that does it for this hour. i'm katie turr. mtp daily starts right now. >> they may have swung this presidential election. with a manhunt under way, president-elect trump continues to react. >> was the state fish of hawaii. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now.

>> you are all trying out. chuck todd here in washington. welcome to the age of the american skeptic. the big political stories. clinton won by nearly three million votes in what appeared to be a direct reaction. donald trump unloaded defensively dismissing the popular vote. campaigning to win the electoral college is different and more sophisticated. hillary focused on the wrong states. i would have done better if that is possible if the winner was based on popular votes.

i have not heard commentators commenting on i spent far less money on the win than hillary on the loss. we get it. you don't want us mentioning the popular vote anymore apparently. it's not just an american political institution of sorts that are taking a beating. trust in the fbi is taking a big. they have a great deal or confidence in the fbi. the e-mails re.

slightly more than friends and family. 65% did not. here's a big one. the national news media is made up by folks who are supposed to be skeptical by institutions. the country is skeptical about the people whose job it is to be skeptical. they don't like that we are skeptical. eliana johnson. the senior vice president at the center for american progress. this issue of institutions. we put them all up.

>> what's remarkable is the schools. it's one thing to say that people don't like the media and congress. this election crystallized the frustration about the fact that the world has been changing drastically for the last 20 years and not only they not trust that institutions are there to help them navigate these changes, but they don't think they can do it. >> i feel like it's the c word. control or lack there of. the more lack of control people think they have, the more skeptical they are. >> it's a symptom of and a product of these things. there were institutions you didn't mention, but the financial crisis is there. >> they are there too. >> people lost trust in banks and big financial institutions and conservatives have lost trust in the supreme court. and obamacare and the gay

marriage issue. the police i think a lot of people have lost trust. trump essentially got up and said you aidiots and morons. all of these events play out. people who were supposed to be authority figures were really shown to be hollow. >> let's not forget bernie sanders beat it up during the primary. >> it was popular to beat up on all institutions during 2016. you are right. this is going on for a long time. we did polling after the election to look at how people felt about the institutions. they want to believe that government can be a tool for good. they don't have the faith in it yet. it's not completely snuffed out. >> this won't surprise you. high levels of confidence, local government 34%.

that's not great. that was the top. and of course congress at 16. >> of course everyone was reelected overwhelmingly. >> everybody else. >> forget the bottom three. >> everything has gotten nationalized. in our county right across the river for the county board race, the issues were abortion, gay rights and you are like i don't think that's what the county board does. the people were using those as queues about whether they could support a candidate.

>> that was happening in say legislative races too. >> the power of institutions actually has been degraded and trump himself is a product of this. if the rnc had any say of who the candidate was and any control, he would not have been the republican candidate. he is a product of and a symptom of the problem of the degradation of institution. >> it's his government now. >> right. >> it's his government now and it's sort of like at what point it was interesting. they gave him a long leach on that. what kind of leash does trump have in restoring trust in the federal government. >> i don't think he has a very long leash. he got into office making promises that he would make a lot of change soon. everybody else was idiots and he can make the changes quickly. i don't think people are going

to give him -- >> they have high expectations. >> he set them for himself. >> i think you or of the nbc folks said in a focus group in cleveland, voter who is supported donald trump, the number one issue is he has to bring the economy and jobs back. whatever that means for them, but everything else he has a long leash. they don't think he is going to build the wall and they don't care. they don't care about the immigration plan and the promises that he made on the campaign trail. they do hold him accountable for jobs. >> let me throw in something. newt gingrich said something about this and i think this will get at the trust issue of what donald trump can do on conflicts of issues. it will be politically insane, but take a listen. >> he also has frankly the power of the pardon. i mean it is a totally open power and he could simply say look, i want them to be my

advisers and i pardon them if anyone finds them to have behaved against the rules, period. technically under the constitution, he has that level of authority. >> this is about whether he wants his kids involved or others with potential conflicts. that's his power, but that to me would be politically a stupid thing to do. >> the question we get into now, on the campaign trail, we kept seeing him do things and everybody said they are doomed. does that continue? >> i actually think it's perhaps possible he could do that and nobody would care. i don't know. i was wrong about a lot of things. >> using the power of the pardon? >> i don't know. i think if trump actually does follow-through on his promises.

the draining of the swamp is a big thing. that's important. this to me is extra swampy. >> i hear this from other people. this was other people. this was corruption. i had the people say this. of course he can't be corrupted. he has his own money. what they are upset about are people who come to washington without money and leave with a lot of money. he is coming in and why would he want to make more money? >> i think he gets caught looking like they are in this to get richer. >> if that is the key, that's right. he has a lot more cushion than you would think that he does. >> by the way, drain the swamp for some it was keeping the clintons away from washington. >> i totally agree with that. i don't think that to us the swamp is republicans and democrats alike.

>> i don't think the public perceives them. they are not known and they are known quantities on the public stage for a long time. you can still be an outsider. i hear your point, but when you rail against wall street, that's who you bring in immediately. i think that's hypocritical. will he be held accountable for it? i don't know. >> his voters have shown a lot of patience for him in ways that have totally thrown many people for a loop. you guys are here for the hour

which i appreciate. coming up from berlin to syria. in this time of turmoil and tragedy, how will america first play out on the world stage? stay with us. bl

we can't go a day without a north carolina update. here's an update on the roller coaster. here's where we are right now. things are tough to follow. they are working to pass a bill to take hb 2, the bathroom bill off the books and interestingly enough, republicans are leading the effort to pass the bill with minimal democratic support. the push may not get a vote. you will remember that state law was passed in response to a local ordinance that let transgender people use the bathroom with the gender with which they identify. up until a few hours ago, it seemed they reached a deal and

the state would repeal the law after they fully repealed the ordinance. charlotte fulfilled their deal and the repeal comes with a-month cooling off period that bars them during that time. that has democrats complaining that it could be made permanent and that was not part of the deal. so here we are, currently waiting on movement from the general assembly. we are a long way from march, but we definitely had our fair share of madness. keepinga i close eye on developments. we will keep you updated. meanwhile, we will talk global politic in the age of trump with the atlantic's jeffrey goldburg. bl where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor.

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he is a tunesian citizen and officials tell us he applied for and been denied asylum. isis issued a statement saying it was launched and provided no evidence to support that claim. president-elect donald trump spoke to reporters briefly about the attack today. . >> >> meanwhile, fallout in turkey after russia's ambassador was assassinated by a man who shouted god is great and don't forget aleppo. russia, iran and turkish officials struck a peace deal in syria. the united states of america was not invited.

as we discussed, so much of the global instability can be traced back to one country, syria. the microcrisis created by the civil wars are wreaking havoc around the western world. take a look at what donald trump said about getting involved in syria. >> we are going to get bogged down in syria. if you look at what happened with the soviet union, they went bankrupt. they were there so long. >> you think putin is going to get -- >> he will get bogged down. everybody that touched the mideast got bogged down. >> jeffrey goldburg is editor in chief. you get the chief title, that is something. it boggles the right knowing that they are participating in a

major peace initiative. they talk about russia and going there. it's going to get bogged down. the fact of the matter is that they haven't gotten bogged down and they are driving this train at the moment. they are not in a quagmyre yet. it can turn to a quagmyre. turkey for its own reasons. they want russia to be involved in the process and iran wants it. >> explain why turkey wants russia. i understand a lot, but -- >> everyone has their own interests. the russians have an interest in combatting islamist terror. turkey is worried about the kurds. the kurds in syria have a mini state right now. they are at the cusp of

independence and they have a large kurdish population and they worry about those seeking independence. you do what you need to do and we will do what we need to do here. >> russia will turn a blind eye on what turkey does for the kurds. >> look. >> we function no matter who the president is. we will see what happens with the next president. he function at a practical disadvantage in the situations because we demand adherence to norms and before. >> what's interesting here is this is happening and this is the obama administration. john kerry would like to be in that meeting. i don't get a sense that we were at president trump, what he sees today is a big deal. >> if trump were sitting here, he would say have a meeting. >> good luck to you. >> here doesn't care.

what's interesting is these two are -- obama is on one end of a continue yum. there is a certain link in that both of them look at the mideast as a nightmare for america and they both decided in their own way that it's not important to be engaged. both of them are to a certain extent run. president obama manages this issue in a much more coherent way and there is a system in place. we are on the back foot in a lot of these situations. everything can be revised for history's sake. i want to take a look at libya and syria. the conventional wisdom is we

missed up getting involved. libya was a mistake. if you look at lives saved, was libya a mistake? they were worried about a slaughter. the western world was worried about a slaughter. that was the rational. president obama was reluctant to go in. it's fragile and libya is a mess. it's not syria. i know libya is not as complicated as syria. >> it is not densely complicated. say what you want about libya, if syria looked like libya, that would be a success. >> this is a great sport in washington. if i had done x, then y. we will never know for sure. being moved across north africa. it is not by any means a good

situation. >> president obama said that lives were saved. the intelligence suggests that gadhafi would have killed a number of people. i don't want to get into the hot take business saying that was a good thing. the problem was we went in and didn't want to go in. we didn't go all the way. that was based on the last decision made rather than thinking about the unintended consequence. the sin was underreaction. they had the hesitation and now we have something entirely different and i don't know how to interpret what he is going to

do. he is going to take both, but the question is which both. you can picture him being very aggressive and overreacting to a singular situation. >> right. a berlin-style situation. this is the problem when something happens. there might be an overreaction or under reaction.

>> not a left winger. what is that going to mean? what does that mean to the process? they are hurtful to him politically. they are more closely aligned on the right than his coalition. talk about vertigo. let's be fair. with all due respect, it's not the most important job in the world.

it has been run out of the white house. yes, we lean. basically trump is saying we are taking sides. he wants to make jared his son in law. trump as a negotiator and deal maker. the biggest deal you can possibly make. trump can envision himself

getting a peace deal that alluded every other president. it could be very, very tempting for him knowing him. he is a go big or do nothing. >> it's boring. >> this smells of go big. >> now is not a good time. maybe it is by the rules. i can't wait after spending three weeks in the mideast hearing how all the experts that you do that don't live in the united states try to interpret what's going on. >> that's all they are doing. >> i can't wait for the piece. >> that's all they want to know. what is he going to do?

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>> democrats are playing blame games weeks after donald trump's victory pointing fingers in every direction. they focus on the fbi and james comey and russian interference led by vladimir putin believes that is what pushed them to

victory. they kept clinton's message and some are saying clinton lost because she was a bad candidate and don't forget about the problems in rural america. they don't provide a way forward for the democrats. they need to focus on the heartland. embracing white voters that may have voted for donald trump. simply put, democrats need to expand sensitivity training to those who live in small town and rural america. middle class white voters and white who is attend church once a week. they need to get over donald trump and the specifics of what happened in 2016 and think about how in their rush into america's future they left behind a large number of voters who are still very much here right now. joining me is the columnist, charlie cook who is the publisher of the cook political

report. it seems simple. you know who agrees with you? barack obama. >> you can cry in your beer and say if, if, if, but this race shouldn't have been that close and had they done the mechanics right, allocating resources and all these things could go wrong and they still would have won. the fact is that hillary clinton won only 16% of the countries. president obama won 22%. yes, i know the population is concentrated in other counteiec but given the way it is constructed and the house and the senate and electoral college, you have to have a footprint broader than what the democratic party has. >> what would have happened had this worked for the democrats? had hillary eeked out a areao win and won this way. democrats would not be having a debate about going back to rural

america. >> they probably wouldn't. you could replay this thing a lot of ways. and i do think the democrats have just gotten ahead of it. yes, our country has changed. it is changing. but it hadn't changed as much as they think it has. they need to pull back a little bit. i think part of it is -- >> how do you do it without looking like you are stereotyping again. the democrats are struggling because they feel as if gains were made in marriage equality and the way of the black lives matter movement. some say what does it mean and how do you look like you are scapegoating minorities again. >> democrats don't know how to talk to a lot of these people that go to church and people of value. the democratic party is secular and a party that --

>> outside african-americans. >> yes. that's the one. >> where they are not. >> almost other than a couple of prayers at the convention, that's it. the thing is a lot of americans and a lot of these voters out in real america where i grew up and okay, sort of where you grew up. these are people with a different value structure. and they don't recognize where the democratic party has become. >> what's funny is that before this election, rural america said this is not my country. after it's coastal america said this is not my country. yes, the democrats are, but the republicans have a problem too. i would say democracy has a problem. we cannot -- there is no example of a western democracy that survives with divides like this. this is scary. >> it is and it's a problem going on worldwide. the fact that this billionaire

son of a millionaire who lives in a penthouse on the 50th could peer into blue collar working class people and sense the seething that was going on, this explosion. >> better than a scott walker who grew up in middle america. >> think about the focus groups we have gone to. what is the smallest city that you have ever been to a focus group. >> probably dayton. >> there is a lot of america that is outside urban areas. we tend to ignore them. they feel ignored by the two coasts and the leadership. i think they didn't talk to pollsters. they just simply didn't pick up the phone or they hung up. >> i have this concern that data, big data has been instructive in american politics. it got rid of persuasion.

is that part of the problem? that's the world series. it's sort of like we had thrown or at least the campaigns moved post polling when the an lytics is not ready yet. >> they are all demo graphers and they don't persuade a single soul. >> president obama is a different person than hillary clinton. and to expect the same kind of turn out dynamics is fundamentally a mistake. >> what should the party view the role of the chair next year. how should they view that? that makes it the most effective way to go. >> i have a lot of democratic

operatives. i think when howard dean tried to do the 50 state strategy and it was goofy. the thing about it is the party needs to actually be working physically in lots of places. it reached into a lot of places. the idea was to have a national campaign and a national party. right now it doesn't look like a national party. say what you will. 06 and 08. bad political years. >> i get trashed by people in the party infrastructure. >> they didn't get a contract is my guess. charlie took. >> have a great holiday. >> coming up, fishiness in hawaii. my obsession comes out of the aloha state. it is not from the movie forgetting sarah marshall. we will tell you what it is.

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>> tonight i'm obsessed with a little matter of presidential legacy. i'm obsessed with a fish. a marine biologists discovered a new species in a remote marine preserve off the hawaiian coast. it caught the scientist's eye because of its coloring because

it reminded the scientist of president obama's campaign logo. look closely. the resemblance might be a bit hard to see, but again i'm not a marine biologist. so they named it after the president. ladies and gentlemen, you are looking at what is apparently the first thing the state of hawaii named after president obama. not a school, a fish. it now belongs to the species of obama. i'm obsessed with how you pronounce the place where the fish lives. i can't pronounce it. can you? let's see a native hawaiian try. >> quadrupling the size of our monument. >> not super convincing. anyone else at the white house want to give it a shot? >> i'm happy to take your questions about the national

marine monument or anything else on your mind today. >> look at the kansas city native do it. hawaiians have been known to embrace their native tongue. the state's legislature voted on a bill to establish this as their state fish. if you see one snorkeling, give it some room. here's one thing i can say in hawaiian. to president obama and hawaiians everywhere.

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they thought it could get perm thatiti nent. i guess this is good news for cooper. he gets to try to do this as governor rather than that. >> huh to come to me. >> i had been following the bathroom bill drama and i was sympathetic to the republicans on the power grab issue since it went through the legislature and i thought it was miski mischaracterized as a power grab. the bathroom billie don't entirely understand. it's odd for someone who looks like a woman to be told they have to walk into a men's restroom and vice-versa. i haven't been following the legislative scenery.

>> so that cooper could -- the goal here would be that roy cooper gets to come in, sworn in with off of his back. >> so he could come in with it and say come back, business. come back to north carolina. and then he gets the credit for bringing the business. >> there are real deadlines here. and the republican legislatures have been getting heat locally because the acc tournament won't be there. they are recommending the republicans there, getting heat. no bidding. and these applications are due in the first couple weeks for january 2020. so they had a sense of urgency here. >> it is really, everything that has happened in north carolina since the end of the election has been crazy. and i disagree a little bit.

it is a total complete power grab what the republicans did. i don't know what will happen. i was trying to follow along. i am so confused. hopefully when they come back, they can get their act together. >> you're not alone in the confusion. do, are voters paying that much attention? are they gambling that a bunch of voters in north carolina aren't? it's holiday week. i have to go shopping. i have family coming to town. i don't know. they think it is not a problem. >> nobody is paying attention to this in the way that folks do this are. but i think if you're in the business community and the number one concern for 2017 is, whether it is the acc tournament or a business coming in, that you have this just done. i just want it cleared off so we can go back to doing our regular day to day. >> the state of north carolina, it always stood out in the south.

they've just stayed above all the fights that take place in the south. and now they're getting dragged into everyone of them and it is really putting a stain on the state in a different way. >> i think it stood out in that it went for donald trump and was widely expected to go for hillary clinton. on the state level, pat mccrory lost and i think that was a testament to the unpopularity. >> no doubt. two republicans above him on the ticket. virginia was like this for a while, too. the state that was changing. i think the surge was something that ultimately tipped virginia in a way that's not for north carolina. yes, you have charlotte. the rest of the state is still pretty spread out. >> we can merge the conversation i just had with our buddy. and this story.

because it is an urban rural split in the state of north carolina. and the social issues in general have been base clay coastal, rural split. and that is more of a challenge for the democratic party sometimes than the republican party. >> i think it is. i think there are many lessons that can be learned. i think that north carolina, while the demographic changes are happening slower, they are happening. so i am curious to see what happens. >> should the answer always be, wait for it to change? >> no, no. it does seem like in the same way, republicans need to realize latinos came out in full force against trump and we're lucky that other parts of that coalition didn't come out or it

could have been a swamping out west. right? >> in many ways, in a lot of the states, we saw people retreated to trump or reached for trump as a response to a lot of democratic cultural issues. but i think in north carolina, it was a counter example. there was a little republican overreach on mccrory's part on this bathroom issue which was unpopular. so i think that's in part why it stood out. as a counter example. >> this is why it is helpful if you're in a purple state, a blue governor in a red state, to have split legislature. if this were up to mccrory, this bill would not have been here. >> he had the super majority and your governor is on the same party. this is why being a republican in a blue state, he has a

popularity in the 70s. charlie baker in massachusetts. very high popularity. in part because you don't have a legislature overreaching, doing the kinds of stuff that turns off the people in the middle. >> i think that's right. but also mccrory, he bent extra step, too. >> unnecessarily so. i know the argument they make which is that the base would have killed us. >> okay. but it turned out for donald trump. >> i won't see you for a while. >> up next, one thing you may have missed about the staying power of the 2016 election. keep it here. and at progressive, we let you compare

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finally tonight, in case you missed it. the 2016 election year isn't over. i demanded to find out, is there one more election before the calendar turns on 2017? and we found out especially in iowa, it continues. the hawkeye state opened the year with the first presidential caucus. and as far as we can tell, iowa will close the year on 2016, the election year as well. on december 27th, two days after christmas, during hannukkah, and before the new year, there will be a special election in the 45th district of the iowa state senate following the september death of the current seat holder. why december 27th? what happened? the iowa governor said he wanted it on november 8 when everyone

else was going to the polls. but the county auditor rejected it due to a six-we're blackout surrounding a general election, it will be full of holiday cheer and vote signs apparently everywhere. let's see how many people turn out between christmas and new years. good night. hello. it is 6:00 p.m. on the east coast. what does a half blind trust look like? looking for some innovatives. what do we know and what can be proven about the election hack? i'll talk with glen green wald. also the manhunt. a new europe wide search for the man suspe