing

with the record. >> is this just trump and the transaction? i will make sure there is one area he has to listen. >> it's two for the price of one. e lane chao brings diversity to the role. there is a lot of thing she checks the box for. >> he wants to bring in somebody to say i need you. whether you like it or not. i will bring your wife in and it doesn't sfeek whether or not she is qualify and he is playing chess. i think he is. he is playing more chess than people gave him credit for. >> what does it mean for transportation policy. do we have any idea? >> he is across the board. >> i will go with medicare. tom price is somebody who would

advocate a more privatized version. donald trump does not believe in a privatized medicare. transportation i think was one of the best and a great gig to have. normally secretary of agriculture is the best job they have. this time transportation will be about that. let's take a pause here and when we come back, we will talk a little bit. there is a loyal opposition party and they have to figure out who is their leader. we will find out if nancy pe lossy is one of the leaders or will tim ryan pull the upset. he claims he is within striking distance. stay tuned. but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. give it. sure! it's free for everyone. oh! well that's nice! and checking your score won't hurt your credit. oh! i'm so proud of you. well thank you. free at at discover.com/creditscorecard, even if you're not a customer. my mmade a simple trip toonic the grocery storesis anything but simple.

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i'm way more obsessed than usual. i don't like naval gazing about the press, but we are facing a challenge unlike any before. it used to be we believed president they talked or believed they had facts to back up their statements. lying got them in trouble and impeached. it forced another to resign. what do do you when the president-elect is willing to spread falsehoods like voter fraud got him the popular vote and the media is covering this up. what do you do when hes top reporters that half of them are

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ryan said he is within striking distance after spending the thanksgiving holiday talking with caucus members and their spouses. here's kasie hunt's interview. >> but our focus has not been on those needs all the time. and that needs to be the heart and soul of our message, how can we help working class people, whether they're white, black, brown, male, female. how do we help work class people get ahead? because that's the one issue that really ties all these little demographic groups together. >> the panel is back. maria teresa kumar, molly ball, robert traynham. maria, let me start with you. first of all, why do we think only tim ryan is challenging her. there is part of me that has been wondering, you know, as he points out, this is now four cycles in a row where house democrats are essentially getting their you-know-whats handed -- >> i think that's one of the

reasons, he's trying to evaluate his name. and if you look at the history of nancy pelosi, this is not the way she wants to go out. she does not want to lose an election after being the first woman speaker. >> i think that's been her rationalization, though, every two years. >> right, but that's the challenge. because everybody is intimidated and fearful of her, because she has -- she wields enormous power, not just on the hill, but also off, when it comes to fund-raisering and that sort of things. and she brings the war chest. so for someone to come in and challenge her, it's a junior guy who basically says, i will get it one day. >> he's making the case against identity politics to a conference that i believe is majority/minority. >> well, look, there's a lot of loyalty to nancy pelosi on the surface. there's a lot of grumbling behind the scenes, as well. i think there are a lot of democratic members who are deeply frustrated with being in the minority, deeply frustrated with how the election turned out. and deeply frustrated that she's making them stay loyal to her. >> her and clyburn, all over the age of 70, no offense, but, it

has frustrated a bunch of juniors. >> that's the thing. the uprising is coming from a lot of the juniors coming in. >> and tim ryan wouldn't have done this if he didn't have enough support. >> where's the democratic party going? what do we stand for? what do they stand for? a lot of young people don't exactly know what that message is. >> you're talking about the generational divide we saw, even with bernie sanders. >> he is making her case about tactics and he is making it about -- >> vision. >> right. the problem is, house members do think tactically, right? >> of course. >> they think -- but you're right. what is her vision to win back the house? >> and they have to years, right? they have two years, basically, for this person, ryan, to come and organize -- >> and an establishment person from san francisco that's been in the congress since, what, the mid-80s, should the that be the spokesperson to bring the democrats back to power in 2018? and if you take a look at the map, it's really, really difficult -- >> but the argument is, tim ryan does not look like the 21st

century democratic party. and should that matter? >> yes and no. but the good thing about it, he comes from ohio. he seems like he's a little bit more of a populist. and it seems like he does have a little bit more of a following. >> this is the challenge. this is the challenge for the democratic party and progressive politics, oftentimes, is that they go from election to election, instead of learning historically what happens. so they'll start to pivot and say, now we need to focus on one. and it's interesting that you have to make sure that you are talking to all constituencies, all of the time. just because he's ohio -- well, it doesn't reflect the larger patchwork -- >> but it does speak to that rust belt -- right. >> but the house minority leader is not going to be the face of the new democratic party. that is only going to get harder and worse for the democrats once they're out of the white house. and there is no national leader for the party. there's a fight for the dnc chair. there's, you know, a new minority leader in the senate. there's going to be -- probably won't be a new minority leader in the house. but the leaderlessness of the

democratic party is a much bigger issue than that. and i think flowsy has an advantage, it's that the house democrats know that fixing that is not going to fix the house. >> i was just going to say, the dnc chair races, we're probably going to see more flexing, i think, about -- i've talked to plenty of latino democrats that are like, latinos were the one constituency group that delivered for her. no other constituency group can claim that. and by gosh, latinos should have a larger voice -- >> and by 2020, you're going to have close to 6 more million latino eligible voters. and in less than 17 years, you're going to have -- by 2030, you're going to have 17 million more latino voters. so it's the only constituency that's constantly growing, at a quick -- >> but the question is, who is on the democratic bench that speaks to that in 2018 and in 2020 and beyond? >> in javier baa sierra were challenging nancy pelosi, and i'm not saying that would happen, he's loyal to her -- >> incredibly loyal. >> but baa sierer baa cerro wo

win in a walk, right? >> yes. >> no one is stepping up to address it. and that is try in the house and i think it's true for the party generally. >> so a new yorker and a californian are going to be the leaders of the democrats in the house and the senate. >> deja vu all over again. >> and the democrats are a coastal party. >> there you go. >> you guys were a terrific panel. appreciate it, maria, molly, and robert. we'll get you an "m" name. the unpopular stat that's still dogging the president-elect. stay tuned. liberty mutual stood with me when i was too busy with the

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in case you missed it, president-elect donald trump is not happy that he lost the popular vote. and this stat is probably not going to make him feel any better. according to the cook political report, hillary clinton's popular vote lead is now up to 2.3 million votes, but get this, trump's percentage of the popular vote has now dropped to 46.4%. so even with rounding, he isn't going to get above 46. since 1900, only three other presidents have won the white house with a smaller percentage of the popular vote. woodrow wilson in 1912, richard nixon in 1968, and bill clinton in 1992. and each of those outcomes have an asterisk. the big difference between those three elections and this one? the third party vote. 1912, third party candidate teddy roosevelt, he of the bull moose party then, got 27% of the vote! he technically finished second. taft, the incumbent president, wound up third in the popular vote. in '68, george wallace got more than 13% of the popular vote.

did really well in parts of the south. ross perot got 19% of the vote back in 1992. but this year, the third party candidates combined, gary johnson and jill stein, only got north of 5% of the vote. so what's more, in all of these cases, by the way, wilson, nixon, and clinton, those three actually were the popular vote winners, unlike trump. all of that may explain why donald trump's latest claim of voter fraud is his focus when it come to explaining away why he lost the popular vote. that's all for tonight. "with all due respect," though, starts 18 seconds left. i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with a all due respect to donald trump, who's suddenly an expert on flags. >> i don't know what the 13 stripes represent. >> mr. trump, would you mind if we asked to see your birth certificate?