carrie fisher will be buried today side by side in hollywood hills. hbo tomorrow, "bright lights," is a fabulous show about the both of them. can. it's friday! that does it for us! "morning joe" is starting right now. >> because of the outrageous nature of the way in which the things that trump are saying, we nevegot to substance. you can't find me any of your viewers who can define for you what hillary's free tuition college plan was about. we never got to it. >> whose fault was that? >> well, i think it was multiple faults. i don't think that the campaign was clear enough. i don't think you guys were ready to cover it. there is hardly any coverage of a single issue of a substantive issue. >> you also said the campaign wasn't clear enough. >> well, i've been the odd man out here. i, you know, i didn't hear anybody talking about the play of that guy who works on the

assembly line and his wife is a hostess and makes 30,000 a year and have two kids and they are hurting. they are scared. we don't speak enough to the -- my dad used to have an expression. he said, i don't want the government to solve my problems, but at least i expect them to understand it. we were not clear enough and making it clear we understood the pressure they were under and we had concrete solutions to it. you never got to them. >> wow. that is joe biden. if that sounds a little bit like monday morning quarterbacking, it actually wasn't because this morning is january 6th. willie, he said the same exact thing during the democratic national convention on our show. ed we have to do a better job. he and ed rendell both called what the problem is going to be six months ahead of time.

>> it sound almost verbatim what he said. he said almost out of nowhere, we are not talking to the right people, talking about democrats, talking about the clinton campaign. we are not talking to my guys, repeating now what he is saying after the fact in real-time during the campaign. >> jon meacham, it started with those guys, those women in new hampshire. those were some of the most iconic scenes in modern american political history. bill clinton going back, up to new hampshire, standing in the snow and telling those white working class voters i know you're frustrated, i'm here for you. >> yeah. >> and really dominated not only those two elections, but built a new coalition that was completely ignored this time. >> it's hard to imagine secretary clinton saying she would be with them until the

last dog died, which was governor clinton's great line. the other thing i was thinking about the other day. there is an irony here. no one explained globalization better than bill clinton. i remember when he went to the white house -- or he was in the white house and bushnd carter and ford came to sell nafta and clinton gave an explanation of it and bush 41 said, "now i understand why he is living here and i'm not." but he explained it and that was 25 years ago. the democrats now have to find a way to live with the consequence of the globalization of which he was an architect. >> yeah. there is so many problems. there was a lack of communication. john heilemann, i think one of hillary clinton's most effective moments during the campaign and it's counterintuitive. when she went to west virginia and was sitting down surrounding

by a hostile crowd. it was a wonderful moment. she sat there. she was so human. she said, i hear you, i understand. and it sent that message across america. she only needed to do about that 40 more times in places like wisconsin and detroit and pennsylvania and she would be president of the united states right now. i understand there is comey and the russians and a thousand other things, but with all of those things happening, that was the ticket to winning and what a lot of people like ed rendell said, you want to win pennsylvania? this is what you have to do. >> here is the inexplicable thing about it. you don't have to go to 1996. just go back to 2012, barack obama as much as he was reliant on and the core of his political issue was nonwhite votersnd college-educated women, he was in ohio and he was in wisconsin and he was in michigan and he was in pennsylvania talking to white working class voters and

we have seen this phenomenon. there are all of these voters now. we look back and have the sense there was some key number of voters who vote for barack obama in 2012 and voted for donald trump in 2016. they understood the white working class. he needed to have that. it wasn't the core of his coalition but he had to have it. >> you talk about target iing. i may have read this in jon's piece. this is how weird my memory is. i think you wrote it in 2012. you wrote that defining piece about how the obama people decided they were going to define mitt romney among white working class voters early. but then in the fall, do you know where they advertised? big ten football network. that was their genius stroke. they went to the big ten football network and just ran a ton of obama ads. what was so brilliant about what brrm said after the loss this year was, he said, you know,

there are a lot of counties i went to where people thought i was crazy because you can lose by 50% but if i go there, i may only lose by 20%. if i go to a county i'm going to lose by 40%, maybe i only lose out by 10%. if i go to a county that democrats have never won because i lose by 10, maybe i win that. it was all of these small things. barack obama took no constituency for granted. party rightow is when joe cra detalked about, hey, let's have a rainbow coalition but not forget white working class voters. or when joe biden said the same thing. suddenly there would be an explosion. you're a racist, a bigot. you're always talking about white working class voters and other people are important. yes, other people are important but you need as many people on your side as you can to win. >> joe, you mentioned targeting. another problem. a saying in advertising the

fastest way to kill a bad product is good advertising. i don't know if the right target would have helped here. you talked about joe biden and barack obama and bill clinton and now let's talk about mitt romney and hillary clinton. these were with no passion. you had no passion for hillary. i don't know if hillary was targeting those voters. the messenger, the product was not the right product. hindsight is 20/20. she just was not connecting with those people, period. >> that's exactly why she should have done what she did in west virginia. i've said it time and time again when you meet hillary clinton on a personal level she a likeable person but it didn't come out on the campaign trail. we have the washington anchor of

byk bbc, katty kay. and david ignatius. >> nothing is happening here, folks. >> not for you. nothing in your bailiwick. everything we are going to talk about today pertains to david ignatius. he is the first person on the planet you would want to talk to. >> holder of a stick ball. >> he has a mean streak. he keeps his elbow up. he has to do that. >> david, donald trump is scheduled to sit down with leaders of the u.s. intelligence agencies today for a high-level briefing on russian meddling in american affairs. according to two top intelligence officials with direct knowledge, the report details cyber attacks on the democratic national committee as well as attacks on the federal government and white house and joints chiefs of staff and american corporations and

activity that date back to 2008. some of the hacks were successful and others were thwarted. according to the "the washington post" the report identifies the actors involved in sdoverg stolen e-mails to wikileaks and despair its in the amount of effort russian intelligence did to exploit sensitive information stored on democratic versus campaign computer networks. communications were intercepted of top russian officials celebrating trump's election victory, including some who had knowledge of the cyberoperations. though the report does not speculate on whether the hack affected the outcome in the presidential race, according to nbc sources, it does include the kremlin's motive. payback for the obama administration questioning legitimacy of vladimir putin's election. president obama was briefed on the report's comments yesterday and late commented on the importance of keeping politics out of intelligence matters. >> we can't make the decision

unless we have good intelligence. it's important that the president is getting the very best nonpolitical sized intelligence possible because our national security is at stake. so my hope is that when the president-elect receives his own briefings and is able to examine the intelligence as his team is put together and they see how professional and effective these agencies are, that some of those current tensions will be reduced. >> president-elect trump reacted last night tweeting the following. >> it's a good question, david ignatius, but not the most important question. the most important question -- well, no. it is an important question on why is the president-elect going to be getting a classified briefing. it's leaked all over the place

before he actually gets that briefing. again, it's just another part of a very, very ugly relationship starting up that started with donald trump's disrespect for the intel agencies. as we warned here from the very beginning, don't screw with the cia. they will leak you to death. it's not like we didn't say that a thousand times the past couple of weeks. david, let's go to the bigger question. what did we learn from what your newspaper and when i write for my newspaper, "the washington post"? what did we learn from them? >> i think the most dramatic image that came out overnight is russian officials cheering what they regarded as a surprise victory of donald trump on november 8th. this is taken from intelligence intercepts, according to "the post." that is really the holy grail for intelligence. it's unusual that someone would be willing to describe that scene but it's very powerful. these officials sitting around feeling the guy they wanted to

win and they have been talking angrily in the kremlin about hillary clinton since 2011, 2012. i cite this morning in my column a piece last july by russian investigative reporter about how angry putin and those around him were about hillarynton,he idea of her being president. those people ended up feeling that their guy n. what did they do to make him win? we still don't know the details of that. but the briefing yesterday gave a little more in the way of hints, that it wasn't just hacking. other elements of deception and covert action and manipulation of fake news to support trump. so more active effort to support trump to perhaps suppress negative information about him. we are going to hear a lot more in the next few days. we are going to have a war of briefings and leaks about the briefings. trump will be briefed today. how he will react is crucial. often in our history, a

candidate, a president-elect would say it's shocking to hear evidence of foreign government meddling in our lexs and need to get to the bottom of it but not trump's approach. he has taken the opposite approach. >> what is so bizarre about that, katty kay, the fact that donald trump stands alone in questioning these intel reports. donald trump stands alone and still pushing back against russian flungs. again, as we have been saying for months, you know, there are going to be russian hearings for the next two years. . you can either get run over by that train or you can step aside and let it move forward. and to this point, he has decided to get run over by that train. and, by the way, if he doesn't stop, he is going to grab rex tillerson and bring him onto the

tracks as well. >> you're right. what is so odd about it, it's starting to look like trump is so desperate to curry favor with president putin or be on same side as president putin that he is prepared to go as far as ignoring american intelligence officials reports and placing himself in the opponent's camp. i mean, one of the things that is mystifying about donald trump is this affinity with vladimir putin. you can date that back decades to china and japan. back to the 1990s. the russia thing is fairly new. the whole putin admiration is fairly new. why he is putting mike pompeo in the position of bringing him in? makes this incredibly difficult. >> you wouldn't like to be mike going into -- hey -- >> going to an agency where you feel you've been discredited before you've even started in

the administration. >> he will need them once he walks through those front doors. it really is unbelievable. david, you've written about this. what does trump -- no. listen. we talked before and you can have a really fascinating conversation how trump could be playing kissinger and nixon and playing russia off of china and this could be 1971 if there were a grander view of this. but that requires a pushback occasionally towards moscow and we just don't see that. >> well trump has been skillful in creating uncertainty among potential adversaries and particularly china, but north korea as well about what he might do. he's crossed lines that people thought were uncrossable and he has raised a sacred krkcred cow

one china policy. it's possible that he will turn around toward his friend vladimir putin now that he is heading toward the white house and say, listen, frent i'm going to need a lot more than from you than a smile and a handshake. i want the following concessions. that would be in character with the deal maker who comes on sometimes hard, sometimes nice, but basically is going for the hard deal. >> that is, david, what he claims, that does claim i'm doing -- we ve tried it the other way and georgia got invaded. we have tried it the other way and crimea got invaded. why don't we engage a country who has been driven on resentment. but what do you get out of it? what in the world can he get out of it that justifies criticizing his own intel agencies? there's not a big enough deal there. >> i think you're right. in truth to achieve the gains

that he would hope to get as this disruptive deal making president, he is going to need a strong intelligence service. the cia is the one part of the government that really works solely for the president. the president has certain authorities in covert action that go directly to the agency. it's spelled out in a couple of lines of the national security act. but there is no power quite like that the president has. trump doesn't seem to understand that, nor to understand that in his relationships with his government, this is about tight as it gets. life and death decisions, whether to take strikes against terrorists are made in that chain between the president and the cia director. so i think that is what is going to be struggled over the next few days and response to the report and we will know a lot from trump's language and body language how he reads it. >> guys, i think we are missing motivation. i don't think the motivation for trump to call out intelligence is his cozy or potential cozied

relationship with russia. we have seen this act over the 18 months. modus operandi that anything in any way that questions his supremacy, his godliness, that, in some way, this is suggesting that this is what caused him to lose the election. i want to say to him, because i know he watches the show while he is eating his count chocula. all that motivates you is your own self-worth versus protecting 300 million people and you have a different job now. >> i think you're totally wrong. >> you've never said that to me before. >> i don't think he eats count chocula. >> i never thought i'd say these words in this order but i agree with donny. >> it's a first. >> it's a big moment. >> oh, boy. >> what is -- what are the other potential explanations? >> i'm working over here.

>> can you actually strip somebody of their pulitzer prize? >> but we are having a conversation, as usual, where we are assuming certain conventionalities, right? certain accepted deference to the chain of command as david says. but the drama, and trump said, it seems to me is i have gotten this far by doing things the way i want to do them. >> right. >> and so he's going to continue to do that. the idea that his legitimacy is being questioned is a -- >> the only thing i will say, though, jon that does undercut donny's argument that this whole reason why he is doing it is he's had people concerned since the republican primary that he admires vladimir putin too much. in fact, you can go back to this show last december, a year ago, and i had to -- when i kept saying positive things about vladimir putin. i said, but you do understand he

assassinates journalists and political people he disagrees with. e he said, well, we do too. no, we don't assassinate journalists, et cetera, et cetera. >> not yet. >> then he backed down. then he backed down. so this is nothing new. there is something there about putin that none of us understand. >> right. >> it's been there for sometime. >> here is the thing. i think just to try to clarify exactly what this moment is we are facing he goes in and has this briefing, an identical president obama has had on ts material. >> right. >> when he n comnts on it after that, it will be different from all of these other comments that he's made. >> right. >> and the question is going to be does he now come into line with everyone else and say, okay, i'm now convinced. or does he continue to express the doubts that he has expressed before he had the briefing? if he goes down that path, it

will be an unprecedented moment. it will throw the credibility of the intelligence agencies, their relationship with trump will be in an unprecedentedly horrible place and it will raise the questions that we are asking now about what is really going on with him and vladimir putin. it will put them in such stark relief that it will be, i think, like the first really significant political crisis of his presidency even though he is not president yet. >> so if we look at his personality, willie. the one thing we can say is we have learned one thing about donald trump this year, and that is he is the master of many things, politically shocking people. he is a master of the reset, where a guy can say one day "the new york times" is going out of business. the next day, he can say -- and he goes up there and talks to them. one day, he can say meika is

neurotic and i'm a -- >> can we delve into that one? >> yes. >> how he tells the truth about us when this is over. you can look at all of these things where he bashing people and attacked people and sat down with them and changed his mind. when he is given other evidence like james mattis on on waterboarding. there are foreign leaders that watch this show. there are ambassadors that watch this show. if you want to understand donald trump, so much of it has to do with personal relationships. if the people that go in and talk to him today just go in and give him the facts and if they are extraordinarily competent, and there is respect across the table, i suspect it will turn out well. that is just -- that's how he is. again, james mattis, i think, willie, the greatest example. mattis pressed him. it's all -- tks to donald trump. this is not a bush guy. not what he knew when he was up at andover that will keep the

job even after de-baathification. you perform for him or you're fired. a lot of it i think depends on what happens at that meeting today. >> that personal relationship thing will be interesting today, given yesterday at the hearing when james clapper answered a question from john mccain and lindsey graham and said there is a difference between skepticism and disparagement and he believes donald trump has disparaged the intel agency. to be a fly on the wall in that room today is fascinating. >> you ask a question and still not okay? >> my job here is not to say what is okay. >> i agree. >> but the problem is nobody is normalizing any behavior. we can all pull our hair out and scream and run around in circles or we can try to understand the trends of the next president of the united states. all i'm saying, david ignatius, is this is something that we are already seeing. you tell boelg iing i'm going t

destroy you because you're building a 4 billion dollar plane for air force one and it needs to be 2 billion and their stock drops. they come in and talk and pretty soon, you've got boeing competing against lockheed for the f-35. it is a wild, wild west but so much of it has to do with performance. >> he is the destructor in chief. when i try to visualize a meeting twooed bween jim clapper the director of national intelligence and the other intelligence, it is a dramatic moment. clapper is a man who has been serving as an american spy in one way or another for 50 years. he is an air force combat veteran and so sick of doing this job, he can't wait to get out. he doesn't need anything from donald trump. he does believe in speaking truth to power. i've seen him do that sometimes, get a lot of flak for it. he is going to say to the president-elect, sir, here is what we know. he does it in kind of a gruff,

almost like, stopping at a local store and talking to the guy who is running the store. he is not a fancy guy at all but he will lay it out for him. how trump listens and responds to that, as others have said, will shape, i think, the first year of his presidency. it's really that important. clapper will be direct, blunt, down to earth and then trump has to respond. >> ahead another interesting angle to this. former cia director james woolsey who ended his role for donald trump's transition team and join us to tell us why. we will also speak to state department spokesman john kish ir. and we will talk to the head of the white house correspondent. >> you're staring at 31 states experiencing winter weather this weekend. 72 million people under watches or advisories or warnings. first off get rid of the weak storm that went through the

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how far along are you in it? >> i got through all of it. >> you did? >> yes. >> we are talking about the crown. it is great stuff. >> really good. great. >> i'm not going to ruin anything, but the duke of windsor at the end? holy cow! >> yeah. >> just got chills. >> good television. >> it is great television. who is with us now, willie? >> you want me to talk about that? >> came back. >> the white house correspondent for reuters current president of the white house correspondentence association jeff mason. he met with the trump press team at trump tower yesterday. what questions did you have for the trump team and what concerns

did you express to them? >> we sort of both had questions and concerns on both sides. they asked us a lot about how the white house press corps works with the white house, what some of our traditions are and we asked them what their plans are and went from there. >> concern about the press pool. are you concerned? >> yeah. >> still concerned? >> they have made a lot of progress with us on forming a press pool during his transition period. we talked early on when he wnt out f went out to dinner in new york and didn't bring a press pool and they put together a press pool and said they will protect a full protective press pool and that is a 13-member group of journalists who follow the president wherever he goes once he gets to the white house so we are reassured and pleased by that. >> so there is going to be a pool that will be the same kind of pool that has covered every president-elect? >> yes. that pool will be accompanying the president when he leaves the white house, when he travels on air force one, when he goes abroad, when he goes on domestic

trips, when he goes out to dinner. >> what is the remaining item, biggest concern you have about possible definite yait may not briefing. our brethren would like that to be televised every day. something i think he is still mulling over how to do that and mulling over other changes as well. they sort of told us yesterday, be prepared for some changes but we want to work with you and we want to work with them as well. >> katty kay? >> jeff, give us a sense how unusual this all is, beyond the sort of the specifics of the briefing and press pool and stuff, the relationship that donald trump looks and his team look like they are going to have with reporters and with individual reporters given that there has been such personal antagonism and that the president-elect has singled out individual news organizations and individual reporters in a

way that i haven't really seen before? >> that is part of what has been unusual is how the press was treated by the campaign in the year and a half leading up to the election. that has created some concern, understandably, an anxiety among the press corps. but in general, it's a white house like any new white house that would come in and have a lot of questions about how things work. and i think that they are committed to working with the press corps about that. we talked about ensuring that all the reporters and even reporters in these organizations that may write stories they don't always like we will have access to the press room and the white house correspondents will push very hard for. >> you mentioned concern of your brethren in television. here is what people have to understand. television has not been covering this. you think about the way any of us -- nobody is sitting home watching the president's briefings at 10:00 in the morning on c-span. how however the communication gets out it gets done, whether

orally or through a hundred tweets. the game is not changing. just the delivery system is changing as it is in every piece of information we get, whether it's advertising or movies or anything. i know people going, my god, no daily briefings. >> there is going to be something daily. i think the importance for the press corps is that we have a chance to ask questions of the president-elect and of the president's team when he is in office, and whether that is always televised or not, that is something we can certainly talk about. it's important for the correspondents association to be sure all of our members are getting what they need but the most important thing, the big common denominator is a chance to ask questions of the newsmakers. >> talk about the trend lines for people somewhat new to following this. you can go back to the clinton administration. of course, they made a bad mistake the first day or two, that they had to quickly retreat on. the bush administration became each mo even more protective and the

obama administration more protected and now fears that may go another step. there has been a general trend line in the past quarter century of less access, hasn't there? >> there is always some tension between the press and the white house. that is going to continue regardless of who has won an election. but yeah, any administration is going to try and form its own communication strategy, whether that is with twitter and social media, which we have now or cutting off reporters at the beginning of the clinton administration from walking into what we call lower and upper press in the white house which they backtracked on. it's important for us to have access whether that is physical, able to walk into the press secretary's office or whether it's just having access to press conferences or a chance to talk to senior officials on air force one when they come back and brief the press in major events. >> jeff, thank you. still ahead, there was low energy jeb and there was little marco. >> little. >> little marco. >> little. >> oh, with a did?

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i don't think those are notes. i think that is -- >> donny has notes today and he never prepares. >> no, you can't read those. >> who are they from? >> i watched the movie "bobby" last night. >> oh, no! >> this is important. >> is it six and a half? they are good. >> when you teach a man to hate -- >> come on! i think it's going to be even. >> should be favored. >> i'm very concerned about this. >> i would have thought it would be more than 6 1/2. >> not against clemson. i think alabama is in for a tough, tough fight. we just barely won last year. >> what was it, four points they won last year and clemson is better this year. >> i can't believe how lane

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president-elect trump, yesterday, sent out a series of tweets that read, in part, the kks led democrats led by clown

chuck schumer. senator schumer responded yesterday. >> i say to the president-elect that this is serious, serious stuff. people's health is at stake and people's lives are at stake. instead of calling names, the president-elect should roll up his sleeves and show us a replacement plan that are cover the 20 million americans who gained coverage. i'd say to the president-elect and the republicans that this is not a time for calling names. it's time for them to step up to the plate if they want to repeal and show us what they would replace it with. >> vice president joe biden also weighed in. >> just today, he called the senate minority leader chuck

schumer the clown. last week, he said doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory president o-statements and road blocks, thought it was going to be a smooth transition. not in all caps. >> grow up, donald. grow up. time to be an adult. you're president. you got to do something. show us what you have. >> now that is the way katty kay, you respond properly to donald trump. people have been doing these sack cloth and ashes routine now for a year and a half and ripping the sack cloths and screaming and being in more@agony and democracy is coming to than end! no. do what joe biden does. you laugh at it. you mock it. you brush it aside. joe biden figured it out and nobody else figured it out up until now. >> yeah. if we thought that donald trump was suddenly going to get

elected after november 8th be a different person? clearly we were wrong, right, joe? everything that we have seen and this thin-skinnedne and calling people's names. like biden says, grow up. this is serious stuff. show us what you got now. i think you're right. the only possible approach. you have to -- because if you take every single one of his insults seriously and get terribly distraught about it, we are going to spend our whole time covering his twitter attacks on people. >> the things you have to sort through. let's bring in frank bruni of new york city. you have to sort through this. sometimes when he does it it's problematic, about the intel community. but if you're doing it to ceos of corporations bilking taxpayers with billions of dollars f-35 or air force one, or if you're actually able to start getting corporations to start building plants, in that

case, that's pretty good. we have got to figure out how to sort through our selective anger and rage and realize we can't say he can't do that. he is going to do it. >> that is true but there is something else here i think is fascinating to watch which is the biden post. when you combine how much trump has gotten under obama and biden's skin. when you combine that with joe biden's lack of ability to censor and restrain himself, i think this is not the first of these back and forths you're going to see. >> didn't biden say he wanted to take him out back? >> that was from the campaign trail. i think those two things are called preludes. >> i do think biden is interested in possibly running four years from now. >> i think it all depends on health and energy but, sure, it's in his mind and that gives him yet another reason to become the sort of voice against trump after he leaves office. >> so we teased a little bit of your column.

let's get into it. writing in "the new york times" about donald trump's disastrous example. quote. explain a bit more, the crackhead weed analogy. >> i don't think donald trump has any standing to lecture a congress on ethics. i think one of the big concerns for me about the trump presidency when you are acting with a lack of decorum he often does and bringing things down to

a schoolyard level he often does and you're not resolving conflicts of interest and your path is a neat and clean one, i think you give a green light to others in politics and congress to behave in a similar way. leadership is about example and in a variety of ways, donald trump does not set the best example. >> where is he right now on that? obviously, he's not bound by the rules that congress is bound by. >> that's right. >> but where is he? >> what is odd he keeps reminding us of that. you would expect a president so say although i'm not bound and i don't have to kind of divest myself of all business interests, you would expect a president to say i'm going to go beyond the law and make sure that none of you have anything to worry about. donald trump, oddly, as when he came to "the new york times" to visit and talk to us, keeps on digressing to remind you of his lack of a legal obligation. i find that very strange. he keeps promising to tell us what he is going to do in terms of blind trust or whatever but that keeps getting delayed. >> we are going to live with this.

a reality people have to understand. >> hold on. let me open this up to the whole panel. is he going to have a press conference on this? he has been talking about it. i think it got delayed. >> trump, the 11th. >> i think it's scheduled for next wednesday, is that correct? >> the 11th, i think. >> the 11th? >> it's supposed to be in december and got delayed. >> there is going to be these conflicts and it's going to be -- it is what it is. i don't think it's solvable. >> part of the job, jon meacham, you look at what is happening right now with jared kushner. he has so many business interests that he is literally having to employee a law firm to make sure that everything gets sorted out in the proper manner and it's extraordinarily complex. everybody mocked trump for a year and a half saying he had no business interests and it ends up, no, he has got a lot of business interests. this isn't something that can be cleaned up in a couple of weeks. but it is incumbent on him, like

you said, frank, when he is out on the 11th, that he lays it out as clearly as possible. >> yeah. there is going to be -- going to be a drip, drip, drip of stories. we just don't know what it worry about because we don't know the full scope of what he has got. somebody was pointing out the other day, a lot of reporting on this, that the hotels are terrorist targets. he's a global businessman who -- so almost anything he does -- i was tillerson has done a good job with doing a very traditional kind of divestment but nothing traditional on trump. >> he can if he wants to. the real estate business is set up differently. in fairness to him, it's an impossible task, unless he is going to sell, which he is not. you can't expect that. all of these are all partnerships. it's a tangled web. >> donny said never going to change. two models for president, right? there are presidents who learn

and grow while in office and the modern era kennedy grew from the bay of pigs to the missile crisis. clinton grew in terms of the first two years sort of being disastrous to being a very successful, ultimately, president. bush 43, obama tended to become more like themselves. >> right. >> as their terms went on. the question is does trump learn and grow or is his character simply magnified? >> as far as critics go, frank, doesn't it seem the attacks on trump personally just don't seem to absorb? voters don't care about the things you're talking about. i suspect if democrats are going to get the best of him, they are going to have to stop talking about trump, the person, and start talking about trump policies and the republican congress being extreme. >> i agree with you 100% and i think one of the lessons of the campaign we don't talk enough about. i think when personal insults

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♪ who actually is the benefactor of someone who is about to become chiommander in chief trashing the intelligence community? >> i think a strength of healthy skepticism and to include policymakers and policymaker number one should always have for intelligence but i think there is a difference between skepticism and disparagement. >> an interesting meeting today, to say the least. welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday, january 6th. mika has the morning off. still with us is john heilemann and former pulitzer prize winning jon meacham and donny deutsche and bbc, katty and with

"the washington post" david ignatius and joining the conversation is michael crowley. you look at the haeneadlines to. russians caught cheering for trump's victory and, of course, you had james clapper on the hill yesterday basical sing that neither he nor the intel community appreciated the president-elect disparaging them. this is setting up to be a meeting that is going to be about fraud with tension as donald trump's meeting with grayton carter soon after that. >> yeah. this is critical. because donald trump is going to need the intel community. there is going to be some kind of foreign affairs crisis that is going to hit his government within the first few months of his administration and he is going to need the people who he has been disparaging for the last month or two to give him their analysis and give him him

the suggest shens and puts mike pompeo in an incredible position going into as the head of the cia when donald trump is so dismissive of the allegation coming out of that organization. i think today's question out of today's meeting does donald trump have such a firm world view that he simply won't let the facts, as presented to him, change that perception that he already has? however well, mike clapper does in presenting the findings they have on the russian hacking, will donald trump be prepared to change his opinion? and i think that is going to be very interesting or does he just have such a fixed view that nothing is going to shift it? >> david ignatius, we are going to get into the facts of in one moment. i want your general impression today leading into this meeting where actually that first line in "the new york times" lead, bipartisan, underline it, circle it, highlight it.

this, unlike any other issue i've seen in sometime, this is not a republican versus democratic battle. this is basically donald trump and maybe dana rohrabacher against the political world. >> it should be. if ever a bipartisanship is when evidence surfaces that a foreign adversary has been meddling to seek the outcome of our presidential election and we seem to have the evidence cold, and that will be a moment where the country comes together. so far, the principle republican support for the idea of doing something serious about buildth fairly limited. it's john mccain, it's lindsey graham. if the democrats are smart as the briefings roll out, they would let mccain and graham be the principal people speaking out and calling trump to account and insisting on -- >> david, what do they need to do? i'm sorry to interrupt.

>> yeah. >> but what do they need to do? i know mitch mcconnell said early on any republican not concerned about this is out of their mine. is it a special committee? what is the best way to get to the bottom of this? >> i think there are two ways that it could be done, a special committee that has real subpoena investigative powers. what you need is some way to get to the bottom of this, to establish a baseline of trust and factual evidence going forward. we have had a covert action against the united states. it's an act almost of war. we got to understand what happened. the investigation could be done through our -- some legal arm. you could have an independent counsel look at the facts if you thought there were violations of law. a u.s. attorney who had experience with national security could take over parts of it. somehow there has to be something that has status and the ability to go forward. i just say one final thing. the reason that donald trump really has to make a key decision today is that continuing to fight this and

resisting the kind of transparency that will be required if there is any investigation is a ruinous course, i think. the value of transparency ultimately is for trump himself. it allows him to have the trust of the country when he speaks about russia, when he does the diplomacy that he wants to. he can say i've disclosed my financial dealings. you know everything there is to know. so i tell you the american people, this is good for us. that will be much easier to the extent that he has made disclosures. >> let's talk about this report donald trump is going to hear in a couple of hours. according to two top intelligence officials with direct knowledge, the report that trump will be briefed on today details russian cyber attacks on the democratic national committee, as well as attacks on the federal government, the white house, joint chiefs of staff and american corporations. activities that date back to 2008. the officials say some of the hacks were successful. others were thwarted. according to "the washington post," the report identifies the actors involved in delivering

stolen democratic e-mails to wikileaks. and it reportedly shows despair its in the amount of effort russian intelligence put into exploiting sensitive information stored on democratic versus republican campaign computer networks. u.s. spy agencies also intercepted communications of top russian officials celebrating trump's election victory, including, according to "the post" some who had knowledge of the cyberoperations but the report does not speculate whether the hack affected the outcome in the presidential race. according to nbc sources it includes payback for the obama administration questioning the legitimacy of vladimir putin's election. >> jon meacham? >> it seems to me we have reached another stage in sort of our post-fact polarized universe. i talked to some folks over christmas who were trump -- are trump supporters. they believe trump, despite what -- whatever the report says. so the significance of trump's

reaction here is even more important because i think he has a base of supporters who will follow him on his interpretation of these facts or his view of what happened. >> look at the polls even. republicans. their approve, disapproval of vladimir putin is almost 50/50. it's really disturbing. >> so i think this is going to set a pattern, not just in the specifics of the intelligence community which is hugely important, but we are -- are we going to have a president who has a base of support who simply will follow somewhat blindly what that president says? >> katty? >> let's get some insight on this and donald trump's thinking on intelligence issues. joining us from washington is the former cia director ambassador james woolsey. you've stepped down from the trump transition team. why did you step down? and what do you think donald trump's attitude is to u.s.

intelligence services? >> well, i didn't want anyone to be confused and think that i had a role in the campaign. i did help in the campaign some in early september and for a few months, weeks after that. but as they have moved into the transition phase, i haven't really had a role and i kept being introduced on various television shows as senior adviser for the transition. and that is not accurate and not fair to the people who really are doing the advising. so i thought i should just let people know that i'm a private citizen and still support mr. trump. >> were you deliberately sidelined, do you think in that process? were you kept out of key meetings or with key personnel? >> sometimes they ask you for advice about something and sometimes they don't. presumably people who are making those decisions know what they want. i don't think this is a big deal. i'm a private citizen. i'm somebody may call me and ask

advice, they may not. it's up to them. >> director woolsey, it's willie geist in new york. let me ask you generally how you feel about the way donald trump has sporch aboken about the int communities. he puts it in quotes when he tweets about them and questioned the accuracy of their previous work with regard to the iraq war. he says take it with a grain of salt what they tell you now given their history. what do you make of his posture toward the intel community? >> well, i don't think it's very important, frankly. they are big boys and girls. they can deal with criticism. they get an awful lot of angry criticism in the course of ordinary doing businesses. analysts and intelligence officers. >> not usually this publicly from the commander in chief to be, right? >> well, a lot of this is public because there is argument and disagreement, and the more of it that is public, the more we inform the russians and the

chinese and the north koreans and forfeit how we learn things and what we do. so there's a direct conflict between the advisability of having all of this transparency. that's a bad thing from the point of view of security. and not having the transparency which you have to have some indication of what is going on, i think, for people as citizens to understand what the situation is. >> mr. director, do you believe the reports about the russian involvement? >> i'm sorry. say again. >> do you believe the reports of the russian involvement in trying to influence the election? >> at first, i was skeptical, but i think now that they have come up with the identities of the people who were involved on the russian side, it does look more as if the russians were in

in an organizer fashion rather than just participant fashion. i thought for several days that the russian participation might have been simply getting some information use, because there was a lot of speculation and i was just not comfortable with where it was going. >> all right. james woolsey, thank you so much for being with us and we greatly appreciate it. david ignatius, we have heard from vladimir putin has been trying to influence elections across europe for some time. is this the most extreme example, though, that you've seen, what he has done in the united states according to these intelligence reports over the past year and a half? >> no, i don't think it is. the history of the modern world is history of covert actions. the united states is probably waged more than any other country, to be honest. >> that is what i was going to

ask. are we trying to do the same thing to them? >> it's putin's view that the united states, that hillary clinton, when she was secretary of state, shot first in this war of information. encould you remembering dissent, encouraging opposition to putin and putin's party in 2011 and 2012. we would say these are normal kind of support for democratic groups, nongovernmental organizations. we do this all around the world. we think it's the way things should be. in russia this was a revolution, an attempt to undermine him. a cia director of operations a year ago that referred to the agency's ability to play around the world like a mighty woolit zer. this is something not unknown to

us. what is different about what has happened here is the use of cyber weapons. the first time we have entered this cyber manipulation and first entrance to a presidential election. there was a story out saying was intervened to help john f. kennedy. i think the direct and type of weapon is new and important. >> speaking of directs, it's been very clear that no way were any of the actual electoral voting process breached. is there anything in the report to says attempts to do that were thwarted. >> there is indications in several states there were initial exploratory efforts to look at the way votes were counted and kept. but my conversation is there a is no evidence that went further or was exploited.

it is one reason the white house was so nervous in the run-up to the november 8th election. we now realize our intelligence committees have been briefed on this issue going back to september. that's how early the u.s. had real evidence of russian interference. the white house didn't do anything about it because they were worried that any u.s. action would trigger a much stronger russian counterreaction at a time when donald trump was talking about the election is rigged. a fear it would spiral out of control. in terms of your question, no, it doesn't seem as if actual vote counts were affected. >> speaker paul ryan's first weekly news conference of the new congress yesterday, he was asked if he has full faith in the u.s. intelligence community. >> they don't get everything right. we have seen that clearly. i do have faith our men and women in our intelligence community are doing an incredible job and sacrificing for our country but always room for improvement. russia clearly tried to meddle in our political system. no two ways about it.

i think this is what the president-elect is legitimately upset about. attempts to try to delegitimatize this election. that is just bogus. russia didn't tell hillary clinton not to go to wisconsin or michigan. they didn't put a server in owner basement or the stuff on anthony weiner's laptop. he won the election fair and square and convincingly. okay? now having said that, do we ever condone any foreign actor, anteriany inference to try to mess with our elections? of course not. >> michael crowley, if you cut through what appeared to be a peace offering toward donald trump halfway through that statement. again, there doesn't seem to be a lot of space between republicans and the intel community. >> that's right. and this is a continuation of the campaign where donald trump is charting his own course. the party is not quite sure what to make of it. and they are stuck with him. so they are trying to find an

accommodation. by the way, i would just point out in ryan's statement and when you keep hearing from the trump campaign, i mean, it's true there is no hard evidence that russian interference affected the outcome of the election and we know they didn't necessary with the vote count. but donald trump was up at the podium at some of these rallies literally waving around copies of e-mails that came from wikileaks saying don't we love wikileaks and aren't they great? why did he could that? because he thought it wasn't relevant to the campaign and he jumped on this stuff he thought it was political ammunition that would help his case. so now for trump and all of these republicans to say, you know, to tell everyone to act like it wasn't relevant and get over it, i'm not saying his election wasn't legitimate but i'm saying something about that contention that is a little disingenuous. this clearly was an important part of the campaign, even though we can't measure the impact. but to your question, republicans are stuck with the guy and trying to find an

accommodation. i think trump would do good if he dialed this back a little bit. his transition is defined by this crazy tom clancy and john carr scenario that completely overshadows everything else. and the fact that trump won't pop this bubble, which should be fairly easy, fairly painless, let him get on to the rest of his agenda, goes back to this fundamental bizarre question which is why will the guy never say anything that forces him to say vladimir putin is a bad guy, who is a threat to the united states? i mean, he will just never do it. i recall the exchange you had with him, joe, months ago when you talked about the murder of journalists in russia and his response was to kind of shrug his shoulders and say people get killed in the united states. you know, he waved off the overwhoove overwhelming evidence of murder of alexander lithengow in london. it's a bizarre pattern.

the fact he won't walk this back and do him a world of good right now i think is very, very strange. >> that was a year ago. again, we were talking about it before. that goes back to last december. so that had nothing to do with the legitimatization of his election or not. he was still taking that position back then. i want to talk more generally, though, jon, about how stupid republicans look. the same republicans who, like me, were offended when there were leaks about a cia program back in 2005, 2006, maybe it was that revealed the location of black sites and exposed our allies. i was just beyond myself. i still am just absolutely stunned that "the washington post" printed that. and wikileaks, julian assange was enemy number one. >> for donald trump, among others. >> for the republican party. i saw a tweet for donald trump. for every republican.

and now they are sitting there, like, sean hannity, there is a bro-mance there? it's repull siesive. the republican party can't make every mistake there is and think the person elected in the white house is there forever. republicans are looking like fools unless they come out strongly on this and everybody forgets there is another election in two years! and it usually turns ugly when you play as stupid as this. republicans need to be unified. donald trump needs to get on board. they need to aggressively go after this and investigate it because i'll say it again and saying it for weeks -- this is going to end badly! >> it's going to happen again and this is a new age of cyber war fare and now going on in a more aggressive way forward. this is one of the new frontiers of a combat. lindsey graham made this point.

marco rubio to some extent in one of the debates in the fall said i'm not going to talk about wikileaks because of the fact that you don't understand. republicans will be next. we will be the targets next time! so let's not contribute to this atmosphere of tolerance for these stories and for the perpetrators of these kind of acts. yet, many republicans are like, well, you know, not get on the wrong side of donald trump. >> they said a death penalty for wikileaks? wasn't that his exact quote? yes, correct. don't look at me like i'm making stuff up. >> no. >> incidentalalex said we playe yesterday. that blank vacant stare that you saw was me listening to alex. >> the look of contempt that donny didn't watch the show yesterday. >> really, the tempt was fconte that sky. >> this is a scarborough tie. >> no, it's not. you would not be allowed off of

merritt parkway with that on. >> to me the biggest headline the last election was not donald trump winning or the russian hacks but the vulnerability of all of us in this new world that we have so built our beings and our security and our transactions on this and, in many ways, this is going to be -- this is a sage point. i know it's up here. >> willie, now he is talking about being vulnerable only because he think it's going to get him a date tonight. david ignatius, now that we have been blessed with the wisdom of donny deutsche. >> it is wisdom! i know sometimes it floats like this over here, guys. >> it does. >> let it seep in. >> the phone is like the center of our lives now! wow! >> technology is really -- >> incredible. >> no. >> technology changing every day. >> talking about it as it relates to governments. this is the beginning of so much -- >> stop!

>> you're blowing my mind, dude! >> stop, john! >> how about bite me? bite me! >> i really need to get this question to david ignatius right now. >> please. >> david, please, take us to a higher level here, if at all possible. would go to meacham but he has been stripped of his pulitzer prize. for americans who are fortunately just tuning in at this precise moment and want to know what to look for today, i think this is a pretty darn important day for the american intelligence community. what are you looking for today and what should we all be looking for? >> i'm looking for the tone that the president-elect takes after a crucial meeting in which our director of national intelligence will present him with, hard intelligence information that our principal adversaries, these days, russia, tried to hack our presidential election to benefit donald

trump. if he responds in a way that accepts, tries to understand, tries to encourage further investigation of this and leads the country, i think it will help his presidency and get him off to, you know, a strong start. if he fights it tooth and nail the way he has been doing the last few weeks, i think we are going to have a really rough period. i note one other thing. the one interesting thing yesterday, which is to name as his director of national intelligence the successor to jim clapper who he'll confront today, a trusted political person. one of the closest people to his vice president mike pence dan coats. in a sense trump is already putting that political mark whewith a very trusted inside guy on this intelligence world. >> if donald trump accepts the findings he is given in those rooms, it will be to accept, in some way, he had help becoming president of the united states.

not that it was the central thing. it was not that he wasn't a good candidate and hillary wasn't a bad candidates, but it will be to accept that russia did have a hand in his becoming president. does he strike you as the kind of guy who is willing to say it wasn't all me? >> no. >> i had some help doing this? >> no. >> how can he come out and say you know what? i accept entirely the findings of this report from the intel community that russia was involved in this. >> katty kay, he could very easily say she should have gone to wisconsin, she should have gone to michigan. she thoshould have run a campai that connected to middle america. it seems to me he has no choice but to accept the findings of the intel communities and then figure out the communication message beyond that, because, yes, russia had an impact on the election and comey had an impact on the election. but politicians can raise --

minimize it or exaggerate it. they do all the time. i just don't think there is the option of continuing to tweak your intel community. >> well, imagine the scenario, joe, if he comes out of that meeting with clapper, having seen all of the intelligence and the story that broke overnight of the russians celebrating his election because there was a sense they had their person in washington, and saying, moscow has to be exactly clear about this. they do not have their man in washington. i am an independent person. i'm the president of the united states. i will stand up to russia when we need to. they are not always on the same side of us and should not see me as their puppet or friend. that's what he needs to come out and say that and if he came out and said that that would be redirecting his curious relationship with russia and supporting clapper and the intelligence community. i mean, it would be an incredibly refreshing and bold thing for him to say, given his antipathy towards the intelligence communities and that he won with some help. >> joe, one other thing. this is not all important in retrospect.

the question how do you stop this from happening again? after the 9/11 attacks, an independent commission that made recommendations for the intel community and we got the director of the national intelligence in the first place and we changed the way we defend the country, defend our airports and so forth. after watergate, you had tremendous reforms in campaign finance. this is a seminal moment like that the country come together and say how do we stop this from happening again? no evidence that trump is going to be able to take that step because he won't admit what happened. we are getting into the next, as you pointed out, the next election season is almost on us. house members are already worried about their re-election. we know the russians got involved in some house races because they hacked the dccc. we might see this unfold again if vladimir putin is feeling daring and no sign we are implementing lessons learned. >> we will see what trump says in a faw hours.

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we have decided that if donny winds up, found dead in a pile of coke. >> god forbid! >> likely but god forbid. >> that we have his obit read from the last block. you can't repeat it because we got kids watching this show. >> you know what it is, really? >> that last block he said a couple of things. >> when president reagan passed on. >> right. >> to the ranch in the sky, what, you know, mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall! >> shining city on a hill.

>> there you go again. donny deutsche -- bite me! january 6th. >> a pulitzer prize winner just said that. >> we have another one coming up. >> just to be clear, he didn't say it. he is quoting you. >> i quoted you. >> so joining us now -- >> by the way, he agreed with us this morning so he is a former pulitzer prize winner. >> it's a good trade. a good sanction. >> let's go to trump tower in new york city we find nbc correspondent kristen welker. good morning. donald trump tweeting about the wall along the mexico border this morning. a little back story what has happened the last 24 hours? >> he is. hey, there, willie. it's significant because it could be signaling a shift on a major campaign promise. you'll recall that president-elect donald trump as a candidate repeatedly said he was going to have mexico pay for the border wall that he wants to build. now a senior transition official telling me that his team is

looking into the possibility of having congress pay to jump-start construction of the wall. the idea being that mexico would eventually pay back the u.s. and be part of an appropriations bill as early as this april. and president-elect trump himself underscoring that point, that mexico would pay back the u.s. for the wall. let me read you his tweet and then give some analysis on the other side. he tweeted earlier today that dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the great wall will be paid back by mexico later. still, this is a striking shift because again, this was a frequent chant at his campaign rallies, that mexico is going to pay for the wall. politically, will it work? well, the trump team says, look. there are as many as ten democrats up for re-election in states that think that border security is a key issue so they think they are going to be able to get some democrats on board with this. but how is it going to play with his supporters and those who wanted mexico to play for the

wall? this is really the key question and, again, president-elect trump expected to hold a news conference next week. he is going to have to answer a lot of questions, including about this. is this not a break with his key campaign vow? >> central to his campaign but, again, mexico has never said it will pay and, in fact, has said the opposite to the president they will not pay. still ahead on "morning joe." >> i think everybody here knows that nobody can predict what choices this administration is going to make. i don't know. i don't think you know. i think the question a lot of people ask is do they know? >> hold on. hold on. hold on. >> breaking news? >> breaking news. is this real, donald trump? hey, alex? schwarzenegger is this from donald trump 28 seconds ago? can you guys check? i want to confirm it's not one of those -- >> it is, yes. >> is that really him? >> you know he is loving it. >> you know it! you know it!

>> are you ready? >> i know it's coming. >> that is amazing! this is amazing! >> ratings suck without me! >> hold on. are we ready? wow! hold on. he is meeting the intel community today. this is his tweet. wow. the ratings are in. and arnold schwarzenegger got swamped or destroyed by comparisons to the ratings machine, djt. >> thank you, no more call. we have a winner. >> so much for that. >> when i called him -- >> as always, i love the grammar and punctuation. got swamped in quotation and then in parentheses, or destroyed. >> he is the executive producer of that show. >> when he called me, ed thank you for saying i was going to win iowa. i said, i know i can't believe it. he said can you believe they

can't find anybody to replace me on "the apprentice"? >> this is the sort of thing that none of us around this table will evernd. nobody in media will ever understand. but people going to work in iowa, wisconsin, minnesota, whatever, we will talk about this. >> he will change the question about intelligence. instead of us laughing about it, to your point earlier, he know this day is not looking good for him so dominate the news circle with something else. >> not dominate it. but we have schwarzenegger. a meeting he is going down to meet grayton carter. >> all of the top editors there. >> yeah. there is going to be -- there are going to be a lot of balls in the weair today. let's go to former pulitzer

prize winner and ask him to put this in proper perspective like the time, for instance, when andrew jackson -- >> do you think it's true that swamp and destroyed mean the same thing? >> i think so. >> i think that's fair. >> part of the role the presidency is for franklin roosevelt taught us is to educate the public. so a head masterly role that trump is taking. i remember when john adams tweeted that -- by jefferson and sally hemmings. >> you wish he had not done that. >> it's a metaphor for the country in that he doesn't care about the show. he just cares about him. don't care about the country, just cares about him. >> there you go getting deep again. i tell you who is going to have something to say about arnold schwarzenegger getting swamped or destroyed. >> arnold schwarzenegger? >> no. state department spokesman john kirby. he is going to join the

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joining us from washington now is state department spokesman john kirby and with us is pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson. >> i want to talk to eugene robinson. several years ago he said martha would do very well on apprentice and kirby thought that schwarzenegger would. this isn't turning out the way either one of them expected. >> admiral is a pick supporter of the schwarzenegger move. admiral kirby, let's start with the russian hacking. donald trump has called into question the intelligence agencies and he'll receive a briefing on that report today. to you what is the most alarming conclusion inside that report? >> well, without getting into the details of a report still technical classified i know they will make some unclassified releases next week. i think it confirms what we have known for a long time and that is that russia did try to interfere in our electoral

process and that is beyond question. you saw that yesterday with the intelligence officials on capitol hill. now the motivation of it and the degree and the scope, i think all is going to come out in the report but i think it's important we let the president-elect get this briefing first before we jump ahead of that. >> admiral when you look at what you know and i know you can't talk about the classified elements of this report but do you believe that russia put its thumb on the scale for donald trump? it's one thing to interfere with an election and another thing to interfere on one fact candidate. some of the conclusions that jim clapper pointed out yesterday suggested they had evidence of some russian officials who had knowledge of the cyber attack celebrating trump's victory and he used that as saying russia was acting on behalf of donald trump. do you believe that conclusion to be true, that russia was acting on what have of donald trump? >> i think what we know to be true they were trying to interfere in our process to so doubt and discord to try to interfere. i also think it's pretty obvious

that they were certainly trying to hurt mrs. clinton in her efforts. that is clear. but beyond that, i'm really not at liberty to go. >> her and mrs. clinton sounds like help donald trump to a lot of people. >> i think i'll just leave it there. >> willie to your point, how does he respond later? i think that is his pitch. they, like most americans, cannot want hillary clinton and had nothing to do with them wanting him. there is a way to twist this a little bit and i think the admiral just teed that up. >> admiral kirby, i'm curious what you hear, if anything, from your counterparts and other washington capitols in berlin and london and paris about the russian hacking, about the story, possible concern that, for example, there would be an attempt on the german election against angel merkel? >> it's a great question, eugene. i tell you, they are already, even before this happened and even before october when president obama publicly talked about our concerns about russian cyber activities in the

electoral process, european leaders have been concerned about this for quite sometime. i would definitely tell you that this is exacerbated that concern with elections coming up as you noted. certainly they are are all on alert right now and more than perhaps before. this is something, unfortunately, our european colleagues are all too familiar with russia's cyberintrusions and effort to affect the lexs the elections on the continent. >> do you think something donald trump would get from this approach from russia which is different from the obama administration's approach which has been to see vladimir putin as an adversary? if donald trump carries on seeing vladimir putin as somebody that he can have a good relationship with, has some affinity with, admires in some ways? is there something you think you could get out of that? is there an up side potentially to that? >> without speaking to whatever his motivation of president is going to be in terms of russia, what i would tell you is that having a healthy bilaterally relationship with russia is not

a bad thing and something we worked on ourselves in this administration. it's complicated, though. where our interests with russia can coincide, we were able to work on things like the iran deal and climate and thought we would get there with russia on syria and that, obviously, didn't happen and certainly not in the same place with russia with respect to ukraine. i think the incoming team will learn quickly if they haven't already that russia is pursuing their national interests and going to do it with or without consulting the united states. so if he can fashion a more constructive relationship with russia that helps preserve our national security interests, that is all to the good. but i think that they will find that it is going to be complicated, it's going to be difficult with this particular administration over there in moscow. >> admiral kirby, david ignatius. i want to ask you a question about your boss, secretary of state kerry, and whether there is any last hooray he has got in mind. there is talk that maybe

secretary kerry will try to get some sort of peace deal in yemen that would reduce the fighting there. is that something he is still thinking about? >> well, twi tell you what i ca tell you. the two weeks he has left going to work hard on issues. yemen as you pointed out is one of them. i can't predict success on any particular front but i can tell you the secretary is still actively having conversations with foreign leaders about the situation in yemen and still engaged what we are trying to get done in libya and shore up the government of national accord there and as he said yesterday in his final press conference here he is very much engaged with lavrov and the turkish foreign minister on syria and moving that process along as well. he is not going to leave any stone unturned. i think they have to drag him out here with his fingernails scraping on the sidewalk because he is going to work very hard right up until the end. >> admiral john kirby, as always, love having you. willie, there was a second part

of this. one of the tweets. instead everybody said blowing up. you need to know. or just let it go. say good-bye. come on, alex. you don't want to tell them what he said now? >> i want to keep people guessing. >> not like they don't have the twitter machine at home themselves. >> i want to hear your dramatic tradition. >> you did an orson welles there. >> be right back. i'm going to channel orson welles. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road.

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feud between heidemann and douch. >> hiel man has a kind of buck leesque -- breaking news. let's go to apprentice tweet where willy geist is. will lee what do you have today? >> the rates are inand arnold schwarzenegger got swamp. that was now compare him to my season one, who cares he supported casic and hillary clinton talking about arnold

schwarzenegger. >> at the end of the day, you're going to have people and you're going to have us weekly, you're going to have all twitter sphere is going to be talking about this. >> he needs to poof himself up and more importantly let's devert attention because this is an sexy exciting story -- >> you're talking about enter tanment. >> we are not talking about. >> this is what a lot of people are going to be talking about. he going down to that's going to be a spectacle. trump tower you are going down there that's going to be a spectacle, the motorcade going through the middle of the city.

all attention on that. he meets gray ton carter who called him number 1988 in spy magazine. stepped back off that. that's going to be another drama played out in twitter sphere and everything else. >> what are they going to talk about. >> it's going to be there. sure part of this is to divert attention and make a big circus. what if the main motivation for the schwarzenegger tweet and a lot of this is to poof himself up, he has a pathological need to inflate himself. you say to yourself i cannot believe there is the president-elect of the united states and he tweeting about arnold schwarzenegger's ratings.

>> the media need to figure out by ignoring this or -- we have all pathological issues. >> one of my favorite simpsons moments is when homer goes to jail. and he does what you expect classically. you mean -- oh, doughnut. you wear satan down and satan is not going to give up.

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so hateful. john meech shum, washington katty kate. we feel sorry for david pod. there's nothing for them to talk about at all. nothing happening here. >> for you. we'll find -- you know what, actually, everybody that we're going to talk about today pertains to david iing nayous. >> a stick ball player. >> he elbow up. you get into that with a stick ball. >> all right gets into this. donald trump schedule to city down with leaders of intelligence agencies today for high-level briefing. according to two top intelligent

officials. cyberattack as well as attacks on the federal government, white house, joint chiefs of staff and american corporation, that date back to 2008. according to "the washington post" the delivering stolen democratic e-mails to wikileaks sensitive information stored on democratic verse republican campaign network. spy network interaccepted including according to the post some who had knowledge of the cyber operations. the report does not speculate on when it affected outcome of the presidential race. according to nbc sources it includes kremlin motive. questioni

questioning legitimacy of vladimir putin election keeping politics out of intelligence matters. >> we cannot make good decision unless we have good intelligence and it's important that the president is getting the best non-political sized as possible. because our security is at stake. my hope is that when the president-elect receives his own briefings and is able to examine the intelligence as the team is put together and they see ou professional and effective the agencies are that some of those current tensions will be reduced. >> how did nbc get into top secret report. who gave him this report and

why. politics. >> that's a good question. but not the most important question. it is important question on why is the president-elect going to be getting classified briefing and its leaked all over the place. it's another part of the ugly relationship that started with donald trump's disrespect from the intel agencies. don't screw with the cia they will leak you to death. it's not like we didn't say that a thought times over the several weeks. what did we learn from "the washington post," what did we learn from them? >> the most dramatic image is of russian officials cheering surprise victory of donald trump on november 8. this is taken from intelligence

intercrepts according to posts. it's unusual for someone to be willing to describe the scene. these a sitting around the guy they wanted to win and they have been talking angrily in the kremlin about hillary clinton since 2011 and 2012, i cite a piece about just how angry they were about hillary clinton, the idea of her being president, the feeling they end their guy won. we don't know the details of that. the briefing yesterday gave a way of hints it wasn't just hacking, deception, manipulation, fake news to support trump, active evidence to suppress evidence about him we're going to hear a lot more

in the next few days. we're going to have a war of briefings and leaks about the briefings. trump will be briefed today. how he reacts today is crucial. often a president-elect would say it's shocking to hear foreign meddling in our election is shocking. >> what is so bizarre about that katty kat is the fact that donald trump stands o alone in questioning these intel reports. he stand-alone in pushing back against russian influence as we have been saying more months there's going to be russian hearings for the next two years. you can get run over by that train or you can step aside and

let it move forward. to in point, he decided to get run over by the train. by the way, if he doesn't stop he going to grab rex tillerson and bring him on to the track as well as. >> what's odd about it is starting to look like trump is so des rate to curry favor with president putin that he prepared to go as far as ignoring intelligence officials reports and placing himself in the opponents camp. one of the things mystifying about donald trump is his -- the russia thing is fairlily new, the putin admire ration is new. why is he putting mike pompeo

incredibly difficult. >> do you want to be mike going into langley. he will send them once he walks in the front doors. david, you have written about this. what does trump -- we talked before. and you can have conversation about how trump playing russia after china, if there were a grandier view of this but that requires a push back occasionally towards moscow and we don't see that. >> trump has been skillful in creating uncertainly among potential adversaries particularly china, about what he may do.

he crossed lines people thought were uncrowsble. he raised one china policy. and the chinese are floored. it's possible he will turn around toward his friend vladimir putin and say, listen friend, i need a lot more from you than just a smile and ha hand shape. i want the following concessions that would be in character with the deal maker who comes on hard and nice but is going for the hard deal. >> that is david what he claims that he does claim -- we have tried it the other way and georgia got inelevated and kri me ya got inelevatevaded. what can eget out of it that

justifies criticizing his own intel agencies. there's not enough deal there. >> you're right. in gains he hopes to get, he needs a stronger intelligence services. the cia is one part of the defendant that works solely for the president. they have certain authorities that go directly to the agencies. it's spelled out in a couple of lines in the national security act. there's no power like that that the president has. trump doesn't understand that. nor to understand in his relationship with his government this is about as tight an intimate as it gets. whether to take strikes against terrorist are made in that chain between the president and the cia director. i think that's what's going to

strug el over in the next few days. we'll now a lot from his body language how he reads it. >> i don't think it's going to -- cozy relationship with russia. mo does ap randy that questions his supremacy, his godliness that suggesting this what caused him to lose the suggestion, you would have won the election one way of the another. that's not what this is about. you're democrat straighting all that motivate you is yourself worth verse 300 people. you have a different position. i don't think he eats count

clo chock la. >> i agree with done ni. it's a big moment. what are the other potential -- >> can you strip somebody of their pulitzer prize? >> we're sending certain conventionalities, to the chain of command, as david says, but his drama, it seems to me is i have gotten this far by doing things the way i want to do them so he going to continue to do that. the idea that his legitimacy is being questioned is an -- >> the only thing i would say is that does undercut dony argument the reason he doing this is he has people concerned since the republican primary that he

admires vladimir putin too much. you can go back to the show last december, when he kept saying positive things about similarvl putin you understand he assassinates people. we don't assassinate journalist, et cetera. then he backed down. so, this is nothing new. this is -- there's something there about putin that none of us understand and it's been there for sometime. >> to clarify, he going to have the briefing to the president obama had on the material. when he comments on it after that would be different from all the other comments he made. the question is going to be does he come into line with everyone

else and say i'm convinced or does he continue to express doubts that he expressed before he had the briefing. if he goes down that path. it will throw the creditability of the intelligence agencies. their relationship would be horrible place and it will raise the questions that we're asking now about what is really going on with his and slafvladimir pu. so if we look at this -- >> if we look at it, the one thing we can say, he is the mass master thing. where a guy can say "new york times" going out of business the

ner next day he can say and goes up there and talks to him -- meek new rottic and you're a loser. >> can we delve into that one. >> we can look at those things where he bash and attacked people. then he sat down and changed his mind. when he given some evidence like james mattis on water boarding. there are ambassadors that watch the show. if you want to know donald trump, go in and give him the facts, if they're extraordinary competent and there's respect across the table, i suspect it will turn out well.

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you concerned with -- >> yeah, they made a lot of progress with us. during the transition period. we talked early on when he went out for dinner did not bring a press pool. they put together one yesterday press pool and 13-members group who follows the president wherever he goes. >> there's going to be same kind of pool that's covered every president. >> yes. when he travels on air force one, when he goes abroad, when he goes out for dinner. >> what the biggest concern you have about possibly definiteuatidefinitefuation from tradition. >> he told us yesterday he going

to have a daily something but it may not necessarily be a daily briefing. we would like it to be televised every day. that's something he is still mulling over. he told us yesterday, be prepared for some changes but we want to work with you and we want to work with him as well. >> katty kay. >> with individuals reports given there's such personal antagonism and the president-elect singed out news reporters in a way i have not seen before. >> that's part of what's been unusual how the press has been treated by the campaign in the year and a half leading up to the election. that's created some concern

and anxiety among the press corp. they are committed to working with the press corp. about that. we talked about reporters and news organization that may write stories they may not like, we have access to the press room and the white house correspondence will push hard. >> thank you. coming up on joe, it's going to be first time since a federal reserve board raised interest rates. next on "morning joe."

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. welcome back. it's 8:30 on the east coast. this time the president-elect took aim an announcement that toyota made in 20 co roll la cars for u.s. no way, build in u.s. or pay big boarder tax.

the tweet had affect sending down .75%. production will be in mexico saying u.s. will not decrease. collaborating with the trump administration to serve in the best interest of the consumers and the auto makers industry we have seen this before on markets worldwide. >> more than anything in this area it does have impact on boeing, lock key, ford and gm. let's bring in editor of broom berg we bloom berg. >> it's had huge impact. in particular in mexico question. this issue of when companies

have moved several years ago have made the plants for this cars down there. there's hundreds of thousands produced in mexico and exported a large portion exported to american market for him to continue to harp on this and call it out, it affects long-term investment we have seen companies have to take mia cop pa to that causes tremendous -- >> it sounds like the companies thinking about building new plants in mexico is the greatest ink . >> we have to think that the companies outsources because it's cheaper labor, these are sophisticated companies that have been driven down there tor a variety of reasons to

destabilize that we have with mbs phoen mexico is going to have a long-term effect. >> republicans have railed against -- the auto industry, there was mitt romney, don't do that. and a lot of republicans criticized infrastructure plans of joe biden, et cetera. what is the republican party do now that we have a president who is not just violating do ma of this but doing in -- incht i think if they want to be elected in ohio michigan, and others, how do you put together the aei

version of economics along with a pop list version. that's what they have to figure out. swi what trump is doing. he wants it do all these all things but if you're going to build a plant in mexico there's going to be a massive tariff is when you try to bring it back into the united states. >> it's hard to make this to voters to explain to them a lot of jobs like michigan, and ohio are not coming back not because the manufactures, because it's been auto mated and robots are doing the jobs now. i can bring money that's offshore back to america, the reality of our economy now is that sector has been variety of

different reasons -- >> if you're going to have a plant down in mexico trump is going to say bring those jobs here to united states. that is easy for voters because -- >> whether he can deliver on bring it back is total task. there's many layers he has to -- >> let's bring in cnbc dominick, but because the regulations and tax rates because he think they has congress going to cut regulation and cut tax rates. >> the whole idea of this right now you're putting this economic data data in a world of political

lens, it's going talked about all after the place. when we talk about the job picture, it's singular report in the entire world because it's about whether or not we can get americans back to work. all of these tweets trying to figure out whether or not economy going to go into the right direction. the report we got is not robust as we expected. 183 jobs instead we got 186. below estimates. 4.7%. we did see some strength in health care and food services, hospitalality related. the bottom line is as long as we have job in to focus in united

states, we're going to hear whether or not wer going to put a border tax on things so we want to make things in united states as opposed to importing them from oir country. this economic data is last formal job release in the obama administration. it's worth pointing out during the course of this past administration, over it's past eight years we did over go financial crisis and worst financial recession since the great depression we were kworking off a low base. we have a tough go back in '08-10, as related to these auto tweets boeing and everything else that's going on. >> we appreciate it. dony, it's simple, when you look back at the obama presidency 50

years from now. 4.7% unemployment that's going to be seen as victory, you can talk about how a lot of those jobs were part time jobs that people were not fully employed, et cetera etsz it doesn't matter when it goes for the history book he took over a horrific economy. that's going to be great success. >> shaving 3 points off unemployment basically the bail-out. that's the way history will see it. >> unemployment rate after the great recession went up to almost 10 pl%, quite a drop. >> what you can see is wage pick up starting to accelerate that's

going to lift the workforce as well. whether that trump will continue excel ration lagged in the sticking point in driving that further is going to be big questions. >> katty, we have a disturbing story out of chicago. >> this is cruel four people accuse of carrying out torture of a man live on facebook. charge what people police are calling hate crime. join us from chicago. >> this first time this four have answered for the video that's gone viral around the world. as you mention they are charged with a hate crime for this cruel and senseless attack.

>> don't get me on that. >> take it easy. >> >> reporter: they showed their faces on video and today will show up in court. two black when and two black women kidnapped a young man. slashed with a knife and forced to drink water and it went on to hours and posted live for all to see. >> the actions in that video are reprehensible have no place in the city of chicago. >> anything have seen it is sickened by it. >> reporter: the victim's gr grandmother tells us she has not

seen it. and doesn't. >> i know he did. >> investigators confirm he went to school with alleged -- sleep over escalated over several days. officers found the 18-year-old wa wanderi wandering the street. the attack has charged -- >> our community is embarrassed by the action of these young men. their actions are bar baric and we are outraged. >> as for the victim, his siblings say he is doing well as can be expected. >> we --

>> in addition to being charge with hate crime, battery with a deadly weapon, kidnapping, just that could carry up to 30 years in prison. joe, here is the state of illinois the fact that the crime was video taped is considered an aggravated factor which could increase those charges. a few people know what happened on the server. his company look at them in the wake of the hack. he joins us next. "morning joe" will be right back.

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the fact that the president-elect is tweeting on this issue and take it to the public and in many ways undermining the creditability of the very intelligence agencies that have to provide information

to him is order for him to be president of the united states this is just unheard of and unprecedented and i think we have to be concerned about this. this is not the kind of bickering that out to be going on in public. >> no it is not. that is former cia director spoking to the today's show. sean henry. you had a look at dnc computerers. what can you tell us? >> when you look at this investigation, i watched the hearings yesterday and i saw this bipartisan consensus of the attack on the dnc, we have to look at this wide ranging attack against u.s., for more than 20 years. this is not an islated incident

what happened to the dnc. how it was selected who knew what and when. the u.s. intelligence community has been looking at this kind of attack for a long time. what we'll see in the report is something that will be compelling, the american public may not see the specifics but the report will have compelling information that will point towards the russia's engagement in this. >> where would you put the odds on the serious cyberattack on the coming years? >> i think that's a great point if this is one incident does anything it should raise the awareness of the american public

of cyber as an attack vector. to take information like we saw at dnc but interest p ha national security perspective to impact our energy power deliver system, the ability to turn computers of or changes data so that the data is as risk. to see the threat the threat to u.s. national security there has been to competent hennive plan to execute against it. >> do you feel in your conversation that the trump administration is grappling with the thaet and do they have the right people in place when they're look at this? >> i have not had conversation with the incoming

administration. i know some folks that are there it highlights what the threat vector is. there will be many briefings that will layout in great detail what has happened in the past and what is happening in the future. when you see that and look at how significant the risk is the understanding and belief this type of threat that can push us back many years if we're attack the right way, i think the incoming administration will take that seriously. people will across the broader community have a roll in that. what when you have a new administration coming in, you have tens of thousands of people that have been in the fight for many years. they are not going to changes their career and em employees

and will have an opportunity -- >> as u.s. intelligence agencies to what extent to you think this relationship is undermining the efforts you're talking about to do something about potential future cyber attacks on the united states? >> i think intelligence is one of the most important components of the strategy. we have seen it in the physical world with terrorism, the ability to peer around the corner to disrupt terrorism. when the cards are laid out on the table there's a lot of specificity about tactics, the ability of what the u.s. intelligence community has collected to what level, when it's highlighted in great detail we'll see a broader

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revenue treating others things than what we associate it too. you can see the commercials for for see cyalice. >> it has such a broad use is that it blocks the junction between the nerve and the muscle. it does something articulating into a muscle. so if you want to effect a muscle, botox is drug to use. >> what did they start discoverying it was more than for cross eyes or wring l faces. >> in '99 he bout it for -- it

was first discovered as many off labels use are when people came in for cross eyes treatment. and doctor realized and of course, the drug company realized there was a mass i have market potential for that. >> depression, that's an interesting one. >> for years now i have been sending patients to newologyist for -- roll over and everything would be happier. they have done studies that if you inject the frown lines with the patients with major depression have a mood alteration. >> if were you a druler your depression would lift too. >> of course. >> the interesting thing about

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a good name. thank you as well. that does it for us. stephanie rule picks up our coverage. thank you. all right, i'm stephanie rule. this morning so much to cover. face-to-face, donald trump getting intelligence briefing on russia today. is he final going to believe it. this as senior adviser quits. biden officer this advise. >> time to be an adult. who pays for it. donald trump campaign all right looking around this campaign promise. >> we're going to build a whaul and mexico going to pay for the wall. >> will u.s. taxpayer pay the bill. hate