vings. i liked his way. cha-ching! talking about getting that moneeeey! talking about getting that moneeeey! savings worth the hype. now that's progressive. hello, everyone. i'm alex witt here in new york at msnbc world headquarters. here is what's happening right now. we begin with politics. new reaction from donald trump speaking for the first time on "the washington post" report about russia intervening in the u.s. election in order to help him win. he dismissed the report and said the democrats are behind them because of their election loss. trump then offered this take on president obama's call for an investigation. >> do you think this is part of an effort to undercut you? >> well, it could be. i think president obama has been terrific. he has been very respectful of the process and everything else. i saw that. and i want it, too.

i think it's great. i don't want anyone hacking us. i'm not only talking about countries, i'm talking about anyone period. but if you are going do that, i think you should not just say russia. you should say other countries also and maybe other individuals. >> the trump seem is dealing with the fallout over andrea mitchell's report that the president-elect will name richl ti rex tillerson as secretary of state. here is john mccain voicing his concerns. >> it's a matter of concern that he has such a close personal relationship with vladimir putin and obviously they have done enormous deals together that that would color his approach to vladimir putin and the russian threat. but that is a matter of concern. we will give him his chance. that's what the confirmation -- that's what advise and consent is all about. >> senator rand paul is sounding the alarm on john bolton,

trump's pick to serve as deputy secretary of state. >> i'm going to reserve judgment on tillerson. i will ask him the same question i asked the others. do you understand the historic lesson that the iraq war was a failure, a strategic mistake? that's what donald trump says. i know john bolton is still a cheerleader for the iraq war. he promoted a nuclear attack by israel on iran. he wants to do regime change in iran. i think john bolton is so far out of it, a naive understanding of the world, if he were to be the assistant for tillerson, i'm a no on bolton. he should get nowhere close to the state department. >> for more reaction to the report that the cia thinks russia was trying to help donald trump in the election, let's bring in peter alexander. what is the president-elect saying about this today? >> the bottom line is, we're witnessing this extraordinary breach, this tension now between the president-elect and the

intelligence community that provides him with the analysis in this case suggesting that russia did play a role in hacking information with the intention of trying to tip the scales in his favor. dur donald trump has repeatedly been defiant on this. he was this morning with fox news. >> i think it's ridiculous. i think it's another excuse. i don't believe it. >> do you think that the cia is trying to overturn the results? >> no. >> somehow to weaken you in office? >> if you look at the story and you look at what they said, there's great confusion. nobody really knows. hacking is very interesting. once they hack, if you don't catch them in the act, you are not going to catch them. they have no idea if it's russia or china or somebody. it could be somebody sitting in a bed some place. they have no idea. >> why would the cia put out the story the russians wanted you to win? >> i'm not sure they put it out. i think the democrats are

mutting mutt i putting it out. >> he was asked to respond in that interview about the fact that he has been infrequent in his receiving intelligence briefings since taking over as president-elect. traditionally, they are made available to him routinely, if not every day. he has only done as we understand it a total of three or four times since winning about exactly a month ago now. he said in part of that conversation that he doesn't need to be told the same thing in the same words every day for the next eight years. again, alex, we're witnessing what is a very unconventional approach by the 45th american president to the ideas of not just intelligence but his receiving of that intelligence going forward. >> in that interview, what else did we learn? what struck you? >> a couple things struck me. one is interesting the way we talk about the way he will form his cabinet. we know thursday he will make an announcement where he talks about what he is going to do about possible big business

entanglements. he made it clear in terms of his relationship with jared kushner, he would like to see him doing deals, helping out going forward, even playing a role in trying to secure a middle east peace process. that's interesting, because right now there's a lot of -- the par lar games focus on what it will look like behind the scenes in the inner circle around donald trump. a lot of people anticipating that son-in-law kushner will play a role. this wou seem to indicate that that may be the case. sources familiar with their thinking tell me it's likely that ivanka and jared kushner end up moving here. the same donald trump has t tentacles in many things. that's why his comments were striking and they come as republican and democratic senators make it clear they want an investigation on this front. donald trump -- there are a lot of people, republicans and democrats, who are wary of the relationship with russia. they want to make sure he is aware of that as well.

>> peter alexander in washington, thanks. joining me now, bill richardson, former governor of new mexico, former ambassador to the u.n. and secretary of energy. good to see you. let's get to it. your reaction to the president-elect's comments today about russia's involvement in the u.s. election? what struck you? >> well, this is unprecedented and incredible for a president-elect to say. number one, disputing what the cia, our own intelligence agency we spend $70 billion a year on their budget, are saying to their main customer the president-elect. in other words, disputing the fact that russia intervened in our elections, that russia wanted trump to win. now he would have won anyway. but the fact that we have a president who has few intelligence briefings and refuses to accept their conclusions, that's very troubling, because the cia is supposed to give non-partisan

advice on foreign policy and national security. and if he is going to dispute them because of his own assumptions, that is very troubling. that's the number one issue that i see that disturbs me at this moment. >> when we consider the transition team's reaction to the reports by bringing up saddam hussein and the weapons of mass destruction, are you concerned about the relationship he is setting up with u.s. intelligence officials? >> yeah. i'm very concerned. in all the national security briefings, i remember -- in the president clinton days, we would have a national security meeting and the cia would be the entity that provides the intelligence. so the policy makers, the secretary of state, the u.n. ambassador, secretary of defense and the president, make the decision along with a national security adviser. if you are going to dispute the intelligence just raw intelligence, are there weapons here, did russia participate in this hacking, did putin say this

or that and you are not going to believe that, that's a real problem. that's a big problem in our decision making that this president is going to have. >> i want to play a bit of what congressman adam schiff told chuck todd this morning. here is that. >> do you think that decision to not come out as definitively before the election was a mistake by president obama? >> i do think it was a mistake. it was a mistake not to react more forcefully when north korea hacked us. those -- that lack of deterrence invited the russians to meddle and consider they could do this with impunity. >> what do you make of his assessment there? >> well, i just don't think that president obama should be blamed for this. this was an occurrence where the russians very early on started hacking into john podesta's e-mails, started hacking into the democratic national committee. they clearly wanted trump to

win. they hacked into the republican national committee. but they didn't act on that. they didn't disclose anything. they went with wikileaks to leak this so that they would have deniability. you know, this is a progression. i think president obama didn't want to interfere in what -- look, donald trump won. i mean, despite all this, he has enough votes to win. and he is the president-elect. and i respect that. i want him to succeed. but all of this is very troubling. he is running the presidency as a reality show. interviewing candidates, displaying his very strong positions on issues that a president-elect should not be doing. mike pence, the vice-president, is the one sensible person in there. he needs to intervene and change things. i'm just very troubled by all of this. >> you know, to that end i want to play what donald trump said

about the reports that he is skipping the daily intelligence briefings. here is that. >> well, i get it when i need it. >> is there some skepticism? >> these are very good people that are giving me the briefings. if something should change from this point, immediately call me. i'm available on one minute's notice. i don't have to be -- i'm a smart person. i don't have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years. could be eight years. but eight years. i don't need that. >> is there an argument to be made for this kind of approach? is it pragmatic or dangerous? >> it's irresponsible and dangerous. every single american president, republican and democrat, the first thing, the first event he or she has, well, it's been he only, is that daily intelligence briefing. the cia director comes in or the head of the central intelligence

or it's done on paper. you read what's happening around the world. but you also get special documentation and special information that nobody else gets. you need that every day in a very explosive changing world, not when donald trump thinks he is going to need it. he needs to start changing that practice, because that is going to be very dangerous if he just feels, well, this is the day i need intelligence briefing because my pre-assumed assumption is changing. it should happen every day. it should not be the vice-president. this is the president's role. not the vice-president. >> what about the reports of rex tillerson about to be tapped officially as secretary of state? do you envision any scenario in which his relationship with vladimir putin ends up working to u.s. advantage? >> yeah, it's a problem. i would have been comfortable with romney or giuliani or

senator corker or petraeus. this is very troubling. have very close relationship that appears to happen between tillerson and putin. the deals they have made together. the fact that tillerson is not criticized russia. the fact that tillerson is against sanctions when russia went into crimecrimea, into the spots against u.s. interests, in syria. this is very troubling. also, you know, the optics of having the head of the biggest oil company in the world run american diplomacy. and you know, making oil deals is not the same as being a national security adviser, knowing relationships, diplomacy. you know, i'm very uncomfortable with this. and this is drawing bipartisan scrutiny. it's not just democrats. >> all those you said you would have been comfortable with, specifically romney, why do you think he was passed over?

>> well, i think -- look, i'm not viewing internally what's happening in the trump campaign. but he created a lot of enemies by his statements. he was a pragmatic guy. the same with giuliani. he was respected overseas. petraeus. but i think this is a very, very bad choice. tillerson may be very bright. he may be a distinguished business leader. but his ties to putin, his lack of diplomacy -- knowing how to be a negotiator on diplomacy on national security, you know, yeah, knows a l of world leaders. but it was to make oil deals, not to make peace and protect americans. i'm very concerned about that one. >> all right. bill richardson, we will have you back again. thanks so much. >> thank you. new questions over fake news. why some say it's hard to convince people that what they are reading is not even remotely true. i will ask conservative radio

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let's go back to politics. new reactions from donald trump's expected secretary of state pick ricex tillerson. >> i am concerned about his relationship with russia. we want to make sure that the secretary of state is a person who represents america. i really do think members of the senate need to recognize our independent roles. we need to make sure we do it in an objective way. i can tell you, these are questions that are going to be asked. we want to make sure the next secretary of state will put america's interests before commercial interests. >> joining me is hugh hewitt. good to see you on this sunday. >> good morning, alex. >> before we get to the

tillerson pick, you heard bill richardson's alarmed reaction to donald trump's reaction to skipping the daily intelligence briefings. what's your reaction? >> i think that's a little premature by the ambassador. i listened to the interview with great interest. the daily brief has been the subject of controversy for many years. ike wouldn't take them during the '52 campaign. kennedy had a mixed reaction to them. they become more pressing as years go on. vice-president cheney used to take it twice a day. early in the morning, then he would take it along with president bush during the early war years. what i heard the president-elect say is that as of right now, he is not getting new material on a daily basis and has an entire government to staff. when mike pompeo was the head of the cia and the congressman will be confirmed and there's a new director of national intelligence, maybe that will change. i want to remind people, mike flynn is the incoming national security adviser, was the associate director of national intelligen

intelligence. mcfarland has been on the staff since kissinger years. he has very competent, capable people who know intel around him. the vice-president is taking the briefs as well. he is standing up a government. he is busy. this is fake news. that's what i think. >> so you are finding this to be pragmatic on his part, not dangerous? >> i'm not going to jump to any conclusions as to how well prepared the president-elect is on any issue, because right now, people are just grieving the election loss. so many of the stories that i see coming around aren't about the news. there's huge news with tillerson and ambassador bolton as number two. there's huge news with puzder going to labor and scott pruitt going to epa and mcmorris rogers going to interior. but democrats and some of our colleagues in the media are still obsessing over an election that's been over for five or six weeks instead of looking forward to the fact that the change that donald trump promised is happening at lightning speed.

>> what about your take on rex tillerson? what do you make about concerns being raised about him? >> i don't know mr. tillerson. i have taken 24 hours to e-mail around to some reliable national security people who tell me he is experienced, very competent at a global leader level, not just in russia but around the globe. he knows the world very well and will acquit himself as a very strong secretary of state if he is confirmed. i don't think shaking hands with putin disqualifies you. if it did, reagan would have been disqualified because he got along with gosh chef well. they probably don't know anything about russia. i'm alarmed by what russia did. but they have been spying and conducting espionage in this country since they put hits at fdr's elbow. i'm just shocked that people are

shocked that the russians are screwing with us. again, i think we're talking more about democrats getting their arms around being rejected after eight years of president obama on a top to bottom scale than we are the real news. >> how about your reaction to the criticism of donald trump's selection of wealthy business people for administration roles? he talked about this thursday. let's take a listen. >> by the way, some of the people i put on to negotiate -- you have been noticing -- are some of the most successful people in the world. one newspaper criticized me. why can't they have people of modest means? because i want people that made a fortune. because now they are negotiating with you. >> do you understand the concerns about whether the general public will be served by all these business people? >> i think it's overstated. again, alex, if you look at scott pruitt, the attorney general of oklahoma who will take over epa, he is a hard

working federalist lawyer who is an originalist, brilliant man. look at kathy mcmorris rogers, she just knows the department of interior. she knows washington state. she's married to a retired career naval office. she's qualified. andy puzder, taking over labor, came from nothing. he rose to the top because he is a brilliant enthusiast for growth and free enterprise. he is a profit of the franchise system. he is going to be a terrific secretary of labor. nikki haley, as -- i'm very happy with the team that he has put together. i'm a big mitt romney fan. i home governor romney ends up in paris and tillerson the secretary of state. i'm glad to see john bolton as the number two at the department of state. i don't think anyone should take that very seriously, john bolton is probably the preexnetanyach

conser conservetist. i have to say the talent upgrade between obama and trump is the difference between my beloved browns and the patriots and trump is the patriots right now. >> did you say that you want mitt romney to be u.s. ambassador to france? >> i think that governor romney is one of those people where given the stress that france is under, given his longstanding ties with france, that would make a lot of sense for mr. trump to do. i don't think this was revenge politics, one -- i think donald trump prefers mr. tillerson having spent a lot of quality time with five or six very excellent candidates, he has better chemistry with tillerson. the shakespearean drama that a lot of the media has is overblown. i'm focused on the people, the people are very good. the process is very sound.

the president-elect is very comfortable in his job. >> i want to ask you quickly about the issue of fake news after that gunman visited the pizzeria to investigate fake reports of a child sex ring being run there. it was ts to hillary clinton. hillary clinton spoke out on this saying this. >> it's now clear that so-called fake news can have real world consequences. this isn't about politics or partisanship. lives are at risk. it's a danger that must be addressed and addressed quickly. >> hugh, radio show host charlie sykes was talking to us about having to convince some of his listeners that certain news is fake. how have you been addressing this on your show? >> anyone who has been in the business as long as charlie and i have -- i have been doing radio since 1989 and any syndicated show since 2 0000. people will say they are organizing seven years of international events. you gently have to inform them

that take the tin foil off. the real fake news problem -- i trace to rather gate. when dan rather, fine news man, got taken in by a hoax about george w. bush's time in the national guard. that's when news media credibility never very strong actually shattered. now the assumption of bias in reporting is so strong that people look for bias confirmation that leads them to completely false news sites. the hardest thing to occur racu over years. not be taken in by what is -- i saw the report earlier today, the fellow who made $30,000 by making up a lie and putting it out there. unfortunately, there's a market for that. we have to reearn credibility every day in the media. you do it. everybody who has a camera or microphone do it. the internet makes it easy for not only domestic fake news

people but fake news from abroad to manipulate. i'm concerned with the russian hack and very concerned that russia pumps bad news out every single day via rt. we have to be careful of strutting too much when our own business has so many mistakes in the part. >> we will have a report on a guy who does fake news and makes a pretty penny. good to see you. thk you so much. >> thanks. we will start another conversation now. joining me molly hooper and josh barrow. a welcome to you both. josh, i hate to keep striking -- what's your' acti reaction to m trump skipping intel briefing snz. >> i don't think it's great. hugh expressed hope he will take them more often once he is president. i think trump -- you can see this back in the art of the deal. he rejects the idea of market research. all these people come to me and

tell me where to build buildings. i go out and look. i figure out where the good spot is. i build there. that's the attitude he will take to policy making, including foreign policy. i think the problem is that probably doesn't think it's very important for him to get all this expert information. i worry about that. i'm willing to be surprised. i don't expect to be pleasantly surprised. >> how about you, molly? i want to ask about the pushback by republicans like mccain. do you think they could change their reaction on tillerson? >> this leak that he is at parent choice is almost a trial balloon to see how he would be received by the individuals on capitol hill. one thing i heard from republican lawmakers on the hill is that donald trump is being very pragmatic about his choices. people that he can get through congress without having too much of a skirmish among republicans. by putting this trial balloon of rex tillerson out there, the administration is seeing -- the

incoming administration is seeing how republican senators are receiving this news. i think it's interesting that it comes the same weekend as the reports of this cyber war goes on between russia and the united states. it just creates more questions than answers in republican senators' minds, republicans who are critical of donald trump during the election for having this quote unquote putin love as one lawmaker told me. >> josh, do you envision ugly confirmation hearings over tillerson? do you think they would vote against a nominee from a gop president? >> it's possible. we have seen negative noise from rubio who treated it's not good to be friends with putin if you are going to be secretary of state. there's a lot of disagreement between donald trump and establishment republicans in congress. they will pick their battles. they won't try go against donald trump on everything. trump is popular within the party. they don't want to fight him. they will fight him on things that are important.

there are key groups of republicans in the senate who have very strong feelings about russia and foreign policy that run counter to trump. yeah, i think it could be difficult to get him confirmed. you have a smorgasbord of arguments against him. you can focus on the fact that he is an oil business executive whose experience in foreign policy is limited and focused around the needs of the oil industry which might not be the needs of america. it's likely this is a pick that could draw a lot of open decision. i think rand paul, because he sits on the foreign relations committee, can do a lot to stop john bolton. they can't report the nomination out of committee if paul and all of the democrats on the committee vote against proceeding with him. i think this is an area where trump is likely to see more opposition than on other picks he has made. >> what do you think, molly? you cover capitol hill. ugly confirmation hearings ahead? >> this could be an ugly confirmation fight ahead. it reminds me of advise and conse consent. i'm re-reading the book. it's about the secretary of

state pick who has ties with russia. this is back in the '60s when this is a big issue. that is an ugly scene. we will see. again, like i said, the lawmakers on capitol hill are saying that donald trump really doesn't want too many fights over his appointments. so that's why the fact that tillerson hasn't been officially announced yet is interesting. they have had this sunday to hear from all the players. >> josh, what about "the washington post" report on the cia saying russia hacked the u.s. to try to influence the election and help trump win? could they have done that, influenced it enough to change the outcome? is this just a democratic narrative as the gop is saying? >> could it have changed the outcome? my guess it that is did not. the margins were close enough in wisconsin and pennsylvania and michigan that you could make an argument this might have mattered, it might have moved enough votes if you hadn't had these consistent daily leaks from wikileaks of things that had been hacked out of democratic operatives.

that said, i think the more damaging story for hillary clinton was her own e-mail server and the fbi investigation. that's not something the russians had anything to do with. there are two things here. this is a concerning thing that happened. tea something th we shouldn't assume that russia did this with the intention of electing donald trump. there's some disagreement among intelligence agencies about that. which is a reason to have hearings and do the investigation. it doesn't make donald trump's election invalid in the sense that -- you see some people on the left talking about the electoral college should put somebody else up. we need a new election. that's not just a silly thing to say but it's damaging to democratic institutions. what happened is very unfortunate. we have to move forward. people voted. donald trump won enough voted in the right states such that he will be president. it is something that should be investigated. >> molly and josh, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. from patretroleum to patriotism, what does it have to do with rex tillerson? next. for lower back pain sufferers,

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welcome back. here is what we're monitoring. a kurdish militant group is claiming responsility for two bombings that killed 38 people. 30 of them police officers in istanbul. 155 others were wounded when a car bomb went off last night seconds before a suicide bombing. at tack came shortly after the end of a soccer match. turkey's president vowing he will catch those who planned attack and will -- they will face a heavy penalty. more on the report that rex tillerson is expected to be named at secretary of state. the president-elect tweeting this morning that rex is a world class player and deal maker and asking people to stay tuned. downing me now jim gains. a welcome to you. what should people know about rex tillerson? >> i think they should know that

we should give him a break for one thing. the guy is -- has run the biggest company in probably in the world. he is an amazing negotiator. he is very tough. the idea that he is friends with putin is i think naive. he has been running a multinational company whose interests are the interests of shareholders, not the interests of any particular nation. and that joint venture was not easy at all to negotiate. and the fact that did he did it important. negotiation is the diplomatic art. that guy is very, very smart. he has been agile. he has been very diplomatic just to get up through a 40-year career at exxon mobile is pretty remarkable. >> you have said he has patriotism. that's a big factor here. how so? >> i think that's the ultimate

question is whether somebody after 40 years at a multinational can understand that he is working for a different company now. and the company is us. but that said -- i'm sure the hearings will out that fact -- there's nobody who could create jobs better. this country is divided over that fact. the idea that we can put americans into american jobs is the idea that could unify this country. there's nothing more important than that. >> but how important is the art of job creation in being secretary of state? >> the foreign ministers of many countries are much better than our secretary of state has been traditionally in opening markets to american goods. the petroleum industry in itself understands -- this is partly thanks to rex tillerson -- that it has to transit to clean

energy. right now, general electric is big in wind power, for example, seamens is building wind power in the middle west, which is where jobs have been leaving. they rare insourcing american jobs in the west. i don't see why the petroleum companies aren't going to get into this. they will and they are. >> jim, here is what senator mccain said about rex tillerson this morning. let's listen to that. >> it's a matter of concern to me he has a close personal relationship with vladimir putin. and obviously, they have done enormous deals together. that that would color his approach to vladimir putin and the russian threat. but that is a matter of concern. we will give him his chance. that's what the confirmation process -- that's what advise and consent is all about. >> i couldn't agree more. that is what advise and consent is about. he raises exactly the point.

it's about patriotism. it's about whether he can keep his eye on who his new client is, not the corporation, but the american people. >> but, jim, is there any potential conflict of interest there? can you see a problem down the road with russia? >> the only conflict i can see in his case is that his stock would appreciate meaningfully if the joint venture were put back into play. the fact that he -- >> if sanctions were lifted? >> yeah. and the reason he opposed sanctions -- let's remember -- is that that was a meaningful hit on exxon mobile which was his responsibility. as secretary of state, his views are going to be radically different if his view is that of a patriot and not that of a ceo of a multinational corporation.

just as senator mccain said, i think we have to let the hearings happen and keep our mind on the facts that we know. i'm writing a book about the cold war period right now. the connection between national security and hyperpartisanship is extremely dangerous. the parallels are disturbing. i think that it's never been more important for us to keep our minds on exactly what we know rather than what we think. >> jim gaines, thank you so much. making money off of fake news next. spending the day with. i don't use super poligrip for hold, because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well fitting dentures let in food particles. just a few dabs of super poligrip free is clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out. try super poligrip free.

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the rise and alarming influence of fake news is gaining greater attention. we have take a look at the bonanza of bogus by speaking to people who read it and someone

who writes it. >> reporter: with fake news making real news headlines, secretary clinton calling it an epidemic, the pizza attack in washington, the obvious question is why do so many people turn to phony news sources? one answer to that can be found in newsrooms like ours. this fall, americans trusted mainstream media sources is at an all time low. do you trust the mainstream media? >> no. >> reporter: how you can tell when things are slanted and when they are not? >> you can't. i watch the mock news. >> reporter: are you getting better information from us at nbc news or last week tonight? >> last week tonight does not research and sometimes they are teaching me something. >> reporter: do you trust me? >> yes. >> reporter: you do? >> because you have glasses. >> reporter: distrust in media has emboldened fake news creators. this is your biggest election clicker. read that one. >> the motive behind the killing is being investigated but police

say brown was a highly respected agent with the fbi. >> reporter: is any of that true? >> not a single thing. totally fiction. >> reporter: in the days before the election, over 500,000 people on facebook shared the post who says he voted for clinton. 1.6 million people saw it on his website. how much money did this make you? >> around $8,000. >> reporter: is it worth it? >> this is one i would probably take back. google closed accounts running on the site. so even that money is gone. >> reporter: do you feel like the work you did from this computer affected the results of the election in any way? >> i do not. it's something that i'm glad you are here now talking about it. you should have been talking about it years ago. >> reporter: what's the role of the fake news in a democracy? >> it helps keep the real media honest. >> reporter: that's a claim that can't be fact checks. a bond between the fourth estate and the american people, that's something the numbers say is true. >> that's disturbing.

donald trump's call for law and order and why it may mean different things to different people. new reaction this morning from a republican senator next.

a few months ago, donald trump was calling president obama quote the worst president maybe in the history of the country, but today in a new interview, the president-elect said is. >> fair to say that you will take a wrecking ball to the obama legacy? >> no, i don't want to do that at all. i just want what is right. >> joining me is katie packer, and msnbc contributor and also romney 2012 deputy campaign member, and michael bazle who is executive director of the democratic party, and a senate aide, and glad to have you both. katy, is this what the conservatives were worried about with donald trump is disavowing

the initiatives of president obama and now not so clear and maybe he is coming out clearly? >> well, it is fuzzy right now admittedly and it is difficult to see what is going to happen when he is in the white house, and he prides himself on being unpredictable, and so far, he is unpredictable. >> and do the democrats take comfort in that because he is so vitriolic on the campaign trail. >> well, i don't know if comfort is the right word, but we will have to wait to see, because if you are rook loog at the picks that he has made over the past few days, any one of us believed that he was really interested in the governance and the picks for the cabinet are really, really importan important, and so we have to spend a lot of time looking at them, and the hearing a on the confirmation hearings are very, very important, but if you are looking back at the first meeting that he and president obama had, you can see the weight of the job that he is about to undertake on him. you could really see that. i think that as time goes on, he will realize that more and more that it is going to be hard to claw back all of the things that

have been done over the last eight years and longer. >> and so on the campaign trail, he repeatedly called himself the law and order candidate. and let's listen to what the gop candidate scott said. >> other people define it differently law and order. i see law and order as a good constructive part of what makes the community safer and from my approach and perspective, law and order environment is conducive for the higher quality of life and you will see more folks, hopefully out there in the neighborhoods enjoying themselves, more than in the past, and more law enforcement officers ap preepreciating the communities to spend time and spend time and when there is no incident at hand or crime to investigate. >> and what is your take there? >> the communities of the color have a different reaction to that terminology, and if you are

thinking of the way in which donald trump talked about law and order, he talked about it in lawlessness in the urban communities and he sort of spoke at communities of color as opposed to speaking to them, and when a lot of people hear law and order and it is not to say that we don't want law and order, because that is not true, but at the same time we want the community and the policing that the senator talked about more support coming from the neighborhoods so that a lot of the concerns and the problems that exist in the community are not going to be more, tensive over time, and we take it differently, but i think that the way that donald trump used it in the campaign has been problematic. >> and didi, how do you look at the way that they have interpreted it, and what are you thinking that they want to see? >> well, as basil said there are different ways that people interpret that phrase law and order, and a sense that we need to strengthen the local police departments and enable the local

governance to keep the streets safe, and when folks hear of people standing up to the police and second-guessing police it gives them pause, but most of the people have never had any real interaction with the police and so there is a real difference of opinion, and a lot of it has to do with the strengthening the local government. >> can i ask you about rex tillerson and the reportedk is tear of state pick here and the relationship with vladimir putin and is that cause for concern some. >>le with, it is cause for concern when somebody is seen as too cozy with somebody that we can consider to be a threat globally, but at the same time there is a difference of having a business relationship with somebody and having a cozy personal relationship with somebody, and one reason that people kind of tend to pick the people who have been in politics or been in government is because they understand the balancing act of the diplomacy and that is something that rex tillerson is going to have to learn, but the indications are that he is up to

the challenge. >> and your thought sms. >> jim gaines who you spoke to earlier made a good point, that it is the difference of the successful businessperson and the patriot and can he make that pivot and how long does u it take him to be making that pivot. the conflicts of interests are concerning as they should be to a lot of people. >> and thank you, both. that is a wrap for this show, and up next is "meet the press" with incoming white house chief of staff reince priebus with. start a new tradition. experience the power oith.. with leases starting at $319 a month. infiniti. empower the drive.

this sunday morning donald trump, the russians and the 2016 election. the cia has this sunday morning donald trump, the russians and the 2016 election. the cia has concluded the russians intervened to help elect donald trump. who as a candidate praised vladimir putin. >> i think i would have a good relationship with putin. >> at issue, how did the russians interfere? why did they do it? to what extent did they succeed? i will talk to donald trump's incoming chief of staff reince priebus, the top democrat in the house intelligence committee adam schiff and the former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul. plus, early reaction to donald trump's apparent choice for