becoming an all-star, but they want the vacation. those who do play aren't on the field for very long. now the league's collective bargaining agreement says home field advantage in the world series goes to the team with the best regular season record. how about that? wow, what an amazing idea. and the players that do participate in the all-star game will be playing for a pool of extra money, which is also a bit ridiculous, but at least doesn't give such a big reward for such a, frankly, meaningless game. but, you know what, at least they tried to make the all-star game cool again. that's all for tonight. "with all due respect" starts 15 seconds left. >> i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to those people who are floating the idea of chris christie being the new rnc chairman, we have five words for you. >> sit down and shut up! we like that.

on the show tonight, trump's transition team, a capitol hill love scene, and one lean, mean, howard dean. but first, it's been 23 days since donald trump became the next president of these united states. and while we've heard plenty from trump thanks to yes old twitter machine, we haven't seen him very much. until today, when he held his first public event since his uncharacteristically gracious and subdued election night speech. trump is kicking off his victory lap thank you tour this evening, but that first event took place this afternoon in indianapolis, where he basked in the glow of the deal he and mike pence have struck from the carrier air-conditioning company from moving to mexico next year. there was no shortage of self-aggrandizement and trumpian tangents, but his demeanor was calm, measured and his message was optimistic about the nation's future. >> i want to let all of the other companies know that we're going to do great things for businesses.

there's no reason for them to leave anymore. because your taxes are going to be at the very, very low end. and your unnecessary regulations are going to be gone. we need regulations for safety and for environment and things. but most of the regulations are nonsense. it's become a major industry. the writing of regulations. and that these companies aren't going to be leaving anymore. they're not going to be taking people's hearts out. >> trump is heading to cincinnati tonight for the first in a series of victory rallies over the coming days. so, mark, on the basis of what we have seen, so far, at this indianapolis event, what do you think we're going to see from donald trump on the rest of this victory rally tour? >> a very familiar guy, stream of consciousness, self-congratulation, an emphasis on winning, mocking the media, liking the hats. i mean, it was very similar. he didn't call her crooked hillary, except for that, it was very similar to a campaign event.

and, you know, it's interesting, he got such great marks on his election night speech. i didn't hear a lot of that, either tone or those kind of lines, but i will say that the trump brand, as a successful political brand, has been emphasizing winning. this deal, for all its flaws, which we'll talk about, is winning. this is it. this is the version of president more days than not we're going to get come january. >> i thought, if that's right and certainly that -- on the basis of the indianapolis event, it seems to suggest that we're going to see a lot of campaign-style trump out there on the campaign, on this victory tour. it seems to me that it makes clearer than ever that this tour is not so much about saying thank you, although that's part of it, but it's also just about, amazingly, and i'm going to say these words and everyone is going to cringe when i say it, but it's really the first set of events of the 2020 re-election campaign. you know? donald trump managed to win

election in a way that in symptom respects was predictable, and in other ways was totally shocking. but in winning in these midwest states that had been part of the blue wall. iowa, ohio, obviously, but also pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, places he's going some of them on this tour, indiana, places he won by a lot, 19 points, i think. he understands if he's going to get re-elected, he has to maintain a strong basis for his political support in those places. this is both in terms of substance and in terms of tone, what we're going to see for the next couple of days is, hey, man, the prermanent campaign is on and i'm already looking four years down the road. >> i say this without a judgment about the merits and i say this without really knowing the answer. and i say this even though donald trump, but the question is raised, why didn't the current president do this? and i think donald trump today implicitly was on that, that was part of the victory lap. >> well, i think the answer is

that the current president didn't want to do what i'm sure is now is about to happen, is the reason this deal happened was, i think -- again, we're going to talk about the merits of it in a second, is, it's about tax policy. it's not about a bunch of small inducements that got laid out. we've heard about indiana's role in this. but this is a larger thing that's going on with carrier's parent company and wanting to stay in good instead in terms of defense contracts and tax reform going forward. and i don't think barack obama wanted to play that game. >> well, he could have played the first one. so let's talk about the merits of this deal, whether it's in the public interest or not. in exchange for keeping those jobs in indiana, the hoosier state is going to give the company, it is said, $7 million in incentives over the next few years. the bigger issue, though, as john just suggested, maybe, that carrier's parent company, united technology, wants to have some good standing with the incoming trump administration. that conglomerate is a major defense contractor in addition

to making air-conditioners. and a lot of its business with the federal government. the firm is going to benefit from the fact that trump, if he can, is going to try to cut corporate taxes, and regulations, if they do that, if the administration -- if the new administration does that, they will benefit. lots of people do not like this deal, including the former presidential candidate, vermont senator, bernie sanders, he is royally peeved. he published a scathing op-ed in "the washington post" today. in it, he criticized trump for reversing on his campaign promise to slap tariffs on companies that try to flee the country and take jobs overseas. sanders wrote, "instead of a damn tax, the company will be rewarded with a damn tax cut. wow! how's that for standing up to corporate greed?" so john, we talked about this yesterday. there's a few more facts known now about the agreement. what do you think? >> look, i am not a big fan of tariffs. and i was never a fan of trump's plan to slap taxes, as he put

it, that's what sanders is referring to there, what he said about carrier, just a few months ago was, ooi'm going to make th pay a damned tax. i'm not a fan of that as public policy. but regardless of where you stand on that, it is 180 degrees out from what the deal is that he's now cut with carrier, which is to promise that he's going to cut carrier's and others taxes going forward. so i think sanders is right to call out that this is a perfect reversal from what trump's position was previously. and as i said before, i'm not for tariffs, but that is what he said he's going to do and he's doing the opposite. >> you know, there are lots of flaws with this. and i agree with those who are critical of it and say the that if a democratic administration had done this, they would be criticized for industrial policy, et cetera. i will say two things. the notion of a president cheerleading for jobs in an ad hoc improvisional way, that's a

positive. some say, other businesses will want the same thing? i don't think that's true. i think there's a culture of keeping jobs here and getting a pr benefit from that, even if you don't get the same level of tax inducements. >> i never thought i would call you pollyannish, but it's the first time in the history of this show. >> i'm just saying it's a possibility. >> mark "polyana" halperin. i never thought we'd say. >> this firm has got millions in free pr today. >> they're also going to get probably a tax cut worth billions. anyway, donald trump's courtship with kplil republicans is sure to be something of a political soap opera next year. now they're still in that sweet nothings phase. vice president-elect mike pence met with congressional republicans yesterday and both sides they're gearing up for a close, productive, and loving, definitely not same-sex union, in the coming months.

during a press conference today, house speaker paul ryan addressed questions about one hot-button issue, medicare, which he described as on a path to going bankrupt. but ryan also said he has not yet talked to the trump transition team of the controversial move of potentially privatizing medicare, which trump did not show much interest in in the campaign. some other issues that could cause discokorcord between the house and capital hill. so mark, is donald trump and congress a love story or a looming lover's quarrel? >> oh, it's both. uh right now, i think it's very close. i think that there are some dista substantiative issues, the debt issue, entitlement reform. there's a huge gap between what trump not only has talked about, but i think will push for, and what the traditional republican position is. there's this huge issue about whether to cooperate with the democrats or make accommodations to try to get bipartisan support for things.

these will come a cropper before too long. but it is trump's party. trump is the -- you know, the co-equal branch that's more than co-equal. my guess is, eventually paul ryan and mitch mcconnell will have to figure out how to accommodate themselves to trump. but it's one step at a time. and i think the current step towards both tax reform and infrastructure and the debt ceiling, i think, i think will go relatively smoothly under the circumstances. but we shall see. >> i think that may be right on those issues, where there can be a lot of common ground and where as you said, mcconnell and ryan will see it in the party's political interests to give trump some wins. i think on these big issues, medicare reform, right? this iss an issue we talked abot all year long, part of the reason why paul ryan and donald trump were not a match made in heaven is because they believe fundamentally different things on questions of domestic spending. maurd medicare is the biggest.

paul ryan has a long record of what he wants to do on medicare and donald trump wants something very difficult. >> and it comes to a head. it's so easy to say, let's repeal the affordable care act and take two or three years to figure out what to replace with it. you have to deal with medicare and medicaid. and the republicans in congress will be reluctant to say, we'll pass this major piece of legislation getting rid of the affordable care act -- >> and not do anything -- >> exactly. there are some complexities, but right now it's going pretty smoothly and i'll say for the umpteenth time, mike pence right at the center of it. we'll take a break and when we come back, the former governor of vermont which happens to be the former chairman of the democratic party. you say howard, we say dean after this quick break. ways win.

especially in my business. with slow internet from the phone company, you can't keep up. you're stuck, watching spinning wheels and progress bars until someone else scoops your story. switch to comcast business. with high-speed internet up to 10 gigabits per second. you wouldn't pick a slow race car. then why settle for slow internet? comcast business. built for speed. built for business. now our first guest, the former chair to have the democratic national committee, held the post from 2005 to 2009, and a job he's trying to go back and claim again. from burlington, vermont, the

msnbc political analyst, the former governor of vermont, the howard dean. dr. dean, thank you for joining us. >> hey, guys! thanks. >> people get asked all the time, why did hillary clinton lose? let me ask you this, why have democrats lost so many seats in the house and senate and state legislatures over the last eight years? >> because they haven't built a grassroots organization. and i don't particularly think this is a barack obama problem. every time we have a democratic president, the dnc becomes the way of the re-elect. until the actual campaign starts. so, what happens is, the committee usually gets pretty hollowed out. the 50-state strategy pretty much died. there was not a lot of attention paid by the dnc to the local parties. and there hasn't been attention for a long time paid to what the republicans have done very well, which is school board members, city councillors, mayors, those are the things that really drive a party. and we haven't really invested in that. we do have a branch, the

democratic legislative council, but we don't fund it. so we've got some strong reorganization that's got to be done here. >> so governor dean, that's a pretty long list, with some specifics. you like straight talk, you like accountability. name two people who share part of the blame for the dncs you just described. >> not going there. appreciate the ask, though. what's the point? >> how do you have accountability? if you're not willing to say, this person didn't do it right, how is there any accountability? if it were a republican that messed it up, you would name names. why don't you name names in your own party? >> i'm in the business of trying to keep the party together. one of the things i want to try to avoid is a fight between the bernie sanders supporters and the hillary clinton supporters over this chairmanship and this

nomination. so looking backwards and blaming people, everybody has people they're going to blame. what's the point of my getting in that game? >> howard, ross dalthouht wrote a pretty interesting story in "the new york times" writing about areas where the democratic party could conceivably, if it wanted to, move to the center, particularly on some cultural issues that might be problematic for the party, where its kind of identity politics have run up against some of the realities of white working class voters that donald trump appealed to successfully in 2016. do you think that's part of what the party needs to do to try to make inroads again with that constituency, again, that trump did well, but used to be a core part of the democratic coalition? >> no, first of all, we have to stop talking about work whiting class people and start talking about working class people. all working class people face

the same problems. people of color face greater problems, because of discriminations. but we need to be a broad party that appeals to people on economic grounds, which means all working class people who have gotten screwed in the last 20 to 25 years, evidently they're going to get screwed again by trump. for him to invest $7 million of the taxpayers' money for 800 jobs while another 500 went to mexico, that's a great pr deal in the first few months -- first few months or so after he's been elected president, but no governor in the country of either party -- every governor knows that's not sustainable. i think we have to organize better and we've got to reach out and on economic grounds and show the working class that we are, in fact, the party of people who are going to help people like that, who are struggling. >> you did an interview the other day with canadian ctv news, where you referred to steve bannon as a nazi. i'm curious whether you genuinely believe steve bannon is a nazi and whether we're now

facing the prospect of a bona fide nazi in the west wing? >> that's not a word i use without thinking about it carefully. so let's look at breitbart news. they're anti-semitic, they've been very blunt about that. they are certainly misogynistic. they've been very blunt about that. they have not stood up for the white -- they're white supremacists. they've been very blunt about that. i think that's a fair word to describe that kind of an attitude. i don't think it belongs in the white house. >> but i understand those are critical comments and a lot of them certainly are fair when it comes to breitbart news, but you're saying something different, i think. you're saying steve bannon is a nazi. i want to make sure that's what you actually believe. i'm sorry. >> steve bannon ran breitbart news. they was the one who published it. it was his baby after breitbart himself passed away. he is responsible for the content of breitbart. and i think he owes america an apology and i think he owes america an explanation. >> doctor, i want to move to a

different topic, but i've got to ask you again. you used the phrase before in an interview, are you standing by it or just saying he's responsible for breitbart. is he a gnatnazi in your view o not? >> he's someone who is all the things i just said and i don't back off any of it. >> in the coming months, a lot of democrats, despite nancy pelosi being re-elected to lead the democrats in the house, in the coming months, a lot of democrats would like to see new young people emerge as faces of the party, leaders of the party. who are two or three young democrats who you think have the stature, the knowledge, the vision to become part of the mosaic face of the democratic party? >> i think there are a ton of them. so far, there are three of them running for the dnc, not including me, because i'm old, and i would like the idea of new blood. but so far, the only candidate that kind of fits the bill is jamie harrison. i don't think we can have a two-chair dnc.

we've tried that for eight years, it didn't work very well. i certainly don't think we could have a sitting chairperson of the dnc. that hasn't worked very well. i want to see younger people run the dnc. i'm very happy to help. i don't have to be the chair. but this is a mechanical job. if we don't focus on the mechanics, we aren't going to be any better off in 2020 than we are right now. >> should the dnc continue to raise money from wall street interests? >> we should raise money from everybody who we can raise money from. >> howard, there's a story up on cnn today, about keith ellison, that talks about something we've known about, that's been part of the public record for a while, which is his long self-defense, he's distanced himself from the nation of islam more recently, but he has a long history defending the nation of islam and louis farrakhan.

do you think this is problematic at all, this history ellison has in terms of defending farrakhan and the nation of islam? >> look, i like keith a lot. i campaigned with him when i first got elected, because i thought it important he be in congress, representing american muslims, which he has done a good job of. i think that people evolve. and the remarks that he head in 2010 may not be appropriate today. i would be the first person. i don't think you can defend louis farrakhan. but i think keith is an honorable, decent person who is not an anti-semite, and i don't intend to make a big deal out of those remarks. i think people change, they learn, they grow. hopefully we'll see some growth in donald trump from the show the that he gave us during the campaign. >> all right. howard dean, thank you. >> we say howard, we say dean. dr. dean, thank you very much. when we come back, we'll talk with kurt anderson about the election of a guy he hasn't

always gotten along perfectly with, donald trump, right after this. put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture, and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. ugh. heartburn. sorry ma'am. no burning here. try alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they don't taste chalky and work fast. mmmm. incredible. can i try? she doesn't have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief. ♪ ♪

when you find something worth waiting for, we'll help you invest to protect it for the future. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase, so you can. bill assumed his mayo was the best choice. assume nothing. unlike hellmann's, kraft real mayo spreads on smoother and still has no artificial flavors. no wonder the holidays taste so good. ♪ i want a hippopotamus for christmas ♪ ♪ only a hippopotamus will do at the united states postal service, we deliver more online purchases to homes than anyone else in the country. and more hippopotamuses, too. ♪ so whatever your holiday priority, our priority is you. i thought my bladder leakage

meant my social life was over. wearing depend underwear has allowed me to fully engage in my life and i'm meeting people. unlike the bargain brand, depend fit-flex underwear is more flexible to move with you. reconnect with the life you've been missing. get a free sample at depend.com. reconnect with the life you've been missing. tand the alzheimer'sf association is going to make it happen. but we won't get there without you. visit alz.org to join the fight. welcome back. our next guest has been writing about donald trump for decades. he's an author and the host of wync studio 360 radio show. he's written for "new york" magazine, "the new yorker," and "time" magazine, but most seminolely, he's one of the founders of the legendary spy magazine, that donald trump once lovingly called a piece of garbage. here to talk about the election of his bettenwar, we're joined

by our friend the great kurt anderson. i know you were horrified by trump's election. but are you totally surprised? >> well, it's interesting, the revisionism that's going on in my own mind, as it happened. i'm not as totally surprised as many people, because i didn't think it was as beyond possibility as everyone else did. i had been -- when he decided to run, i was already in the middle of a book, essentially arguing that america had evolved over the last 50 hundreds of years, to a place where a thing like donald trump could happen. the lack of care for empirical reality, for instance, sort of teed us up to elect a person like donald trump. so i can't pretend like, yeah, i saw it coming, but i can't say i was shocked, either. >> when you think back to the donald trump that you covered at spy, back in the day, and the 1980s, early 90s donald trump, forget about the campaign donald trump. it seems to be the campaign donald trump and that donald trump are different. there are some things that are

really similar, other things that are quite different. what kind of donald trump would you expect now on the basis of what you've known over trump than a longer time frame that have just been focused on him for a year. >> the thing that always struck me and amazed me about donald trump, as his central population, humanly, was his need for attention. this pathological need for as much attention as possible for whatever reason, under any circumstance. well, president of the united states, that's about as much attention adds you can get. so, will he now become a happy and fulfilled person? i don't think so, because i also think he has a large hole in his soul that will not filled up by the constant attention of being president. so what can we expect m i think we can expect a guy who doesn't know what he's doing, apart from his use to attention and his use to deference, presidents get both of those, but he's not used to governing.

he is not used to the consensus listen to a lot of different opinions and figure that out. he's not used to the, you know, having tens -- hundreds of thousands of people working for him. he's not used to -- i mean, when -- as a new york businessperson, he ran a pretty tight ship in terms of people not leaking, talking publicly about dirty laundry. well, that can't happen. so it's going to be a very different thing for him. >> you still maintain that he has unusually short fingers, right? >> absolutely. and that they said "bigly," but, yeah. >> kurt anderson, stick around. we'll continue this conversation in just a moment. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen to us on the radio at bloomberg 99.1 f.m. we'll be right back. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing. he said humira is for people like me is majority of patients on humira

saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. if you're still just managing your symptoms, talk with your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. if you're going to wish, mommy, yourwish bigme true!

at the lexus december to remember sales event. get up to $2,500 customer cash on select 2016 and 2017 models for these terms. see your lexus dealer. why pause a spontaneous moment? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis.

. we are back with the host the with the most, the host of wync's studio 360 radio, bernie anderson. kurt, i've asked you

impressionistically, liberals, hillary clinton supporters, democrats, where are they again, impression impressionist impressionistically, adjusting to the notion of president trump? >> well, like all trauma and horror, there's a half-life. and in think, you know, people are coming to grips with it. i think -- there are interesting arguments going on among, you know, the liberal elite, in which i spend a lot of time, over okay, should we keep calling every trump voter a racist or not, for instance. and those kind of discussions and debates. but there's also, i will say, a great eagerness among hillary voters, among democrats, among liberals, and not just young ones,d politically in a way that people haven't been beyond, you know,

sharing things on facebook? i mean, creating new entities and joining old entities. so, that seems like a real thing to me. that people are signing up to, you know, for the resistance, quote/unquote. so, now, in your capacity as expert trumpologist, do you agree with me, he cares about what elites in new york think about him. it's not just he likes attention, he wants kurt anderson to think, wow, trump's awesome, right? >> specifically, he wants me to think that. you know, he does care about what elites think. and of course, they've never accepted him. and so, to me, one of the stories of donald trump for the last 30, 40 years in new york city is this bridge and tunnel borrow guy who despite his wealth and success and despite it all, has never really been able to crack the elite.

and he feels that contempt and will continue to feel that contempt. and indeed the fact that voters in michigan and indiana and alabama felt that feeling of contempt of the elite is one of the reasons like, he's like me, but he has $1 billion and a hot wife. >> but do you think it's possible when he's negotiating with republican conservatives in congress, that he'll think, this might be good for a working class voter in indiana, but maureen dowd won't like it one bit. >> well, i think it was, again, it depends on the audience in the moment and who he's trying to get over at a certain moment. that "new york times" meeting was very telling. oh, i think you're going to like what i do on the first amendment. or, you know, i think you're going to like what i do with climate change. well, so, we'll see how passing and glancing that is, or if that's what he had to say that hour in order to have it not be uncomfortable. or if he wants a more meaningful

affirmation from the elite, which he could get. which, if he were smart enough, he wouldn't have to do that much to make people, plenty of people, you, john, me, all of the elite say, you know, i was -- they would say, i'm surprised. he really did do this big infrastructure thing and he didn't do this crazy constitution-busting thing. it wouldn't require very much move to the center sane precincts for him to get the credit that he has always craved. >> do you -- what do you think about what people think about hillary clinton at this point? and how much -- i mean, if i were a partisan democrat, i would be enraged at the clinton campaign. and at the ways in which they failed in some really basic, fundamental political tasks, like the idea that hillary clinton decided not to ever visit wisconsin and that was a state she lost. that this was an eminently

defeatable opponent, that somehow, she managed to screw up and lose states like pennsylvania, like ohio, like michigan, like wisconsin, like iowa, that democrats have won for years, so cycle after cycle, why is -- i don't detect as much rage about that as i expect or expected. >> well, and to lose them -- i mean, if she won -- she lost pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan by a total of 80,000 votes. 80,000 votes, she wins those three states, she'd be president. so, yeah, although, i mean, beyond a certain, you know, pretty small group of professional or quasi-professional democrats like, really, are you -- how much time are you going to spend thinking, oh, the get out the vote thing was bad or she should have gone to michigan more. it's over. it's like saying, oh, we got in this accident and i lost my legs and i'm paralyzed. but if we only -- we could have avoided -- the trauma is too great, i think, to get into the

weeds of recrimination. >> so, you're not going to blame, if you're a democrat, you're not going to blame hillary clinton. but you want to sign up to join the resistance. presumably, you also want to try to rehabilitate the democratic party and figure out why it is the democratic party has -- well, presumably, i assume already a lot of liberals out there, their attitude is, this is what i should be doing. we should be taking on a party that can win back statehouses and win back the presidency, none of which we currently control. so what's that thinking? or are they all turned off -- in your experience, are people turning away from the democratic party? what's the view about that? >> again, i don't -- i've never considered -- i never would have put democrat high in the list of things i consider myself -- >> but you spend a lot of time with a lot of democrats. >> i do. i think a lot of people -- i think the love for barack obama, which is continuing, i think, has made a lot of people feel like sort of obamaites.

which is a preferable brand to being a democrat. i think to the degree -- at least the democrats i knew pip mean, yeah, sure, i knew some enthusiasts for hillary, but not that many. i think a lot of them felt, eh, yeah, i'm a democrat to the degree i'll vote for hillary, but leave me out of it beyond that. and then young people, my children, my millennial children, they don't -- i mean, they are appalled and freaked out by president donald trump, but they're not thinking, necessarily, i'm going to go in and that i think the democratic party. now, they were also bernie sanders primary supporters and remain so. so that battle between, you know, essentially the democratic socialist part of the democratic party and the, you know, mnuchin part of the democratic party, the regular centrist wall street party will be ongoing.

but i don't feel. i guess in the same way -- it's not the same way that the republican trump base rejected the republican establishment, but it's analogous. i don't think there's that much -- there's just like, eh, i don't -- there's not the anger, but there's not the -- i want to -- i am jazzed to fix it, yeah. >> kurt anderson, thank you. we're going to talk about donald trump's thank you tour this week right after this. drastically. ♪ i tried hard to quit smoking. ♪ but when we brought our daughter home that was it. ♪ now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me. can you say thanks nicoderm cq? every great why needs a great how.

i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me... with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it's supposed to do... release its own insulin. trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. i take it once a week, and it works 24/7. it comes in an easy-to-use pen and i may even lose a little weight. trulicity is a once-weekly injectable prescription medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. trulicity is not insulin. it should not be the first medicine to treat diabetes or for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis.

do not take trulicity if you or a family member has had medullary thyroid cancer, if you've had multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to trulicity. stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms such as itching, rash, or trouble breathing; a lump or swelling in your neck; or severe pain in your stomach area. serious side effects may include pancreatitis, which can be fatal. taking trulicity with a sulfonylurea or insulin increases your risk for low blood sugar. common side effects include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, decreased appetite and indigestion. some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may make existing kidney problems worse. with trulicity, i click to activate what's within me. if you want help improving your a1c and blood sugar numbers with a non-insulin option click to activate your within. ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity.

there's some quasi news, maybe some real news on the trump transition today. some very big names are now being floated for some very big positions. trump's team is reportedly considering joe manchin to be energy sector. meanwhile, chris christie is said to be thought of poking around for the republican national committee chair job, and sarah palin is apparently under consideration, amongst several other positions for the veterans affairs veterans department job. so john, do any of these make sense at all? >> well, there's no doubt that it goes to my three choices that the one that makes the most sense is joe manchin for the energy department. and i think it would be an interesting thing to reach out, a good move on trump's part to try to reach out to some democrat, although many democrats don't consider joe manchin to be much of a democrat. he's certainly much more centrist and most more conservative than much of the democratic party. those other two choices, though,

sarah palin for the department of veterans affairs is a laughable choice, not just because she's not a veteran, but because of the size of the challenge of running that department is so big and in so much trouble that putting sarah palin in charge of that seems even more ludicrous than putting chris christie at the top of the rnc, given how many republicans don't like chris christie. >> yeah, i mean, even if you married her up with a deputy secretary who was very detail-oriented, that job is -- requires such intense focus right now. it doesn't really -- it doesn't really make sense to do it for a lot of people. there's also talk tonight that perhaps the secretary of state slot is being expanded in terms of who's being looked at. i thought yesterday that trump was pretty much coming down between romney and bob corker. but now it appears it's possibly being expanded, and it's really become kind of the biggest puzzle, the biggest mystery of where trump's headed. >> we've also seen reporting today, this afternoon, about

james mattis, retired general, who's been considered the front-runner as the potential head of the pentagon, the defense department. that was floated in a couple of news -- from a couple of news sources. the trump campaign knocked it down and said no decision's been made. but i still think it seems like he is the front-runner for that job. i find that one most consequential and potentially most interesting. mattis is obviously very conservative, but many people in the military think he is imminently qualified for that job. the question, though, is whether if he were head of the defense department, whether you or he would be an almost inevitable collision course with the nsc and with general flynt, having two hard-headed the controversial, highly opinionated generals, one inside the white house at the head of the nsc and one at the pentagon, that seems to me to be a recipe for trouble for sure if that's where we end up going. >> one of the things people are wondering is, what kind of national security adviser is flynn going to be? is he going to be the honest

broker model. most people don't think he will. pal how flynn will interact with all the other people in the national security slots, not just defense and state, but also cia, dni and et cetera. could be a fascinating thing to figure out. and what is mike pence's role? what is the president's -- president donald trump's role going to be as well? >> you see my point about mattis? given that he is seen as someone who has very strong opinions, very -- one of his virtues, people say, i don't know the man, but one of the virtues people say he has is that he's a straight talker, willing to express controversial views to anybody. he would be a very strong leader of the pentagon. we have seen turf war between the head of the nsc and particularly the pentagon in the past, again, given those two guys, both ex-generals, both with strong points of view. i just look at that and a, just on the basis of history, that would be one of the very first

big bureaucratic tangles that you see in the trump administration. and maybe the most consequential. >> yep. all right, with donald trump in ohio tonight on the first step of what some call the thank you tour, some call the victory tour, we're going to talk about what it all means after these words from our sponsors. my hygienist said the most random thing.

she said i should think of my teeth like an apple. it could be great on the outside not so great on the inside. her advice? use a toothpaste and mouthwash that strengthens both. go pro with crest pro-health advanced. it's uniquely formulated with activestrength technology to strengthen teeth inside and is better at strengthening the outside than colgate total. crest toothpaste and mouthwash makes my whole mouth feel amazing. advance to healthier gums and stronger teeth from day one. my check-up was great. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure

and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the only brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp.

batting cleanup tonight is mateah gold joining us from "the washington post" newsroom. i have so many questions for you, but let's start with the questions of whether what you thought about yesterday's trump statement with relation to how he may or may not try to disen tangle himself from his business ventures. you cover a lot about the nexus between money and politics. we talked about this yesterday on the show, what are your thought? >> it doesn't actually really answer any questions about whether he's going to be able to effectively wall himself off from these potential conflicts of interest. i mean, he had already indicated

that he was going to hand over the management of the trump organization to his children. but that doesn't change his ownership or the fact that his name is emblazoned on all of these hotels and resorts. i think that, really, the devil's in the details. it was very interesting to see the normally stayed office of governmental ethics sort of overtaken by a strange tweet storm yesterday, suggesting that he needed to divest himself of all of his holdings, which i think we're very unlikely to see. >> so seems to me we're kind of headed on a collision course right here, where basically every ethics specialist, republican and democrat alike, all kind of agree that the only way to really deal with this conflict of interest thing is for him to liquidate all of his businesses, put all the money in a blind trust. it seems like he's not interested in doing either one of those things, liquidating or a blind trust. if we're on that collision course, what happens then if trump takes some half-measures.

what's the next actual step in the world that will occur? >> well, i think unless there's some real measure put into place to flag potential conflicts that showcases an effort by the administration to really avoid some of these land mines, every single time there is a policy issue before the new president that intersects with his business interests, this is going to be a story and he's going to have to answer questions about it. so i know that they realize this and they're deep in kind of conversation and planning of trying to deal with this. and several people have suggested that perhaps he should appoint some kind of independent overseer who could flag potential conflicts, but we've -- this is unprecedented. we've never had a president with this kind of holdings, both in the united states and abroad. so i think it's going to be something that's going to dog him every step of the way in every decision he makes. >> matea, speaking of precedent,

washington is full of lobbyists. hoe do you think they know their viewing of what's happening with carrier and the implications of that right now, not just come january? >> we've been doing some reporting about this today. and i think there's no question that trump's decision to personally get involved in this case and also pledged to crack down on companies and punish them with consequence ifs they try to move their operations overseas has really engendered a lot of worries in the corporate suites. and i think what's really alarming businesses that are otherwise pretty happy about the, say, cabinet appointments that he's making is this sense of uncertainty. are they going to be targeted next, are they going to come under pressure for trying to outsource some jobs, so i think there's a lot of consternation right now, in the business community, about how this is going to play out. >> is it clear which lobbyists or lobbying firms are now, you know, based on some sort of more sieved or actual closeness to trump or trump's world are being

highly sought after for corporate interests? >> obviously, anyone who's worked for the vice president-elect, mike pence, is in high demand. we're also seeing lobbyist who is worked for jeff sessions coming aboard as lobbyists. and anyone who has a connection to the new cabinet is going to be sought after. and i think we're also going to see probably, despite the trump transition's pledge to keep lobbyists far from the administration, we're going to see a lot of folks plays a big role. they simply have to deregister as lobbyists, and it appears they can play a role in both the transition and potentially in the executive branch. >> there's obviously a lot of noise, matea, about the goldman sachs heaviness, of what seems to be shaping up of the trump administration, especially gary cohn running the office of management and budget. a lot of squawking about this. a lot of people pointing out the hypocrisy of it, given the way that trump attacked hillary clinton for her connections to wall street and to goldman sachs

in particular. will anything come of that, do you think, or does trump pretty much have a free hand to dip as deeply as he wants to in the goldman pool? >> i think it will be very interesting to see how he's received at these thank you rallies, the victory tours he's going out. really, this is the first time we have a chance to see his reporters respond to him since he's made these decisions. i don't know how much of the intricacies of the names being bloated has sunk in with people, but there's no question that there's been a lot of focus on the fact that trump's cabinet is going to be filled with billionaires, with donors, with people who come from wall street. and so i don't think it's a koibs dense that today they wanted to triumph the carrier deal and really give a nod to his pledge to working people. but that's going to be a balancing act for him. he has connections and ties to these folks and, you know, these are people he knows and he trusts and he wants to put in these positions. but it also seems to cut against the rhetoric he used repeatedly on the campaign trail, attacking hillary clinton. >> we talked earlier on the show

about trump and congress and potential areas of common ground and potential areas where there could be trouble ahead. just give us a sense of what, as you look down the road, where you think the biggest potential stumbling blocks are in terms of how trump's going to work with republicans to put aside the democrats for now? >> well, i think immigration will be something to watch. i think there's a lot of anxiety, particularly on the house side, about whether they will be forced to try to craft some kind of bill that will answer the broad policy goals that he has laid out. those are the kind of details that i think a lot of congressional leaders don't want to necessarily get into when it comes to a wall. and you know, corporate tax reform is something that there's a lot of on the muscle about and paul ryan said it again today, he sort of deflected on the question about carrier, and said, well, i don't really know all the details of the incentive program, but, you know, what we're pushing is a broad corporate tax reform that will be a boon to all businesses. so, i think that's where we're going to see a lot of action and some, perhaps, avoidance of where the hot-button issues that

got a lot of attention during the campaign. >> matea, at this point, what are your unanswered questions about how trump is organizing his government? >> i'm very curious about what kind of access people have who weren't part of the inner circle, who weren't necessarily trump loyalists. he is clearly bringing in people to meet with him, who were not part of the campaign or are even democrats. you know, how much of those conversations are really shaping his thinking? i mean, i think it's interesting how struck he was by his conversation with romney and whether he obviously gets tapped as secretary of state will be very telling. but i do think there's going to be a little bit of a battle here between the people who have been at his side for a long time and some of the newer voices who are coming in now to influence the administration. >> all right. matea gold, the great, matea gold, thank you for being on the show. it was a delight, as always. and we'll be right back with a special word about tomorrow's program.

look at this... a silicon valley server farm. the vault to man's greatest wonders... selfies, cat videos and winking emojis. speaking of tech wonders, with the geico app you can get roadside assistance, digital id cards... or even file a claim. do that.. yeah, yeah that should work. it's not happening... just try again. uh, i think i found your problem. thanks. hmm... the award-winning geico app. download it today. which is good for me a 200-degree range of sight... hey! ... and bad for the barkley twins. take care of all your most important parts with centrum. with our most vitamin d three ever. ...one of many pieces in my i havlife.hma... so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece

in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. see if you're eligible for 12 months free at mybreo.com. i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. give it. sure! it's free for everyone. oh! well that's nice! and checking your score won't hurt your credit.

oh! i'm so proud of you. well thank you. free at at discover.com/creditscorecard, even if you're not a customer. ♪ ♪ get up to $2500 customer cash on select 2016 and 2017 models for these terms. see your lexus dealer. i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com.

hey, mark, i bet you weren't aware that today is our 525th episode of "with all due respect," and you might be more aware of what tomorrow is. what's tomorrow? not only is it our 526th. it's also our -- go ahead, say it. oh, come on! our last. >> are you talking to me? >> yeah, our last. >> it's our last regularly scheduled episode of the show. the show is ending tomorrow. we'll have a very special, special episode for you. you won't want to miss it. >> because you've got jeff gold bloom, jeff daniels -- >> shsh, shsh! >> i can't say who's on the show? >> we've got a lot of surprises, a lot of special surprises. >> a lot of surprises. they're big and they're special. >> farewell to the north american viewing audience. >> a lot of the montages.

you'll laugh and you'll cry, until our last daily show, i'll say, to you, from me, and from mark, the word we love most, sayonara. and good evening from new york. 7:00 eastern time. brian williams here with you. chris matthews is off tonight, but we're also coming on the air to bring you live event coverage. we're going to take you out to cincinnati, ohio, where the president-elect is going to hold his first campaign-style rally since becoming president-elect three weeks ago. and also as a practical matter, tonight may be the most we have heard from the president-elect in a non-say-twitter form in quite some time. he's on a kind of "thank you" tour for the folks who put