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carolina in the house since 2010. and trump on his last leg of the victory tour, and even there his opponent, hillary clinton was not far from behind. >> here's what i noticed. four weeks ago, or just prior to, and always prior to, you people were vicious, violent, screaming where's the wall? we want the wall. now you are laid back and cool and mellow, right? you are basking in the glory of victory, and we're already getting to work. >> meanwhile in new york, clinton met with some of her campaign donors and tried to explain her loss with a shout-out to statistics expert, nate silver. >> take it from nate silver, the

voters railed against me because of the fbi letter, and that letter most likely made the difference in the outcome. >> later today trump will head to mobile, alabama, for the final rally of his thank you tour. and nbc's kelly o'donnell is there, and what about trump's latest pick? >> reporter: a couple things are developing now, betty. the south carolina congressman is officially now the choice of the president-elect to be the director of office and management and budget and he has been one of the most conservative house members and is considered a physical hawk. he is one of the people that has been to trump tower, and we have seen him on camera doing that, and he's the budget director for the trump administration, that will be viewed by many as a way for fiscal conservatives to have

their mark, and how can they trim budgets and make policy, and trump tweeted about the place we are right now, saying mobile, alabama, today, and the last rally of the year and it suggests he could do more in 2017 before he is inaugurated, and amping up the hype about the crowd expected here today, and as the president-elect has been making stops like this, more were in places that were a surprise or essential in the math to get him over the number to win the election, and alabama is where he was long-expected to win, and it's also the state of jeff sessions, and trump is continuing to talk to voters and continuing to look like he's in campaign mode, but the thing he is not talking about is russia.

back in rally mode. >> merry christmas, everyone. merry christmas. >> the president-elect took his thank you tour out friday night. but donald trump ignored the controversy over vladimir putin and russia's cyber attack on the u.s. election. hours earlier, president-elect urged trump to publicly support the bipartisan investigation. team trump shifted the spotlight back to hillary clinton. >> this would not have happened if hillary clinton did not have a secret server. >> however the hack hit the dnc and not clinton's home server, and in a speech to her campaign donors, clinton said her past criticism of putin's illegitimate election made her his target. >> he direct the covert cyber attacks against our electoral

system, against our democracy, apparently because he has a personal beef against me. >> clinton blamed putin and the fbi letter about her e-mail investigation for her defeat. >> i happen to believe this, that that letter most likely made the difference in the outcome. >> preparing to leave the white house, first lady michelle obama hinted at her disappointment over the results in an interview with oprah winfrey. >> see, now we're feeling what not having hope feels like, you know? hope is necessary. it's a necessary concept, and barack did not just talk about hope because he thought it was a nice slogan to get votes, and he and i and so many believe what else do you have if you don't have hope? >> reporter: also this morning, donald trump is tweeting about an issue with china, one of the

most delicate relationships the u.s. has and he tweets china steals the drone in waters and rips it out of water and takes it to china and this is referring to the seizure of american property of a drone that occurred yesterday and there's a lot of concern from u.s. officials about it. china is saying its working appropriately to return it and the u.s. officials are saying it was inappropriate and clearly marked as u.s. property and it's one of the most serious interactions between the u.s. and china in a number of years, and trump earlier had that conversation with the president of taiwan, something that was breaking protocol with china, so there are these sensitive issues, and he's using twitter to make comments about it as this situation is still unfolding. betty? >> thank you so much. and hans nichols is at the white house with the president's reaction to allegations of

russian hacking and the election. hans, this was the longest news conference of his presidency, and much of it centered on the hacking controversy. what stood out to you? >> the distinction between hacking into e-mails and he mentioned john podesta by name, and the interference on election day balloting, and his base may have wanted to hear more about the outcome and he was defensive on how he handled the whole russia issue, but if you listen closely there's a subtle mess toeupbmess -- message to russia. and it's important to do it in a

thoughtful and methodical way, and some will be done publicly and some will be in a way they know but not everybody will. >> reporter: and it was first aired by joe biden on "meet the press," and the homeland security adviser made that point a few days ago, and the people that made the attack will know when there has been some sort of cyber response. >> thank you. joining me now is ozzie and franchesca. could the president have handled this differently? remember, the fbi got a lot of backlash surrounding the clinton e-mail situation. >> and he said if he talked about it before the election he

would have seemed bipartisan, and donald trump is saying the white house is weighing in on the side of hillary clinton and saying the russians did it on purpose to give the election to him. >> why do you think donald trump ignored the russia situation at the rally, and why do you think that is? >> he doesn't want to talk about it. if intelligence agencies are agreeing that the goal of it was not just to undermine the election process, but time-out trump win, and that's not something he wants to explain to his base. he has shown time and time again he can argue against facts and his supporters will stick with him, but he wants to get past this to some degree, and he wants to start talking about how great his victory was and how much of a mandate he has, and how he's going to create jobs,

jobs, jobs. the more he talks about it, and the more reminds people there's controversy around his election. >> what is it going to take for everybody to be onboard? congressional hearings? >> it was like watching the movie "sliding doors," where you have two parallel realities and you are waiting for them to converge and everybody agree on what happened and what is real and what is not and i don't see that happening anytime soon. >> you are not offering much hope there. >> sorry. 2016 has been a lot. >> franchesca, hillary clinton said the hacking is one of the factors that led to her defeat, and her former campaign chairman is pointing to the fbi saying they gave more scrutiny to the e-mails than the russian hack.

should they take a little more responsibility for this loss? >> well, it's difficult to say at this point what would have changed if it hadn't been for the director comey's letter in the final days of the campaign, and if it had not been for the wikileak hacks which did dominate much of the discussion in the final weeks of the campaign, and at the same time hillary clinton was not campaigning as much as donald trump was, and he did hold more rallies, and he was hitting up four states a day sometimes when she was doing one or fundraisers, so it's difficult to say at this point if any of the other things had not happened if donald trump would have won places like michigan because he went there frequently and had his surrogates going there at the end of the campaign. >> and what about the cia assessment? >> a lot of people believed clinton would win. it was a difficult moment.

you didn't have as much information at the time was do now, or at least it was not made as available publicly, and i think the president was correct to say there was a hyperpartisan atmosphere, especially in the waning days of the campaign when he was obviously supporting one candidate, and it's a difficult to say that you are taking off your partisan hat and working as the leader of the country, and saying we have intelligence and we can't share it with you, but these are the conclusions, and it would have been criticized on the right, and there was no easy answer for the president, but the idea that hillary clinton was in the lead and was going to win, obviously played a factor in their opinion on how to proceed cautiously. >> this time president obama is talking about the democratic party reaching out to people who feel they are not being heard. >> we have to be in those communities, and i have seen that when we are in those communities it makes a difference. that's how i became president. i became a u.s. senator, not

just because i had a strong base in chicago but because i was driving around downstate illinois and going to fish fries and sitting in dfw halls and talking to farmers. >> was that an indirect jab at clinton? >> this is not the first time he made comments like this since this election as well, and he made similar comments at another news conference about iowa saying that's how he went to iowa, by going to all the counties and fish fries and dfws. they need to focus on grassroots organizing and put money and focus into a bottom up approach. >> for for your insight today and we appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. donald trump and his many businesses. let's talk about that. next, whether his company's problem should become america's

problems, and whether lines were blurred when his children took a seat at a much publicized meeting.

donald trump took his thank you tour to florida last night. the president-elect spoke to a packed crowd of over 11,000 people and made a surprising admission in an attempt to calm his crowd of supporters. >> four weeks ago, just prior to, and always prior to, you people were vicious, violent, screaming where's the wall, we want the wall! now same crowd -- that's right, deplorables. whatever happen to the deplorabl deplorables, they are not so deplorable. >> and our next guess supported

donald trump in the presidential race and joins us now. what is happening in the state house in raleigh, there was a bill that was signed into law that will limit the governor's powers, and it's not unprecedented but extraordinary, a lot of protest over this deeply divided state. is this the will of the people? should the governor not have the same power as the previous one? >> well, i will tell you, what i think -- this is really just kind of a nonissue really, because what we have right now is the republican veto-proof majority in the house and senate in north carolina, so the idea of limiting the governor's power, it's going to fall out that way anyway. you have a governing body that can overturn anything he puts forward, so he's already limited. i would caution my fellow republicans at the state level because the pen tau hrupl always

swings the other way at some point, and we have to be fair about things, and i certainly don't oppose what they have done, but i say proceed cautiously. >> you know, trump was praising his supporters for being more laid back and bg acknowledging perhaps they were not before, and the crowd said lock her up and one man yelled water board her, and do you think he should ramp down the rhetoric? >> well, you know, i think at this point, what you are hearing from the american people is the idea that, you know, they are so frustrated and tired, and they want to move forward. that's really what they are saying. we go back to the situation now where, you know, those on the left are saying that the reason that donald trump won this election is because of hacking

that took place and e-mails that came out, and it's because hillary clinton was a poor candidate. she lacked. and the american people saw that she put an unsecured server in her home and now we know they were hacking things that happened and that's where we need to start an investigation. the american people are ready to move forward but want justice as well, and when they are saying things like that, what they are saying is let's make sure we are moving forward and not putting national security and cyber security at risk. >> an op ed in the "new york times" asked is donald trump a threat to democracy. in the campaign he encouraged violence among supporters and pledged to prosecute hillary clinton and threatened action against unfriendly media and suggested he might not suggest the results, and can americans trust trump will follow the constitution? >> oh, absolutely.

there's no doubt in my mind. this man loves the constitution. he will abide by the constitution. it will be his guiding path. the constitution is what we are all about. you know, when we are talking about those things, though, you know, those are all things that were put out there in comments and opinions, and as far as inciting violence, we know that that was actually coming from the left at rallies, and when he talked about prosecuting her if he became president, that was before we knew there was an ongoing investigation into the clinton foundation which later came out. he's going to rely on the fbi and our law enforcement and our national security to deal with these issues, to delve into them to -- >> but president-elect trump did say these things, why should the american people think he's going to change now? >> i don't think he's going to do anything that would not abide by the constitution. he talked about the media

consistently, and his message is consistent. he wants the message that is true and real out there, and when he has come up against the media that has put something out that is untrue, he's gone straight to the american people whether it's with tweets or whether it's with rallies, and the american people appreciate it, and they love it. and he's going to continue to do this, my guess, is that he will continue to have this straightforward conversation with the american people because of his mistrust for the media. here are the things, the american people can rely on donald trump. you see the issues that he has already dealt with. he has not even gone through the inauguration process and he's making changes that are very positive in the united states, and you know what, it's time for everybody to come together and unify and move forward, and donald trump is going to be the next president of the country -- >> we understood that. >> we all have to come behind him. >> there are reports emerging the president-elect does not

plan to divest from his companies and the alleged reason is if he sold the properties now it would be a fire sale. isn't that something he should have considered before running for president? why make this the american peoples' problem? >> i don't think it's a problem at all. i think they are doing their due diligence when dealing with this issue and i think they are being very careful. this is an unprecedented election on so many different levels. it's not conventional. we never had a businessman like donald trump become president of the united states before. this is really going to set precedents moving forward and i believe that's the reason they are being as careful as they are about it. let's be honest, throughout history as presidents have come and gone, i go back to jimmy carter who was a farmer. i don't believe he gave up the farm to become president of the united states. >> that's not the same comparison though. you have to be fair here. >> is it not? >> no, it's not. >> what is the difference?

donald trump is a businessman and he is highly diverse in his deals and intrapreneur and developer and somebody that understands the people. donald trump is -- >> donald trump has worldwide companies. you are talking about a president that had a farm in georgia. it's really on two different levels. >> business is business. business is business. >> trump had a summit this week and his children are in attendance and two of the three children are expected to run the business in january, so should they have had a seat at the table at that meeting? >> i saw that and i thought about it, and i thought, you know, these folks -- i think they all know each other. you are talking about a discussion around a table with tech leaders in this country, and the focus of the meeting was job creation and how donald trump can make sure that he is working with these individuals. i don't believe there was anything there that was

contradictory to that. let's remember, the man has not taken office yet. let's be careful about what we're putting on him at this point before he is actually inaugurated and in this position, and i think you will see a different array of individuals around the table. >> thank you for joining us today. i appreciate your insight. >> thank you. brutal cold. temperatures plunge below normal in at least 45 states. we have a live report. that's straight ahead.

welcome back, everyone. i am betty nguyen here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. at the half hour this is what we are monitoring for you. in aleppo, some 4,000 people are expected to be helped out. and u.s. ambassador to the u.n., samantha power, favors the french plan and says a vote on

it could come this weekend. millions of americans caught in an arctic deep freeze, dropping temperatures below normal in at least 45 states. this is a storm packing snow, sleet and freezing rain and makes its way east. and morgan ratford is out there. >> reporter: 25 degrees out here, and can you imagine how cold it feels, especially when the wind starts coming through. the reality is we are seeing part of the arctic blast that does not look like its going anywhere in time soon, and it's the kind of ice that has caused major accidents across the country and significant delays in area airports like new york and laguardia's airport, and dulles have had to completely shut down all of the runways because of the ice on the runways, and we have seen major traffic accidents like a pileup

in boston, and people all across the northeast are being asked to exercise extreme caution, especially if they are going to hit the road today. we are talking to people on the streets that are expecting to see eight inches of snow in the next two days. listen to how they are preparing. >> you have to account for -- >> use common sense. you just have to be smart about everything, and make sure you are equipped in your cars and a shovel or scraper in the car, and make sure you have adequate boots and clothing. this is the north. this is not florida, so you have to be ready for pretty much anything. >> reporter: betty, just to give you a sense of scope, we are talking 150 million americans who are still under a winter weather advisory this morning, and it's not just the snow and the ice. 35 million americans are suffering from bone-chilling

freezing temperatures and pls because of the windchill, and that windchill has been declared for those americans, dangerously cold, betty. >> sounds like it and looks like it and that map was not a pretty picture. stay warm out there. >> thank you. the unrest in north carolina over an extraordinary power grab, and one of the protesters highly recognizable, and president obama's news conference answering questions about russia's interference in the election and what should happen as a result.

to politics now. president obama holding his final end-of-the-year news conference. what was the motive of russia's interference and what should happen now? >> we will take action and we will at a place and time of our own chooseings. >> joining me now a former aide to hillary clinton, and scott jennings, white house director

of george w. bush. the president spent 21 minutes on the first question about russia, and did his answers clear anything up? >> to me they did because he said that, look, we knew about this and we talked about it openly but we didn't go into a tremendous amount of detail or take action because he didn't want to look as though he was influencing the election in a way that would come across as being untoward. we knew where it was coming from and we heard it at the end of the election style and it was disturbing and it changed the narrative of the race towards the end. i think he did enough to articulate what they knew when they knew it, and how they were going to actually go about dealing with it to the extent that he could discuss it. i am confident that in the final weeks and days of his administration he will take russia to task.

>> we will see how that happens. here's a moment from yesterday. take a listen. >> in this hyperpartisan atmosphere, at a time when my primary concern was making sure that the integrity of the election process was not in any way damaged, and at a time when anything that was said by me or anything in the white house would immediately be seen through a partisan lens, i wanted to make sure that everybody understood we were playing this thing straight. >> does this answer satisfy questions about why the white house didn't do more about the russian hack? did the white house in effect help trump, perhaps? >> you raise a great question, and if i were a democratic political operative, which i am not, i would be upset that obama chose december to say things instead of november, and this nation is so weak and we lack

respect around the world that russia would have the temer tea to even try it. now we have the chinese stealing things out of the water as well. and that has caused a probing of what will we do? what did we do? nothing. the white house did nothing in october and now we are rattling or shaking our fist in december when it's too late. i think this white house failed. if they truly believed vladimir putin was personally directing attacks on the election integrity, they had -- >> i disagree. i take issue with two things. number one the president did speak to the fact that he got the cia and fbi involved immediately, so he did take action. what i would also say is we have a short memory, because it seems to me that donald trump himself asked russia to hack us. we kind of forget that. so i don't understand why he is

not being taken to task for encouraging the russian government to hack into us. he did do that. >> if the president had weighed in, wouldn't he perhaps be on the other side right now complaining about it? >> when you are the president of the united states, whether there's an election going on or not, if you feel there's a serious cyber security breach of a major process in the united states such as a presidential election, don't you have the responsibility to report that to the american people? i hear now he was afraid to do it because he didn't want to see it as putting the thumb on the scale, and the guy was out campaigning for hillary clinton, and there was no secret he wanted hillary clinton to win the ae hrbgtion, so the concept to say we didn't want people to think we were favoring one side or the other is a failure to me. they are trying to report it now, but it's too late, and democrats ought to be upset about it if this intelligence is true. >> there's no secret the russian

president wanted hillary clinton to lose, and that's no secret. it's clear in the hacking, it only happened on one side and the truth of the matter we did hear about it early on and it already happened, and once wikileaks got a hold of the actual distribution of the e-mails, it's something that could not stop. the cia and fbi were informed. >> it only happened on one side, and they tried to hack the democrats and succeeded and tried to hack the republicans and failed. it only happened on one side and it only happened to one party because their security systems were not good -- >> now it's about the security systems. >> basil, you are going to cast your vote and they are talking about elect tors flipping their votes, and what do you expect to happen? >> in new york, hillary clinton won new york pretty handily, so

i don't think you will see anybody going to donald trump in new york and other states. listen, i have been getting calls and e-mails with request for me to change my vote, and i know there are people calling through elect tors around the country. and by and large, i think you will see electors go the way the states have gone. >> a "wall street journal" reporter says trump will not liquidate his business empire because the family thinks it's going to be a fire sale. i want to direct this at you. shouldn't he have thought about that before running? >> look, i think he probably did think about it before running but he's running a kind of campaign that was different than most other people run, and he's a different kind of a person, he owns things. we had other presidents like barack obama that did not own much and bill clinton did not own much when he took the white

house and he has different circumstances he has to deal with, and the trick is you have to keep a separation between governing and what is going on with your business empire and he will have different people than himself to run the business empire and as long as they keep a good operation, i don't think it will be a problem, and he got elected to the white house fair and square, and the concept you have to give up everything you are when you are is what people voted for doesn't make much sense to me. >> we don't know exactly what he is, right, because even though he thought about it and talked about it in a trivial way, this is what tax returns will help the american people understand, what do you own and where are your feelers are. we don't know information about that and we just found out he's the executive producer on his own show, and so it is a bit concerning. i think the american people do

have a right to know exactly how his business interests are going to impact his decision making when he is president of the united states. >> let me jump in here, because scott i want to ask you about north carolina specifically, the effort there to limit the governor's powers. is this what voters there want? >> well, you know, the north carolina governor's office is one of the weakest in the country already, and that's largely because when democrats held it years ago there was a lot of democrat party in-fighting there and they passed laws to try and limit the governor's office and scramble state government, and republicans are trying to restore some of the scrambling that went on there, and this governor's office is already constitutional extremely weak. i am not sure what they did here is going to be impactful of the guy in the office because the office is weak to begin with. >> this is why people don't like

politics, because they feel it's too much of an inside game, that you are going to change the rules to benefit one side or another when it's convenient. this actually bothers me. i think -- you know, regardless of whether or not the seat is weak in and of itself, it just has bump more weaker. >> thank you both for the spirited conversation today. >> thank you. >> thank you. the deaths of despair and the crisis of aleppo. next hour on "am joy," tpabg and fiction on how two deal with the truth. fact and fiction on how two deal with the truth. coaching means making tough choices.

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we have breaking news out of aleppo and syria where evacuations in rebel-held areas are expected to resume today, and 7500 escaped the war-torn city on friday, and opposition

groups are blaming each other for the breakdown of the cease-fire agreement. matt, civilians are paying a bit of a price in the battle. give us the latest on that? >> well, that's right, betty. it was on and then off and then on and then off again, all in the space of one week. but a deal to evacuate was thought to be tens and thousands of civilians and rebel fighters from east aleppo appears to be tenuously back on. and there's obviously very little reason for optimism, but for civilians trapped in the hold-out rebel-held neighborhoods of aleppo, this is their best chance for escape and survival, and the negotiations are from a pair of towns to the west, and rebels have laid siege

to those two cities in the same way pro-government cities laid siege to aleppo. iran insists over the past several days that two cities be evacuated simultaneously along with people from east aleppo. most rebel groups in east aleppo conceded to that demand, but one hard-line group has resisted all week until just today. the rebel group has finally agreed to allow wounded people to leave, and given the tract record. >> a lot of us are watching closely. thank you so much. it seems now in the wake of the election america is understanding the dangers of fake news. that's next. drastically.

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the harmful impact of fake news is the granddaughter of the ledgendary film of president kennedy's assassination with his home movie camera. he writes about the impact has had on the nation and her family in her new book "26 seconds:a personal history." and about pizza gate, writes about how the film generated conspiracy theories that implicated her grandfather. she joins us now to share her story. good morning. i want to start with this film. in what ways was your grandfather related to the jfk assassination? >> some of those theories came about because people -- some of them were sort of more in the mainstream. there was a theory that evolved over the decades that my grandfather was complicit in the altercation of the film that took place the weekend of the assassination. other theories that he had associations with people who

were friendly with lee harvey oswald and a loose kind of idea that maybe he was involved because he was russian, that he was somehow involved in this, you know, complicit with lee harvey oswald. and some of the more really outlandish ones i don't think anybody really believes are as extreme as the idea that he was the one who fired the fatal shot from a camera that was really a gun, which is, of course, completely ludicrous. >> what parallels can you draw between what happened to your grandfather and the fake news today, like at the pizza shop two weeks aing? >> we have to see this over sort of evolution of this over time. it's really important, i think, to remember the conspiracy theories that came out of the kennedy assassination were, you know -- there was genuine confusion about what occurred. and lee harvey oswald was, of course, killed and people relied very heavily on the film to try to determine what happened to the president.

and yet much -- it wasn't necessarily clear or it wasn't something that everyone could agree on. so there was a grain of doubt that led to, i think, a conspiracy movement. now we're in a completely different situation, where, you know, people who are motivate the by political ends or by profit are peddling stories that have no basis in reality. it's not as if there is some question whether or not there might be a child sex labor being run out of ping-pong in washington. that's, of course, completely insane. and yet if people are not careful about where they get their news and they're not discriminating and discerning, they may simply absorb it and believe it. and that's very, very damaging. >> well, big picture, how did the jfk conspiracy theories change the way it changed the government? >> i don't know if it was the theories themselves. what happened is the government's failure to present to the american people a really convincing and plausible story about what happened to the

president opened the way for many doubts and many questions. and some of the conspiracy theorists early assassination researchers were people who, you know, brought forward very important information. and then over time, certainly things changed. and those -- many of those conspiracy theories became more and more, you know, sort of out of the realm of possibility. and, you know, one of the things that happens when you begin to talk to people or read conspiracy theories that you find that it's very difficult to gain any kind of grounding. that there are just sort of facts that are put next to each other or, you know, associations or vague generalities, innuendo that isn't based on fact. and that can be very, very damaging in terms of how we understand our past. >> very quickly. i want to talk about your book. and what -- as a viewer, what's important for them to know from that. what do you want to highlight from that, very quickly? >> you know, the book is really about both our family, the life of our family, and our

relationship to the film. and the way that the film influenced and affected american life. you know, it had such a pervasive effect, not only on the assassination debates, but also on sort of political culture and american culture and film and art. and in terms of mediaethics, deep questions about what the american public should and shouldn't see. so the sort of pervasive nature of the film, i think that whole story hadn't been told in a clear way. and that was really what i set out to do. >> author of "26 seconds" alexandra, thank you for joining us today. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm betty nguyen. next on "a.m. joy," what's being called a political coup in a state that voted for donald trump. he kids to get a repair estimate. liberty did what? yeah, with liberty mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila! voila! (sigh) i wish my insurance company had that... wait! hold it... hold it boys...

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