about malice towards war. >> this was planned long before that. i got to end it there. the computer's going to cut us off. see you monday at 6:00 p.m. eastern. a special edition of "hardball" with cripples starts now. size matters. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. huge crowds and millions of people took to the streets in marches that organizers were to send a message to you. the main rally was in donald trump's new town, washington, d.c. up to a half million people flooded the downtown streets blocks from the white house. it was build as the women's

march in washington. they came from around the country in the early hours of this morning. they shattered all previous estimates from the organizers's estimates. in new york an estimated hundred thousand people marched past trump tower on the ad avenue. large rallies were also held today in atlanta, philadelphia, and boston. in los angeles, the police department said it was the biggest crowd since an immigration march back in 2006 drew a half million people. marches were held overseas as well. london saw a crowd of 100,000. let's begin with morgan rad ford in "new york times" where protests are still in the street. morgan, i hear the strangest story about the march. there's barely enough people to get in the street and stand. >> too many, chris.

exactly. for those familiar with new york, this was intended to be on lexington avenue. someone on the intercom just said you've made it to the end. there are people who've been marching out here for hours. why was it so important for you to march today. >> he's completely missing important issues especially feminism. everything east doing is completely facist. i'm from california. we are doing this everywhere. >> and you're right. we're hearing this happen everywhere. in fact this is one of an estimated 317 sister marches that have been popping up in all 50 states. we were here when it was dark outside, and it's dark again almost 12 hours later. people have been trickling in since 7:30. some are saying my president is

still black. you can see police officers here shooing people away. that one has been interesting. >> there have been lots of men, children, and generations of women. i spoke to one woman who is a grandmother. she brought her daughter and grandchildren here. we're seeing posters that read facist or putin's be on. critics say donald trump has been elected president of the united states, why are they still taking to the streets, they say it's because the people who feel mortgage liesed that we are still with them. >> jake is down in washington, d.c. here with us. jake, it's quiet. those people are not still there like they are in new york.

go ahead. >> no, no. there were so many people today. hundreds of thousands of them. what you're seeing here as the marchers left the capitol, they left thousands of signs. this is just near the white house. you just go down the street and the white house is there. there are signs in front of that area and taufr mall. it's a symbol you might say of their belief that this is a movement that's just beginning. you can tell from what's written on the signs that each person has his or her reason for being here. we met so many people from colorado or so many other states. and they felt so inspired they said that so many others felt strong enough about the cause to make the journey to miss school, to miss work, to come here, and to march. now they're going back home, to school, to work. they say they have been so inspired that they will now move on and go talk to their local

officials. they'll try to keep what they believe is a very important movement going. that was the message that i took away from talking to them and their signs. >> tigt feeling people there today were like my wife and relatives were there because they're voters. they're not anarchists like yesterday, the rock throwers. >> what a difference it was from yesterday. all day we were looking for that. we were looking out for any trouble but there was none to be seen. yesterday as you know, 217 people were arrested, and many of them as we were caught in the middle of that protest, we saw them, their purpose was to cause trouble and violence. this was so much different. anybody could tell who was watching, chris.

>> thanks. great feeling today. great family welcoming events today. thank you so much, jake. a special treat for us, academy award winning actor cher was at the march today. sher, my deer, it's an honor. >> hey, chris. >> tell me what you did today. >> i didn't get on stage, but i talked to the crowd. actually, it was nice. it was interesting because usually i'm up on stage. but i talked to the crowd and i shook hands and i took pictures. and i really enjoyed myself. i talked to a million people backstage and kids behind the barricades. and it was great. it was different than new york because i kind of got into the crowd and was seeing it and hearing it from their perspective. >> what do you think the

people -- i know they're disappointed in election results and the inaugural yesterday. what do you think their hopeful for or do they have no hope? how would you describe the crowd today? >> no, no, no. not at all. also, you'd be disappointed if mitt romney won, you know. that would be a disappointment. it would last a few days and you would go, i will just get through it. but trump is a different thing altogether, you know. he is just something that, well, you see people from all over the world, not just americans, the people from all over the world. they don't like him, they don't trust him, they don't feel that he's qualified. and they don't think he's a good person. i know his supporters do and i don't blame them. i actually support his people because they feel uncared for,

unthought of, you know, disenfranchised. and somehow by some sort of miracle, they look at hill, and each one individually thinks he will fix their problem. >> yeah. i think you're right. let me ask you. what do you think looking forward to those wonderful people around you today, the half million people in d.c., and three million around the world, where do they go next? what can be done after you show up far rally like this? >> we've organized so many different places that you can go. and you can -- whatever amount of time you have and how you feel and what you're able to do, you can go on these sites and there are many options. i don't think these women are giving up because they were having a blast and there was like no crying, no whining. his supports always call us

whiners and criers, well, we're going to kick their ass. >> that's a good word. i have you and barbra streisand. cher, you're great. thank you. now we've got somebody else a different kind of person, a different kind of public figure, film maker michael moore joins us today. he spoke at the rally today. he's at the great amtrak headed to new york. michael, thank you. give us the rallying call today. you're following her? she's opening for you. tell me about what you think you got accomplished today and what you think is the direction -- you predicted trump would win and now he has. he won the electoral college. he lost the popular vote by three million. there he is, the president of the united states right now. >> right.

there's another seven million who were green or libertarian. what did today accomplish? i would say the largest demonstration i've seen in washington, d.c. there's five hundred thousand in l.a., 200,000 in colorado. unbelievable. this is such a huge outpouring of citizens who are going to be very, very active citizens and voters in the coming months and years. >> how do you get people. you mentioned today that you want people to get out there and run for office on the progressive side of things. how do you get people to do that? how do you get them to making the first step of getting their name on the ballot?

obama says get on the clip board. >> i got elected on the school board at 18 and found out all i needed was 20 signatures. i knew 20 stoners who would sign everything. i just put the clip board in front of them and they signed their name. and then i was elected to the board of ex. it is often that easy. because so few people want to be in public office, there really isn't much competition. a lot of ballot spaces go empty, and i asked everybody in the crowd today to raid their hand if they would on monday morning go down to the city or county clerk and get a petition to run for anything from whether it was state representative, county commission, school boarder, or even precinct delegate, which literally requires no work. i saw at least 100,000 hands go

up of people who said they were going to run for office. believe you me, we're going to interview them in a few years, you or i, and they will say they got the idea standing there with all these pink hats. >> that is the work of the good people. people have been sitting too long in safe seats and it shows. >> my nbc show tv nation, i ran ai a ficus plant. we returned 95% of our members of congress, the incumbents win constantly. in the soviet union it was 91%. they returned fewer incumbents. this has to change. if this is a democracy, we have to get off the bench and start acting like it. >> when i was 28 i ran against

the democrat machine. i'm glad i did it. i didn't win, but i scared a few people. >> you would have won if you had gotten a haircut, chris. >> thank you, michael moore. you would lose your personality. you would be like samson losing that hair. >> two experts here. today's rally, impact statement. ia mish? did it shake things loose? >> it will, by shake things loose it will inspire people to do more than just march. i talked to one woman who cried when hillary lost. but hearing michael moore giving her something specific to do, that inspired her. she said i could at least take

these specific actions. i talked to people across the mall saying this is just the beginning. i talked to people that were there with three, four generations of their family, i'm here with my eight-year-old, if you don't win, don't cry. take to the streets. i think it was positive because people had two months to cry and weep and mourn. and then when you see the person that you feel is attacking your community inaugurated as the president, you can't sit there in grief because he's signing executive orders rolling back the affordable care act. they don't have time anymore to weep and do that. they want to actually make a difference. >> i wonder if this isn't a warm-up when you start seeing the turning of the screw. i think the republican leadership is going to be scarier than trump because

they're going to be getting rid of obamacare. when they turn that screw from the right, people will show up in the streets. >> one of the things is going to be who is paying attention to this. president trump and his new administration seem to be, what marchers? i just want to say one thing. i think part of the good feeling among if marchers, i was not there, but my 82-year-old mom was there. >> we have a picture of your mom? >> i'm not going to show it. my 20-year-old daughter was there with a flock of her friends from penn. there was something to that girl power especially after so many women were disappointed not seeing the first woman elected.

i think it did really contribute to the good feeling there. >> there were a lot of men there today. i saw a lot of pictures. >> i talked to a lot of men. one of them was there with his daughter. he said i'm here to show my daughter that women's rights are human rights and that if she has an opinion, she deserves to be heard. also as a construction worker, she's surrounded by men and i want her to know she should get equal pay like them. they were in a supportive role. this wasn't men saying i'm here and i also have these issues. i'm here to let women know that we know we need to support them. that was the different feeling i didn't hear any man-sphaining. >> i think trufrp is very

sensitive. >> that was an amazing performance, i thought by the new press secretary. sensitive is a very mild description of what was going on there. >> thank you. there was a very positive feeling in this town today. militant, but positive. coming up, more on the historic demonstrations around the world today. there's a pretty one today, where else by the eiffel tower. this is a special edition of "hardball," where the action is. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!!

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welcome back to "hardball." if in his first full day in office, donald trump visited the central intelligence agency in languagely. he also went after the media for

what he's calling false reporting on crowd size. >> we had a massive field of people. you saw that. packed. i get up this morning, i turn on one of the networks, and they show an empty field. i said, wait a minute, i made a speech. i looked out. the field was -- it looked like a million, million and a half people. they showed a field where there were practically nobody standing there. they said donald trump didn't draw well. i said it was almost raining, but god looked down and said we're not going to let it rain on your speech. it looked like a million and a half people. whatever it was, it was. but it went back to the washington monument. >> later in the day his press secretary sean spicer continued that attack. >> photographs of the inaugural proceedings were intentionally framed in a way in one particular tweet to minimize the

enormous support that had gathered on the national mall. no one had numbers because the national park service which controls the national mall does not put any out. by the way, this applies to any attempts to try to count the number of protests today in the sac same fashion. we know the numbers of the d.c. metro transit yesterday, which compares to obama's last inaugural. this was the largest audience to witness an inauguration period, both in person and around the globe. these attempts to lesson the enthusiasm of the inauguration are shameful and wrong. >> wow. nbc's kelly o dowd joins us now. i've never seen a press secretary come in to the room and criticize like he's the editor back at the desk somewhere at the city room. go ahead. >> there's always an adversarial

relationship. we expect that. there's give or take with press secretaries past and present. this was amblped up. and what was also notable about president trump's remarks is he made those rockers, not just about the cia and his support for the intelligence community, but he need into this more media assessment political commentary in front of the wall that bears the stars, each of those stars marks a life lost in the service of the cia. and that is typically a place where political speech is not done. so there's that issue. and then you have sean spicer the press secretary who did not take questions after he litigated the facts as they see them and gave us specific reference points. there are things that he said that do bear repeating. the national park service does not provide a crowd count and hasn't for the last 20 or so years. crowd counts are difficult to do. people do satellite imagery. there's a real sense that they

are feeling that it isn't just a difference of opinion, but that it's an intelligence minimizing of their inauguration celebration. and that sets a tone of a real coming together in a much more heated way. they also told us that the trump administration thinks this is a twoway street. if you're going to criticize him, his tweets, his statements, then they are going to go through media reports and media commentary and hold the community of reporters and commentators accountable as well. i think this is just the first of one of these kinds of exchanges. >> i get the feeling sean is like a babysit with a surveillance camera on and trump was watching and was being every bit as militant.

thank you, kelly o'donnell. >> good to be with you. sean spicer rebuked what the media was writing. >> i also note it's a shame the cia didn't have a cia director to be with him today when he visited because the senate democrats are stalling the nomination of mike pompeo and playing politics with national security. that's what you guys should be writing and covering, that this instead of sewing division about tweets and false narratives. i'm here to tell you that it goes two ways. we're going to hold the press accountable as well. >> those will be fascinating press blessings. what do you have there? >> chris, i thought you would love this. >> i just see white spaces, you look like somebody who's out

skiing. >> they're glasses that say a woman's place is in your face. these were in the march. i just wanted to show you. i'll take them off now. now you can have me. hello, sir. >> i do know a publics -- politician -- starting the day off my mocking the people who have come in to be briefed. >> also, he seemed so stilted with it. he's reading it, it's not coming from him. we've watched press secretaries, democrats, republicans, who are really comfortable talking about if they want to take on the press as a thing. it doesn't feel like it's even his own words. he's looking down. you're right. he feels terrified he's going to say the wrong thing. >> i think he's being watched closely. i think trump wants him to be as beefy as trump is. you were out at the ravel today. what i liked about the rally

today is it wasn't like storn throwing like the anarchists yesterday. i hear good reports about the cops in both new york and philadelphia. they did their jobs and didn't go chasing or beating up anybody. my wife was down there, my sister-in-law, nieces were down there today. a lot of people i work with, gene robinson's people were down there. the number of people who are not normally protesters who were now today and made a point. >> i was in the new york march, chris. the place that we started to march, we literally -- it took us two hours and 15 minutes to get from 47th street up to trump tower because it was 300,000 people. they expected 100,000. the signs were thoughtful. people were in the march,

demanding quality, demanding equal rights, and telling donald trump that the things they heard and the things they believed held do are not going to silt well with women. people just laid down the sand. there was also, you know, not just marches, but my organization, lady parts justice league, we had an activist fair. people could pop in a hotel ballroom. this wasn't just a whole bunch of people marching, it was what's next? >> signing up. down in washington i saw a bumper of young women near the american university near our station here, our headquarters. they were wearing these little hats. >> yes, >> i can't use the word. >> the kitty hat. >> that's nice. that's great.

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i know maybe sometimes you haven't gotten the backing that you've wanted. and you're going to get so much backing. maybe you're going to say please don't give us so much backing. i have a running war with the media. they are some of the most dishonest human beings on earth. they made it sound like i had a feud with the intelligence community. and i just want to let you know, the reason you're the number one stop is exactly the opposite. >> welcome back to "hardball." today president trump, get used to that, gave a speech to members. central intelligence agency. he said he never feud the with the cia, blame the media for giving that impression. robert costa for the "washington

post" and nbc contributor, and leon pa net at a. trump went over there because of all the b.s. and shadow boxing with the intelligence people, he knows right now he needs them. >> and the people on capitol hill know that as well. this is the an ally trying to keep those relationships alive. understanding they can't have a war with the intelligence community even though they just had one a few weeks ago. he's president now. >> why does he keep holding up the press like stooges? like they also have to have a bourgeois business guy they have to hold up? he clearly loves it. >> every hero needs an anti-hero. when he was standing there with the cia, he was looking across

the lobby with the agency motto, from john chapter 8. and usuyou shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. >> what about that line? some of the people on the left that i talked to today, not only left, but critics of trump saying wait a minute, didn't he run against the iraq war and is he running a new one? >> he said we might have a second chance. >> what does that mean? >> he's saying we might have an opportunity to go back. >> chase ago eliminating isis? >> that would be an excuse to start a war. >> of course. >> it makes the job of intelligence officers really hard. if you're sending them out there to say take down isis and they have to recruit people to work for them as assets and spies, and they're saying, hey, your president is saying hey, you

started isis, we're not going to help you out. >> he also said we're going to skin you alive, and then we'll take your wealth from you. why would anybody fight on our side if they knew the wealth of iraq would be stolen? why would he say such a thing? >> how does he handle the islamic state? does that mean air strikes or working with russia? all these questions are floating over the white house. >> doesn't think getting rid of islamic terrorists is like saying abracadabra? >> how he goes after them knowing he doesn't have the hawkish instincts as other presidents, this is going to be the test. he's already signaled perhaps he'll work with them.

>> he seems like he doesn't despise you. >> i've been reporting on him for a long time. >> when he comes to interview, how does -- he just ignores the rhetoric? >> i talked to him about health care. he said he had a replacement plan but no details. he said he wants to work with congress and set the tone. i think it's going to be the story for the next four years. we have a president that makes a lot of statements who doesn't always back them up with full policy details. >> why do you think he skipped health care yesterday. he ran against obamacare, never mentioned it in his inaugural. >> i think that speech was deeply shaped by ban nonand steven miller, his speech wire. they wanted it to be a punch in the mouth. i spoke to ban nonat the capitol.

>> why did he reference america first? >> the folks at the cia are more in their outlook like state department people. they are globalists. this went over like a lead balloon out there. in the first year of the boelgs, we lost seven cia as far as on december 30th, 2009. those seven were out based in eastern afghanistan trying to recruit an asset to penetrate

the inner core of al qaeda. we may be tested again, we may lose intelligence officers. he's going to have to have a good relationship. >> who's going to be the voice of this administration? of course trump's the president, and he is the voice. but you have general mads there, pompeo with the cia. senator coach from indiana. are those people going to be around trump on the key decisions? help him bring a better direction. trump's twitter has always b ban -- been reactive. >> jeremy bash, thank you. up next, after hundreds of thousands of people rallied across america today and around the world, where does the movement go from here? what's step two? step one was gushingly

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folks would come up to me and they'd say, kamala, talk to us about women's issues. i'd say, great, let's talk about the economy because that's a women's issue. you hadn't to talk about women's's issues, let's talk about national security. you want to talk about women's issues, that's fantastic. let's talk about health care. let's talk about education. let's talk about criminal justice reform. let's talk about climate change. >> welcome back to "hardball." that's senator kamala harris. the march was aimed at sending a message, guess what, to the new

president of the united states. but the different speakers were any indication, people had a lot of different reasons for showing up. she came as an undocumented immigrant. a what will you remember from today. >> i will remember the stark contrast from yesterday to today. we had an inauguration that looked like a sea of white. and today was a sea of pink. and so that was fascinating to see. it was a unity in the diversity. a lot of interests. everything coming under the umbrella of women. it was health care, standing up for equal pay, standing up for voting rights, access. it was a group united by their

ideology, issue pf based and less about identical politics that people have been complaining about so much. also the variety of ages, folks who haven't protests since vietnam who now felt compelled in this moment in time to come back out, and people bringing their children with them. children participating and the positive energetic. after a day that was quite gloomy for many in america, today was a day truly filled with hope. >> great report. >> i would say above anything i would remember how i felt, and i would feel 100% fearless. when you looked at the sea of women across all the different streets, you just sensed a feeling of we're not giving in, we're not going down quiet, we're going to get in the way, and we're not going to apologetic about it. across the world there's all these different marches happening, and people are standing up.

for me when i woke up november 9th i felt angry and frustrated. and now i'm challenging myself into saying i'm going to step up and run for office because i'm going to channel that frustration into fearlessness. i'm talking about the day after the election. >> i thought you slept for four days. you took it hard. >> no. i think this is our moment. there's over 4,500 women. >> when are you going to run? >> i'm running now, chris. >> i have great hopes. tell me about the fact you didn't show up today. why weren't you in the crowd. >> i was busy. i was on nbc for most of the day

talking about the importance of this march. look, 24 hours ago i felt really down in the dumps after listening to the inauguration speech by donald trump and president obama leaving. we both worked on the campaigns and the administration. it felt really, really low. what we saw today was donald trump may have the bully pulpit, but the people have the movement. and i think this today was the most important day thus far in 2017 because a movement was started. it was peaceful. it was nonviolent. it was in seven continents. we were getting support not just from the 600 cities across the country of folks who were marching, but outside, around the world. >> you think trump cared about those stone throwers? >> people came out for the first

time who have never protested before. >> your description being there reminds me when i went to the march at the pentagon in 1967. it was young mothers with carriages. it was family welcoming. >> yeah. it was amazing to see so many incredible a complete diverse group of people show up represent and not be afraid and really just tell donald trump that we're here. >> what she was mentioning about this being a movement. this was not just a protest for the day. this is going to be to translate. >> explain that. why is it important within a year, next year we have a campaign for u.s. congress and the arguments will begin in the spring. there will be big debates about how trump's doing. >> this is going to be the moment of judging the donald

trump presidency in this next election. aechld congress that will rubber stamp everything he's doing. that will really be the judgment when people can go to the polls saying they want to send someone in congress who's going to represent their views. it really was today a missed opportunity for the new president. >> who are you going to end up hating more? they are refusing donald trump's call for infrastructure spending. they're going to say wait a minute, trump looks better than they do. >> the question i have too is when are the republicans going to say no way, no how, trump we're done with you because of the way he's starting out with this presidency? he's in the 30s. >> he might be brighter than

they are on some issues. >> how they fall as the russia information begins to spill out. if you want investigations into information continues to fill out, which it will, as it becominbecom becomes more public. right now it doesn't seem that the republicans are going to go -- >> sorry. >> do you think he can get impeached for what happened before? >> no -- we had sentence investigations. >> do you think -- >> an investigation -- >> should he be impeached for something he did before becoming president? >> i think the connections he has made and the concerns about the involvement in russia in electoral politics and the compromise situation, he has several of his friends who have been in who have strong implications for national security. and we need to -- >> could he be impeached for those? >> i don't know, but i would

like to see congress to at least investigate. >> they are going to keep their own guy. >> 2018, change the make-up of congress. >> and we need people to run. >> impeach the campaign, yesterday was pretty impressing. >> today was not a day of carnage, it was a day of people coming together. >> there was no joy. >> besides being so down about it, this is an opportunity for people to mobilize and organize. it doesn't start in 2018. it starts now. >> and i think people like yourself should run. >> i ran when i was 28, the round table is with us, this is "hardball" where the action is. my insurance rates are probably gonna double. but dad, you've got... ...allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident.

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we're back with corinne jean-pierre, where is the women's movement headed? >> we heard a great call to action today. we were out in the mall. and that was to enter office and public service. and for women who were running, i flip it also as women in leadership. so particularly in business and every aspect in life, everything outside of the house is public service and facing. and if we learned anything at the election, it is all at the local election, and things need to happen. >> i could imagine -- so you

know, i just ride the coattail, look, if we learned anything from the tea party was that they were not apologizing about making sure that their people got into office. and it was the local level and state level and right here in washington, d.c. and i think that if there is one lesson to be learned that is it. is making sure we are represented. >> yeah, and they wagged the dog, too, john boehner was wagging the tail to keep those people happy. >> what is it going to cost you? >> it's going to cost you a lot of money, to fundraise, it's a special election. >> it's a fortune -- >> that is part of the problem too is women also need to fundraise. >> ahead, this special edition of "hardball" continues, stay with us. you can play "hardball" all week long on line, follow the show on twitter and instagram and like us on facebook. and we'll have information as we

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