hello everyone. i'm stephanie gosk in new york at msnbc world headquarters. high noon in the east, 9:00 out west. here's what's happening. war of words. the trump camp bitterly pushing back on newspaper reports that suggest russia tried to help donald trump win the presidency over hillary clinton. drama building in baltimore, it's the annual army/navy game. we'll take you there live as a short time from now president-elect donald trump is expected to arrive. so-called pizzagate, a new twist on that restaurant that

got caught up in a fake news story that could have ended much worse than it did. >> plus a wintry blast, bitter cold in large parts of the country. we'll tell you where the worst is headed today. which begin with politics and new reaction to the "new york times" and "washington post" reports with russia intervening in the presidential election. harry reid earlier today told my colleague that the reports believe director jim comey had the information before the election. >> i do z not believe that comey was the new j. edgar hoover. i thought that he would do the right thing for the country. comey, who is of course a republican, refused to divulge this information regarding russia and the presidential election. >> do you believe that jim comey should resign, in the reid? >> of course, yes. also new reaction from the rnc communications director on

whether the president-elect should have had a stronger response against russia in light of these reports. >> i am outraged. i don't think any foreign entity, any individual, any -- >> well why don't you say that and why didn't trump say that? >> i'm saying it. i just said it. stop and let me -- okay, i just said it, let me actually take yes for an answer. i said it. okay? i don't think donald trump doesn't think, no one thinks that a foreign entity should be interfering with a u.s. election, bottom line, full stop, i said it. now the next thing, what proof has anyone vf the effect of the outcome because i heard zero, okay? >> the trump transition team released a statement last night and without criticizing the cia by name said "these are the same people that said saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction. the election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest electoral college victories in history. it's now time to move on and

make america great again." for more let's go to hans nichols at the white house. is reaction falling along party lines or is there an expectation that senate republicans may help push the investigation forward? >> reporter: there's not a real break on party lines. lindsey graham said he thought an investigation should go forward. there was something here and we heard from senator harry reid and listen to how he is trying to sew division among republican ranks. >> i believe lindsey graham is a voice of concern. he's a good lawyer and i think that he should get involved in this. i think with his doing that with the voice he has, i think he'll bring in some of the republican moderates, there aren't many, but i think he'll bring in some because this is really important. >> reporter: two separate tracks

a congressional investigation, either senate or house side into russia's role in this location and the other one stephanie is at the white house. president barack obama ordered a review, he wants this done by january 20th, what intelligence officials knew not just about russia interfering in the u.s. election but potential other state or non-state actors. that train has left, that review will likely be published and you'll see the white house hand it off to the next president. whether or not donald trump accepts the findings of that review it's clear there's indication trump will be pretty skeptical. stephanie? >> thanks. now let's bring in kasie hunt, she's in baltimore, where she'll cover the president-elect as he attends the army/navy game. what more is the trump camp saying? >> reporter: at this point, steph, we have just that statement from donald trump's team, unsigned, released within minutes of "the washington post" report hitting last night saying

this same group of people said there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq, and of course that in many ways an unprecedented move for a president-elect for the intelligence officials, who are essentially going to be the ones he's going to be relying on to let him know what's going on around the world. now, i did speak on the phone with the rnc sean spicer, you played a little bit of his very intense back and forth on cnn earlier today, but he said he maintains that the republican national committee was never hacked and there is no one saying that on the record. there have been intelligence officials, there has been open conversation about the fact that the democratic national committee was hacked during the course of this campaign, so he insists it's not true. the new york times has been reporting that that was the case. that's impactful because it would mean that potentially the russians sat on that information whereas they were willing to

release in a number of different ways the information that was obtained from democratic entities, the democratic national committee and later on hillary clinton campaign chairman john podesta's own personal emails. remember we saw many of that leading up to election day, so the question here now and what's different today than what we knew yesterday is this question of intent and what were the russians involved in the election to try and help donald trump. clearly a very loaded question now, and you also have, we should mention hillary clinton communications director jennifer palmieri tweeting she has trouble reading the stories. lot of clinton officials tried to get focus on russian involvement in the final days. as we know the election did not go the way they had hoped. steph? >> casey, do you think you'll have an opportunity to ask president-elect trump any of these questions later on today? >> reporter: he's traveling to the army/navy game, we're

expecting he'll spend time on both sides, with army and navy, although he won't be doing a formal switch because he is not actually the president. there is tradition surrounding that but he'll spend time with veterans of army and navy and marine corps service organizations. the pool that's traveling with him that small group of reporters that follows him everywhere and we expect to see him tomorrow morning with chris wallace on "fox news sunday" his first sunday show interview since this happened and going to likely speak with a couple of cbs sports anchors midway through this game, so we're going to be watching closely to see if this subject is addressed at all and if we hear anything directly from donald trump himself today. >> casey, which side will you be on, army or navy? >> reporter: i think i come down on the side of the navy. you go army, i go navy. >> thanks so much. joining me is an msnbc contributor and national

reporter for the "new york times" and ozzie pyra, senior reporter for politico. we haven't heard directly from trump about the reports as they came out. what's your reaction to the trump team's response so far? >> they're reacting as if the news was saying had it not been for the russian intervention hillary clinton would have won. that's not necessarily the case but how they're responding. they're trying to shoot down the idea that a, russia was involved and b, they were doing it in his support. we can have two things be true. they could have had a preferred candidate, they could have tried to intervene, and it could also be the case that hillary clinton ran a bad campaign and lost. >> i want to play for you what sean spicer also said this morning about your papers reporting on the rnc being hacked. >> we were willing to offer the "new york times" inside access to know what happened. we were willing to offer them proof. they chose not to engage in that

conversation. not us. the intelligence agencies that we are working with tell us with certainty that we haven't been hacked. we've said it before and we've tried to work with these media outlets to explain that to them and show them. can you walk us through the reporting and your reaction to what sean spicer said there. >> if you read the "new york times" reporting, the first three to four graphs the report says in the story says republican officials consistently not just right now but for months said the rnc was not hacked. that adds to then quoting the cia and other agencies saying look the aelgz, senior officials are telling my colleagues, not me but my colleagues on background that this was actually what happened, and russia gained access to the rnc but did not release documents but did release the documents they got from the rnc and the dnc. i've had issues with sean, reporting where i had on background sean would say that's not true, that's not what the

rnc, not what i'm hearing so i think in some ways sean is the perfect person to be defending the rnc, the person in some ways i would say their bulldog when it comes to attacking the media and pushing the agenda that he has. i should say as rnc, when i watched that exchange, the nine-minute long exchange on cnn, he really kind of landed on the agencies he's been talking to saying the agencies are telling the rnc we haven't been hacked. he hasn't said i can tell you with 100% certainty and the cia is still doing this report. the report isn't final. maybe when the report comes out that's not true, this didn't happen, but i think that these officials are telling my paper that the rnc was hacked, they wouldn't be out there saying that when there was no proof to this. >> you're also left with the overall question of who is the american public supposed to believe, right? >> there is that idea whether or

not you can trust the media, and the report in my paper said they were trying to get at the integrity of this election and that includes going after not only the candidates and politicians but includes going after the media and creating a cloud of doubt there. >> the challenge for donald trump he has won the election without the majority of voters. his ability to bring the country together starting january 20th is even harder now because you have this very real skepticism of how legitimate was this election. if he was for uniting the country his job became a lot harder because of these reports. >> i would add i think you have to understand sean's point of view. sean's point of view, from the information that i got that the rnc wasn't hacked. he's saying i think this is what's happening, for our paper, we also have to report what these officials are saying to us. we can't ignore the fact there are senior officials not telling

just the "new york times" but also "the washington post" that this happened. that's important and whether or not we get to the bottom of it is important but for democracy we have to have the debates and figure it out because this is a huge story the fact that russia could influence our election is not something to take lightly. >> also just imagine what's going to happen once trump becomes, walks into the white house. he's going to be in charge of agencies he's now contrasting. this is going to be fascinating to watch. >> it will be interesting but to sean spicer's point here, is there any evidence that it influenced the election? this is an important question. >> if i had to think about it, you influence on election but no one can say without the russians hacking, without the dnc's emails that hillary clinton would have won. there were so many factors, the comey letters coming out, the flawed candidates themselves with email, with her private server on hillary clinton side, with the "access hollywood" tape. you can't take any one of these things out and say this is who

would have won if this didn't happen. the things that have happened, october surprises that we talked about all the time and say well this is why i lost or this is why i won so it's really in some ways a perfect issue for the a country can meddle in our election but we can't prove they influenced the outcome of the election. >> as we turn to the trump cabinet i want to play for you what rudy giuliani said this morning about taking himself out of the running for secretary of state. >> i knew he had good choice. if i thought he needed ohm me which is probably never true they ever need only you, if i thought that i would do it in a minute. mitt romney i voted for him, support him, i thought he would have made a much better president than barack obama but i think like mike huckabee does he should apologize or explain what he meant by some of the comments which hurt me greatly when i was campaigning for my friend donald trump. >> i'm sorry, giuliani having

hurt feelings about somebody else's words is sort of a remarkable moment, just for people that have followed his career but he's saving face. he wanted the secretary of state job for months. i report back in july that people would run into him and he would, you know, somebody would say good luck becoming the attorney general. he would say no, no, secretary of state. that was a job he had wanted and to not have that position now, to not get the one thing that he had really wanted is remarkable. giuliani has been loyal to the trump campaign effort, one of the only people standing up for trump when the "access hollywood" tapes come out and to not have that loyalty returned in some way, shape or form underscores the idea that trump is not a candidate that people can predict and calls into question what kind of policies and actions we're going to see going forward. >> we're left hanging with this question who is it going to be. >> who? the show never ends.

>> "the apprentice" basically. >> thanks so much for joining me. donald trump's pick to lead the epa, why trump chose him and what this could mean for a future of the agency. i'll ask a member of the house natural resources committee about this next.

i'm getting all these horrible calls from my kids, from jared, from everybody, too bad, dad, because they had me written off. they said no in polls and i said to ivan ka, you know, honey, i may have lost because based on what they were saying it was going to be an early evening, i didn't realize it was going to be an early evening for us. >> that was donald trump last night stopping in grand rapids,

michigan, as part of his thank you tour and somewhat surprising election night for the trump family. the event capped off a busy week of cabinet picks. linda mcmahon small business administrator, dr. ben carson to head up hud and fast food ceo andrew puzder secretary of labor. joining me now congressman matt cartwright, a democrat who represents pennsylvania's 17th district. you've been appointed to the testimonyic steering and policy committee, you say the democrat party message hasn't resonated with pennsylvania voters. what kind of message are the democrats hoping to shape going forward? >> well, good afternoon, stephanie. the answer is jobs. the working class folks in the united states are disappointed with the way life has gone, wages have not kept up with

productivity, and the democrats need to focus more on jobs. they always have focused on jobs, it's just that we need to talk about it more. as far as these cabinet picks i'm not going to come out blasting every single one of them. i don't think it's productive. there's a couple i like starting with elaine chao. the one thing all the democrats like coming out of donald trump's mouth has been the infrastructure investment plan. he's talking about $1 trillion into the economy in infrastructure improvement. we need them. they create jobs and elaine chao is a very intelligent, hard-working, poised woman with a lot of great experience, she was the head of the peace corps she was eight years head of the labor department under george w. bush. the ohm one in the cabinet who lasted eight years under george w. bush and so i applaud her

selection. we got a lot of work to do on infrastructure, and she happens to know a lot of republicans as well, which is going to be crucial, because there are a lot of recalcitrant republicans who don't want to spend a dime on anything. we have to make this investment, it will create jobs, and it will grease the skids for the american economy once our infrastructure gets back up to par. >> congressman, back to this idea about jobs, isn't this exactly what trump has been hitting since he was elected? you see carrier, talking about more jobs in michigan. what is his perspective on this? >> the carrier deal, stephanie, i think when all the details come out, we're going to be in a better position to judge whether that was good or bad, but you're right. trump talked jobs and that's what people care about, and it overshadowed and canceled out all of the crazy and unfortunate things that came out of his

mouth during the campaign. frankly i don't think he meant a lot of those things. lot of those things i said just to keep himself in the news and get all that free press that he was getting but the jobs, that's the key, stephanie. we need to talk about it. we need to do it. it has to be part of our policy, and we got to keep america clicking with our economy, and we have to make sure that it's inclusive, so that the blue collar folks keep up. >> certainly resonating with a lot of americans. let's turn now to the epa, since you're on the interior subcommittee of the natural resources committee, i want to ask you about tom pruitt for epa administrator. look at his record on the agency he's been chosen to ersee, suing the epa to challenge the clean power plan, involved in eight other lawsuits, challenge epa's authority and on his linkedin page pruitt describes himself as a leading advocate

against the "epa's activist agenda." what happened to the epa under a potential administrator pruitt? >> i think that's a mistake picking scott pruitt for head of the epa. you pick somebody who is dedicated to doing away with an agency he's probably not going to do a good job of running it in a way that benefits americans. americans want clean air, they want clean water. they want to make sure we don't trash our environment in the name of profits for big oil and petroleum industry. i'm critical of that and also critical of the selection of general michael flynn, i mean when general barry mccaffrey talks him as verging on the demented, you have to wonder, is flynn a good choice. the famently enterprise of the flynn family was to engage in fake news and actually accuse hillary clinton and john podesta

of being complicit in a child sex trafficking ring coming out of a neighborhood pizza shop in washington, d.c. something that almost led to a shooting tragedy in washington. how can you possibly pick somebody like that to run a federal agency. actually boggles the mind that he would be one of the picks, and also senator jeff sessions. i don't get a vote. i'm not a senator on confirmation of these picks, but to pick him for attorney general, somebody who is charged to be the top law enforcement officer in the united states and stick up for everyone's civil rights in this country, i was at selma, alabama, last year for the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday. there was jeff sessions smiling sweetly and saying nothing about revamping the voting rights act

which was gutted by the supreme court. this is the man we're going to put in charge of civil rights and voting rights of people when he has this reprehensible record of racism, racist statements, racist acts. before confirming him i want to hear a complete, contrite and sincere apology for the racist and bigoted things that he has said and done in his adult life. >> congressman we talk about the picks and the criticisms that democrats in the senate have against them, is there any chance from your perspective of them being able to overturn? these picks do reflect president trump's-elect position and the question then becomes if he was elected these are are the people that he should be able to put in place, right? >> again, some are great picks, elaine chao, general matis. don't let the "mad dog" part fool you. one of our greatest american generals in american history,

mad anthony wayne, was george washington's favorite general, had an amazing spectacular career, and was a great american. so general mattis successfully led a division of marines into baghdad. he was the head of central command for a few years, very qualified eminent military thinker. i'm not going to trash all of the selections, but i would appeal to president-elect trump to repeal some of the selections he has made. >> it surely will be a heated nomination process for some of them. thank you very much. >> sure. happening now, a look at the dangerous weather slamming a large part of the country, and the worst is yet to come.

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donald trump and his many meetings as he tries to build his cabinet. how much work is he really getting done and how this transition compares to ones in the past. some perspective next. and before we go to break, a little holiday cheer. the first family has released a final christmas card. it reads in part "as our family reflects on our many happy years spent in the white house, we are grateful for the friends we've made, the joy we've shared and the gifts of kindness we've received." it's signed by the entire family. we leave you with the gorgeous christmas tree right outside 30 rockefeller plaza where it's a crisp 35 degrees. bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.

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kurdish and arab fighters in the battle to capture islamic states defak cocapital of raqqah. the additional troops will join 300 u.s. special operations forces already in syria. a snowstorm blamed for at least three deaths is threatening to leave several states under whiteout conditions over the weekend. the storm has already wreaked havoc from the dakotas to the northeast grounding flights and piling cars on highways. forecasters warn it could get worse into next week. nbc's morgan radford is in chicago where they're expecting up to ten inches of snow. you obviously drew the short straw. how cold is it there. we're expecting to see up to 12 inches of snow in the surrounding areas just outside of chicago. we're here in a winter storm advisory in effect at 6:00 p.m. that snow expected to strike at 5:00 p.m. local time.

stephanie this is part of a larger storm system that started out west and is now moving its way here to the midwest and to the northeast. we're expecting to see about eight inches of snow where you are near new york city, also boston has to be leery of what's come up ahead of monday. listen to how some of the people around the country are now reacting. >> well i came to warn my co-worker that the roads were bad so i parked over here and i took off, i slid into the side so then i got stuck. >> the roads are basically just ice and so we're really worried about the ice part. the snow is all right but the ice is scary. >> reporter: self know, as we speak, 27 million people are now under a winter storm advisory, more expected this weekend, and it's not just the snow and the ice that people are worried about. it's also this cold, we're expecting to see highs in the single digits not only here in the midwest but also down south. stephanie? >> it's pretty brutal. i'm pulling for a white christmas. morgan radford, thanks.

it's been more than a month since the election but the top campaign staffers from both sides are still duking it out. in an op-ed dpublished wednesda jennifer pal marie accused the trump campaign of "giving a platform to white supremacists." today trump's campaign manager is fighting back. >> the fact is that this campaign ran a race where we reached into those working class voters who felt like they were the forgotten man and forgotten woman, they were the base of our support. you can't take that away from us. we wusted the blue wall in states like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and for them to pretend it was because of this issue is not just insulting, it's impirically false. >> let's bring in peter hanson and elise jordan.

let's start with you. why is this still going on? >> it was a brutal, brutal election and people just haven't moved on at all. and it's making it harder to move on when there are allegations the cia is saying today on background to the "new york times" and "the washington post" that russia interfered in an election. there's so much acrimony, so many harsh feelings and this wasn't business as usual, this wasn't politics at usual. donald trump really came in like a kamikaze this year and disrupted the entire system. >> and anger plays a huge role, i understand that from just a human perspective that jen is feeling angry as many of the clinton people are but i'm hoping they'll move past it because part of this process has to be a learn from mistakes and also worrisome to the trump people that bragging often ends up in failure, that if you end up as a braggart and a bully on the playground you'll end up losing at the end of the day. >> we're seeing sore winners and sore losers.

>> does kellyanne have a point? >> he does. jen pal mere hooe has a point the campaign gave a platform to white supremacists. both could be true at the same time and still exist. >> exactly. also important to put in context with the bag ground of the "new york times," they've always been influencers in elections. i was in the carter administration. we were supposedly by ""post" reviews between certain individuals of the reagan campaign and the iranians in terms of the iranian hostages. if the hostages had been released everyone pretty much agrees carter would have run the election so i'm sensitive. if you look at the media, look at fake news, you look at the internet now and wikileaks, there are all sorts of influencers to the elections to somehow think it's just the russians swayed this election i think is both naive and dangerous. >> peter, let's look at this transition in general. how does it compare to past

transitions? trump has taken dozens of meetings over the past few weeks. is he getting done what needs to be done here? >> absolutely. there is really both similarities but wide differences. the similarities are that the politics always drives the personnel decisions. it's happening again. it's not ideological at least from my perspective, and then the personnel are going to draw the policy, but what makes this difference is you have a circus master, and literally the clowns and the performers and the animals all circling the trump circus, and he's got the little whip and he's making it all work to his advantage, because we're talking about this transition process. generally transition processes are just about the individuals that are being nominated. we're talking about the process itself. >> just because this process is very theatrical doesn't mean it isn't deliberative. >> it is very deliberative. this is happening the way trump wants it to work, so anyone who suggests that it's a knife

fight, several weeks ago they were saying or "game of thrones" those may be accurate descriptions but at the end of the day it's trump making this happen the way he wants it to happen. if he didn't want it to happen the way it was happening it wouldn't. >> elise, let's go back to russia for a minute. how big a deal is it this news reports in the "new york times" and "the washington post" that russia was influencing and pulling for trump? >> well first, i would caution donald trump against picking fights with the cia, that usually does not end well for presidents. >> that's true. >> i think it's important just because we need to know what happened. i think there should be as honest of an accounting as possible to try to decipher how the russians meddled, what the extent of it was, but it doesn't change the result at the end of the day. we need to know what happened but donald trump was elected in a fair election. >> here is an important question. you have an obama-led initiative

to find out what happened. is the end result going to be something that's believed by the president-elect and his team? peter? >> well currently in most recent polling both sides believe in the majority that the other side stole the election. so we're at a real crossroads here, and what makes this different in many ways is the outcome, as elise talks about, with both sides, unfortunately engaging in this back-and-forth. trump won the election. we may disagree about the electoral college but that was the game, those were the ground rules, he won. we can talk about the process which is not that different from previous elections. i've been in now countless presidential campaigns and there's internal influencers as well. the koch brothers nut $50 million to $60 million into the hispanic community to influence their vote so they're always influencers on both sides. >> but the koch brothers are americans who are contributing to a democratic process.

we're talking about the country of russia getting involved here and i guess the question is i think for the trump team at this point when are you going to trust what the intelligence agencies tell you? >> well that's what's incredibly disturbing, because our intelligence agencies, though they can be skewed sometimes and internal debates over interpreting the intelligence. this is a nonpartisan issue. this is dealing in factual information. it is about interpretation, but these are trusted agencies that donald trump really has to let have influence on his national security decision-making process. >> ultimately the bureaucracy, whether it be cia, defense, state, are going to operate to some degree independently. meaning they have a conscience, they are public servants in the best sense of the word and their ethics are going to obviously be somewhat of an obstacle. i'm picking up from friends overseas that there is self-righteousness about this russian influence when the

united states historically has been directly involved in other governments overthrow and takeovers. >> and eventually america has to, as a country, have faith in its institutions. peter emerson, elise jordan thank you both very much. american icons and the people who inspired them. it's the subject of a new msnbc original series called "iconoclast" with tonight's premiere episode on martha stewart. >> estee lauder became one of the richest self-made women on the planet. estee put her name to the brand. she never stopped selling. >> i have lots of good ideas for -- >> while estee lauder chose makeup and perfume, martha's calling was how to live and how you can entertain. >> you can buy the notary embosser stamps. >> reporter: that was martha's great break-through. like estee her name was her brand. while she was teaching, she was

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after a dramatic and owe eegs moll week in court south carolina jurors heard for the first time the chilling confession of dylann roof the white supremacist charged with killing nine members of a black church last year. here's gabe gutierrez with more. >> reporter: dylann roof chuckled as he recalled the horror at charleston's emanual ame church. now for the first time a look at what prosecutored showed jurors on the third day of his federal trial accused of 33 counts including hate crimes. >> we all know i'm guilty. >> reporter: he told fbi agents the trayvon martin case woke him up and prompted him to research black on white crime online.

>> what i did is so miniscule to what they're doing to wite white people every day. >> reporter: this is security video of roof entering the historic building which he says he chose because he thought it would resonate. minutes before the massacre, during bible study prosecutors said roof could be seen in this snapchat video, when the bloodshed was over he quietly walked out, gun in hand. >> i was in absolute awe that there was nobody out there. >> reporter: adding that if officers had been waiting for him, he would have shot himself. police arrested him during a traffic stop the next day and he seemed surprised when he was told nine church members had died. >> you were under the assumption you killed four or five people, right? >> yes, that's true. >> reporter: but your numbers were doubled, it was nine. >> reporter: investigators found a journal in his car with a swastika scrawled inside and this entry "i would love for there to be a race war." the fbi agents asked him what he would tell the families of the victims. >> i probably couldn't even look

at them. >> reporter: roof's defense team is not disputing the facts of the case. their goal is to avoid the death penalty. on the witness stand an investigator said after roof's confession he told the then 21-year-old a void the death penalty. he said he told the then 21-year-old his plan to start a race were did not work and the people of charleston were coming together. his last words to roof, you failed. >> that's chilling stuff. donald trump's latest comments about dreamers in "time" magazine. is he changing his stance on deporting all undocumented workers? answers next. asting relie try doctor-recommended gaviscon.

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figure president-elect donald trump is offering a sign of hope for those who entered the u.s. illegally as children. he told "time" magazine this week quote something will be worked out.

the decision affects more than 700,000 people. joining us from austin is victoria defranchesco, a professor of american-mexican studies at the university of texas an also an msnbc contributor. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, stephanie. >> do you think president-elect will follow-through with a new approach? >> i do, stephanie. we have to remember he ran his whole campaign on the restrictionist platform. so his supporters want him to do this and they're going to hold him accountable. the question is at what speed and what degree? i do think on january 21st, after he takes the oath of office he is going to rescind those executive orders that gave those dreamer students special permits for living here and working. what i do think will happen here and where i do think donald trump is going to be open is to working with congress in passing a legislative bill for dreamers. we have already seen

conversations in the summit led up by lindsey graham and others previously in the "gang of eight," saying how can we form a legal path through the legislative branch we can pass and donald trump can sign. >> the executive order is out but still a glimmer of hope in the legislative path. you see traction? >> i do in the senate but i won't lie to you and say i think it's a done deal. the house of representatives is a lot more conservative than the upper chamber and that's where we will see the road blocks. that being said, if donald trump signals to his party this is something he wants to do, he wants to show good faith with regards to immigration, perhaps then paul ryan and the rest of the house will play along. that this is path, you'll be it narrow towards getting something done for dreamers. >> so far more than a million people have been approved under the measure.

if it's reversed, what happens to them? >> there is so much fear. i see this in my classrooms and campus, where students who came out of the shadow and went to sign up for their papers, gave their names and address and personal information and now the government has that. if donald trump and the department of homeland security wanted to come after them they know exactly where they live. there's a tremendous amount of fear but at the same time, there's a feistiness where the students, these immigrants are saying we put our faith in the system. we played by the rules and wasn't our fault we were brought here as little kids and we will fight in whatever way we can to stay in what is our home. >> i want to quickly ask you about nebraska where last year the republican legislature passed a bill providing professional licenses for doc recipie recipients, the president --

>> what we've seen in nebraska is folks leaving the state, young folks going elsewhere, however we see the latino population growing, booming. we're seeing all these students come up and they want to keep these students and don't want the brain drain. the gop recognizes that and trying to keep them there. >> thank you very much for your time. >> thanks, stephanie. >> that will do it for me this hour. i'm stephanie gosk. thanks for watching. chanel jones picks it up in our next hour. with fake news and why it's so hard to convince some people what they're reading is not real. a conservative radio talk show host tells us about the trouble he's running into with his list listeners. invest with confidence.

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