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tonight a toast in our shared cocktail glasses, sappy and semi-sober. hold the blue cheese olives. most things, even the good ones in life, are ephemeral. we conclude what is a very memorable, sleep-deprived, roughly two years of this program "with all due respect." we've got a very special show planned for you tonight with some very special and very familiar guests. the words of the greatest american poet and philosopher, taylor swift, i'm dying to see how this one ends. let's start with news and our final check-in on donald trump's admin building efforts. last night during his rally in cincinnati, the president-elect let slip he will be tapping retired marine general "mad dog" mattis. and announced a february forum at the white house, a business advisers, that will include the titans of the american corporate world, including the blackstone
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ceo, and jamie dimon, general motor ceo mara, and the main man at the walt disney company, bob iger. this is as surprising as it is impressive. what do you make of the corporate giants signing up to help the next president? >> we've been having a discussion in our world since donald trump got elected about the question of normalizing donald trump. he was an abnormal candidate in a lot of ways, and violated a lot of democratic norms, a lot of traditions, a lot of established ways of doing things. this is, you know, it was inevitable if he won that there would be the capitulation on the part of a lot of others before. but this group, many republicans, some democrats, this is a sign that the normalization is not complete. because donald trump is still abnormal in a lot of ways and should have treated as such. but a lot of people in the business world, a lot of people in the political world are like, this man, he's president-elect, and we can hold him accountable
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in various ways. but he's going to be treated like a normal president. >> i have to say, five, six months ago when he would talk about certain people who might serve in his candidate, they would tell people quietly, i'm not serving in that guy's candidate, i am surprised not just at the recruitment of mattis who many people in the establishment are wildly enthusiastic about, but the recruitment of this group, even though it's just an advisory meeting, is to me -- i want to say stunning. it takes a lot to stun me. about you this surprises me a great deal that some of these people are putting their name down to kick off the add m. they'll be in the midst of the legislative agenda. a lot of them will endorse the trump agenda. >> here's why i'm not surprised in the end. i say this with some regret and ruefulness. but ideals, political positions, ideology, for all that stuff, for corporate leaders in the end, it's about the bottom line. for political leaders, it's about power. and this guy is going to be
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president. and a lot of them are like, you know, i can sit at a cocktail party and dinner party and complain about him and say he's not fit for office, but his policy decisions are going to affect my bottom line. >> they invited me and i'm flattered and will go. >> whether they're flattered or not, i'm not going to give the middle finger to a guy who's going to be setting tax policies in the country. >> my respect for a lot of people on this list is quite high, like bob iger. the fact that they're willing to put their brand next to the first month of the trump administration, i'll say again, it's pretty surprising to me. i get everything you're saying. i'll just say, in some visceral way, this is as much as anything that's happened since he's been elected says to me, he's got a chance to balance the abnormal and the totally different, with the conventional. this could not be a more conventional thing for a president-elect to do to invite this group of people to the white house in the beginning. >> there will be millions of
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americans who continue to believe donald trump is really not their president. and will probably carry the banner. not my president, not legitimate, not going to accept him. but in the realm of corporate america, and in the halls of congress, those people, many of whom trashed donald trump six months ago, they're now acceding to the reality of it and making peace the best they can. there's at least one group like the one i was just talking about who's not ready to accept a trump presidency. that would be hillary clinton's inner sick will and campaign who took part in a forum earlier this week. it is a tradition every four years. campaign strategists gather in cambridge to hash out a first draft of election history. this year's events started with moderator andrea mitchell, in the spirit of reconciliation. by the end, both sides had completely lost their cool. exhibit one. this biting exchange between trump campaign manager kellyann conway and jennifer palmeri.
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>> if providing a platform for white supremacists makes me a brilliant tactician, i'm glad to have lost. give me a minute, david. when i am more proud of hillary clinton's all right speech than any other moment on the campaign. she had the courage to stand up -- i would rather lose than win the way you guys did. >> you didn't look me in the face -- >> you did. >> wait. >> do you think you could have -- >> you guys are -- >> the white working class voters. >> we're going to have our dollop of campaign reflections from joel at that event in cambridge and will be with us in just a moment. not seeming to grasp how their candidate came up short. from what you heard at harvard, a scale from one to godzilla, yeah, there he is, a scale of
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one to godzilla, how much is the hillary clinton campaign still in denial. >> you would say it would be close to godzilla. but in fact it's a three. they don't want to blame each other publicly. behind the scenes, though, there's a much greater recognition of the things that went wrong. but i will say, i thought that the tone of that thing was horrible. a lot of people i've known on both sides and respect, i did not like to see what it escalated to. but the reality is, if you lose a race by that few votes, you can point to a thousand things. they're pointing to the ones that are politically and personally safest places to be. i do think that publicly, they're not giving anything like a complete explanation. >> you know, i've been to a lot of those ar shard events. the first wron i went to in my life was 1988 at the kennedy school of government. i came to watch. the george h.w. bush's campaign
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ran a campaign to destroy mike dukakis. susanestrich on one side, and this kind of emotion. there's occasionally you get a campaign like that. where one side feels not only like they lost, lost surprisingly as with the case with dukakis who thought they had the election in the bag for many months, but lost in a way where they felt the other side played way outside the lines and ran a dirty and unprecedented campaign. i think that give everybody -- both sides -- the trump people who are spiking the football in an unpleasant way, the clinton people who are still obviously emotional and overwrought about it, give them a little time. it's not about denial, but the emotions are still so close to the surface people need more time to get to proper understanding of what took place. >> the comparisons are apt. the caucus people thought the bush people won in an illegitimate way. in this case, the passion within
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the clinton campaign of saying, there were dog whistles, there were inappropriate appeals, there were things way -- well over the line. is pretty heart-felt. but over time, i think we'll learn that they see it more in a 360 way. the other factors that played a role. including some divisions within the campaign of how they should have campaigned. >> one thing that i don't think will go away, i think they'll still think that donald trump was running a racist campaign, and provided a platform for white nationalism. and i think they'll be right about those things. but better understand their failures in addition to -- they'll maintain that consistency. but i think they'll better understand the things they did wrong than they do today. >> can you imagine if steve ban none showed up? >> joel bennenson is here on this set for a final farewell. after these words from our sponsors.
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it's clear, you won the electoral college. don't pretend you have a popular mandate for the message. >> i want to go back to the 306 that we won. that's how you win the presidency, and we did it. >> that was a bit more from the campaign strategist from the institute of politics earlier this week. we could not think of a better newsmaker to make scorching news on our final show than the man from queens, never backs down from a verbal brawl. we're talking about joe benenson. great to see you. here's my biggest question does not relate to your argument over mandates, but relates to this. you were involved in the barack obama's campaign in 2008 and 2012. in this election, you were not close to accurate. across a wide variety of states.
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what caused you guys to get it so wrong? >> i think that's a tough question. i think it was always a bit of a volatile electorate. i think that we saw things consolidating after the third debate. we always had the third-party candidate which was a big difference between the previous two elections. one thing that surprised me throughout the fall, especially post-convention, i've been in races with third-party candidates, you start to see them drift off, especially as you get into sft, and late september. it was staying between 8% and 11%. that's a variable that's hard to control and very hard to account for as you get closer to election day. we were always looking at groups of defectors. because we ask the two-way question first, and then the four-way. there was a point, and we this i, i'm pretty certain from our data, that one of the things that happened was 11 days out, jim comey made the announcement and put the e-mail issue back into play against all fbi precedence. we saw trump defectors
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consolidate, and ours coming to us post-debate stuff, it was like a wall went up. and they drifted away after that again. and that was a big chunk. when you look at the numbers, you can see the clear dividing line by ablg on who voted third party, who stayed in the third party lane and who didn't. >> do you believe comey's second announ announcement helped trump? >> i think anytime comey spoke at that point helped trump. it puts the issue back out there again. he was leveraging it, slamming it up against the wall with his tennis racket, you know, playing squash if you will with nobody else on the court because of that. >> just to be clear in case you didn't have time to watch me talk about this over the lasts couple of months, i think what comey did is one of the most outrageous things i've seen in history. >> i agree with that, too, by the way, which gets closed over a lot. >> although you guys praised him at the time. you did.
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>> yeah. we did, because you've got to realize, it's after 15 months, right? >> but it could have been a mistake to embrace him, right? >> no, i think that -- look, we're talking about fbi procedures. and what a prosecutor should or shouldn't say when they are -- do not have a case to prosecute. >> what could you have done differently to perhaps head off the problem, or nothing? >> what's happening is momentum stops. our leads tighten up in states, right? we still believe by election day we can win this thing, right? variable there is what happens with third-party voters and undecideds. at the end of the day we're looking across three states, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, 70,000 votes is what makes the difference between hillary clinton being president-elect and donald trump being president-elect. in the last 11 days to have to be dealing with that under any circumstances was probably -- >> sub-optimal. >> too big a hill to climb obviously. >> wisconsin, a state that she never visited throughout the
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entire general election. and yet you lost it. right? i mean, presumably your sophisticated data operation should have known earlier that this was potentially vulnerable. that seems to me like malpractice, to lose a state that was a battleground state and have never sent your candidate there. >> well, look, you know, it's easy to with 20/20 hindsight to say that's malpractice to me. you're making judgments on how close it is and how much time you have left. we went to pennsylvania at the end, north carolina. >> places like arizona, where she ended up not being close. you talked about missouri and all these -- >> we did not go to missouri. >> you spent money in georgia, in states that were -- >> the only two states we considered going into were georgia and arizona. when you talk about georgia, we lost georgia by six points. if you look at that map and say, we lose georgia by six points and we don't win wisconsin, you say, what's going on here. i'm looking at that going, what
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happened here. >> on questions of members of the obama coalition, particularly nonwhite voters, you guys put a lot of faith in president obama's abilities, especially with african-american voters. since the election we've had a variety of black people here, speakers, talkers, guests on the show who said that they thought obama's strategy basically of saying too african-americans, i'll take this personally if you don't vote for me was a mistake. and that it didn't help. not only did it not help, it was kind of condescending and hurt. can you accept now that might be true? do you look back and think maybe the reliance on the obamas to try to help with the members of the coalition, that obama built, was the wrong strategy? >> you know, that's a close call. you had both -- it's like yesterday we started the conversation off by talking about strengths and weaknesses. i think when you have things that are advantages, can they become a disvapg at a certain point, overplay a hands with them? i think that's one of the multitude of things to look at, where the value of the folks was clear. running against somebody who's got republicans publicly walking
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away from him, de noubsing him saying basically our message, and we have two highly liked former president, current president, first lady, et cetera, so it's hard to sit here today and say, did we overuse them, did we not use it strategically? i think in hindsight looking back at the schedule is something probably everybody's poring over right now and saying should we have done something differently. but that's not going to change anything that happened on november 8th. where does it get us. >> how is the clinton political family? you and your colleagues? how are you dealing with what had happened? >> you mean losing? >> yeah. losing to someone who all the people in your -- >> i think on -- look, i think there is a bigger question here about what president-elect trump means for the country going forward. i think there's going to be a very lot of high bars and high tests that he's going to have to clear and demonstrate. >> on the human level --
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>> the most gratifying races to win, like on their side, are close races that no one expects you to win. the hardest ones that you lose are the ones when everyone expects you to win and it's close and you lose it close. because you're always going to pick over it and say, like you guys are doing right now, what the hell could we have done differently. we can pore over this for as long as we want. but we have to go on and go to the next step. what i said to the people in campaign headquarters the day after election day, you've got to hold your head up and we go out to fight another day. >> will you come back on monday? oh, wait, we're actually not on the air monday. >> then i will definitely be back on monday. >> you'll be the first guest on the show after it's off the air. you're one of the great guests in the history of the show. we'll be back with hall of fame all due respect guests right after this. breaking news. the jury in the walter scott
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shooting has gone home for the weekend and will resume deliberations monday morning. there's apparently one holdout juror in this case so far. the jury deadlocked about the guilt or innocence of police officer michael slager. the case got national attention after this video was released showing scott running away as he was shot by officer slager. scott was originally stopped for a broken taillight. the jury back on monday morning, "with all due respect" resumes right after this. stay with us. [burke] hot dog. seen it. covered it.
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our next guest tonight is five guests tonight, all bffs of this program. on our coach, the core founder of the campbell brown. and paul ryan adviser. and reigning champion. >> it's not nothing. >> more than nothing. and it would not be a senior or junior block without harold ford jr., the former u.s. congressman from tennessee, back when tennessee elected lots of democrats. and from the city of angels, republican strategist, the former director of jeb bush's super pac, mike murphy. and a man who always has a right to rise on this program. we're doing rapid round here on the last program. starting with the question, campbell, what was the seminal moment of 2016 in clinton versus trump? >> the seminal moment? i was going to say the whole campaign was the moment when
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he -- when it became clear to everyone that he was actually going to be the nominee. it was like we were in this fog. i think people in the media, i think elites, the pontificators never thought it would happen. we felt that way really through the ed of the campaign. very obviously. it was, you know, if there was a seminal moment, it was election night when it really smacked everybody in the face that this is real. >> what was the seminal moment, dan? >> i think -- i'm going to choose -- my wife would agree. the "access hollywood" tape. because i think it lodged the clinton campaign to a false sense of complacency. at that moment, they thought, he's doomed. they sort of delegitimized him as the commander in chief. then they were talking about georgia and utah and playing in arizona, it was all about expanding the map. and they completely ignored the base. they lost about 100,000 votes in three states. >> that's a good answer.
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is there any way in which it was seminal in which it revealed the current president-elect to be a sexual predator? >> i would say in terms of the impact it had. i think it changed the strategy of one of the campaigns and led to them ignoring something that was -- >> good answer. bob, what was your seminal moment? >> i think there were two and they're related to each other. one, we had a much more civil political conference at usc this week. mike murphy was there and joel benenson was there. comey had a big impact. i think that really probably did stop the momentum. i think joel's right about that. but the campaign bears responsibility for the moment when they decided, somehow or other, that they were not going to have an economic argument, a comparative economic argument in case that they were going to prosecute in those rust belt states against the republican nominee. you have to change so few votes to change the outcome of the
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election. the obama model was there. there was a way to go after his business record. tie it to his economic policies. change 30,000 votes, 35,000 votes, and she's president of the united states. >> harold? >> i agree with all of these things. >> the uniter. >> no, but i think the comey thing, no doubt. i don't think there's any doubt to campbell's point and your point about the tape. i thought the night in which -- i can't remember who performed. it might have been jay-z and beyonce, who i'm fans of. but i watched that rally, then i watched trump say, i don't have j. lo, or beyonce or jay-z, just me and my family. at that moment, it crystallized for me that he is the economic champion. he was the champion voice for mid dal class america. the momentum had stopped. you could feel in looking at some of the polling data that the movement was not what we wanted on her behalf. >> mike murphy, your seminal moment, please? >> i'll quif you a double one. i think the much heralded, much
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we're back with a group of guests that were so nice we wanted to have them on twice tonight. mike murphy, you were saying seminal moments. go. >> the convention, the hillary clinton convention, much praised including by me. but when you look back at it, it shows the head of the democratic party and clinton messaging was a lot on bathrooms and identity, not a lot on spot welding and lost jobs. when trump attacked mccain on july 18th, 2015, and nothing happened bad to him, in fact, he went up a little, that was an early canary in the coal mine that it was going to be a different kind of election. >> you want to fight -- >> i don't want to fight with
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him. but i think it's easy -- comey is an easy punching bag. but if you rewind the tape, march of 2015, when "the new york times" did the first thing about the server, once that came out, that was it. there was a trust bothiness issue that continued throughout the campaign that was impossible for her to get away with. i know comey is easy to blame at the end, but she had that problem for about a year and a half as a result of her own making. >> no doubt about that. >> i don't disagree with that. that was the original sin. but if you talk about what effect did the vote at the end. what was seminal in the sense of having an impact, i think it was first comey who brought the e-mail issue alive again, and secondly, it was the fact that as mike said, and i said earlier, there was no economic and jobs argument particularly in those rust belt states. that's what obama did to romney, as you know, in 2012 and that is the model that should have been pursued here. >> but sh woe have gotten out of
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trouble a lot better had she let the energy out of the lion's stinking camp believe argument. it was a huge mistake from the beginning, part of their culture i'm afraid that they got into a defensive crouch and dug deeper. i agree with bob it was the comey event that froze the race. but ultimately she kind of owns that problem. >> all right. in this new york studio, i want to ask, we asked about the most seminal moment of 2016. this is an appalling campaign. what's most appalling, disgusting, ridiculous hard moment of the campaign 2016? >> the moment that offended me the most is when he questioned the judge out of indiana and suggested that no politician could take an oath of office and be trusted because every oath given would be predicated on their racial and ethnic makeup. meaning no black could be fair to anyone to blacks, whites to whites, jews to jews, muslims to muslims. as someone who respects people in office, but there were many.
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we could write a book on this one. >> the most appalling -- >> i want to say, i'm seconding harold. because i feel like a lot of the other appalling moments were like, this efelt like one-offs. you could kind of put it back in the bottle and say, this is -- this was the question of an idea. >> we didn't talk about this. >> yeah, we did. >> for his own personal interests. >> the idea that harold just articulated was appalling. >> the powerful moment when you have a junior, senior agreement round. >> for women, obviously the tape. when the tape came out, it was like a knife in your stomach. and i think for a lot of women, they'll never get over that. but every time the media, cable news, took one of his rallies live early on in the campaign and the culmination of the media
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coverage, that it became clear that they were going to cover him in the interest of ratings and not in the interest of journalism, was absolutely appalling. >> two votes for judge curiel, one for the "access hollywood" tape and jeff zucker. we know what you were talking about. bob, what appalled you? most appalling. >> look, it started on the very first day when he came down the escalator and said mexicans were rapists. the problem was it was appalling but it was also fascinating and mesmerizing to the clinton campaign. it became their bright shining object. they kind of ran a one-kim mention al argument that he was unif it to be president. i agree with that, but i live in los angeles. they needed to make a broader argument. >> everything he did, dating back before 2016, all the way back to may of 2015. >> no, i just said there were a number of events that occurred during that campaign.
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on his part that were pretty appalling. >> mike, give me most appalling moment in 2016. go. >> i'll lump them together. it was the debates becoming an applause meter roman circus show. that was the worst moment of the whole campaign in the primary. >> you can't say that on tv. >> yes, you can. >> you can now. >> and i was smiling when i said it. >> mike murphy, you know what's going to happen now? the show's going to go off the air because of you. >> who thought we could sit here two and a half years without me uttering a profanity on the air? go, mike go. >> how do you fix this? audience lists debates. >> absolutely, dan. i think time to get the circus elements out of it. and put them naked on a rock in the lights and see what they know. >> we love the circus on this show. and we love all of you. by the way -- >> we love you, too.
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oh, yeah. another round of guests for you. alex wagner, cbs news correspondent. and jim, new york columnist for "the new york times." in washington, democratic strategist, the co-founder of purple strategies, steve mcmann. and back with us in los angeles, the republican strategist mike murphy still with us. steve mcmann, start with you. who is the one person most likely to stand in the way of donald trump's agenda, not counting donald trump himself? which would be too easy. >> i actually think, this may surprise you, paul ryan and the republicans in congress who are probably going to stand up to him relatively soon on infrastructure. i suspect on a number of matters that he proposes if he wants to pursue them. so i don't really think it's going to require the democrats in the first instance, because i think he's going to have problems in his own party. >> that's a good answer. i think the republican establishment is going to prove
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to be a thorn in his side on a number of policies. i think bernie sanders or elizabeth warren, because it's so much of trump's message in the coming months, could prove to be difficult for him. >> who's your nominee to stand up to trump and slow him down or stop him? >> i would say mitch mcconnell. sort of the group of donors who have spent so much money ensuring that american policy was pro-trade, pro-chamber of commerce. >> mike murphy? >> you know, i think it might be the lefty democrats. i agree if trump does want to start a trade war or something like that, mitch and ryan will be an obstacle. but i think bernie and elizabeth warren and the senate are both going to go for that. >> that's a good place to pick up the next question, who has the greatest hope of being the focal point of the revival of the distribute party, if there's going to be one. mike, who do you think the
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single person is who might emerge? >> it's early to guess, but i think the big dynamics are going to be elizabeth warren and somebody. the race will be who is going to be the somebody. that's unclear now. but there's an opportunity. i mean, trump is unpopular enough, underestimate of the decade, in the democratic world -- out here in california, they're beating their dream catchers into weapons they're so mad. that's going to be the jump paul to get that slot, the anti-trump. that's worth a lot in democratic politics. >> steve, what do you think? >> obviously elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are going to fight for the control of the progressive wing of the party. i think a lot of democrats are looking for new leadership. i think cory booker and some of the up-and-coming stars in the party who haven't gotten as much attention because they've abouten surrounded by barack obama and the clintons, are now going to be able to break out. >> wagner? >> i think new is imperative. i think we should definitely look toward the senate.
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i think the incoming female senators, very strong, look to them to be a new leader sort of generation of democratic leadership. >> as number four here, i would say harris. but more importantly maybe somebody we're not thinking about because that party needs new leadership that will have some of the progressives of sanders, of warren. maybe a new, younger face. >> you said a business person. we saw they had a starbucks stepping down. does anybody think the democratic party might be to fight back against a republican, now republican business person with a democratic business person? >> i think there will be a lot of pressure to do that. economics is going to be the message number one. i think a more conventional model of democrat will be attractive to a wing of the party. but i think ultimately, trump's populist message is undeniable. there is going to be a deep desire, i think, from the grass roots of the democratic party to have a, quote unquote, fighter. >> he's the rare businessman who
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can play off a populist persona. most can't do that. >> murphy, mark cuban? mark cuban? >> you know, maybe -- i think it's interesting to listen to my democratic friends here, i'm hearing candidates who are strong in the identity politics wing of the democratic peat. that's exactly what got him into trouble this team. who is the young generational populist. maybe it's a cuban, but it could be a governor. but there aren't any democratic governors left. that's the vacuum they've got left. they have to learn how to solve it and not go back to the same old stuff. >> steve, do you think democrats need to just basically adopt the mcconnell model of no compromise, no work with trump, just fight, fight, fight onning, or do you think there are places democrats should agree with donald trump? >> on the scope he's suggesting, democrats should run to embrace it and pass it with democratic votes. i think the democratic party would be well advised to fight
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for the people who are middle class, as mike suggests, who want an economy that works for them. if donald trump is willing to put forward a proposal that helps them do that, they should support him. and they should fight him on every single thing that doesn't. >> a question we asked the last round of guests. seminal moment of 2016. >> seminal moment? i would rather be fourth on this one. >> you can't always get what you want. >> can i talk about it in the media frame since i'm a media columnist? from my lens, the seminal moment -- there were so many, but the seminal moment when donald trump gave election night press conference during the primaries and it was carried live by all of the networks and he used it to do an infomercial on his brand of steaks. i think that was a symbolically -- >> right in front of the smithsonian. alex? >> this was not acknowledged as such. first debate, donald trump was actually winning the beginning of that first debate because he took hillary clinton on the issue of trgs pp and said nobody believes that this is how you're
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going to govern. nobody believes your message on the economy and on trade. and that was the nugget of his argument that i think won him the presidency. >> steve mcmann? >> so with the wind at his back and headed toward a first or second-place finish in new hampshire, marco rubio inexplicitly turned into a robot during that debate two days before new hampshire. which not only cost him his opportunity to take down donald trump, but probably the last moment that anybody had a chance to do it. and he was the last guy who could have. and he froes. >> as we say in new hampshire, a wicked good answer. pretty big moment. all right. steve mcmahon, mike murphy, jim, alex, thank you all. next up, a very, very special super-duper to reflect right after this.
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other the life of this show, we prided our receives on focusing on the nexus of culture. we reached out to some of our friends and fans from the show from the entertainment world. we asked them to help us with a little highlight reel we put together in the spirit of auld lang syne. hope you enjoy it. >> the year was 2014. the news media was, well, you know what the news media was. and there was a need for something different. so bloomberg gave us "with all due respect." over two years, mark hallprin
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would report from a dozen and a half debates, and eat an uncountable number of pork tenderloins. as the 2016 campaign came into full swing, the show grew from a half hour to a full hour, msnbc picked it up. and their official vine account drew more than 1,800 followers. by the way, very few people know that this theme music for the show was composed by rizzo. that's why john tweeted it 77 times. anyway, by the end of the cycle, only hillary clinton had refused to be interviewed on wadr, and look what happened to her. but all the other presidential candidates were, as they say, down with the program. bernie sanders, ted cruz, donald
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trump, john kasich, lindsay graham, even evan mcmullen for heaven's sakes. >> did you ever kill anybody? >> being a guest on "with all due respect" was like being at a movie for the first time. it was exciting, a little confusing. [ bleep ], [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. and when it was all over, you asked yourself, am i getting paid for this? >> i don't know what the [ bleep ] you're talking about. his tiny hands? >> the producers always make sure the interviews were con ducked at the highest professional standard. >> very dressy. >> oh! >> oh, my goodness. >> with piercingly insightful research, they brought up segments that brought out the best of everyone that came on the show, gently pushing us out of our comfort zones.
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>> i just drink wine. >> this is what the political world wanted. >> okay, let's see. oh! >> like all shows on cable news, "with all due respect" was not without its criticism. and sometimes critics made good points. >> i've never known of a greater oxymoron than you two guys, having a show entitled "with all due respect." >> hey, i came up with that name. senator, "with all due respect." other people have some alternative ideas for the name. >> like the gong show. >> the interviews did not always go as planned, which means viewers never saw clips like this one. >> are you going to spend this entire interview trying to make us make comparisons to the real world, you're going to find yourself very frustrated. >> in the end, it was a show that always stayed hungry.
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>> everything goes better with cap n kruchblg. crunch. >> watching "with all due respect" can make you feel a lot of things. it can make you laugh and cry at the same time. >> ted cruz needs to win it as much as john snow needs a fresh pair of pants. that's all so funny. >> are you crying? >> one thing we'll always remember is how mark and john made the most of their state of the art set. >> we just don't threaten to throw people off balconies arn here. oops, sorry. >> mark and john always took everything in moderation. >> i enjoy this guy! >> credit where it's due. they had a pretty cool green screen operation. >> for the brouhaha -- >> we promise to keep it down tonight. >> also, countless terrific
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correspondents. >> a fellow named nick clag. >> he's only 17. >> you can tell a lot of resources went in to bringing in the foremost experts in the political arena. >> clear of the negative attacks, please. >> now, 24 days after the presidential election, mark and john are appearing on their final regularly scheduled episode of "with all due respect." with the campaign over, a new chapter is going to begin in this ever-changing media landscape. and, no, they haven't told me if they're writing another book.
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>> we'll let you know about that, jeff. thanks again to everyone who helped with that piece, especially our wacked-out, possibly stoned and definitely brilliant core of producers and editors who long before that piece did so much to make wadr unique and special. we'll be right back. many people clean their dentures with toothpaste or plain water. and even though their dentures look clean, in reality they're not. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture,
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who tuned in day after day, week after week, putting up with all of our nonsense. we'll be back on inauguration week for a curtain call of sorts. but for now, one last time, we saw to you, one, two, three, sighs si a nara! let's play "hardball." of. good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. it's been nearly a month since the election. but for many, it's more than a little bitterness out there. last night donald trump held a thank you rally in cincinnati amid chants of lock her up from the crowd. trump reminisced about how much fun it was battling hillary clinton. >> i'm going to discuss our action plan to make america great again. we're going to discuss it.
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