sentence, transrights in prison, that's a huge deal. that's not something trump can do overnight. >> there are people who are going to condemn and say there is no excuse for this. a lot manufacture reaction is going to be coming in. the breaking news, president obama on his way out of office offering a commutation to chelsea manning. that's going wrap up our coverage for this hour, but we continue with mtp daily, now. if it's tuesday, our new poll numbers, give us a hint of just how short the trump presidential honeymoon could be. >> tonight, what americans expect of a trump presiden and what do they think of the president-elect so far? we have our brand new nbc/wall street journal poll. health check, could accusations of insider trading, not just derail the president-elect's hhs secretary, but could it derail obama carrey placement?

and the closing of the show on earth tells us about where the country could be headed. >> we need that a little bit because we have to build up the image of our country. >> this is mtp daily and it starts right now. >> good evening, i'm chuck todd and welcome to inauguration week here in washington. this is mtp daily. we begin with our own breaking news which doesn't look pretty for the president-elect. we've got new numbers hot off the presses right now from our nbc/wall street journal poll. and they show a bit of a growing crisis of confidence in a president trump with just three day us until he takes the oath of office. folks, because of the split decision election, there was an asterisk next to trump's victory. and his job was to figure out if he could erase that asterisk or lighten the color by inauguration day. so far, he's made things worse. the trump transition approval

rating is now eight points underwater. 44%, 52% disapprove. the approval rating has fallen six points since we checked this last month. disapproval risen 11. put those in context, obama's transition has a 71% approval rating at this time. at 77%. we don't have comparable data for president george w. bush. shortened time frame that the point. but it does get worse, 30% expressed high levels that trump has the right set of goals and policy to be president. in fact, 70% are somewhat confident or not confident when it comes to that. more confidence in obama, even bush who was marred by the recount and clinton all as they took office. when you ask the public if they have confidence in trump's personal characters to be president. that 32 level of confidence is

another historically bad number for trump win compared to obama, bush, or clinton. and just 38% have a positive view of trump which is nearly 30 points below obama at this point. 12 points lower than bush and well below clinton in '93. folks, again and again, we've seen trump doubt some of his political fires with rocket fuel. he's still tweeting hits on civil rights legend congressman john lewis for attacking trump's legitimacy. we saw another tweet today actually on john lewis. here's his response today to the unflattering polls. we're obviously not the only one out today. others are as well. the same people who did the phony election poll and were so wrong are now doing approval rating polls. they are writinged just like before. trump has ignited feuds from everyone with the intel community to the captain hamilton. he's missed opportunities with a large chunk ofhe public to start building his presidency up a little bit. just 29% say they like trump personally and like his policy. 7% say they like him personally,

but don't like his policy, but then there's 17%, that's nearly one in five americans who dislike trump personally even though they like his policy. that 17% of the country, those folks should be solidly behind trump, but right now they're not, though they are behind his agenda. more people like the dog food than the person selling the dog food. how bad are these numbers? they don't match up historically, but are they survivable in the moment that we are in? let's go deeper with our pollsters. fred, democratic half of our polling -- of the polling team here. so, let me start with you. bill, i'll start with you as the lead republican on the poll, these numbers look bad. and yet both of you have said, yes, but, fill in the butt.

>> who do you want to control in the country and 37% said trump or republicans in congress. only 41% said democrats. despite all of this, the people are saying they're looking for republican policy direction. i think it's significant. we're down to 52% saying the country is in the wrong track. that's the best it's been in four years. despite all of this, there's confidence about the direction we're headed. >> you basically concurred with those conclusions. ench clearly on the numbers were good enough f him to win. not really going to win the electoral college. look, i think what donald trump is looking at here is that since the election, he didn't answer questions about his personal character. those are continuing documents in the presidency. our polls showed there are ways to improve his numbers. if he focuses on keeping jobs in

america. focuses on change into washington, that's the big x factor he has an opportunity. >> let's talk about the priorities. what do you want of the various things he had said, promises he made, overall prioritization list, number one keep jobs in the u.s., by the way, that was number one above republicans and among independents, then you had and the only of the issues at the top five for republicans, democrats, and number two, curving lobbyists influence, that was number two overall. not in the top five of republicans. the structure was number three fighting isis was number four. and then new tariffs on certain countries was number five overall. what's interesting here bill though is the top five among republicans were keeping jobs in the u.s., number two, naming a conservative justice, number three isis, number four and five some version of replacing and repealing obamacare. so it does seem as if republican goals and trump are aligned. >> yeah, i think the

president-elect had a powerful card to play when he's president. he gets to appoint the supreme court nominee. helping him combine the republicans -- >> there is -- you see a potential for a major split between that supergroup of voters. we tracked them all during the primary, but the nontrump republicans seem to to want come over. >> they agree on the supreme court, repealing and replacing obamacare. they agree with him on tax cuts. there are three powerful areas where the republicans are united. where they start separating is on the issue of immigration. >> here's the thing, there's not election for another year and a half. i think right now these numbers -- if i'm a republican legislator, i'm worried about these because i'm going to be up for reelection before donald trump is. >> right. >> and yes, these policies are popular with the republicans, but we also saw they're

polarizing with independents and democrats. >> i was just going to say about the only thing in common was the idea of keeping jobs in the u.s. that was the one thing that was uncommon. you have some republican interest in fighting isis was on there and republican interest in the replacement of obamacare as far as the independent interests. but, among democrats, there's nothing in here if you're a democrat that says, other than the infrastructure proposal, that's about the only proposal democratic voters seem to be into with trump. some personal likability that's the tough times. unlikable since announced if r president. now he's president of the united states and he can be president, what does that mean when the rubber hits the road presidentially, can he overcome that? >> i want to move to we had an

may maizing thing occur. for the first time to borrow a phrase from ghost busters, the lines have crossed and it was on the issue of obamacare. we track it with good idea, bad idea. for the first time since we've polled since this question, good idea, led obamacare for the very first time. bill, explain why that should or not put pressure on donald trump. oops, i'm not expressing my opinion, i'm not looking at it and may not be a program. 20 point increases every single member apart of the obama coalition. >> right, but guess what, that's not who's running congress, it's not the president-elect. the republican party is one repeal and replace. this poll says that one it closely divides our country

50/50, and two as a country, there is a powerful signal in this poll, you better replace it if you get rid of it. and with those rubrics in place, i think that's where we're headed from a policy perspective. >> and with the president and the republican congress saying that is their number one priority to have the numbers as you say cross lines, and our poll show #, 31% say they are or their family have been helped by obamacare. that's a lot of people. and it's harder in politics to take something away -- >> let me tell you, does this mean we're going have another midterm election over health care? this time with the shoe on the otr foot? >> some reasons we're doing health care since '94, i'm ready. we'll do it all over again. all right fred and bill. it's tough time to be pollsters out there. >> yes, it is. >> but we promise you, you need to go through data. it's interest dag that. thank you both, as we get our panel seat, and i want to run through a few other big highlights from our new nbc/wall street journal poll. we asked about russian hacking.

51% say the russian government interfered with the election. 36% say they didn't. among those who did say russia interfered, 36% of them believe it did impact the outcome. and among those who said and 26%. without russia's interference. there's big headlines on what you would call the obama legacy test as the president made a surprise visit to the last white house briefing with press secretary josh ernest today. the president is leaving with an approval rating at 56%, that is at it's highest since 2009. although bush and clinton left officers with roughly ten points higher, if you believe our pollsters in this new normal these days, 56 is the new 66, right? anyway, 54% said obama brought the right kind of change. only 30% said it was wrong. majority 55% described as one of the very best. not as good or worse than most.

and 53% see it better off than eight years. that's 42% say the country is worse off. that way 53%, 53%, i believe that's what obama got the first time he ran for president. bring in the panel. dan, you have a poll out, essentially very similar. all finding the same thing. the trump policy's more popular than trump himself. are these bad numbers or not? it seems like serve nervous about overinterpreting using the past as a measurement. >> the past is never a good marker for donald trump. you have to set aside what's happened in the past and say we begin fresh with him and if he's a different politician, he's going to be a different president.

the country is still divided and hasn't come together at all. there's no real evidence of that. he's going to have to deal with that. he has shown through most of the transition that that doesn't particularly concern him. he said some things at the beginning of his transition -- and i assume he'll say them again on friday about bringing the country together. but what struck me in both of the polls is the focus that people want him to be on if on jobs and the economy and fighting terrorism. those elements are the way he might be able to continue to build support cross the board. >> it's interesting matthew and jennifer, look, when this began, we had a countrythat wanted to help him erase the asterisk. ay. like the country did with that. you make a little outreach, people are going to be there. think about where we were the first three or four weeks after the election. you had major democrats saying, no, no, it was not only a legitimate election, she blew it. and then the conversation

shifted and there's a pattern here that i noticed. donald trump increased the amount of tweets over the last three weeks and numbers have gone down when he was more presidential, his numbers were starting to improve. matthew -- >> well trump is the counterpuncher prp and so i think the reason why the frequent sift tweets increased is the frequency of the attacks on him have increased. the way to deal with trump is not attack him personally, but maybe act against him if you want to do that. and i think you can see some foreign actors doing exactly that right now. as soon as you attack him personally, then he's going to counteratrack. i mean, it's kind of like the law of gravity that the point. i don't think there's ever been a honeymoon for this president. we saw that -- and you brought up hamilton earlier. that was within ten days of the election. >> i'm not saying -- >> but anything -- >> i have not tried either. >> no. >> and he's not going to try, he will never -- he will never let up. >> in fact, the only person he doesn't criticize is vladimir

putin which is another issue, but it is not only that he's counterpunching, but that he's overtly attacking. he goes after angela merkel, cheated him in the transition period. you if he, had goes looking for a fight because that's how he's always operated. and he has to make this fundamental shift that no one assures he can make or not going from a reality tv star, pugnacious fighter, always has somebody to throw a punch to. to a guy who has to do things. draw people together, and so far, the public isn't seeing that and that may be reflected on the poll in your opinion peoples have a different expectation about what a president sounds like and looks like and does. >> i don't think he has to. i mean, it's like dan points out, as you said earlier, the one uniform thing and all the polls were keeping jobs in the united states. and despite all of the day-to-day controversies and twitter fights and the things we get excited about, what has trump been doing every single day? meeting with the ceos who come

down from the elevator and say hey, we're bringing more jobs to the united states. >> is there somebody to be learned from bill clinton here? morally they didn't like his personal behavior, but they always excused because they felt he was performing in office. so there is a path to follow i guess. >> there is a pott to follow. i think that bill clinton and donald trump are so different that -- but your point is well taken. >> bill clinton yearned to be a 60%er president. i don't think donald trump yearns for that. there is that difference. >> but i do think that if donald trump can convince people that his focus is on keeping jobs in the united states, prince bli and keeping the country safe, then he will be -- then he has a opportunity to be more successful than these numbers suggest. on the other hand, he is so easily distracted, and there's no evidence that as president he's not going to get distracted. >> john mccain said something

earlier today, i don't to want play the whole sound. he wants to engage with every windmill he can find rather than focus on the most important issue on earth and obviously that doesn't help. that does fan flames with at least half the country. >> right. and he was a mity president to begin with. so that doesn't help. you know, it's an interesting thing. you would think that all of those elevator announcements would have boosted his approvals label the. because he is having the dog and pony shows. the reality is once he's going to get in office, it's going to be harder because unemployment is already 4.7%. it's going to get it lower than that. how is he really going to affect wages? which is another big issue. republicans look like they're at six and seven about health care right now. so it gets harder from here on out. this was the easy part when the show -- when the elevator shows work. >> quickly, what do you make of the health care numbers and granted it's more -- but it still shows there is pressure on them to get a replacement, right? >> it's going to be tough and

the initial republican instinct was to have a long delay between repeal and replace. who put an end to that? donald trump. as much as we like to criticize him, i think it's political instincts -- >> it's when he's probably there at the party. >> direction, he understands the lek tort better than republicans now. >> he may have a different problem on health care we're going to get to that later in the show. why do i feel like i'm having a tom dashle flakback. you'll stick around. as we count down to the inauguration, remember, count on msnbc for full coverage. coming up,ville cia director john brennan, he responded to donald trump's intel community attack, well, senate intel committee member joe manchin will join me to discuss how that feudmpacts the wld. stay tuned. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line.

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some news from the current presidential administration. president obama announced some partisan commutations including one for chelsea manning. commutation there.

the army intelligence analyst was convicted of handing over documents on american military and diplomatic activities to wikileaks. well, manning has completed nearly seven years of her 35 year prison sentence, but now set to be released this may. 2016 manning twice attempted to commit suicide while incarcerated at ft. leavenworth. the commutation brings new focus on julian assange. last week wikileaks tweeted if obama grants manning clemency. we'll wait to see if mr. assange will be coming into the air force somewhere any time soon. meanwhile the president also pardoned james cartwright, the former vice chair. he would have been convicted to lying to the fbi about conversations with reporters concerning a classified information case. well, he is now been pardoned. more mtp daily in just one minute. age.

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the battle between donald trump and u.s. intel agencies has intensified in the last 48 hours. with now sclooun weighing in. trump is still feuding with intel chiefs over claims found on an unverifiy eied dossier. it alleges that russian operatives have compromising information about the president-elect. trump denies there's any truth in any part of the dossier. it could be substantiated by media outlets. despite that, it was published by buzzfeed news. now john brennan said trump's focus needs to be on russia's threat to national security and not the intel community. >> i don't think he has a full appreciation of russian capabilities, russians intentions and actions that they are undertaking in many parts of the world. what he has to understand is this is more than being about m. and it's about the united states and national security. and he has to make sure thow that he's going to have the

opportunity to do something for national security as opposed to talking and tweeting. >> well, trump lashed out and questioned whether brennan was quote the leaker of fake news. last night, brennan pushed back. he refuted the idea that he leaked the document in an interview with the wall street journal. he wenten to say more, quote, it's when there are allegations about leaking or dishonesty or a lack of integrity. that's where i think the line has crossed. and he was pretty upset about that. and today vladimir putin added fuel to the fire. he says the obama administration is going further and is trying to undermine the legitimacy of trump's presidency. democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia sits on the senate intel committee and joins me now. senator manchin, let me ask you your assessment of john brennan and donald trump right now. >> well basically -- this is just something that's uncalled for to go back and forth on this.

i trust our intel community. can we get better, sure? do we make mistakes, i'm sure they are. intentionally? no, i trust them. national security is in their hands. for us to have the information accurately and promptly in order to take care and defend our country. now with that being said, i don't know mr. brennan that well. i've seen him and we've talked in different things. he's here before our committee. i just came in on intel, chuck. i think he's an honorable person. very sincere and very direct. so i would hope that we can move on. let's make sure that we're taking care of our country and securing it. he's moving. president-elect trump is bringing his people in. and i'm going to give them the same consideration. >> by the way, you've seen the unclassified portions of this assessment, and this is not -- stuff gets inflated, this has nothing to do with the dossier, the buzzfeed z business, all that stuff. on our intel community. do you have any doubt in your mind that russia interfered in the 2016 election?

>> i have no doubt in my mind that they intended to intervene and interfere with the 2016 election. did it make any difference in any votes and in the outcome? absolutely not. nothing show me that it did change. >> should that matter in our response? >> oh, absolutely should. >> sure, chuck, it should, basically, we've never seen this high level of intent and the amount of aggression they've had in order to try to be involved. and change the quality and the course of our politics and how we run this country. and how we elect our leaders. absolute we should be concerned and involved in that. and prohibit that and there should be sanctions. i believe all of those, but with that being said, donald trump won by 43% in west virginia. i'll guarantee you that didn't change a thing. they didn't change one vote in west virginia. >> so where should we go from here? donald trump has said that he may actually pull back on sanctions. he'd be willing to give up -- and certainly i know there is an of a tied to do more sanctions in the senate, he doesn't sound

like he has that appetite. how do you convince him that even if he doesn't, that that may send the wrong message? >> i think, you know -- only thing i'm hoping is when he becomes -- right now, he's getting hit from all different sides. he hasn't taken the oath of office yet. so with that being said, he's put good people around him. they seem to contradict, he seems to listen to them. maybe together they can have a plan and formulate a pathway forward. i'm hopeful. as far as sanctions, we should have sanctions if you're going to hack, the united states of america, and that's illegal, and we know it's state-sponsored, then this is the sanctions you're going to face. that's common sense to me. we're not just picking on one or pointing out one, when they do it, state sponsored and we know it and believe our intel community that we're receiving information. then we should go after him and basically the sanctions should be enforced. >> and do you think -- it sounded like you think there should be like hey, if you do

this, this is the minimum. it's like a mandatory minimum. >> country x and if you do it, country y, you're getting the same treatment. >> you don't pass go and get a free pass, that's for sure, chuck. >> let me ask you about john lewis's comments and donald trump's response to it. it feels like it same question i just asked you with john brennan. >> yeah, i know. you know first of all, john lewis is an icon. we all love him. one of the most gracious human beings i've ever met, with that being said, that was uncalled for. i wish john wouldn't have said that. we have no intel moving in that direction, no reports, we've got anything such as that happened to say he's illegitimate. that's not the case. i don't believe that. i believe he's our legitimate elected president and i'm going to work to make our country strong. with that, i didn't care for the response back. from president-elect trump either, but this back and forth, it's counterproductive, chuck, we don't need it.

>> we seem to be in this sort of -- >> we are. >> this weird situation and you do, and i understand the passion on both sides. one side feels they're attacked. they should speak out. one feels they should speak out and respond. but i guess all of it goes to this, don't presidents have to be further above the fray than non-presidents? >> well, that's what you want. that's what you expect. that's what we've seen. president-elect donald trump got elected in a different direction, different venue than anything i've ever seen in my life and i'm sure that you're a real study on all of this. you know, wasn't from the republicans, it really wasn't from democrats, he was fighting everybody. so he's going a different pathway. we have to accept at got elected. and it showed how mad people are around the country and in west virginia. i don't think anyone ever, ever expected the people to retaliate the way they did and show washington, you better change, if not we're going to change it. so basically, he's been elected

as to change artist and we're going to see what happens. but you no what, he's our elected president. and i wish my democrat friends would get over it. i wish the republicans would work with us. and let's put the country first. that's what the people have aid sat the polls, i can tell you this, chuck. that's what they want done here. i'm willing to work with him. i just want people to work in the middle. we've got to put our country first. it's not a red state and a blue state anymore. it's a red, white, and blue. >> very quickly, you're on intel -- >> yep. >> the decision by president obama to commute chelsea manning's sentence, it's not a full pardon, it is shortening of the sentence. your reaction and how do you think the intel community will react? >> i think it's dead wrong. absolutely dead wrong. this is treason. espionage at the highest level. what the private manning done, what chelsea did is absolutely found guilty, 35 year sentence. should full out that sentence. should basically serve that sentence out. we're going to give a green light to people basically with

all the hacking going on now and the cyber attacks we've got going on. my goodness, snowden out there and assange, you have all these people, it's just wrong. we're not going -- i'm for one, not going to be supportive of these types of commutes whatsoever or pardons. i think they're wrong. >> all right. senator joe manchin, democrat from west virginia. as always, appreciate having you on. >> good to be with you. >> and i appreciate your optimism. >> hey, you're coming back to west virginia too? >> you know it. i'll be there. >> we're going to the mine. >> sorry my hurricanes beat your mountaineers. good football game. >> it was. still ahead, did tom price the new tom dashle? why trump's pick for hhs secretary is in hot water before he gets his day on the hill. stay tuned.

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right now on capitol hill, the confirmation hearing for donald trump's pick to be education secretary. that is now under way. we'll keep an eye on that hearing. and we will share anything that we think you should know. up next, the big question though when it comes to the confirmation process may now be hhs secretary tom price. the nominee. he faces new controversy up ahead. first, here's the cnbc market wrap. >> thank you, chuck. stocks beginning the week lower. dow sinking 59 point, nasdaq u off 35 points. high end jeweler tiffany says

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and we are back, week two of the confirmation process is upon us. president-elect trump's for s secretary, georgia congresan tom price finds himself in some potentially serious hot water. price will face questions from senators tomorrow ahead of his confirmation hearing that we testifying tomorrow in front of the committee that deals with health care-related issues and democrats are calling for that hearing to be postponed after multiple news reports. first from cnn and also from kizer health news. they highlight investments price made in medical device and biotech companies. while at the same time working on legislation that benefitted those companies.

now the transition is defending their nominee saying that price did not purchase the stock himself. it was bought by a broker without his input. democrats are arguing the investments could violate the law. folks, this is reminding me of the last time we had an hhs nominee and was in hot water, president obama's first pick to lead hhs and the entire health care initiative. in 2009, former south dakota senator and former senate majority at the time tom daschle. he had to withdraw after reports that he failed to pay taxes on a car service. and after questions about work that some had considered to be lobbying. that was the first blow in president obama's long push to achieve health care reform. forcing him to expel political capitol he could have used elsewhere. and if this thing price could be a casualty in the long road ahead to replacing obamacare. let me bring back in the panel. this one feels like, you know, it's funny, everybody's wondering, is it tillerson, history says everybody loses one. >> right.

>> and suddenly one of all the ones, if you're trump, losing hhs and tom price would be a big one. >> i think chuck schumer would like to defeat this one for the reasons you spell out, it would be a blow to obamacare. he's not the one that worries me. i think he has a lot of good relationships with republicans. he has a story. and his defense. i don't see this turning the republicans against tom price. though if this continues to build up. >> and his appearance on 60 minutes years ago that led to the stock act that was supposed to deal with the problem. >> he was running against this type of action, right? the idea that these insiders make money off of their access. that's what this smells and feels like, and yet, it's this

point. >> exactly. and the democrats by raising the issues, whether they think they can get him or not, are making trump defend this guy. and that stheng going to be a problem for him politically and if they do kind of slow down the wheels of obama carrey placement, that's their greatest dream come true, of course. what is trump going to say? the facts are going to have to play out and maybe he does have a good factual defense. if he doesn't, this is not someone who trump has a personal relationship with. trump thinks he's got all the answers, i could see him letting this guy twist in the wind. >> i go back to daschle. look, it changed the entire capitol hill strategy for the obama white house. they no longer had an insider to manage warren hatch, chuck grassley. those republicans that may or may not have worked with him. price in some ways is the supposed to be the insider guy to help maneuver this and get this through. if he's gone, that's a big hole. >> it is a big hole. the other element of this is frankly donald trump and what he says and does or what signals he continues to send out what to do on health care.

i mean,hat he's done this week already in a sense has blown up what a the love people thought might be the strategy for getting -- >> might be the price plan. doesn't look anything like price's plan. >> nothing. >> that's what i'm saying. we don't know exactly what role price will play if he becomes hhs secretary, if donald trump is undermining him and everybody else in the republican party on the way to go about that. >> there was an assumption that a lot of these cabinet secretaries have a great deal of leeway, but i think as we're getting closer to the reality of the trump presidency, that assumption might be flawed. in fact, will continue to be the white house that has the center of power -- >> look what he's done -- it's funny, look at this weekend. he undercut price on hark. >> yes. >> never mind what he said about nato. which is undercuts both mattis and tillerson. >> exactly. i think what you're going to have, you're exactly right. is a lot of cabinet people who are pretty much in the mainstream of republican thought, even tillerson who doesn't have a lot of experience, then you have donald trump constantly undercutting them. in a tweet, he can e vis rate

anything that any of these guys said. he basically said, health care for everyone. you can just see the slit appearing on the bro of people like paul ryan. he's going to cover everybody whose been covered. covered or access. what does this mean? he is setting an expectation bar really high that democrats will use against republicans. >> that's what i can't quite figure out. is he going against house republicans o not? rhetorically he is. >> rhetorically he is, but i think chuck, i mean, the precision with which he speaks about these issues as we know over a long period of time. there isn't a lot of precision to it. >> it's like a fire hoes without anybody holding it. >> it goes everywhere. >> and people take a lot of that literally. but he could say it in a different way, week, two weeks, or a month, and the republicans will say okay fine, we're back to where we were. he discombobulates people, that doesn't mean we know exactly what he meant when he said everybody should be covered. >> i still wonder, i go back,

you seem to say two things at the same time when it came to price. i don't think he's vulnerable. on the other hand, you brought up peter's book. which did have an impact. >> go back to the nbc poll we started the show with. right after keeping the job in the u.s. the second most favored agenda item was drain the swamp. and i think that's extremely important to trump's constituency. i think trump knows that. and i think that's why i remember he connected newt gingrich last -- at the end of last year when newt said drain the swamp is over. and of course president-elect trump said no it isn't. because, so anything that interferes with that goal, i think trump and his team will have a very low threshold. >> so now you're back to thinking price might be vulnerable. >> it fends on the facts. i don't think anyone is clear on the facts and also whether any republicans get scared of what the news might reveal in the coming days. >> let me pause it here. you are sticking around.

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have. >> i might -- tomorrow president obama says good-bye as president for the tifinal time. "for the record" with greta starts right now. this is breaking news just a short time ago, president obama commuted all the remaining prison sentence of chelsea manning. also breaking james cartwright convicted for making false statement during a probe of leaks. attorney for chelsea and works for aciu, chase, do you know where the president has done this? >> thanks for having me. we are ju