this sunda this sunday the battle over russia's election interference. >> russia has clearly assumed an even more aggressive posture by increasing cyber else peonage. >> president-elect trump got an intel briefing on friday but says he's still not sure. this morning i sit down with lindsey graham of south carolina. >> if after the briefing he is still unsure, that will shake me to my core about his judgment. >> and john mccain of arizona. >> and if they were able to succeed doing that, then you destroy democracies. >> plus, the secretary of defense, ash carter, live this

morning on what options u.s. has to counter russia. >> and obamacare. the republican party is divided on how to appeal it. if there is nothing to replace it with. >> i think it would not be the right path for us to repeal obamacare without laying out a path forward. >> joining this morning for insight and analysis are david brooks, columnist for "the new york times." andrea mitchell of nbc news. cnbc's rick santelli and former congresswoman donna edwards. welcome to sunday. it is "meet the press." >> this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. if there is one thing donl trump has been consistent about, it is that russia in no way interfered with the u.s. presidential election. from arguing in a debate that the hacking of the dnc would just as easily come from someone

who is 400 pounds sitting on his bed to trashing the national intelligence agencies to appearing to side with wicky leeks founder, donald trump has pushed hard against this movement. on wednesday, senators from both parties made their conclusions clear. russia interfered with the presidential election. on friday, those same intelligence agencies released a report that included this line, putin and the russian government aspired to help president elect trump's election chances when possible by discrediting secretary clinton and publically contrasting her in favor to him. now report did not include the sources and methods of how the agencies came to these conclusions. that portion is classified. but that was part of mr. trump's briefing on friday. publically the president elect reacted by neither accepting nor rejecting the finding. intelligence stated there was no evidence that the hacking

affected the election results. voting machines not touched. no one is suggesting that voting machines are affected. so the president elect seems to be largely on his own, at least within his party, on this dispute. >> don't trump is calling the controversial over russian interference a political witch hunt, putting himself at odds with the intelligence community. >> i think there is a difference between skepticism and disparagement. >> he's at odds with members of his own party. >> every american should be alarmed. >> and he's even at odds with the outgoing president. >> we have to remind ourselves we're on the same team. vladimir putin is not on our team. >> after an intelligence briefing on friday, trump dialed down his out raj saying he has tremendous respect for the intelligence community. but trump con flated russia with

china and other countries. on friday the intelligence community released a report publically concluding that russian president vladimir putin ordered an influence campaign aimed at the united states presidential election. quote, russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the u.s. democratic process, denigrate secretary clinton. we further assess putin and the russian government developed a clear preference for president-elect trump. the intelligence agencies concluded with high confident that russia's military intelligence arm passed on material it acquired from the dnc to wikileaks and other sights. for trump promoting that material became a campaign staple. >> they would just announcing

new wikileaks. and it wanted to stay there, but i didn't want to keep you waiting. let me run back under the plane and find out. >> a senior u.s. intelligence official tells nbc news that u.s. intercepts picked up senior russian officials celebrating trump's victory. the report did not address whether the russian campaign actually tipped the election to trump. but for a candidate to find my shifting policy stances, trump has been remarkably consistent on his ambivalence about russian involvement. >> i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. but also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? >> it could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace. >> do you doubt 17 military and civilian agencies? >> yeah, i doubt it. i doubt it. >> on friday, as mr. trump was being briefed, i sat down with two republican senators, john

mccain and lindsey graham. just one day after mccain held the first congressional hearing on russian interference in 2017 and i began by asking the both of them about mr. trump's claim friday morning that what we are seeing is nothing more than a political witch hunt. >> i believe our intelligence leaders who testified before the armed services committee are creditable people and well respected. general clapper i think had 53 years of experience in the intelligence business. and, yes, intelligence authorities have made mistakes in the past and have been wrong. but what they're saying is there is a long history of russian attempts to affect the outcome of our election. >> no. here is the deal for me. i think he's worried that inquiring into what russia did in the election is going to undermine his credibility and his legacy. quite frankly, i haven't heard

any democrat at all of prominence say that we doubt that donald trump won. putin is not the reason that clinton lost and trump won. i don't think anybody is saying that. so mr. president elect, that's not what we're trying to do. what we're trying to do is find out what the russians did to enter our elections and make sure that other people, including the russians won't do it next time. no doubt in my mind that russians interfered, that john to december sta's e-mails were hacked and that the dnc was compromised by the russians. and it seems pretty clear to me that wikileaks got it from the russians. so he's going to be the defender of the free world here pretty soon. in a couple weeks, donald trump will be the defender of the free world and democracy. you should let everybody know in america, republicans and democrats, that you are going to make russia pay a price.

even though it didn't affect the outcome, they tried to interfere and they should pay a price. i don't care what their motives were. i think he's worried about it undermining his legacy. >> you think it's personal? >> yes. because he said it's time to move on. remember when he was asked on new years eve and he said let's just get on with our lives. our lives are built around the idea that we're free people, that we go to the ballot box and have political contests outside of foreign interference. you can't go on with your life as a democracy when a foreign entity is trying to compromise the election process. so mr. president-elect it is important you show leadership here. let me say this. if after having been briefed by our intelligence leaders donald trump is still unsure as to what the russians did, that would be incredibly unnerving to me

because the evidence is overwhelming. all i'm asking him is to acknowledge that russia interfered and push back. it could be iran next time. it could be china. it was democrats today. it could be republicans in the next election. >> i want to get the washington post has a part of this intelligence assessment that says that one of the reasons they know this is they intercepted communications with russian officials that were celebrating the trump victory. what does that tell you? >> i think you could only draw the conclusion, if they were celebrating, that they obviously wanted the outcome to be what it was. and then the question is what did they do to try to achieve that outcome. and it's pretty obvious that they were heavily engaged and we need to come to grips with and get to the bottom of it and overall come up with a strategy

in this new form of warfare that can basically dismantle our -- harm our economy, harm our elections, harm a national security. >> where should this investigation go from here? you guys are focussed on the larger issue of cyber security. frankly, protecting democracies around the world. but what about should there be an investigation about whether any of the campaigns had any interactions with moscow, with any -- >> i would like to see a select committee. apparently that is not in agreement by our leadership. so we will move forward with the armed services committee and i'm sure foreign relations and intelligence committee will as well. but it is possible if enough information comes out that that decision could be reversed. i still think it's the best way to attack the issue. >> are there still active investigations going on to try to figure out if there was

coordination between campaigns? >> you asked me what should we do. we should get to the bottom of things all things russian. >> period. >> wherever it leads, in whatever form. >> is that currently happening now in other investigative agencies, fbi, a joint task force, anything like that? is that currently happening and we just don't know about it. >> i believe it is happening, but you need to talk to them because i don't want to speak to them. here's what i think we should do as a nation, we should all condemn russia for what they did. to my republican friends who are gleeful, you are making a huge mistake. when wikileaks released information in the bush years about the iraq war, most democrats condemned it. some celebrated it. most republicans are condemning what russia did. so those that are gleeful about it, you are a political hack. you are not a republican. you are not a patriot. if this is not about us, then i'll never know what will be

about us because when one party is compromised, all of us are compromised. here is what i am going to do with senator mccain. we are going to enter sanctions that are bi bipartisan. and we are going to give president trump an opportunity to make russia pay a price for interfering in our election so it will deter others in the future. i hope he will take advantage of it. >> let me play devil's advocate here. what about senator mccain, hey, we spy on russia. russia spies on us. we have done some democracy -- we have supported democracy movements in russia actively so. isn't that a form of getting involved in their politics? how is this not a same thing? >> it isn't just elections that they are hacking into. it is across the board, including military secrets that we have, including the ability

to shut down satellites, including the ability to shut down power plants. i mean, they can do grave danger to the united states of america. we never tried to do anything like that. >> you guys just returned from a trip to eastern europe, spending some time in the baltic countries. what would you say to donald trump? he seems to have an affinity for putin. he seems to want to have a reset with him. do you think a reset with putin is something that's worth doing. >> i wish he would have gone with me to ukraine as we did and met with the brave ukraine yan's that are serving. they have dismembered a country, and i don't think they're through. and they have done so in violation of all international norms of behavior. and they are putting strains on the post of world war ii, new world order, the likes of which we have never seen.

>> here's what we told them. our voices are going to be lent to their cause in two ways. i want a one, two punch against russia. i want more sanctions to hit him harder to deter what he did in our election and what he's doing throughout the porworld, putin. we want more trainers on the ground, 365 days a year, a permanent u.s. military training presence in the baltics, ukraine and georgia. >> would you be more comfortable today if hillary clinton were preparing to be president as far as national security is concerned, senator mccain? >> no, i don't -- i don't think much about that because the result of the election. but i thought some of the things that were revealed in the wikileaks were very disturbing as well and the server and the statements about benghazi. so, no, i think -- i'm not sure

it would be better. >> where are you on this? >> i want president trump to be a good president. i like the fact he wants to get a better deal with the your rain yans. i like the fact he wants to cut taxes and secure our border. there is a lot of things i agree with donald trump on. i want to help him where i can and i feel an obligation to say nowhere i must. right now the biggest problem i have with what i see coming out of the president-elect's team is russia. i'm hoping that after he gets the briefing from the finest among us that there is zero doubt the russians did this. nobody is saying that you didn't win the election, mr. trump, president-elect trump. that's not the issue. i hope you will embrace the intelligence. you will join the republicans and democrats to push back against russia to make sure this stops and doesn't happen again. if after the briefing he is still unsure, that will shake me to my core about his judgment. >> i'm going to wrap up with a

question that has nothing to do with this. president obama is going to be giving his farewell address. >> i would say the most positive part of his legacy is that very fact that the first african-american was president of the united states and it is a signal that in america anybody can rise to the highest level. and i think that that's a very important landmark and it's historic. i would argue that his worst is his handling of national security, particularly in the middle east and the red line over syrian use of chemical weapons. that said, when he went back on that, it sent a message that reverberated throughout the world. >> he and the first lady need to

be complimented for representing our nation well as a first family. like senator mccain says, this is historic. but it just wasn't that. i think the family represented us in a fashion we could all be proud of. as to policy, i think he's going to be remembered for taking america from a position of strength to a position of weakness, that on his watch he was a very poor adversary for evil and even worse defender of democracy. >> that's rough. >> it's true. and it's sad. it's not what i want to say. but tell me how you could come to any other conclusion. all i could say is his foreign policy has been a miserable failure. he's been weak to the core when it comes to representing american values. i home donald trump will make it better. we've had eight years of weak. i don't want four more years of it. when it comes to russia, he's on the wrong path. >> when we come back, incoming

white house counselor kellyanne conway responds. and they've got the repeal part down now, but replacing is proving to be a bit more difficult. so now what? stay with us.

. welcome back. former democratic congresswoman donna edwards and my friend andrea mitchell and david brooks. welcome all. happy new year to you. before i get to you guys, i want to show you this. this morning i spoke to kellyanne conway, the kouns slor to the new president-elect trump and i asked her if donald trump accepts the conclusions. >> in terms of russia, if the report says that they attempted, i read even "the new york times" stories are saying they aspired to and attempted. they did not succeed. they did not succeed to embarrassing this country on the

world's stage. that's very clear in this report. and i don't want your viewers to be left with any other impression. read "the new york times" out takes. read the washington post. read the report itself. there is no evidence that russia succeeded in any alleged attempt to disrupt our democracy. >> he wants to pursue better relations with russia, even staring at this report that says russia was trying to disrupt our democracy. do you believe he could do both? >> he said yes. >> so he will punish russia on this? he does plan to punish russia on this? >> i didn't say that. i told you earlier he's not the president yet. all of you insist one president at a time. when he becomes president after january 20th and he meets with his security intelligence team, he as president trump will make a decision on what to do. >> okay, guys. i heard one piece of news there from kellyanne. i wonder if you heard the same

thing, which is, okay, there seems to be a tas said acceptance of the conclusions that russia attempted to disrupt. and, so, they have -- i feel as if they have moved a little bit. >> she has, not the president-elect in his tweets about this because he lumped russia, china, all the other bad actors on cyber attacks, which we have known about in the past. this was a report and investigation into russia. and it was not an investigation into whether they succeeded. the very attempt is the issue. and it is not just cyber. it is the propaganda war. it is fake news. the russian television network that has connections with michael flynn. so there are profound questions here. and this was a devastating attack and attempt. and whether or not they succeeded is not the issue. changing the subject is not the issue. the attempt itself is what was being punished. >> david?

>> this thing is happening on two levels. the first level is the gravitational pull of donald trump's ego, which is like jupiter coming through the solar system. and he cannot admit he won this election without anybody else's help. he wants to say it is me, it is me. but the more important thing is the shift in strategies, which i think is lot of people in the administration want to do, which is through all our lifetimes, republicans and democrats have supported the post world war ii order and seen russia or the soviet union as a threat to that. ban nons and others do not support that order. they see russia as national pop you lists against islam. that would be a fundamental shift in american policy if we are more prorussia than pro nato. to me it will be bannen versus trump. >> rick, what do you make of that? >> you know, if hillary didn't

have her e-mail problem and we didn't go back to 2009 around see whether it was lindsey graham or john mccain make a bigger issue out of all the hacking that was going on, when target gets hacked, i don't hear people saying, hey, was it co kohl's? was it walmart? it doesn't matter. there was a hack. you deal with it. i think what's going on here is really so politically driven. it doesn't matter who did what when. we work with iran. are they our friends? listen, the president-elect has a boat load of issues. i believe with the pull of his ego, but i think the media -- the media in general is just being quite unfair here. >> wait, wait, wait. why is this a media issue? this is the intelligence community. >> where was all of this when the dnc was hacked in june? see, this wasn't made an issue because it would have put the e-mails in hillarys server right in the middle and thick of it.

that's why this went under the radar screen. this is all tied together. >> we have to not con flat the hillary e-mails with the -- let me finish -- with the russian interference in this election. i don't agree with kellyanne conway. i actually do think that the russians got what they wanted. they interfered. they are creating this chaos. we are two weeks outside of an inauguration and we have chaos about what happened with our election process. i think there was success and i think the president-elect needs to not just move from accepting that there was an attempt, but to really going after the russians because here it's the elections. the next time it is another election. maybe it is the republicans. maybe it's our economic -- economic system and we have to treat this seriously. and the president-elect needs to get out of campaign mode and get

into government. >> putin is a guy who murders journalists and destroyed the democratic process in his own country and now he feel it is freedom to do that in our down dri. it's not normal -- >> to see russians happy because trump won. i never saw you so unhappy. you picked sides. everybody picks sides. >> that's not true, rick. let's get back to the fact. >> what are the facts? we have seen entities. we were hacking merkel's phone. everybody does it. >> we do it. they do it. what made this different is that the russians weapon niced it by transferring it through intermediatiers through wikileaks. they do it and hold it. we do it and hold it. let me finish my sentence. wikileaks was out from the end of the summer and it was being investigated. >> where were these headlines then?

>> whoa, whoa, whoa. there was no proof of who did it. >> people in charge of intelligence are political as well here. >> the intelligence gathering that normally takes place was operationalized by the russians to interfere with our elections. i mean, we look at the report -- >> they did it in you careeukra. they're doing it in germany right now. >> right. we should be solving the problem instead of making it a political hot potato. let me see the cuban missiles on the island picture. trump needs to see it before networks needs to see it. there is hearings on anything. >> rick, if you had been there, you would have seen something very different. >> i'm going to pause this conversation. we will come back. but when i come back, i'm first going to have a conversation with the outgoing secretary of defense, ash carter. he joins me here. i'll ask him what could the united states do to retaliate against russia.

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welcome back. there are a few people better positioned to know what options the united states has at its disposal to retaliate against the russians for the election interference. my next guest as been president obama's secretary of defense for the last two years and he has watched as we have moved to a hope for russian reset to russian aggression in you rain, crimea, syria and of course the 2016 interference issue. welcome to "meet the press,"

sir. >> good to be here. >> let me start with something senator mccain said. he called this interference an act of war. do you agree? >> whatever you call it, it is an aggressive act against our very democracy, and that's why i think all americans need to regard it very seriously. the intelligence committee came to that judgment. they reported it out this week. they obviously did a very careful job given the nature of it, which is cyber. and that's the conclusion they came to. and it raises questions about our overall strategy with respect to russia. >> okay. but let me go to, does it require -- what kind of response? do you believe it is a military response? many people do not believe it should be a cyber response? >> i think we should not limit ourselves when cyber is the means used to commit this against us. i don't think it should be a

military or purely military response. there has to be a response. and i think the things that -- the steps that have been taken so far probably represent a beginning and not the end, a floor and not the ceiling. obviously it would be up to the next administration and the congress to take those steps. >> do you accept the criticism that this administration has moved too slowly to punish the russians? >> i can't speak to the fbi and for the national intelligence community. they obviously did a very careful job. they took the time that it required them to become certain about this conclusion. but now it is what it is. they're very clear. they're very unequivocal about the judgment. and i think the seriousness of the issue is one that all americans need to take very seriously. >> president-elect has, while he's dialed back his criticism of the intelligence committee,

he still said he wants to pursue a good relation with russia. he put this in quotes, only stupid people or fools would think that is bad. can the united states continue to have a compartmentized relationship with russia anymore under this circumstance? >> i wouldn't say compartmentalized, but we do have to have what i'll call a strong but also a balanced approach to russia. you know, chuck, i'll be leaving the pentagon next thursday. i first walked in there 35 years ago. it was the peak of the cold war. and at that time, we had serious problems with moscow, as we do now. and even then, we always tried wherever possible to find common ground with russia and work with it then. i did that after the wall came down and worked with russia and the russian military very, very effectively and cooperatively.

what's become difficult in recent years is that russia has attempted to define its interests as being ones of frustrating the united states, rather than pursuing its own interests. they're pursuing their own interests. we could look at their interests and our interests. but we need a strong policy of countering russia and also a balanced one. >> has russia been an ally in this renewed effort to get rid of isis. >> they haven't done it. no, they haven't done anything. >> would you put it at zero? >> virtually zero. they came in and said they were going to fight isil and help end the civil war in syria. as a consequence, we're fighting i si isil ourselves.

in fact, iraqi security forces are approaching the tie gres river as we spoke today. >> andrea mitchell seemed to say whatever the red line decision by president obama on syria, however -- however folks want to interpret it now got interpreted as something was going to happen and when nothing happened it created this vacuum. do you the end to agree with that premises? >> i wasn't secretary of defense then. and that was then and now is now. >> but has it made your job harder? >> for the russian behavior in syria has certainly made the ending of the syrian civil war there harder. now -- >> would the russians be there if the united states had forced the red line? >> i can't say that. i think the russians saw an opportunity there to play a role, which could have been fine, because what they said they were going to do, which you could uniquely do, is help asad

move aside gently, bring the moderate opposition into the syrian government and put an end to the terrible tragedy there. that's what they said they were going to do. that would have been okay. that's not what they've done. >> i want to ask you about something. bill perry was very concerned about this idea of essentially of some sort of nuclear bomb that's used somewhere, anywhere, that this is a crisis we're not paying enough attention to. you created a co-op with him ten years ago saying that maybe there should be preemptive action against north korea. would you advocate that now? >> that was a different circumstance then. but with respect to north korea today, that's absolutely right. their nuclear weapons and

ballistic missile defense programs are a serious threat to us. we try to stay ahead of that, and we are trying. we are staying ahead of that with our missile defenses to make sure we have upgraded their number, their type, so we're sure we could defend ourselves. we have deployed missile defenses in south korea, japan, guam and of course we have 28,500 troops there today, chuck. we do every day. their slogan is fight tonight. we're ready to defend the korean peninsula and defend our friends there. so in the defense department our stop is today one step ahead. >> is it policy now that if they test a missile, the united states would shoot it down. >> if it were threatening to us, yes. >> what about a test into the ocean? is that something we shoot down? >> we only would shoot them down that is use an interceptor for

that purpose if it was threatening, that is, if it were coming towards our territory or the territory of our friends and allies. >> before i leave here, i want to ask you about the tragedy in fort lauderdale. the family believes there is some sort of trauma he received while serving overseas. obviously ptsd concerns a lot of our military. do you worry the national guard doesn't have the ability to find these mental health problems with veterans has they get discharged soon enough? >> i can't say that's this particular case. >> we understand that. >> but ptsd and so-called invisible wounds of war are something we do take seriously. we have to take seriously. one of the most serious things i do is sign deployment orders and

execute orders that send people into harm's way. so it matters a great deal to me that we take care of wounded warriors. and the mental wounds are very real. >> do you think we've done enough? >> we keep learning more about how to deal with this kind of illness. we are going to learn more and we need to do more as we learn more. we oh it to these people. >> i have to leave it there. thank you for your service to the country and good luck. >> thanks. appreciate being here. >> back in a moment. if the republicans can't figure out the replace part of obamacare, what about the replace. and then rue pert mur dock's friendly post, urging hillary clinton to run again as major of work city. children: grandpa!

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welcome back. welcome back. we are starting to see something of a seat change. repealing and replacing obamacare now that the gop controls the house, the senate and the white house. the promise that they've been making to voters to repeal the law shouldn't be that difficult, but this week, a growing list of republicans are successful with the repeal and replace program will be ready to go at the same time. >> i think it's imperative that republicans do a replacement simultaneous to repeal. if they don't boomcare continues to unravel. >> during the campaign he said that the repeal and replacement should take place simultaneously. okay? that to me, is the prudent course of action. >> kicking the can down the road for a year or two years will

want make it easier to solve. >> the panel is back. the health care wars. rick, let me ask you, you see, you know, it's one thing to campaign. now they've got to govern. where are you? >> i think the repeal we probably all agree on is going to happen. the issue on replace is that if you have insurance right now, just because replace doesn't come immediately when they pull the straw to repeal doesn't mean you're not going to have insurance and many out there don't understand that. i've had many insurance experts on as guests on my spots and the earliest any of these believe that you can actually implement is some of these changes is '18, maybe early, '19. i think it will be difficult to find the replace, and people need to be aware it will not affect the coverage they have and this is donald trump's test. he's a dealmaker. he's already visited many of the players, and i think that this is where his skill lies. i think he's going to make

deals, and i think competition is the biggest thing he's going to bring to the table. >> it's interesting why i'm glad we led this segment also with the data download which shows, look, many of his constituents are not going to accept just a repeal. they want the replacement. >> the big problem that conservative republicans and the freedom caucus are concerned about are the billions of dollars in tax revenues. if you repeal, you lose the money that finances a lot of this and they're using that money already so this is going to be a big problem and they don't want to blow a hole in the budget deficit. they can deplay the implementation dates and they've got a real problem. >> i want to underscore, something, it the phase in, it took three years, but it's seeing the plan immediately is the concern. >> i think, you know, the exchange markets in decay right now. they're falling apart and the insurance companies are one step

out the door and they're losing large amounts of money and thinking that they'll hang around a system that's falling apart because of a system that's over three years. >> the policy sign today will be in place. >> will the coverage be as good? maybe it has to be. >> that's been the hallmark of this plan. >> the base of the system is an insurance-based system. they were ideas built from republican ideas and mitt romney in massachusetts and the fact is republicans know that their replacement has to include some of these elements, and so i think the honest thing to do for republicans is to repeal it and replace it, and if they'd had a replacement we'd have it by now. >> think what's interesting to be interesting is will there be a dynamic where chuck shchumer and donald trump forge an alliance to come up with a compromise. >> if donald trump keeps tweeting that he's a clown probably not. not the best way to go into this. >> you want pre-existing

conditions to be covered. you want young people who can stay on their parents' plan. all of these elements that people really like, and to do that you've got to have the other where you get, you know, a guarantee in the system so that it can pay for itself, and i just don't think republicans have the ideas and they want to delay it so they can get the bonus to say yeah, we repealed obamacare. >> selling you car insurance, how would that compare with the rates you get today? >> i think many agree, being on the plan to 26. good idea. pre-existing conditions, they all have a cost so you have to find a way to pay for it, but it doesn't mean that you're going to keep or change. listen, cars have tires. you can reinvent a car, but it will still have tires. those aspects are components of health care. >> it's a silly a nnalogyanalog. >> people can keep what they have right now or it's political suicide. >> do you want to keep your

plan, that's bad politics. >> it's political suicide for the democrats. the wonky thing to say is they can change the budgetary aspects and they can't change it without a much higher political hurdle and that's tough to get. >> all i have to say, democrats made a mistake when they didn't bring republicans into the process and they owned it on. and republicans will make a mistake if they own it on this own. if it's a partisan effort on the other side we will continue to litigate. >> i think there will be big compromise. >> i think we all want to see compromise once somewhere. i have one compromise here. let's take a break. that we can all agree on. "meet the press" has expanded. we call it 1947 and that's the year the podcast was born. i talk to the andrew sullivan and chris fowler, just to name a few folks. we have a lot more interesting guests lined up and find us on

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back now with "endgame." everyone is wondering what is hillary clinton going to do? well, our friends at "the new york post post" has an idea, new york city needs hillary clinton to run for mayor. it seems unlikely, but the idea has been floating around for several days and so far these not rejecting it. for what it's worth, we'd love to see you run for mayor. new york needs you. the new york post loving hillary clinton. >> the new york post hates bill de blasio and no love loss

there, they're stirring the pot and no comment for team clinton and she's coming for the first time back to washington to actually speak. she's coming to the state department to dedicate a memorial wall on tuesday night, but the bottom line is that this could be a trial balloon. no one is saying it isn't. >> here's my conspiracy theory -- >> it would be a terrible idea. >> the only reason the clintons haven't put it down yet is they're having a little fun with de blasio who took forever to endorse her and it's a little political needling. >> does new york city need mayor hillary clinton? >> being from chicago and looking at our history on mayors. i never weigh on which direction it goes. >> because they're not going to pick up your garbage. >> exactly. >> she can be celebrity apprentice and apparently that's not working out. redskins coach, paul simon roadie. there are a lot of good jobs. >> defensive coordinator. >> dawn edwards, what would you

tell her? >> i would invite her on my rv road trip. >> you brought up "celebrity apprentice." donald trump and arnold schwarzenegger and, yes, okay, before viewers all start yelling at me, nbc has a conflict -- okay. it's on nbc entertainment, but clearly, trump tweets about ratings and arnold has fun with him saying you didn't have a great -- arnold tweeted right back. first, here's trump, wow! the ratings are in and arnold schwarzenegger got swamped or destroyed by comparison to the ratings machine djt. >> i wish you the best of luck and i hope you'll work for all american people as aggressively as you've worked for your ratings. >> donald trump is an executive producer of this show. why trash your own show? >> we can all debate on the tweeting and maybe it's a new way to communicate with the people as president-elect. >> how about doing it two hours before getting the intelligence briefing on russia?

>> finally, he tweeting on something he has expertise on. >> in all honestly, it's funny, this is the week, david brooks, that i thought donald trump said i'm just going to tweet what i want. this was his tweeting habit this week felt like the september donald trump. it was interesting, and boy, when you have the incoming white house press secretary saying i don't know what he's tweeting until after i see it on twitter. that's tough. >> we have to treat it like snapchat, they'll go away. >> the rest of the world is reading this stuff. >> they, too, have to acknowledge these things come out of his mind and then they go off. >> he's the president of the united states after january 20 -- >> shake it up. >> it's interesting with the tweets this week, there were three automakers, rick, that he hit. you came out hard against president obama overall. you don't like government interference in the economy. when is it too much for you? when is it too much for your

taste? >> when it doesn't benefit the u.s. economy. he's restricted on how involved he gets and i like fair markets, and free markets. there will be tax policy changes, most likely and regulatory rollbacks most likely which will change the scale of how businesses operate that aren't in this country selling products here. maybe he's giving them a head's up. >> i was told, in fact, that the ford ceo got so many calls, eight or nine separate calls from donald trump about trying to shut down other overseas operations so they finally came up with this small piece of it, but that's the kind of pressure we've seen of boeing and lockheed martin. it does raise issues. the other piece we haven't talked about is the ethics issues that have not been addressed going into the hearings. >> we'll see all of that this week. that's all i have for today. if it's sunday it's "meet the press" and next sunday it better be packers-cowboys and big shout out to the viewer who sent this.

you'll always get love from me. we'll see you next week. very good sunday to you in new york city. welcome to the pulse of the america where your voice could be heard in real-time. here are the story wes want to get your pulse on on this day. first off, donald trump says the president-elect played a role in the hacking of the election. or first question of the day, is trump right to be skeptical of u.s. intelligence agencies. >> confirmation hearing are set to be held this week. some are facing