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often making it difficult to find housing or a job. tanya salmon is a friend and has had her own difficulties on broadway. >> we are on the same page. yeah, it's going to hurt, yeah, shaes goi she's going to cry, she can't shut herself out like this or it's going to make it worse. she closes herself out right
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now, i'm scared of what is going to happen to her. >> coming up. >> she had to be forced into handcuffs, and once i was walking her out of the cell door. >> jail officials put vegas walker on suicide watch, and. >> pretty soon his face, and like a firecracker, all it took was a fuse to get lit. >> and an argument leads to a beating, an arrest, and the victim changing her account of chamd. o the bathroom? great. any insurance-related questions? -mm-hmm. -do you have a girlfriend? uh, i'm actually focusing on my career right now, saving people nearly $600 when they switch, so... where's your belly button? [ sighs ] i've got to start booking better gigs.
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housed at the cedric county jail in wichita, a little over half are white males. there is no racial segregation in any of the housing units. but if jason gaillard had his way, that policy would change. he displays his looks on his skin. >> i know the looks i get, i'm displayed as a racist or whatever, i get the look and i don't carry -- care i love it. >> i'm not a supremacist, i'm a separatist, meaning we should stick with our own race. >> inmates of other races understand. >> you go with your own people like animals go with their own species. it's the natural order of
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things. tattoos on bodies, everybody is tatted now. to me i look at him, like, he bought more tattoos than the last person, that's how i look at it. >> that's his personal issue, as long as he takes his believes or whatever out on me as my skin color, then i don't have a problem with it. >> as long as it don't harm the next person, it's cool. >> i'm not as extreme as i was. i'm proud of who i am. that's never going to change. and if i see one of my own getting beat up, then i'm going to go to his aid. you know, that's never going to change. that is just who i am. >> you've got to realize that prison has been set, the mentality has been set for years and years and years and years. you know what i'm saying? he got to do what he got to do to survive, and i've got to do what i've got to do to survive. >> gaillard said he has served time as a juvenile. spent two years in a texas state prison and recently completed 12 years in a kansas state prison,
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for crimes, including theft, forgery, roberbery and aggravat battery. he says he grew nmore violent behind bars. >> as soon as you go to prison, you've got to fight blacks, mexicans and one of your own. usually if you don't fight, then or if you fold up, then whoever folds you up, you basically belong to them. >> despite it all, gaillard says sometimes he prefers prison life. >> you ain't got to pay bill, all the issues, i love women, don't get me wrong, but in here you don't got to deal with no women issues, man, and that is my biggest thing, i did all them years without having a relationship with a woman. and i mean, you know, i missed being with a woman, don't get me wrong. but as far as being with a woman, the relationship as expect, the fighting, i didn't miss that. and it just seems like that is always -- i ended up with a
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chick, we always went at it all the time. >> and that is exactly why gailla are. he's now eight awaiting charges. he has pled not guilty, but admits to the physical confrontation with his girlfriend that led to his arrest. it started with accusations of cheating. s >> who is she messing with? pretty soon we was in each other's face, all it took was a fuse to get lit. and i put my hands on her. >> judy simora was left with two black eyes and other bruises. >> i ain't proud of that, but it happened. i ain't never done it before. first time i ever struck a woman. >> simora has also reported that gaillard held a knife to her throat, which has resulted in the most serious charge. aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. he could face up to 50 years in
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prison if found guilty. but he says now it's less of a concern because simora has recanted the knife claim. >> she said hey, this never happened. i lied about it. that's why i made my recant. you know, she admitted that she lied about it. so any jury is not going to find me guilty from her saying, i lied about it. they can't find you guilty. >> coming up. >> gaillard. >> his victim pays him a visit. >> i didn't real --
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inside wichita's cedric county jail, vegas walker recently pled guilty to aggravated battery with intent to cause great bodily harm. she stabbed a man. but says it was in self-defense. and as her sentencing draws nearer, she's been struggling. >> she got into an altercation, argument with an inmate and so we diffused them and we moved them both. >> she was transferred from her lower security dorm-like unit
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into pod 22, the higher security unit with single-person cells. >> three minutes in she said she wanted to kill herself, so it took a response team and myself to go up and get her. she refused to get up, she had to be forced into handcuffs and once i was walking her through the cell door, she tried to jump off. >> she was immediately place d suicide watch. even her clothes were replaced with a gown to prevent hanging. >> it's not a form of punishment, but it's just a way to make sure they are safe. we always say that we want to make sure that our staff leaves okay every night. we feel that way about the inmates, too, that is our primary job here is to make sure that they are safe. >> on the third day of suicide watch, jail officials have decided to change walker's status. >> per the mental health they
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are going to discontinue swiss site watch and begin a watch where deputies will check on her every 30 minutes. they are going to log every 30 minutes of her behavior. >> she will be confined to the cell 23 hours per day. is now allowed to wear a regular uniform and have a few personal possessions, as long as they are not sharp. >> she has no access to the razor because she attempted suicide. >> though walker was quickly restrained after she moved toward the railing, she says her intention was real. >> i felt like, just ending it. being in jail no more, i was tired of getting in jail. i was tired of dealing with all of the things that i have been dealing with. i was just sick of everything and everybody. >> after a few hours on watch, deputy mayberry responds to a disturban
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disturbance, she has been trashing her cell and kicking her door. stop yelling i can hear you. >> he says the inmate worker who moved her possessions into her new cell stole her radio and other items. >> let me do some looking around. you say a radio and shampoo, right? let me do some searching around, all right? relax, okay? >> walker is also irritated by other women outside her cell in the unit's day room. >> i'm behind this bar, you fat -- >> chill out and don't let them rev you up, because you are locked up and they are not. just chill out, all right? i'll get your radio back to you. listen, i ain't -- i don't know about all that, i don't know if they might have thrown that away. you will have your radio tomorrow. okay. all right.
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i'm done. i gave that you option. all right? i'm pretty sure they are not going to let you bang on here all day, you will end up in the chair back on suicide watch. there you go. >> i know them from the streets, i'm like, girl, you have got to stop. because of the simple fact is somebody is going to teach you, you are going to learn really quick what it's like to be in jail. >> walker's friend jamie miller is assigned to the same housing unit. >> that is just too much. all night screaming and yelling and. she looks so innocent, but she's hell. >> i cannot believe she -- >> wow. >> i heard you screaming and banging last night.
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>> you are not going to get anywhere in your cell acting like that. the easier you are, the more you comply with the deputies, you will get privileges. >> when you act nicely for people to do stuff, then they look at you, like, they ignore you, and then you flip out, we never had a problem with you, what is going on with you? and this and that. >> miller knows that walker has been anxious about her upcoming sentencing. >> give you probation or prison time, right? what did you plead for. >> five years. >> the deal walker actually signed makes her eligible for more than six years in prison for stabbing a man, though she hopes the judge will give her probation instead. >> i probably will get probation. >> who is your judge?
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>> mcgarnen. >> girl you are going to prison. >> no i'm not. the plea says i can get probation. >> do you have your plea papers? >> no. >> i would ask for a copy of what you signed. >> i already have a copy i ripped it up. i'm going to get one or the other. it's all up to the judge. >> either way i hope for the best. i mean, it's going to happen either way. >> what is? whatever is going to happen. i don't know. you don't know. >> no, i do know. >> all right. well, i'm -- all right. that don't make no sense. >> miller knows walker's judge and is convinced she's head today prison. walker believes faith will set her free, and she's used a bar of soap to fortify that belief. >> this has blessed me.
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and i have crosses all over. i just, you know, put crosses on everything, so i can remind myself why i'm trying to change. >> coming up. >> what's up? >> i told him that he took a knife, put it to my throat. >> jason gaillard's girlfriend changes her story. >> the knives are a lie. >> ms. walker, your situation is regrettable in a great many ways. >> vegas walker faces the judge. wow. nice. strength and style. which one's your favorite? (laughter) come home with me! trade up to the silverado 2500hd all star edition and get an average total value over $11,000 when you find your tag. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.
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now back to our regular programming. >> announcer: due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> for most inmates there is no mistaking life inside wichita cedric county jail, her home sweet home. but there is one policy implemented by sheriff jeff easter that they would especially like to see go away. or in this case flushed away. it's the toilet paper policy. >> a roll a week. so i try to find ways to stretch it out. >> you know. >> sheriff easter says the one roll per week toilet paper policy has nothing to do with punishment, but everything to do
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with waste. >> there was toilet paper being used as table cloth, three or four rolls being stuffed down the toilet to flood their cells so they would be taken out of their cells, toilet paper put on the vents, the windows, under the cracks of the doors. so the waste of toilet paper was unbelievable. and so we sat down and looked at it and decided that we would issue them a roll of toilet paper a week. the first year the savings to the taxpayers was $50,000 in toilet paper. >> some inmates say one roll a week is just unsustainable. >> a lot of soft foods and one roll of toilet paper a week makes for a bad deal. they give us one roll of toilet paper a week and that's it. i have been locked down for 72 hours for stealing a roll of toilet paper before. so. >> i have, too. >> went behind the desk, took a roll of toilet paper, i needed
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it. >> if they are sick, have the flu, flu-like symptoms, those type of things, they are going to get as much toilet paper as they need until they are done being sick. but if they are not indigent and they have commissary, cost them 1.32 to buy another roll. >> a roll of toilet paper 1.30. >> those additional rolls of toilet paper can be purchased through the jail's commissary, along with snacks. jason gaillard has received his weekly coincluding one roll of toilet paper. >> gaillard's girlfriend deposits money into his commissary account once a week. >> whenever she gets paid, she'll give me 50. whenever she's not getting paid, she'll give me 30. or if i beg her, she might give me another 50.
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>> judy simora, not only gives him money, but visits regularly, despite the beating she suffered at gaillard's hands, which led to his current incarceration. >> hello. >> who are you here to see? gaillard. we talk to each other pretty much every day on the phone. i come to see him every week. he obviously has issued, but i do care about him, and i do love him. >> simora says she expects to be called to testify at gaillard's trial. on charges including kidnapping and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. >> i've got to play nice because of the situation. and do i harbor ill will or hard feelings towards her? i did initially. there is still a little animosity, of course, because i'm in here. but i don't blame her for it. and i forgive her for it. just like she for gives me for
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doing that. >> what's up? >> hi. did you shave your head? >> yup. you can't tell. >> as far as us talking about what happened, he says he's ashamed of it. doesn't want to talk about it, but i do want to talk about it. >> simora says that she and gaillard agreed that he would try to get into an anger management class offered at the jail. >> whatever happened with those classes that you was trying to take? >> they still ain't said nothing about them to me yet. as far as severity of the crime or whatever, they are trying to say probably that i'm not eligible to go. i think. i'm going to ask again. but i have been asking. if nothing else, definitely they are going to make me go when i get out. the judge will order it. >> that is probably a given. we had been drinking, i had a
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couple of beers, he was drinking some vodka. we were having a good time. >> both gaillard and simora say on the night of the beating they accused each other of infideliti infidelities. >> at first he pulled my hair and then he slapped me up side the head. but then he continued to slap me. >> i didn't hit her with no closed fist, but still, i ain't making no excuses for it either. i mean, i slapped her up. >> then they drove to a friend's house. but things got worse. and gaillard stopped. >> he hit me a couple more times, and those two times was when i really got frightened. my eyes had been scratched, and i it was very painful. and i just thought it seemed like it was never going to end. >> she said she was scared, that i was going to hit her again, and so she left. and that's when she went to the police station. >> you ain't heard nothing from the da or nothing yet, huh?
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>> no, not a peep. >> well, if i go to trial, they are going to talk, a week before i go. if you don't show up, they are going to try to put a warrant out for you. if you don't show up, they are going to make it seem like i'm telling you to not show up. you see what i'm saying? >> yeah. >> instead of being your own free will choice, because i'm the bad guy. >> it's now in gaillard's best interests for simora to talk to his prosecutors. because she has changed a part of her story. it could be the difference between gaillard receiving a short prison term or spending decades behind bars if found guilty. >> what did you tell the police? >> i told them that he took a knife, put it to my large, a large hunting knife and put it to my throat. so if i didn't tell them the truth he was going to kill me. he was going to start sticking me if i didn't tell him the truth. >> should gaillard be found guilty of using a knife, even in
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just a threatening manner, his sentencing guidelines increase dramatically. >> i'll never get out. i'll die in prison. you know, she wanted to get back at me, and she knew the record that i got, and my history, so she knew, you know, she can tell them, embellish a little bit. >> did he have a knife? >> no. >> after gaillard's arrest, simora recanted her account of the knife. >> you made up the story of a knife? >> two knives. >> she came around and we talked about it, and you know, i apologized for it, you know, and as long as i got that off my back i'm good. worst case scenario i'll get a couple of years in prison. >> but just seconds later, during our interview with simora- simora-- >> so the knives are a lie? >> no, they are not. >> he had a knife.
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>> yeah. >> any jury is not going to find me guilty if my only witness is my victim. >> why would you recant those elements of the story? >> well, i don't want to be responsible for him going back to jail. >> i miss you. >> i miss you, too. when are you coming up next week? >> tuesday. same time. >> i love you, baby. >> love you too. >> call you tomorrow morning. >> stay out of trouble. okay? >> all right. you be good. >> love you. >> bye. >> bye. >> do you consider yourself a victim of domestic violence? >> yes, i do. >> this is a man who repeatedly beat you, why are you making it so easy for him in this environment? >> i don't know. obviously i want to. i have always been, you know, more concerned apparently for
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the other person than for myself obviously. i understand how it works. i've tried to help family and to get out of the situation, and then of course they went back and then at that point you realize that it's better just to let it take its course and eventually that things will work out. >> coming up. jason gaillard's reaction to judy simora's change of heart. and. >> the two options here obviously prison or probation. >> the judge hands down his sentence on vegas walker. -yeah. -how do you go to the bathroom? great. any insurance-related questions? -mm-hmm. -do you have a girlfriend? uh, i'm actually focusing on my career right now, saving people nearly $600 when they switch, so... where's your belly button? [ sighs ]
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inside wichita's cedric county jail, jason gaillard's
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future most likely rests in the hands of his girlfriend judy simora. >> i love her. i mean, when you are with somebody for a long a time, whatever, living with each other, you know, are going to develop problems, but i know it's never going to be like it was. >> though she was left badly bruised, gaillard said he only slapped simora during an argument. later simora recanted her claim to police that she threatened her with a knife. but during our interview with her, she said she did so in order to protect him. >> i don't want to be responsible for him going back to jail. like i can said, i did really think he was going to kill me. i just didn't think he was. >> because of gaillard's criminal history, which includes prior violent crimes, whatever version simora testifies to in court, could be the difference between him going away for a few
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years or decades if found guilty. >> if you have to go to court and you have to testify, you are going to perjury yourself on the stand? >> no. >> because they will ask you about your statement. >> um-hum. >> i'm just curious if you would put yourself in that kind of. >> um-hum. >> predicament. >> yeah. >> you will tell the truth? >> um-hum. >> does he know that? >> i have to. i don't think so. >> the next time we saw gaillard, he refused to speak to us on camera. we also checked in with simora. she said she had spoken to gaillard, had shared details with him about her interview with us. gaillard's case will be resolved in the nearby court building. the same one vegas walker is in today to learn her sentence for stabbing a man on wichita's broadway street. >> all rise.
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>> the judge can sentence her to anything from probation to up to 75 months, or more than six years in state prison. >> on the record in state of kansas versus vegas walker. we are here this morning for sentencing following a plea of guilty to one count of aggravated battery. >> both the prosecution and defense will make sentencing recommendations. walker's attorney, public defender eli o'brien argues for probation. >> mr. o'brien? >> thank you, judge. ms. walker, as i detailed in the motion, is a young woman who unfortunately has had a lot go wrong for her. she has been bounced around in foster care. at the time of this incident she was homeless. she was living on the street, and the broadway neighborhood, we all know, isn't very good. she was on the streets out of necessity. she didn't have a stable home life to go to. she got caught up with the wrong crowd. and this confrontation resulted
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in her taking steps that she understands now were not appropriate, and she is here today to take responsibility for that. since this has occurred, her family has rallied around her and made the adjustments to where if she was to be released on probation, she could stay with them immediately. probation is going to hold her accountable. she's not going to be living on the street. she wants to get as far away from broadway as possible. she's young enough and she's smart enough that if she were given a chance on probation, i think she would succeed. and that is why i think rehabilitation at this point is more proper than imprisonment. thank you, judge. >> all right. did you want to proceed at this time? >> thank you. >> assistant district attorney jennifer amex, believes walker should go to prison for the maximum 75 months. >> sometimes it's just to great. prison should be reserved for violent offenders and in this
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case that is what ms. walker has in fact become. >> the prosecution asserts that a dispute over money is what led to the stabbing. >> to be clear, judge, the eyewitness to this incident indicated that the victim told the defendant that he wasn't going to talk to her and that he didn't owe her any money. she wanted her money. she went away, she threatened to shoot him. when she came back, she again approached him, went up, slapped him, he slapped her back. that pissed her off. so she grabbed the large butcher knife where she had it hidden in her waist and she stabbed him in the gut. she his spleen, his liver, before the knife finally exited the back of his abdomen. she didn't try to get him help. she doesn't wait for the cops to try to explain what happened. she doesn't take responsibility at the scene. she stabbed him, says, i told
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you not to -- with me and then she leaves the scene. this case could have appropriately been charged as attempted murder. the question the court has to answer is is she a public safety risk, and she is because of her criminal history. >> after she has complete her argument, walker is given the opportunity to speak for herself. >> i just want to say that even though this is really bad. i'm sorry. my motive was not to kill him or to -- i was scared. i truly was scared. i can't -- i've always accepted responsibility for anything that i did. the reason i didn't say it is because i'm scared. i just wasn't thinking straight. i'm sorry.
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that's all i can say is that i'm sorry. i will never do anything like that again. i just want another chance at life because i'm better than this. >> all right. thank you. >> finally, it's time for the judge to hand down the sentence. >> ms. walker, your situation is regrettable in a great many ways. i have done what i can to be as informed as i can in looking at what the appropriate sentence in your case. and the two options here, obviously prison or probation. to place you on probation, i would have to consider the risk you would pose outside of this building. and in considering that, i have to look at what you've got to help you succeed on probation.
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and right now, that isn't much. you were obviously transient, essentially homeless as you've stated today. using very serious drugs, and certainly those did not benefit you in this situation. and while your attorney can argue today that your family is now ready to assist you, we really don't know much about that and whether it would be available regularly in the future is unknown. so those all work against you being successful on probation. now, ms. walker, the second thing that i consider most today, and i do with any cases before me, is your criminal history. you are 21 barely. and you've amasseed a fairly lengthy criminal history for
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someone so long. it has slowly increased in seriousness. now we are in a situation that in all fairness could have been charged as an awe temmttempted . and this increase in seriousness right now seems to indicate you are a danger to others. to place you on probation puts me in the position of saying, we are going to take a risk on you right now to see whether or not you are going to harm someone else or do an even more serious crime. you take a knife and you stab someone, almost kill them, you are making decisions. you are right, bad ones. and there is consequences for those decisions. you won't be going on probation and you will be going to prison. because you are young, you still have a significant period of life in front of you to make these changes that you and your attorney say you want to make. whether you are going to make
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those or not is going to be up to you. considering all the required factors, the sentence is as follows, i'm going to sentence the defendant to a term of 6 months --68 months. ms. walker, i take no pleasure in sending someone of your age to prison, but the state is right, you have shown you are a danger to others, and at this time the best place for you is prison. >> coming up. right now she's in crisis mode. she thought she was going to be released, and they just sent her to prison. on your homeowners insurance too? great! geico can help insure our mountain chalet! how long have we been sawing this log? um, one hundred and fourteen years. man i thought my arm would be a lot more jacked by now.
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next door to the cedric county jail is the criminal courts building. inside vegas walker has just been sentenced to 68 months in prison for stabbing a man. she is now he is cgoing through corridor that connects the court's building to jail. prior to court, walker was convinced that the judge would emphasize with her difficult upbringing and her claim that she stabbed a man in self-defense and release her on probation. >> i should have got the chance to go home. everybody walks out of prison but me. >> as a result of what jail officials identified as a suicide attempt, walker is still on watch, meaning she must be confined to a special observation cell, but now walker has decided not to return to her
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cell. >> i'm not going there. nope. nope. >> walker? walker. >> stop. stop. stop it. put your hands behind your back. stop it right now.
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stop. >> right now she's in crisis mode. she thought she was going to be released. and they just sentenced her to prison. it's very common. they expect they are going to get out, or they get less time or more time. some of them exokide, explode, them shut down. >> i'm going to stand you up. stand up. stand up. >> it's difficult because you've got to keep that separate line of caring too much and doing your job. >> ms. walker, don't do this. >> i don't care. >> why don't you care? >> i want her to know that i care about her. i do. because that's my job so take care of these people while they are here. but yet she can't lay on the floor.
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>> finally walker returns to her cell. >> lay on your bed. going to take the cuffs off. >> i don't want to be alone. i don't want to be in here. >> i'll do whatever in my means i can do it help her. >> walker's friend, jamie miller witnessed her outburst and is upset by it. >> i seen her act like a child today. you are a big girl, pull a knife and cut somebody, you knew the risks you was running when you pulled the knife, and you act like that on the street, the thing about it is is i know both sides. i know victims, and what she did was wrong. so now it's time for you to go lay down and do your time. you did the crime, you wear the jump suit, you do the time. why are you acting a fuel in ooe
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middle of the day room. you pulled a knife, you cut him up, accept what you did. >> a short time later, a decision is made to house walker from the medical clinic until she is calmer. it is a quieter setting away from other inmates, and will allow medical and mental health staff to better monitor her. >> what did your mama say? >> she told me to quit crying and to start writing. i write a lot. even though she can't see me
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sometimes. >> davvegas walker was seen by mental health specialist. they said she was in crisis, also, and they appreciated us putting her in the clinic so they could keep a closer eye on her. she felt like she was in a good place after she spoke with her mom and she felt like she could go back to housing, and so she could be around people. >> okay. i'll go get your jumpsuit and come back and clean your room, all right?
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. get me a wheelchair. >> it appears an inmate has a self-inflicted injury to his left arm. >> an inmate takes drastic action and leaves his cell a bloody mess, while another -- >> explain this. why you got a homemade cuff key in your property. >> found with dangerous contraband. >> handcuff key is like mainly for my defense.

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