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this is california state prison, kor kin. housed criminals includes charles manson and founder of mexican fafia. despite reputation, violence doesn't come natural to everyone at kor krincorcoran. >> before he was here he was a librarian. >> i'm here because i'm an alcoholic. and done a lot of drugs too. >> his drug use resulted in six year sentence. >> at that time i had been married not very long. my wife was pregnant.
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the fact i couldn't stop drinking and i couldn't stop using, it was very difficult to deal with the shame and the guilt of all that. >> he and his wife eventually separated, but he broke in her home and stole her credit cards to buy drugs. >> i readily admitteds to it. i had to defense. >> i did go in and take the credit cards. wisely enough my wife cancelled mine. >> he was a very well relatable guy to those filming lockup. he expressed himself and he was a cautionary tale. his crimes were committed because of his substance abuse and i think most of us probably know people who have had similar issues, but there was stephen trying to navigate through an extremely violent world.
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>> i had an idea i would never end up in prison. i was somehow exempt. i'm not saying i was an exempt lair citizen by any means, but i had no idea it could get this bad. >> in the middle of interviewing stephen, the alarm went off and the rule is all prisoners get down on their stadiums and personnel and staff remain standing. >> falls alarm. it was a little sad actually watching stephen on the ground because we were in the midst of having this great conversation almost and he started to think of himself as a regular guy and back out on the street and suddenly it was very clear, no, he's an inmate and he has to get down on the ground like all the other inmates, get dirty.
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until he is told he can get back up. when i was in james thoun, i got a lot of practice. >> glad that happened for you guys. >> i made a little joke with him because i could feel his embarrassment and i wanted to try to lighten it up a little bit. >> did you try to arraign for that stephen. >> can't say that i did. okay. that was a lot of fun. where was i. >> he went on to tell us in order to survive in corcoran, he had to understand corcoran. >> at the beginning, when i was facing the 41 months, i thought how in the hell am i going to make it. i didn't see myself being apart of this community. it is a community no matter how
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dysfunctional it is. it is very stupid. there's a lot of rules here that are enforced by inmates. many of those inmate enforced rules revolve around racial politics. >> a lot of the people here have affiliation to gangs, but they asked me who do i run with. i run with teachers and librarians usually. haven't found too many of them yet. must also deal rely jobs as a housing clerk. >> i had a message you called over here. >> usually usually i come over and see who has patrolled if there are any rollup sgls i've got 109 up. 249 up. those are open since yesterday.
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i kind of look at those and see who we've got waiting and place them. it's a bit of a pruzle because we have to house according to ethnicity, gang affiliation, and medical needs. >> stephen had a job that that afforded him information about the inmates on the yard. he really had to walk a tight rope between doing his job correctly and appeasing the various inmate groups on the yard. particularly the white group. naturally your own people have expectations of you that are greater than someone of different race affiliations. if you have information, you do go to your people first. the clerks in the past have had a lot of run ins be beat up for things they've done, things they've not done of. things they've said. my boss asks me three or four
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times a week, i see the you didn't get beat up today. i say to him, you know, that really isn't that funny. it's, but i said to him the other day. you know that upsets me when you say that because it could happen. parra has seen his share of violence at corcoran. when he arrived he wanted to avoid twoubl, but he was told he would be tested. if he didn't fight back, his time here would be a lot worse. >> so i faulgt. that was pretty much the first fight i've ever been in in my life. i couldn't walk very well for about three or four weeks. i had black eyes for six weeks. i thought it was hell. and it was. you eventually just start living. you tart doing all these activities to. you wash your clothes.
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you make the ritual of having coffee just like you did out there. you don't have the option to get starbucks. you get the canteen and make what you can make. i think one of the interesting things i kind of woke up to was that that's what life is. here or elsewhere. you better get something out of it. if i can actually enjoy making coffee here in corcoran surrounded by a lot of loud people and a lot of other discomforts, i'm going to come out a lot better for it when i come out. if i'm going to live through this and i have a son so i better live there through, you reach down and you find metal you didn't know you had. that's what prison is all about. it's finding strength you never thought you had. >> coming up.
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>> i went up to the bars and slash, hit me with baby oil and greece. got all over my arm. my stomach. burnt my back too. i. >> a sex offender learns that one personality trait with lead too big trouble. >> one of the problems i had was excessive talking going on a lot of time. ta get the check. almost there. i can't reach it. if you have alligator arms, you avoid picking up the check. what? it's what you do. i got this. thanks, dennis! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. growwwlph. it's what you do. oh that is good crispy duck.
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>> bozo. . bozo the clown. >> why. >> >> i think it was because i didn't have any hair. >> one day i was having a conversation and he told me he one time worked in a circus and that was his favorite job which is kind of ironic considering his nickname being bozo and the wildlife he had. just out of nowhere you would hear him laugh. >> other than his hairline, he had little in common with his name sake and his crime was no laughing matter. when we met him, he was in his 13th year of a 65 year sentence for rape and criminal confinement. when we saw his scars, it was evident his time as a sex offender made prison anything, but a circus. >> i was burned with hot water out of a pot with baby oil and
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hair greece. got on my arm, got on my stomach. burnt my stomach. burnt my back, too. i healed up pretty good. that's a permanent scar forever. >> he claimed to not know who exactly attacked him, but he offered multiple possibilities for why it happened. he constantly changed his story about what happened and why he was attacked. at one point he told us it was he was defending a nurse who was the actual. >> i didn't want the nurse hurt i said throw it on me. >> another time he told us it was just an accident. i went up to the bars and slash. they hit me with baby oil and
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hair greece and burnt my arm and i didn't see the person who did it. there was a lot of prisoners out. i didn't see who it was. i'm not the type that would tell on someone any. one of the problems i had was talking a lot. excessive talking with going on and on a lot of times. >> not only was he a sex offender. he was a sex offender that constantly talked about his crime and even his current behavior, which was disturbing. he talked about it to anybody who would listen. and this prohave voeked the other inmates in effect to attack him. it was painful. very painful.
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he was also insistent he was not a rapist. at times he seemed unsure himself. >> how many exposures? it's been a long time. i was charged with three or four misdemeanors of the same thing. it showed a pattern i was trying to stalk women and then i raped this female. no, i did not. i learned my lesson to respect women and don't be doing that unless it's your now christian i know i couldn't be naked with somebody else we were married. >> he had recent write ups for exposing himself and not to anyone he was married to, but to prisoners. i gave up. i got to do 50 years for rape charges i didn't do. i was mad about that. >> he blamed other people to his problems. the fact of the matter was he was exposing himself to nurses and people and then he would talk about it. it's a front to most inmates.
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the exposures were forced upon me. every unit my clothes were either stolen or getting lost, but the problems started to be fixed and i'm proud of staff here. it's getting ready to continue to be corrected. >> we would try to conduct an interview and he would just keep going and the manner in which he spoke t way he conducted himself. it was draining. it was hard to keep him focused. you see there's one sheet. i don't got clothes. that's not something i worry about. the lord in his word says we don't need to worry about clothes. he'll worry. do the best i can. i wouldn't disrespect you like that. loif you.
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coming to prison can be culture shock for almost anyone. when we met armand at california state prison corcoran, he was recovering from a shoulder surgery. but that didn't help ease the pain of being here after a 26-year career in law enforcement. >> worked in the patrol division, narcotics bureau, detective bureau. personnel training in the jails and then i was promoted to lieutenant in 1984. >> after retiring, he and a group of friends started a charitable foundation. they raised over $3 million in donations. but then questions arose about where the money actually went.
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>> to make a long story short the judge said all of the money was raised was fraud even though we could show we gave away $70,000 to little league teams, hospitals, christmas drives, thanksgiving, easter basket drives. now it's all fraud money so because it's all fraud the $3.5 million is all income and by the way you owe several million dollars tax on that. >> after donating only $70,000 of the $3.5 million he raised, tiano was sentenced to almost 18 years in prison for fraud and embezzlement. >> it's one of those things that in the beginning it seemed surreal. as you go through it you start to devise ways to cope, or, go crazy. you know. i mean, no secret i mean i'm not ashamed to say i thought of killing myself. in the beginning. i didn't know if i could get through this.
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when i was arrested it took me down to my jail, where i worked, i've got guys that were working for me putting handcuffs on me. and they felt terrible. i mean, i had one guy tell me it's like putting handcuffs on my brother. >> the jury that convicted him believed that he used the millions of dollars he raised not to help others, but to live a life of luxury, purchasing houses, boats and sports cars. it's a very different lifestyle for tiano today. >> you have one little table there, you've got four walls, that are cement. you have a cement floor and no paint. a stainless steel toilet. you have to use the restroom where you often eat. there are two people most of the time in here. you can imagine. you have to go to the restroom here. it's just -- everything's just so -- i wasn't brought up that way, you know. i'm old school. it's very difficult. very, very difficult. >> not only was he former law
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enforcement, he still carried himself like a cop. and here he was incarcerated in a pretty hard core prison, and i could see he hadn't come to terms with the fact he was once a law enforcement agent and now he was an inmate. he still obviously struggled with that fact. he was lucky he was put in a protective custody unit, otherwise he would be in grave danger. >> i wouldn't probably last five minutes on the main line. >> why? >> they don't like cops. you know. or ex-cops. >> tiano says if nothing else his experience here has helped him see the people he used to arrest in a new light. >> i've been dealing with these people for many, many years. and you know, there's a lot of them that aren't, i mean, you know, there's a perception, unfortunately, by the majority of our society that everybody is in prison is really a bad person.
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and that's not the case. these -- i me my heart aches for some of these youngsters you see come in here, 21, 22 years old that are facing life sentences because of a stupid mistake. i mean, you just wonder how is this 22-year-old kid going to get through to age 65, 70, 75, 80, and this is it. i mean there's no more than this. this is all there is for him. i mean you can't help but have some empathy for that guy. >> it's a little sore. i got it out of the sling, trying to get -- gets too stiff if i leave it in there all the time. >> for all of these years for 26 years in law enforcement, you know, i've got a very good friend of mine that's retired captain. we write. and i was telling him it's like that whole point in my life has been for naught because they took my retirement badge, my retirement i.d. card, i used to win gold medals at the police olympics all the time and those are gone. it just -- it guts you is what
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it does. it just guts you. and you try and you know, hold that in as best you can but there's times when it just kind of oozes its way out. you are looking for new band-aids. you know. everything was great. i was -- i was happy. >> during our brief time with armand tiana state prison records only listed his current fraud and embezzlement convictions. later we discovered that this was not the first time he was incarcerated. prior to his fraud trial, he was also convicted of molesting two teenage female relatives. he received a year in county jail and five years probation. a surprisingly light sentence for disgraced police officer. prosecutors had asked for 15 years to life. with the xfinity tv app,
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