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inspiring other women across the world who are -- >> it means there are more women investors to help these businesses grow and i think martha has been hugely inspiring in that way. >> we all know kareem abdul-jabbar. the country's all-time leading scorer, six-time nba's most valuable player, 19 nba all-star. she inspired a nine-year ban on slam dunks. but you might not know him as a social and political activist. >> kareem speaks out on issues like cancer care.
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on november 2016, he was awarded the presidential medal of freedom, america's highest civilian honor. >> i'm flattered that people would be inspired by things that i have done and said. >> kareem's a phenomenon, but who are his heros and heroines. from sports, movies, music, the wild west, even ancient egypt, they're all change makers. >> there's few people on there that probably would surprise people. >> he's not who you think he is, that's for sure. >> i structured my list basically with the people that influenced me when i was a young person. my teenage years of going to college and my young adult years. but then, i had to make it evolve, because it's been a long
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time. a whole lot has happened since then. >> kareem's career began as a 15-year-old phenomenon in new york, he led his high school team to 71 victories in 101 games and three championships. however his childhood idol, was an athlete from another sport. >> i would start with jackie robinson. because i was a big baseball player. when i was a kid, he was my hero. even more so than all the cowboys that i used to want to be like. jackie robinson was, he was number one. >> jackie robinson could hit, he could field, he could run, he was just a superb athlete, a very smart athlete. he electrified the country. >> robinson was the first african-american in the modern era to play in the major
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leagues. he played his first pro game with the brooklyn dodgers. he was not immediately accepted by the players or the fans. until jackie came along, until baseball in the 20th century was exclusively for white americans. >> jackie robinson had to go through a lot to integrate american football. he had death threats. >> they're saying that he shouldn't be in a white man's sport. not being able to stay at the hotels that the white players were staying at. some of the perceptions of a black man not being a human being. the death threats and the abuse. he carried the burden of black americans on his shoulders.
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>> jackie robinson achieved such iconic status in the african-american community because of what he went through. i believe that he was a hero in every african-american household. >> the other teams are -- did all they could to provoke him, they tried to hurt him. he played first base for a while and the other teams would try and damage his legs with their spikes. >> but the thing that really worked for him is on the field, he was a phenomenon. >> people that did not necessarily appreciate black americans, they saw he deserved a chance to be playing professional baseball because he was that talented and it really helped change people's minds about sports and from that advantage, other things changed. >> kareem absolutely idolizes
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jackie robinson, when kareem was thinking about where to go to college, jackie robinson wrote him a letter that encouraged him to choose ucla. >> kareem was lucky enough to meet his hero. >> i was 23 years old at the time and i had been a fan of jackies my whole life. >> i had won rookie of the year at ucla and they had a dinner that i attended where they gave the rookie of the year award away. and i was sitting at a table and jackie came to talk to bill and that's the only time i got to meet jackie, but it was very special for me. >> it was a thrill for me to get a chance to finally meet him and to say hello in relaxed circumstances because it was really just the three of us there. >> robinson's entry into the major leagues opened it up to more black americans.
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next, kareem reaches into political history and chooses a woman who broke barriers. >> eleanor roosevelt was probably the first woman to become active in political ways that started to cause change, at a time when women weren't supposed to be politically active. >> eleanor roosevelt championed civil rights from the moment she moved into the white house. white opera singer marion anderson was banned from performing in most opera venues. to eleanor arranged for her to si sing.
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>> that moment becomes an iconic moment, in the history of not only eleanor roosevelt, but in the civil rights, as well as marion anderson. >> eleanor roosevelt set the template for modern day presidential spouses, like nancy reagan, hillary clinton, and michelle obama. >> i'm sure eleanor roosevelt was conscious of what she was doing. she wasn't just doing this as a whim. it was something she saw needed to be outlined for the nation as a whole and her status as the first lady enabled her to go out of the way to explain this to the nation. >> she's the one who turned the office of the first lady into an actual office. and it wasn't enough for her to sit pretty and decorate the oval office. no, she's like i've got resources, i've got a platform and i want to use them. >> there were african-americans
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enlisted in the army but they had been prevented from the air force tachbd marines. the navy only accepted blacks as cooks and waiters. black soldiers even had to give up their seats on planes to nazi prisoners of war. >> eleanor roosevelt thought that the treatment of black americans was something we should be ashamed of as a nation. >> and so she took action, starting with the air force. >> there was a black unit of fighter pilots that were trained at tuskegee, alabama. they were called tuskegee airmen and they were very capable pilots, but this was at a time when blacks weren't considered intelligence enough to fly airplanes. >> eleanor roosevelt took a seat in the back of a black pilot's plane an went for a flight. >> once she did that, she saw
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that this pilot was as competent as any other pilot of any other racial category. >> just three months later, her husband fdr issuing an executive order prohibiting discrimination by any government agency, including the armed forces. one person who had become seg -- five years before signing to the dodgers, jackie had been drafted into a segregated army cavalry unit. but in 1944, he faced a court-martial. robinson contested the charges, receiving huge support from athletes, even officials in the war department. jackie was acquitted and the case became a water shed in military race relations. >> and he had the opportunity to join his unit and go fight or
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take an honorable discharge. i always saw that as divine intervention because he had important things to do after the war was over, since integrating baseball and providing a great role model for little kids like me. >> activists, athletein the wor music. or egfr gene who've tried an fda-approved targeted therapy, this is big. a chance to live longer with opdivo (nivolumab). opdivo demonstrated longer life and is the most prescribed immunotherapy for these patients. opdivo significantly increased the chance of living longer versus chemotherapy. opdivo works with your immune system. opdivo can cause your immune system to attack normal organs and tissues in your body and affect how they work.
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as kareem abdul-jabbar reveals the people who have inspired him, he's showing us that he's more than just an athlete. >> i had fun trying to put the list together, because i hadn't ever thought about putting a list together of all the things that have influenced my life. >> reflecting his own passions, his choices are change makers. >> kareem is very intellectual and he's very well read and very
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well spoken. and i wasn't surprised at all to see his list from spending so long with him, listening to him talk about these people. >> people like basketball legend bill russell who has more championship rings than any playe player in the history of the game. but it's what he did off the court that landed him on the list. >> i met bill russell when i was 14 years old, my first year in high school. i learned a lot about playing the game of basketball from watching him and i also learned a lot about the political activism in observing some of the things he did in his life. >> i think bill russell's value to the civil rights movement was the way in which he handled the abusive language, the abusive environment he was thrust in in new york at the time. i think it was overwhelming to
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russell to be a black athlete in a mostly white city. >> he did not express his outrage in and an outdoorward way. you have to make people understand that this is a rational position that you're taking and that you have the truth behind you. >> in 1963, russell was invited to join martin luther king's civil rights march on washington, d.c. 50 years later, he was one of those commemorating the event. >> good afternoon, it's nice to be here, i was sitting in the first row 50 years ago. and it's nice to be anyway 50 years later. >> kareem said he really liked the way bill russell handled himself and he wanted to have
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that kind of presence, that strong, quiet prince, i call it like quiet power, that's how i describe kareem. >> kareem's early years were defined by his dominant in sports, but his other less well known passion is music. >> music was a very big mode of expression in my household, my parents both sang, they sang in the choral group. and my dad played brass instruments, trombone being the instrument of his choice. >> they played jazz in his house every single day that kareem was growing up and he loved it. you know, he got to go and meet people with his dad, his dad would play at the clubs at night. his dad was actually a police officer, a transit cop, but he really wanted to be a musician. >> jazz formed the sound track to kareem's early life.
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one name in particular stood out. >> it was louis armstrong that stood out. i loved his personality, he made he laugh and i also enjoyed his music. >> this was an individual that almost single handedly transformed the genera of jazz music. >> i can't think of any other cultural figure that was more important than louie armstrong. >> i was born in 1900. in james alley. in the real new orleans. >> from his humble beginnings in new orleans, armstrong you into a major musical force. he created a sound accessible to everyone, regardless of race or gender. >> initially in the 20th century, people like louis
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armstrong broke down barriers because jazz music was new and exciting and the swinger are really brought something out of america. >> people came out from their homes and went to ballrooms and danced to jazz music. >> jazz is definitely an aspect of black culture that has been appreciated and enjoyed around the world. but it's also enabled a lot of the musicians to make statements about what happens in america having to do with the issues of race. you have someone like louis armstrong, who was denied the ability to perform on stage with white jazz musicians. and he had to make a statement about that. so he said he was never going to perform in new orleans again. and that's his hometown. >> kareem never got to meet armstrong, even though they were
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both living in new york. >> he really was a big hero in the neighborhood that he lived in queens, i have heard stories about how he used to treat the kids in his neighborhood, very interesting then and really promotes music his whole life. i would like to know what it was like starting a whole new genre of musical entertainment that took over the world. that must have been a pretty amazing aspect to go through. and i'm pretty sure that it must have been many times scary. >> while louie armstrong broke down barriers in the past, kareem's next game changing entry is right up to date. beyonce. >> i think beyonce is very important because her access to,
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especially young women, and young people in general, is pretty profound. and it's more or less across the board. and it has nothing to do with race, young people like her, it doesn't matter if it's here in america or south america, europe, asia, people listen to what she has to say and are inspired by it and informed by it. >> well, women's rights, it's something that's always been something close to my heart. and i know now being a mother, it's really important that i can do what i can and use my voice. and to know that there are women around the world that don't have a voice. we have to use our voices and raise the awareness and be a part of something where we can leave our legacy and help improve this world. >> i think beyonce's instincts really enable her to find the things to talk about that are meaningful. and i think that has to do with her intelligence and her
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observational abilities to identify what's important and talk about it. >> beyonce is vital, i think to the entire, like, tapestry because she provides visibility for so many people who have not had it for so long. >> i think music is very important for breaking down barriers because music is a universal language, they might like their style of music, but there's always something that you hear that catches your attention and kind of motivates you to ask questions. >> coming up, kareem shows us the value of humor. >> you get people to laugh about the ironies of life, and about life's inconsistencienconsisten >> not many black people get bitten by snakes. the cadillac xt5...
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abdul-jabbar is going through his list of his most influential people. >> growing up, i thought i had to be very tightly wrapped and not very frivolous because people would judge all black americans by my conduct. >> he could be aloof or seemingly aloof until you approach him and you engage him in a conversation. >> kareem's fun side was revealed in 1980 when he appeared in the legendary spoof movie airplane. >> request vector. over. >> flight 209. >> we have clearance, clarence. >> roger roger.
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>> kareem has a very dry sense of humor. so in order to see it, you have to spend time with him. >> comedy is a great form of communication, because you get people to laugh about the ironies of life and about life's inconsistencies. and in order to do that, you have to have an insightful a appreciation of what goes on in life. >> so next on his list is richard pryor. >> he was an inspire ration. >> not many black people get bitten by snakes, because black people stroll too cool in the woods. snake. now white people get bit all the time. because they have a different rhythm. they be in the rhythm of --
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>> he was a trend setter, a lot of the things that are said today, even if he said them today they would be controversial. so you can imagine how controversial they are today at the time that he said it. >> richard had a house in hawaii. so they would go out and hang out and visit each other. >> all know what audiences saw on stage was a very funny man, only his close friends saw the turbulence behind the act. >> richard pryor was all over the place, he would talk about his use of drugs and his love life and his professional life, trying to be a comedian and working in clubs that were run by mafia people. >> it was no fun picking on mexicans, you got a country. >> some really interesting and
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kind of scary aspects of his life, he was raised in a house of prostitution, his grandmother was a madam who ran a brothel, and that's where he was raised. >> my grandmother was the lady that used to discipline me, beat my ass. >> when we were traveling, he would laugh outloud and i would say what were you thinking about when you laughed? and he says, something richard pryor said once, and he would do it and do it in such and an mated way, you could see richard pryor doing it. >> he's been dead some time now, but without richard pryor we would not have chris rock or dave shap pell, you talk about how these absurdities affect our lives now. >> kareem's next choice was also
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an entertainer. as well as one of the most significant change makers in boxing. mohammed ali. >> my experience with mohammed ali really started when i was going to ucla and i saw him one night on sunset boulevard and he was out there doing magic tricks for people passing by. that's hard to imagine, the heavyweight champion of the world, just entertaining strangers as they pass by. but that was part of his charm. he really was always on and he was always about entertaining people. >> i am the greatest. >> he had a great sense of humor. i was on an airplane with him. and before the plane was about to take off. the stewarstewardess came by an mr. ali, you need to put your seat belt on, we're about to
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take off. he said superman don't need no seat belt. she said "superman" don't need no airplane either. >> when you look at mohammed ali and kareem abdul-jabbar you have two men who are very, very similar, but who are also very, very different. >> one similarity is that both men changed their names. ali changed his name from casious clay. and kareem changed his name when he was 24 years old. although he had first met ali in 1976 at ucla, he would get to know him better after ali refused to fight in vietnam. >> he came about at a time when black americans were supposed to be very thankful for the opportunities they got and not rock the boat. and he really understood that our war in vietnam was immoral
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and illegal and he said something about it. and he was not going to go serve in that war. and that caused him definite conflict with the united states government, they were so annoyed with him that they stripped him of his title. >> the masses of the whites don't seem to love peace such as you few minority who do. so therefore they overshadow and outshine you by millions and millions and millions. # . >> an amazingly, incredibly, americans eventually saw where he was coming from, and i think obviously as the vietnam war played out, a lot of people saw that this guy might have been right. >> his political sensitivities were absolutely on mark when he said, i believe it was ain't no
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viet cong ever called me nigger. and that made sense. and when they did strip him of his title. bill russell and others thought maybe black athletes could help him. and invited me to a summit meeting, where these black athletes were going to try to help mohammed ali. it turned out that we didn't have any power to help him. but we established a relationship with him and that lasted for me until he died. >> for many of us, we became enamored of mohammed ali because he was someone who was willing to speak his mind, to stand up for what he believed and to suffer the consequences. >> coming up, another legendary
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turkey's interior minister says 29 people are dead and 166 wounded after an explosion after a soccer match. ten people have been arrested. and in louisiana, republican state senator john kennedy has won his state's runoff election. republicans majority in the chamber over democrats now stands at 52-48. now it's back to "iconolist." next on kareem's list, another fighting legend who has achieved immortality, thanks to a small handful of feature films
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which at the time were unique and game changing. bruce lee. >> bruce was somebody that i got to know well and i considered him to be a friend. i trained with him for four years and it was a lot of fun. he dreamed at one point of making movies on his own and being able to have people that he wanted to act in the movie and eventually i got an opportunity because of that. >> this is kareem with bruce lee in "the game of death." it was kareem's first appearance on the big screen, but it was to be lee's last. >> i was very happy to get the opportunity to act with bruce. i knew i would have to be the villain. but the villain, they get a lot of work in those movies. >> bruce lee is on the list because of the way he was an
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innovator. the martial arts is such an insular kind of world, every martial arts eateachers thinks theirs is the only valid one and bruce wasn't about that. he was born in san francisco and was actually an american citizen. people don't know too much about that. >> i think kareem probably saw in bruce lee some of the similar attributes that he saw in jackie robinson and bill russell. in a sense that bruce lee kind of reinvented a lot of -- and forced folks to reinterpret their views, you know, on karate, on chinese culture, on asian americans. bruce lee was an outspoken advocate for his craft. >> away from the cameras,
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though, bruce wasn't at all what people might expect. >> what you see on screen is just something that somebody wrote. as a real life human being, bruce was a very down to earth person and he really enjoyed life. bruce was a practical joker, he would try and pull tricks on people. he often would try to surprise his wife with just weird stuff that he would bring home in bags. and he was really the life of the party. he played the bongos and he was a good dancer. and most people don't know that about him. he had a good time. he enjoyed himself and he was a good friend. >> kareem cherished his relationship with bruce lee quite a bit. he trained with him when he was at ucla. and actually he was on his way to see bruce lee, he was flying over to see him in hong kong the day he died. he was on his way to see him, he spent a lot of time with him
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when they were in hong kong, they were very good friends. >> bruce lee achieved immortality in movies. kareem's next choice was a man who had immortality thrust upon him. he was an ancient egyptian. >> he was a genius at a number of different things. he was an an text, he was an administrator for the egyptian pharaoh. >> he is an interesting individual, and again, we're talking about someone who is a trail blazer, someone who initiates, someone who innovates. >> hotep is the one that designed the very first pyramid in egypt. >> at 200 feet. was the first human built
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structure. hotep was one of the few commoners to achieve immortal status. >> he contributed so much to the science and infrastructure of egypt. >> and few would be aware of the debt of gratitude the modern world owes this egyptian in a field that kareem is especially passionate about. >> he was probably the father of modern medicine. >> hotep comes along at a time when disease is oftener interpreted as some indication of some unseen spiritual ailment, for which spiritual antidotes were required. he was one of the first individuals to begin to locate causality for a disease in the physical realm and to begin to
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diagnose ailments. >> people don't know where medicine started. and it started in egypt. the greeks and romans learned about medicine from the egyptians. it all started with them. >> coming up, we travel back to the frontier period of u.s. history and one of kareem's boyhood heroes. >> i think it's so charming that he was into like cowboys and the wild west. or egfr gene who've tried an fda-approved targeted therapy, this is big. a chance to live longer with opdivo (nivolumab). opdivo demonstrated longer life and is the most prescribed immunotherapy for these patients. opdivo significantly increased the chance of living longer
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an enormous range of interests. >> wild bill hickcock, he was a childhood hero. >> as a child, kareem was fanatical about cowboys. >> well, you know, the cowboy is kind of an american icon and i grew up at a time in the '40s and '50s when every little boy wanted to be a cowboy and cowboys and cowboy movies, they're seen as heroes. >> when you think of wild bill hickcock, you think of the guy twirling the guns, but he was an important part of history. >> hickcock wasn't just a cowboy, like kareem, he was an activist. >> he had a very interesting life and was very much anned e a
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advocate for emancipation of the black americans. >> he assisted the underground railroad. >> he and his father and uncle regularly traveled back and forth between central illinois and the southern shores of lake michigan delivering slaves that got to be free. >> he probably helped hundreds of slaves escape. >> wild bill hickcock was a hero of the underground railroad. >> during the civil war, hickcock was a spy for the anti-slavery union army, later becoming a law man in a notoriously lawless outpost in kansas. >> he was not, per se a gunfighter, but he was someone who did know how to protect himself and he was a dead shot. >> in 1876, hickcock was murdered during a game of poker in deadwood, south dakota.
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the cards he was holding have become known as the dead man's hand, as and 8s. >> kareem's next choice is a veteran congressman who was at the forefront of the civil rights movement. john lewis. >> i think john lewis is unique as a civil rights activist because he actually marched with dr. king. he's the only person left, i believe, that marched with dr. king and he has served as representative from his district in georgia. >> he's a lieutenant to dr. king, he's faithful, he's loyal, he puts his life on the line again and again. he is totally committed to nonviolence, everyone is not committed to nonviolence. he is committed to nonviolence.
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>> i read his biography and learned a lot more about the nature of american racism and it helped me to get a better grasp of how to deal with it. >> lewis was one of the big six, the organizers of martin luther king's i have a dream speech. a year later, he was beaten. >> that was really a very important moment in the civil rights movement. because here we have people peacefully marching to demonstrate for voter registration and they get to this one town in alabama and they sent the state police after them and they just took their billy clubs and beat these people down. >> not many people make kareem get emotional.
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i think in the 24 years i have known him, i have only seen him cry twice and one of those times was when he introduced john lewis. he got all choked up. it was in front of a crowd in d.c. and he got to introduce him at an event and said he was an absolute american hero and how brave he was to do what he did. >> he served as a representative in the house of representatives for a very long time and still is active in trying to make sure that we continue to progress on these issues. >> it doesn't matter whether u you're black or white, latino, aszian american, or native american, whether you're gay or straight, we're one people, we're one family, we all live in the same house, not just the american house, but the world house. >> if you ever meet john lewis,
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the thing that strikes you about him is how peaceful of a man he is, and how happy of a man he is. and he could be filled with bitter rage from the stuff that he went through. and he's not. and i think that also, like, makes kareem that way too. >> coming up, kareem introduces another of his change making heroes and an insight into white house dinners. >> i absolutely lost it. i said that's what you talked to the president about? and only gaviscon helps keep acid down for hours. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try doctor-recommended gaviscon.
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write books and speak my mind. >> i'm michael jordan, and i'm here with hillary. i said that because i know that donald trump couldn't tell the difference. >> i met hillary back when her husband was president. they had a night of jazz at the white house and i got to meet her and we have been friends ever since then. >> in 2012, hillary clinton, in her role as secretary of state made kareem an international cultural ambassador. >> this is my latest book. >> i heard about that, thank you. >> she wanted him to travel around the world and teach people about american culture, who better to do that? >> thank you, sir. >> next on kareem's list, the man who nearly 50 years after martin luther king's dream of freedom and equality became
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america's first black president. >> i barack hussein obama do solemnly swear. >> barack obama should definitely be on the list. black americans are proud of him. he's been a very popular president and a very effective president. i think what i like about barack obama is the fact that he had the courage to go for it. other black americans have run for president, but they didn't have it together in realistic terms. but obama knew what he had to do to get elected and did it. i know that president obama has broken down barriers because so many black people did not think that he could achieve what he achieved. so many white people thought that he would be a complete failure as the commander in chief and the chief executive of the united states and he's done an admirable job and no one can deny that.
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>> kareem particularly admires barack obama for his efforts to shake up u.s. health care. >> what i hope people appreciate what barack obama tried to do. of course he wasn't able to do it because of the resistance that he received from the republican establishment, they decided that they with respeere to let him do anything and it was very difficult for him to get his agenda acted upon after the republicans gained control of the senate and the house of representatives. so i think that that's very unfortunate, but it does not diminish him as someone to be admired in any sense. >> the admiration was mutual, that became apparent in 2016 when president obama awarded kareem the presidential medal of freedom, not only for his
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activism, but for his outspok outspoken -- >> he's emerged as someone who people have turned to for wisdom and insight. >> even as it worked out, president obama. >> kareem got to go to some white house dinners. i didn't get to go. but i said what did you talk to the president about? you know, i'm like you got to sit next to the president all night? what did you get to talk to him about? he wanted to ask me how to cure his athlete's foot. i about like absolutely lost it. i was like that's what you talked to the president -- well, yeah, i'm an athlete and we have to deal with that stuff and he's like, and he had a problem and he needed some advice. so no real powerful news? he goes, we don't have time to get into that. i was like, wow. >> kareem's list has covered many areas of life, spanning the
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centuries. but for him, there's one name that stands out above all others. >> at the top of my list would be jackie robinson, because he's somebody that i admired all of my life, and i have so much in common with him. as a baseball fan, what jackie robinson stood for as a civil rights activist was incredible. >> i think martin luther king said something along the lines that if it with respect for jackie robinson, i wouldn't have been able to do what i did. >> people that helped me understand what was important and why, people that were my heroes in sports or the authorities that i read, or the politicians that i admire, they all had the means to communicate something broader than just what they were known for. they had other ideas that were on a broader scope unanimous just what they did.
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>> given all of the similarities that kareem's list has with kareem himself, i think he could put himself on his own list, because he's in great company. follow "lockup" producers and crews as they go behind the walls of america's prisons and jails with scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." >> unlike prison, all inmates are convicted, most jail inmates are only charged with crimes and waiting trial with resolution of their cases. both prisons and jails deal with common problem -- gangs. and for some, suppressing gang activity is a daily challenge that comes with life or
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