brady is tough. >> i know he is. that does it for us this monday. i'm alex witt alongside louis burgdorf. "morning joe" starts live from washington right now. ♪ ♪ >> she's a refuge. i see a face i see you staring back at me ♪ ♪ she's a refuge she is going to america ♪ >> it's establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love deeply our people.

♪ in the morning she is fading waiting for her ship to sail ♪ ♪ ♪ whoa got to war you going to fight for evil ♪ ♪ rock war you got to go to war no more saying come back from far away ♪ >> in america, we do not say no to people based on their religion. not now. not ever. >> greater protection of our borders of our people, it's a small price to pay. >> they can't deny that this is a muslim ban. it is a muslim ban. >> it is not a muslim ban but totally prepared to work it out very nicely. >> i think the effect will give isis some more propaganda. >> what we couldn't do is telegraph our position. what the people needed to know knew.

♪ in the morning she is fading waiting for her man to come take her by her hand ♪ ♪ take her to the promise land >> let them in! let them in! ♪ she is a breeding face in the wrong place she is a pretty face say she is going to live in america yeah america ♪ >> america is the land of freedom. the land of freedom. >> good morning. it is monday, january 30th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set in washington, we have political reporter for. . and msnbc political analyst, robert costa and columnist and

associate editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. white house correspondent for the associated press, julie pace. and law professor at george washington, john turley. >> who the largest inbox of all of us this morning? >> and jon meechaacham and back new york, mark halpern. everybody on deck at the top of the show this monday morning. >> second weekend just extraordinary. i don't think we have seen back-to-back weekends with the women's march last week then what happened this week. i just don't think we have seen that in a very, very long time. >> we had quite a weekend here trying to bring it altogether and fully get the scope of what is happening, talking to people on both sides of the aisle. why don't you tell us a little bit about that and then i'll get to the news. >> we met with the president yesterday, but the night before, met with members of barack

obama's foreign policy team. democratic senators who i'm surprised by the democratic senators' reaction to this, as well as speaking to members of the president's foreign policy team that has gained, i think, almost universal acclaim. and i think the biggest takeaway this weekend from all of the discussions had to do from that foreign policy team who said, basically, we hope the young staff members at the white house enjoyed their time trying to make policy on their own without talking to us, because that will never happen again. the exact quote is the chain is tightening quickly. >> a few takeaways from the meeting with the president? >> i think the biggest takeaway and one that took me a while to nail down was the fact that the white house claimed even yesterday afternoon, and, david,

this is something that sent shock waves through the foreign policy community, there had been the news breaking that the director of national intelligence and also the chairman of the joint chiefs were taken off the permanent nsc committee. shocking admission. the white house claimed -- not the president, but his staff, claimed that that wasn't the case. if you looked at the language, those were the only two who were statutorily required to be on there. so they said, no, no, no. we are adding bannon but those two are staying on there. i will say it took me four hours to nail that down. i spent the next hours on the phone saying i want this in writing. because i'm not seeing it anywhere. and four or five hours later, they confirmed they are both on the permanent committee and direct statutorily then why did you put out that paper? where did steven miller fight so

hard to put out there order on friday without talking to any of the other agencies? bob costa, i'm sure all of you will report that this, steven miller sitting in the white house saying we are not going to go to the other agencies. we are not going to talk to the lawyers. we are going to do this all alone. i'll just say it right here and reporting will bear this out, you've got a very young person in the white house on a power trip thinking that you can just write executive orders and tell all of your cabinet agencies to go to hell. and washington is in an uproar this morning forget about what is happening in the street because steven miller thought woe do this without going through the regulatory process. >> you talked about the process. did you have any sense he made a mista mistake? this order has protests and stating what is unusual for our country.

does the president have any sense maybe i went off too quickly on this and maybe something i didn't see here? >> the president did not say that. and he didn't suggest that. but those around him, you can tell, there had been discussions and that those around him, i think, believe that this got off very badly for several reasons. first of all, they didn't explain it to the media, they didn't communicate it properly. they didn't explain what it was and what it wasn't. and then, of course, the much, much larger problem was there was no vetting with the agencies. the president's feeling was this is what i promised people to do. in fact, we took the seven countries from barack obama's list from 2015 of the seven countries that caused the biggest problem. so we lifted the language from there, so their feeling it wasn't a muslim ban. we used obama's seven countries in 2015 and then they added three more in 2016.

and, of course, they were talking about their 45 muslim majority countries that weren't on this list. that's the sort of thing that you don't talk about on sunday. that is the sort of thing you talk about last week while you're building up to this. >> so for the key senior people, we think of general mattis, the defense, we think of general kelley at homeland security, we think of rex tillerson presumably coming to state. was this a lesson for them they needed to push back harder earlier to prevent political types from the white house making mistakes that hurt the country? >> i can't speak for them this morning, but that is certainly from the several that i spoke with, yes. this would not happen again and if this did happen again, the president would have serious problems with his foreign policy team. they -- as well as the entire government. everybody we talked to, and we went to some events through the weekend.

we don't usually do working weekends. we are usually at home with our kids, but they were scattered. decided to come here because the -- club -- we said, okay, we are going to take a lot of meetings. there was shock, as you know, across the city friday night, and i will tell you with this foreign policy team, they are ready for it to jell. none of these guys got why they got by engaging in guesswork or by running a sloppy drg havi-- sloppy management process. my feeling and i know mika's was, too, that this -- this is going to be the big discussion certainly between the foreign policy team and the president this week. >> how this happens in the future. just for the record, i urged compassion. we both did as much as possible given that this was all unfolding. let's lay it down. we sort of backed into it because of the meetings we had

over the weekend. >> also fascinating discussions we will get to later. >> yes, we will get to it later. >> let me finish the sentence because it's important. >> go ahead. >> i was struck by the democratic senators' response. they are still, despite what you see on tv, they are still jarred by the election result and i expected them to be far angrier in person. i expected them to be saying we are going to get trump on -- no. they said at our retreat in west virginia and we talked to trump supporters we have no doubt that the majority of america probably supports this and we have to figure out how to get our message to america to explain why these things that help get donald trump elected were wrong. their reaction far different than i expected. the white house is defending its new trachl travel ban.

homeland security tried to understand and enforce it and protesters as you saw rallied against it. the order signed at the defense department on friday suspended the u.s. refuge program for 120 days ago and orders officials to wha change the program, quote. including those with dual nationality. they asked the homeland security and security department to determine what nfg is needed to vet travelers from those countries before admitting them. on several occasions yesterday the white house said it based the list on seven countries on ones first identified by the obama administration.

"wall street journal" explains that. a federal program allows people from the united kingdom and france and three dozen other countries to travel to the u.s. for business or vacation without a visa, and that a federal law passed in 2015 curtailed the program requiring anyone from the list of approved countries who has traveled to iran, iraq, sudan and syria to obtain a u.s. visa before entering the country. the homeland security added libya and somalia and syria to the list in 2016. at times we will get to the very critical reactions from republicans in congress but one from senator tom cotton goes to the question whether the order was, quote, a muslim ban. senator cotton writes it's simply wrong to call the president's executive order concerning immigration and refuges a religious test of any kind. i doubt many arkansasans or

others object to object taking a harder look at foreigners coming into our country from war-torn nations with known terror networks and as joe mentioned 40 countries and territories with majority muslim population that were not included in the travel ban. still, confusion was rampant over who the executive order actually applied to and how to execute it. agency lawyers reviewed the eo but nbc news reports it came out of the white house and not through the standard interagency process, a process that seeks input from a variety of lawyers and implementers. this led to say that, the very least, apparent confusion for customs agents which pressed secretary sean spicer addressed yesterday. >> how much of a headup did you give homeland security? you've seen the scenes at these airports. you heard david curly report. >> what we couldn't do is

telegraph our position ahead of time to ensure that people flooded in that br that happened and before it went into place. >> the problem is, bob costa, the people that needed to know did not know when it came to lawyers, whether it was the state department or dhs or all of these other places. if you look at the chaos that happened, i don't think anybody at this table is denying that donald trump didn't promise to do this. but if you look at the chaos happened, it happened because they -- whoever drafted this up wrote it like a seventh grader and it caused so much chaos that you had 5-year-olds trapped and separated from their mothers. all of the chaos across the globe because they didn't go through -- steven miller writes, specifically, didn't go through the interagency process. >> i spoke to john kasich of ohio yesterday.

his view reflects about what a lot of officials thought about this as a management question coming out of the white house. kasich said he was very curious about how this all unfolded. he mentioned some of the points you brought up about this vacuum right now in the trump administration because the cabinet hasn't been put fully in place. the answer from the more populace wing of the white house, i'm sure you heard it in your conversations, steven miller, 31 years old and steve bannon, the chief strategist and jeff sessions. this was has been building up this immigration policy and regardless of the political consequences they were going to move forward. >> the extraordinary confidence by which steven miller put this out without, again, going through an interagency process, that could have cleaned a lot of these questions up. they specifically green cards and it bounced back and forth

and back and forth. and you actually had steven miller, i won't even tell you what i'd like to call him. you had a 31-year-old kid actually overrule dhs lawyers overnight on green cards? and then they had to go back the next morning. >> even a more simple point. i was at the white house on friday after the president signed this order and we were trying to get clarity on specifically what countries this 90-day ban applied to, one of the most basic tenets of this order. it took four hours to get an answer to the seven countries. we just wanted to be specific because this is a major order by the president. you don't want to put out an inact accurate list of countries. it took four hours to get that question answered. >> why didn't they just hand the language to you and say this is the bill? >> great question. >> that republicans and democrats passed in 2015 and these are the three countries

that dhs added in 2016? >> so many people who work in white houses now presidencies can rise and fault on your able to communicate to the public. obamacare part of the downfall for obama was he could not explain what was happening. he was in a bunker. he was rounded by democrats and he couldn't explain to people what was happening. we are going into the second full week of this presidency and you're going to see, i think, a lot of pressure on this president to get in front of the public. not just to tweet but get in front of the public and try to defend this policy. >> and have his staff actually explain it. . david, i learned in 1988 from the dan quayle debacle, you never sneak up on the press. and i always tell politicians that. never sneak up on the press. this white house, certainly in this case, made the press guess, made the nation guess, made the world guess. instead of getting everything in order and then implementing it. >> they confused the press more

moving. i think moving to the country was they confused thousands of people around the world who were trying to get to the united states. i just picked up some friends of mine, people of stuck in dubai' worrying about traveling around the country. i think that is what caught the conscience of the country and you saw thousands of people going to airports saying how can i help these poor people who have been caught in something that was ill planned. >> the outpouring of compassion was extraordinary. >> it was. >> across the country. >> that was the best thing about what happened. >> that was the best thing about what happened. >> the fact that people reacted and our courts reacted. >> so the legal aspect of this is convoluted to say the least. the judicial branch knocked back the president's order on refuges and travel ban over the weekend. four cases were brought in new york, massachusetts, washington state, and virginia, where

judges issued orders to halt parts of the executive action. in brooklyn barring the deposteridepo deportation of those detained. in boston a judge also puts hold. in virginia only people held at dulles international airport. the president has broad powers over immigration. a federal law allows him to suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants if he determines their entry would be detrimental to the interests of the united states. >> jonathan, a lot to sort through here. let's, first of all, talk about the overall order and, obviously, there are going to be a lot of challenges and a lot of are going to succeed, but, first of all, talk about the religious test and then also talk about, was it the 1965 act saying you

can't discriminate against an immigrant based on their country of origin? >> right. the thing you have to start with is putting aside the merits of this and there are plenty of reasons to object. i don't think that this was a good idea. i think it was a terrible mistake. >> right. >> but legally, that doesn't factor into the dynamic. the question is does the president have authority to restrict entry at the border? and president's power at zenith at the order. the courts have given great deference to the president. he has at advantage putting aside all of these objections, historically, presidents have been allowed to do very similar things. in fact, president obama, just last year, told supreme court, courts should not second-guess presidents on immigration, national security -- >> the president, himself, the white house said had a ban in iraq, whether was that? >> 2011. >> for six months. >> that's right. >> so will the trump administration use that as -- >> they have a lot to use. people, i think, have been

underestimating the precedent here that can be mash shrshalle the trump administration. the authority of a president, is to control these borders. and the court will not view this as a muslim ban, at least i don't expect them to. >> again, if you have seven of 50 muslim -- >> that's right. >> i do think, i thought from the beginning, they don't -- they don't have a winning legal case there. what about the nation of origin, though? you can't discriminate against immigrants. what was it? lbj signed it in '65, i think. >> yeah. >> is there a possible win there? >> that certainly gives you some good groundwork to make a challenge but will it ultimately overcome a president's inherent authority? probably not. presidents historically have seed these regions or areas are matters of concern. the president saying i want to

freeze refuge entries until we have a better vetting process. what you're asking a federal judge to do is substitute his or her judgment as president saying as a national security matter. >> they will not do that? >> they will not. >> is it a rational standard? >> the standard is very, very low. there was case in the '70s in which a marxist was kept from coming into the country in my view a terrible decision. he was kept out because they don't like his views. the supreme court still upheld that decision and established, well, it did establish that the courts could review these types of questions. the standard was very, very low as to whether the president could state a bona fide reason. he has. you can disagree with it but he has done that. >> it sounds like your opinion right now is that the courts will uphold the overall order? >> i think -- i think the odds are in his favor. i think also people need to argue against what is there, not

what is more easy to attack. the aclu has said in the filings, this is a muslim ban. that is a very -- that would be a great thing to challenge but not this thing. this is not a muslim ban. a court will not read into this is a religious test because it excludes most of these other countries. plenty of reasons to object to this order without creating something that is not. >> by the way, i didn't want to get in front of that train this weekend because #muslim ban was -- well, just about everybody was doing it. but i was just thinking, the courts will not be persuaded by this hash tag. legally, it cannot be defined that way. >> that is the problem is when you look at this thing legally, it's a vastly different creature from what people are describing outside and that is dangerous because people are assuming this

is one thing and rg arguing against it as that thing. the courts will review it differently and review that a president has suspended entries with some, not the majority of muslim countries, and a judge is not going to get ahead of her skis on this and she is not going to look at this and say, i don't think the president is right on this. judges tend not to do that. >> i wonder, the president did make some comments where he talked about prioritizing christians ahead of other religions. i wonder how courts might view that? >> there are actually two statements in a closed case. there was that statement which, of course, sounds like a religious test to me. then there was rudy giuliani saying, we tried to get the best muslim ban we could. >> you will almost hear the justice department lawyers going into a fetal position when this happened. they are like, really? this is what we need right now for you to say he wanted a muslim ban? >> that is a bigger question to get to. >> i want to get mark halpern in here. >> mark, what is the political impact of this? because you actually, once again, it's sort of like we were

saying last week, a lot of anger on both sides, but it reinforces what both sides want to think. the left want to think donald trump has enforced this muslim ban and it's an evil thing. the rye, or at least trump supporters on the right actually want a muslim ban. so this inexactness in language actually plays to both sides? >> you did see some republican critics, most notably senator mccain and senator graham. you campaign on an issue and as jonathan suggested the law our side but you can't do what he did. he reshaped america's image in the world and what america stands for. he disrupted families in his cavalier way and sends a signal to the muslim world in a cavalier way. you put your finger on it early. this must be explained. you can't make fundamental changes like that and not explain it. not just democrats but a lot of

republicans, including some who won't speak publicly yet, see this as too fundamentally changed to what america stands for around the world. >> again, it gets to the explanation beforehand. mark, that actually is something that this young white house is going to learn over time. they are going to lose more and more republicans the more cavalier people like, i'll just say it again, steven miller are when they say we are just going to put out this executive order and hell with the rest of the world. >> you can't operate that way and not the way washington operates and bureaucratic niceties and not about the cuba. it's about if you're going to change america's policy in such a fundamental way, you can't do it with a small group of people in the white house cutting the cabinet out and not explaining it. i understand they have an argument about security and not wanting -- but as you said, once assigned on friday, the vacuum they left allowed people to think the worst about it and, again, they can't hide from it.

they are fundamentally changing what america stand for around the world. protests in the united states and great britain and elsewhere have only just begun and if they want to change america's image in the world, america's standings and policy in the world and leave families divided, they are going to have to do a much stronger and aggressive and optimistic job of explaining why they are doing what they are doing. and they failed on that score and i think they are still failing even with a few more explanations yesterday. >> jon meacham, any parallels? >> this is day ten to point out the trump presidency so we haven't quite gotten to two weeks yet. this is also franklin roosevelt's birthday. a good example here. we favorly remember presidents who tend to open their arms more than clench their 50s. and that is just been true all the way through. we have had from the acts in

1798 a blot on john adams. it led to the revolution of 1800 with jefferson. you have the chinese exclusion act in the middle of the 19th century and no nothing part in the middle of the 19th century that raised up to immigration. and tr anarchists on a list we couldn't allow them in and roosevelt really bowed to pressure isolation as pressure in the '30s about the european and jewish refuges. harry truman remembered more favorably because he vetoed an act to ban refuges from the growing communist block. what we di about when we think about ronald reagan? the shiny city on the hill and not about closing the geates. on the pure optics of it, i think if president trump wants to try to put this back together, as mark was saying politically, i would argue historically, there has to be a way to be bigger hearted about

it. >> david? >> national security consequences. >> we talked about the legal and political aspects. i want to on note. on the basic question, did this make the country safer? i hear a near consensus among military intelligence, national security professionals that the answer is no. what we have done with this ban is basically to affirm the narrative that isis has, as it seems to recruit people abroad and in the united states, that the united states is conducting a war against muslims, that there is a strong anti-muslim bias. and, you know, will pick apart the pieces of this to argue how much that is true, but already the impression is out there. jihadists on websites are saying this is a blessed ban because it reinforced what we are trying to say and our cause and that makes the country less safe, not more safe. >> all right. >> and that is something that

mitch mcconnell yesterday morning kept going back to saying some of our closest allies in this war on terror are muslims. >> okay. we have got a lot to get to here. jonathan turley, thank you very much for being on. >> thank you, jonathan. amazing the incoming of new stories and different branches to this is almost hard to get your arms around. still ahead on "morning joe," the white house press secretary sean spicer will be here at the table. two of the outspoken voices on the travel ban, senator chris murphy and congressman keith ellison will join us. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. this is 100% useful for a 100% fresh mouth. just ask listerine® users. the very people we studied in the study of bold. people who are statistically more likely to stand up to a bully. do a yoga handstand. and be in a magician's act. listerine® kills 99% of bad breath germs

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act of terrorism. officials fromm the police department say two suspects are captured and one was captured after a chase with police. the shooting took place at an islamic culture center last night reportedly during evening prayers. ahman mohyeldin is joining us. >> we are still lorearning more details. what we know is that at about 8:00 p.m. local time in canada during an evening prayers in that mosque, there were about 80 or 90 or so worshipers participateing in that prayer when shots were fired. at least six people were killed as you mentioned and eight injured and one of those individuals was captured after a chase. police had set up checkpoints in an around the city while they were looking for these two suspects. they arrested the two suspects but we have not learned any details about either of their motivations or their identity.

in the meantime, there has been an outpouring of support for the community and for the mask. calls for donation of blood to help those who are injured and as you mentioned the leadership from the canada from the prime minister on down referring to this as an act of terror but not going so far to say it may have been as a result of any anti-islamic sentiments at this particular point. mika? >> ayman, thank you very much. canada is reacting to the news here in the united states, the, quote, muslim ban, and saying we will take you. very much in support of the people who are being barred, at least temporarily. we will be following this breaking news story as it develops. still ahead on "morning joe." >> steve bannon, one of your top advisers just the other day to "the new york times" called the media the opposition party. do you believe that? >> >> i think they are more

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country but when you then signal out we are giving preferential treatment to christians. there may be upheld. i imagine a judge somewhere up and down the line before it gets to the supreme court that will see the preference for christians and call that a religious -- >> i think of all the things that happened over the couple of days when this was coming out that should have gotten more attention was the president's own words where he said specifically in this interview with david brody we are going to give preference to christians and hard to read that in any way than a religious test for refugees. >> again, i think that this entire process -- by the way, it's interesting it came after one of his best performances at the dod, including general m mattis and reading from the prompter and actually delivering a strong message, not what he did in the cia. but then he signed that and i get the sense, especially when

you're talking about we are going to give preference for christians. that was a political exercise. i don't think anybody anticipated all of this coming from it and that is something that the white house better learn quickly and people not to mention his name again, steven miller better learn very quickly that if you're going to have the president of the united states sign something, you may better check it out with the other agency. i know you're almost 33, but you may want to actually check it out with the other agencies and lawyers who have been doing this for a long time. you may want to check with people that run other agencies too. okay? and by the time you're 35, maybe you'll know how washington and the white house really works, if you're still around. i hope you're not, because this weekend was a disgrace and it's all on your shoulders. who is up next, woomika? >> senator chris murphy says president trump's policy is, quote, going to get americans killed. the connecticut democrat joins

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48 past the hour. joining us now from washington, a member of the foreign relations committee democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. good to have you on board this morning. >> good to see you, senator. >> good morning. >> what is the next move for democrats in pushing back on this order? >> what is the next effective move? >> well, we are going to introduce legislation this afternoon that is going to give the congress and republicans some option to repeal this executive order. you've had enough republicans go on the record who have reservations in the united states senate to be able to get to 60. that doesn't mean the house will vote for it and doesn't mean you'll get a presidential signature, but you might get enough republicans to joining us to make this even more uncomfortable for the president. frankly, i think our effort is still to support the legal

option that is probably the fastest way to get this overturned but we are going to put in legislation this week that will make it clear that that 1965 law that says you can't discriminate based on religion or national origin prevails over any presidential sgre discretion that trump is using. >> mark halpern in new york has a question he for you. >> david ignatius said people think what the president did makes the country less safe. can you tick off the ways you think this long-term/short-term makes america less safe than more safe? >> i think the most important argue for us to be making because, right now, we have isis on its heels and their ration national for existence is based on a belief they are going to control a territory in the middle east. that is no longer available to them as an argument. but, secondarily there is a war between muslim and christian peoples, between east and west, and we have now handed them a path to rebirth. this is going to be all over the dark web recruiting both

international terrorists and lone wolfs here at home. then in iran specifically, a country that is, right now, tilting between hard liners and moderates who want to engage with the west. this is a huge win for hard liners and makes rouhani's job even more difficult and you're worried about a conflict between the united states and iran this makes it much more likely. this is going to get americans killed, i believe it and we can make the moral argument i think that is important but the national security argument probably should lead here. >> jon meacham is in nashville. >> connecticut's founding is very important. >> yeah. just keep going! >> senator, do you see any merit in the president's action? what do you believe should be the security screening? what should be the vetting for immigrants coming in? >> well, listen. it's important to remember that no matter how many times he

referenced 9/11, the four countries that were of origin for the 9/11 attack, none of them are on this list. i would argue that we should go towards a discussion about a pathway in which there is absolutely no screening. right now, people can come to the united states from europe through the visa waiver program. we know they have extremist cells, if they are citizens in europe without almost any security vet. and the europeans have been miserable at sharing information with each other about threats inside that continent. so i would go towards -- towards a sort of european vent in looking at screening and let's just make sure if folks get to this country and we suspect them of having connections to terrorism they shouldn't be able to get an assault weapon. that is a huge liability in our law today. i think those would be two important steps that would make us more safe rather than this eo which makes us less safe. >> senator murphy, you travel a lot overseas. i've traveled occasionally with you. what are you hearing from our key allies as they look at this?

what kind of damage do you think this is doing to us in terms of those relationships? >> so, ultimately, there is no problem in the middle east that could be solved by the united states alone. it's got to be a muslim face and sunni problems need to be solved by sunni people. this makes it almost impossible to engage with a lot of our allies in the region. the last time i was there, david, our allies told us we are not not a partner in fighting isis if we are not not a partner in trying to deal with the flow of displaced peoples outside of those countries. and i just think the moral catastrophe of bombing countries and creating a humanitarian disaster and locking them inside those countries is something that not only weakens us as a country from a standpoint of conscienceness. >> senator, i have to say people are watching and saying obama in effect had a syrian ban from 2011 to 2015. he ignored the red line. we as a country didn't create a safe zone. this is a long-lasting problem,

right? >> so we have had a legitimate disagreement about what to do inside syria. i would argue that increased u.s. military intervention would make that country more unstable and get more people killed. but traditionally, we have not let disagreements about policy on syria stop us from a longstanding belief that we should rescue people from a fire even if we can't agree on how to put it out. president obama did argue before congress to increase the number of refuges that were brought here from syria a lot of democrats supported him in that. and so the moral e equivalents. >> we have been criticized across the world for years because barack obama one year only allowed 3,000 syrian refuges in while sweden was allowing 40,000 to 50,000 in and germany was allowing millions in. >> yeah. no. we have been very tight in the number of syrian refuges that come and the flow has been slow.

at the outset, i think that was appropriate. but a lot of us have believed that that number should get bigger rather than smaller, so long you can do a tight security vet, which we do. >> on syria, you've seen this administration open the door to cooperation are russia and syria. if russia were to come forward and saying we are willing to work with you to focus on isis in syria is that a step you think this administration should take to partner with russia on the ground or in the air? >> russia has said before to cooperate with us on fighting syrian but they bombs civilians and killed thousands of civilians. you can't believe russia they are going to work with you to fight isis. their number one with priority is and always will be to preserve the assad regime and what thevever they tell you whe not back that up. >> do you think they will move forward with syria? >> i do. they are seeking some new

relationship with russia and probably close their eyes to the carnage that russia has and likely will create on the ground in syria in order to get this new agreement on some other set of issues. >> bob costa? >> as a member of the foreign relations committee how are you looking at this view coming out of the white house that is so different than past administrations, both republican and democrat? there is this global populism and nationalism and this kind of war against the west happening from radical islam. i mean, it's difference than a usual republican administration. how are you dealing with that as a senator? is there any political potency so that rtiargument? >> i think prit now the republican members of the senate who during the election and in private professed to have a lot of discomfort with this new vision of the world. they are not joining us. so we have got to work on trying to pry some of the republicans away from trump's side so we can have what we should be which is

paerpt consensus around a more realistic version of the world and a more nuanced way to fight islamic extremism. >> senator chris murphy, thank you for being in this morning. >> he is my home state senator. >> we have good representation on this panel. >> we go to break, i want to read part of the statement from the united nations high commissioner. it reads the united states is a global leader in supporting those forced to glee their homes but now our commitment to refuges is in jeopardy. the rest of the world is watching as this executive order places us on the wrong side of history, as the united states stands down from its commitment to freedom and hope. we strongly believe that refuges should receive equal treatment for protection and assistance and opportunities for resettlement, regardless of their religion, nationality, or race. i should note that i'm on the board of unhcr and also in the process of trying to adopt a

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example, it didn't filter down to our customs people. who can come in and who can't is a green cardholder and can that person be barred come-frofrom c into the country? i think the effect will probably give isis some more propaganda. >> this executive order, excuse me, was mean-spirited and un-american. it was implemented in a way that created chaos and confusion across the country and it will only serve to imbolden and aspire those around the globe who will do us harm. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is monday, january 30th. what an action-packed weekend. with us here in washington, we

have political reporter for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. columnist and associate editor for "the washington post" david ig n ignatius and in pork is jonathan and in new york is mark halpern and in washington, d.c. with us is sean spicer. >> another boring week for us, shooun spi sean spicer? >> i'm trying to dust up on mandarin. >> another chaotic weekend. >> i think i would phrase it action-packed and getting things done. >> another chaotic weekend. let me ask you -- first of all, a clarification point. >> yeah. >> on steve bannon put on the nsc, and there was a lot of talk yesterday in the morning, especially that you had the dni,

director of national intelligence and also the chairman of the joint chiefs, taken off the permanent committee. >> they are both on. this is literally of language. the director of national intelligence and director of the joint chiefs shall attend meetings and exact same language in 2001 and much to do about nothing. >> so they are, again, just to confirm, because i haven't really seen this. >> this is literally the language in 2001 and the same language here. >> does the white house adopt those language to say conclusively that the dni, as well as the chairman of the joint chiefs, is on the permanent committee? >> so the dni didn't exist in 2001. that came after -- >> when? >> 2011. we have adopted the same language that was what they call a principles committee adopted the exact same language in 2001 including the dni. in 2001 it read the director of central intelligence and the

chairman of the joint chiefs of staff will attend pertaining to their expertise is to be discussed and 2001 and 2017. the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff will attend per tainting to their responsibilities are to be discussed. exactly the same but we took out the cia and changed it to the dni. >> they are also still on the permanent committee? >> absolutely. 100% the same. >> david? >> well, with -- but the change, sean, is that the addition of steve bannon, which is a little unusual. >> well, no. except if you look -- >> why the political voice? >> it's not -- david axelrod attended national security meetings as did robert gibbs. all we did was become transparent and put down on paper who is going to attend. make sure that it's out there for everyone to see who is part of this committee. axelrod went all the time and they never actually codified it as part of their national security. this is an example of national

transparen transparency and not hiding who is at these meetings. >> they were articulate in explaining why george w. bush felt that karl rove, a political adviser he was close to, should not be in those meetings. why a different standard? >> steve is not playing karl rove's part. steve has military extensive background in geo political affairs and the assumption he is playing the same role as karl rove is not accurate. so he brings to the table a much greater scope of the political landscape vis-a-vis the world, the geo political landscape and national security affairs. i think codifying it and putting it out there something we are not trying to hide. in the obama administration they had people going in on and out of nsc windows unless they got caught of or known of. >> mark halpern in new york has a question. >> sean, does the president believe islam is one of the world's great religions?

and what role does islam and dominated countries play in fighting the country on the war on terror? >> i think he clearly respects people of peace going faith -- who are muslim and peace loving. but he recognizes that certain countries and certain areas of the world produce people that are -- seek to do harm and we have to make sure those people undergo a certain amount of vetting before they come into our country. i think there is a big difference between the religion and the location. >> mark, do you have a follow-up? >> just, again, what role does he see countries like pakistan, countries like iraq playing in fighting the war on terrorism against isis and other movements that could do the united states harm? >> he had significant calls over the weekend with the king of jordan who is here today. those countries who want to combat terrorism and fight bus with isis is phenomenal. we will work with any country that frankly shares that view. >> david ignatius, the read-out

from the saudi king. >> safe zones. >> where the president -- you can see this coming now. what is going to happen next. you had the saudi king and also the leader of the uae both agreeing to work with the united states to create the safe zones in syria that we have been talking about for sometime. >> obviously, that is an advantage and that was outreach that is helpful. i just want to ask, sean, among the intelligence professionals, long time counterterrorism experts, there is a feeling, although the president's intention was to make the country more safe, that by affirming the isis navrrative, the extremist narrative and immigration ban, has made the world more dangerous for us because people have new propaganda points to make. what would be reaction to that? >> first point i don't think you can underscore joe's point enough. the idea he talked to the crown

prince of uae and king of jordan we have the ability to work with these countries to make the world safer. but, secondly, when you look at happened. we are talking about seven countries that the obama administration identified as needing further travel restrictions. we are making sure that the priority is american citizens, american institutions and men s businesses and american families to protect its people. i think by making sure -- when we look at in context -- that is important. 325,000 people flew into this country from airports and 109 people were affected and slowed down in their travel. i understand that is an inconvenience but at the end of the day that that is a small price to pay as opposed to somebody losing their life because a terrorist attack was admitted. >> so let's talk about the communication message in planning this out. we have crossing the associated press the iraqi parliament has

approved a reciprocity measure after trump's ban. meaning you ban our people, we ban yours. was this thought out completely? >> i think absolutely. the appropriate people and agencies including the department of state and homeland security department were performed. the more you telegraph what you're about to see the more we pose a significant security threat. if we set this down to every low level individual more people flooded into the country to take advantage before the ban went into effect. >> what about the confusion regarding green card holders? >> again, i understand -- >> back and forth. >> and then we had the word, the disturbing word that actually dhs got a last-second look at this, looked at it, said it applied to green card holders' steven miller overruled it and caused confusion and had you to clean up the next day. >> the scope we are talking about 109 people out of 325,000

people that flew into airports. i understand when up look at it on television, you pick out one individual or two individuals. but we are talking about 109 people that were slowed down. and i understand that -- >> it seemed to cause worldwide disruption. >> i understand but i think what initially happened the way we had to rule this out for security purposes to protect our own country and our people, we did it in a way. but it happened. it was over and right now everything is flowing perfectly. >> jeremy? >> sean, i think this larger issue here over steve bannon's presence on the national security council is a question of who president trump listens to. i want you to tell us how exactly you can run an efficient national security process when you have cabinet officials like the secretary of defense and secretary of homeland security cut out of the process? >> how are they cut out? >> they were not informed of this executive order until the last minute. >> we are codifying something done under the obama administration with axelrod and gibbs attendsing. >> who is trump listening to?

>> he has national security advisers he is listening to them and all and listening to mattis and kelly. to make the assumption he is not listening to them is insane. he sat down with the secretary of defense for an extended period of time yesterday and on the phone with these guys constantly. to say he is not consulting -- >> they weren't brought into the process until the last minute. >> there has been the complaint in the media by a lot of the principles they were cut out by steven miller who decided to do this basically -- >> that is not true! >> it's not true that -- >> they were all involved in this process. in fact, one of the stories noted for months he is working with the homeland security department. at the end of the day they were all consulted and part of the process. >> confusion over green cards the night -- >> i understand there might have been confusion, right? but, again, look at the scope of the problem and look at the fact that it lasted for a few hours and initially was implemented and now it's working -- >> you will admit, sean, there

was, obviously, a roll-out problem as far as getting the message out and interagency coordination. >> i would argue is there a flip side. you would have telegraphed to everybody what is going on and pose significant security threats to the united states. >> do you think? what lessons have been learned by the white house? do you think some lessons have been learned by this process? >> i think we can figure out how to perform people quicker and more comprehensively once the decision is made but we made the best decision for the interest of our country and make that is always the priority. how we inform them as quick as we ecan to the highest and lowest levels sure we can constantly work on that. >> a lot of people are looking at these pictures coming out of the white house and seeing different personalities around the president and i keep encountering when i walk through the protests as a reporter a lot of confusion who these people are and take what their rapport

on national security. what is flynn's role versus bannon's role versus steven miller and jared kushner and reince priebus? how do you think through this? the country doesn't seem to know these people well. >> again, at the ends of the day, they are all serving the president of the united states and that the person they should know and trust that is going to put this country's interest first. the people around the president, as you mentioned, are all here to serve him and give him advice so that he can make the best possible decision in our country and our peoples interests. >> any particular -- >> all of those people you mentioned, bob, those are positions that have occurred in every white house. so it's just a question of who the president is choosing. each one of them is a highly qualified individual. >> how do you see it working for people who don't understand? >> i think it's working phenomenally. the president has appointed in terms of the cabinet and staff level amazingly qualified people who are giving him advice and some of of these people to go beyond who you mention. gary of the national economic council and brilliant people who sacrificed a lot to work for

this country and president to advance the agendas to make the country better. >> back to joe's question about lessons learned. we are at the end of a weekend where we had mass demonstrations around the country and orders by four judges around the country. john mccain described this as a self-inflicted wound. >> remember the one judge that is getting the most attention in the eastern district of new york and brooklyn, that order talked about deportation. that was never -- that -- the order dealt with a -- action that was never going to be taken. this was never about deportation. so this is about making sure we process -- >> people in the airports didn't know that. >> i understand that people may not have known but we are talking about a very -- >> that is the point! >> not well vetted. >> a short period of time in which we had something to execute that ensure that the people of the united states were safe. everybody has been protected. the safety of individuals -- what happened if we didn't act and somebody was killed? >> was there a threat? there was no eminent threat, was

there? >> if somebody acted sooner and save that person. too many cases happened san bernardino, atnta. >> did you have information that something like that was going take happen? >> jeremy, would you wait until you do? we act now to protect the future! >> pompeo, mattis, tillerson, kelly. >> amazing people, aren't they? >> they are. very strong. >> right. >> they know what they are doing. they were all in on this and thought it was a great idea? >> irv that was consulted needed to be skulted. >> they were consulted and behind this and completely on board and sit down with interviews today and support this completely today? >> everybody understands what the president was doing and why he was doing it and everybody that needed to be consulted was. >> including the gentleman that i mentioned? >> everyone that was consulted -- everyone that needed to be a part of the process was consulted. >> do they need to be a part of the process? >> absolutely. >> so they were consulted? >> i'm just -- i think i've asked and answered it! >> mark halpern has a question. >> on the supreme court nomination the president previously said it would be thursday. it's being report now that it might be today or tomorrow.

has the timing on that changed? and will you defer to the senate as mitch mcconnell suggested if democrats filibuster? would you like to see the senate rules change to allow a supreme court nominee to be confirmed with just 50 votes? >> i'll always -- with respect to the senate i leave it up to leader mcconnell. he knows how to get people through and these with qualified images whether the cabinet or supreme court. i'm not going to make any announcement regarding timing. but i it can tell you the president has consulted with both republicans and democrats throughout this process to make sure that he hears what they need to hear or they want in a supreme court justice. and that the list of 21 he put out earlier on his campaign are really highly qualified individuals. who will put this country's constitution first and foremost when making laws and interpreting the constitution. >> is it still on thursday, though? >> i will update you if we have a change on the time, mark. >> what about tuesday? all right. >> white house press secretary sean spicer, thank you for being

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the refuge changes you're looking to make as it relates to persecuted prisons do you see them as a priority here? >> yes. >> do you? >> yes. they have been horribly treated. do you know if you were a christian in syria, it was impossible, very, very at least very, very tough to get into the united states. if you were a muslim, you could come in. but if you were a christian, it was almost impossible.

and the reason that it was so unfair is that everybody was persecuted in all fairness, but they were chopping off the heads of everybody. but more so the christians. and i thought it was very, very unfair. so we are going to help them. >> joining us now is chief political correspondent for cbn news as we take in the latest -- what are you up to, joe? >> something else is coming in. >> nothing good. we have more breaking news here. >> david brody joins us and april ryan and former communication director for ted cruz's 2016 campaign and now an msnbc contributor, rick tyler. good to have you all on board. >> all right. so rick tyler, republicans have a choice to make. >> yeah. >> and some are making it and speaking out against the president's order, but you helped run ted cruz's campaign. i would guess a lot of people

who voted for ted cruz in iowa think what happened this weekend was just fine with them? >> i think, overall, as a policy -- what is amazing to me it seems to me like a good thing. tom cotton pointed this out. you look at three of the countries are in civil war, syria, yemen and sudan. iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. iraq is overrun by isis. somalia and libya have no effective government. you go to the american people he and say these people are overrun by terrorists, we want to have vetting for these people, i think most people would have said fine. >> right. >> but the way this was implemented -- >> again, let's put those countries back up again. there wasn't enough reporting on the weekend that seven of the countries' name were not mentioned on the president's order but actually language from a piece -- bipartisan piece of legislation that the president supported and dhs was actually behind and listed the seven in 2015 and 2016 as the countries

to fear. why wasn't pakistan on the list? was wasn't saudi arabia on the list? they weren't on the list because the obama administration in 2015 and '16 did not think they were the threat in 2001? >> if you're cooperating and defeati interrorism, there no w to cooperate with iran on defeating terrorism but a way to koor cooperate with saudi arabia about defeating terrorism. these are places that terrorism, recruitment organization is going on and not happening in saudi arabia. i'll defer to david on that. >> we have thousands of american troops in iraq right now who are engaged in a hot fight against isis and are having a lot of success and as we saw this morning, the reaction of iraqis is to be deeply offended. you're banning our people, many

of whom are working closely with the united states, banning our people from coming into our country? we are banning our people from coming into yours. which is nerms of our reterms o against isis would be catastrophic. >> most americans, i think, would agree that if people helped us in the fight in iraq, it should have been thought out enough that there would be the exceptions to allow people that need to come to the united states because they stuck their necks out for the american effort, starting in 2003. >> if you think about the calls that president trump had this weekend. angela merkel gave him somewhat of a warning and the french president talked about that also. this is a global alliance and when you start doing things like this, it raises -- it puts backs against the wall and makes people wonder what is going on and this is within the first seven days that that happened.

and we are looking at isis versus al qaeda. we had this issue with al qaeda with 9/11 and they have been downgraded but trying to reinstitur reconstitute. yes, we are trying to secure our borders via coming through from other countries but, at the same time, there are cells that are here and people have to remember that. this is one small piece. and this is very extreme piece that was taken. there are already cells here. >> david brody, you spoke with the president and he did focus specifically on christian refuges who are being persecuted. tell us about that and tell us about the interview. >> well, i go back about seven or eight years with him on this. we have been speaking about persecuted christians for a long time. now as president, words matter, obviously. look. i think what was interesting here is that he was so bold quickly when i asked the question about persecuted

christian. if they are going to be a priority? he stopped me in the middle -- and said yes. in other words, this has been on his mind for a while. look. the reason he won this election is because of that rust belt. the rust belt blue collar worker and the guy this guy relates to these folks is very, very important. why? because he is common sense. and what i mean by that is when it relates to muslims, look. the reality is that over in these countries, it is muslims chopping off the heads, as he says, of christians and other muslims and all of what has been going on. so he sees it from a common sense viewpoint and that why he relates to people out in america who feel very much the same way. >> he also won the bible belt as well. i'm going back to george w. bush and former president barack obama. they tried not to make this a war against religions. and there is a fallout when you see that. we are starting to see that this weekend. you've got to be very careful. and then in trying not to make it west against east and east

against west. so there is a fine line that has been crossed in this -- even as they try to say it's not religion against religion. but you've got to be careful when you say christianity against muslim. >> april, in sudan which has the largest refuge crisis in the world and syria is a crisis but the largest one is in sudan. >> what are they fighting over? oil. they are not fighting us. they are fighting over oil." into." muslims are pushing out the christians and over a million people -- >> they are fighting over oil. the impetus is oil. >> it is a war between muslims and christians. >> the impetus is oil over there. >> when i was in congress, there were a million christians in sudan who had been persecucenser killed. we are talking about sudan and christian refuges. i worked on it about three years. you had christian families that were being broken up and

children sold into slavery for $15. you are right. and for some reason, christian persecution, a lot of people turned a blind eye to christian persecution. if you do look at the numbers we showed up on the screen a couple of minutes ago as far as refuges coming into the united states, there have been about as many christians that have been coming into the united states of late christian refuges as muslim reven refuges. 38,901 muslims and 37,521 christians. kac >> the guy is a problem solving. how do you go about solving the problem? everybody talks about muslim ban and priority for christians. the reality is if krivens were overseas in christian majority countries chopping off the heads of muslims he would have a problem with that too and maybe the reverse situation. his bottom is line what is going on here? we need extreme vetting and i

think part of his -- >> i just got to say -- >> but it can go the other way too is what i'm saying. >> it has gone the other way and we as a country have spent through the clinton administration and also the bush administration, the clinton administration, and also the obama administration, we certainly have focused on helping muslim countries out more so, certainly than christian countries out. yes, it's a dangerous road. it's also a dangerous road to turn a blind eye to any group. >> by the way, that is my question. >> let -- >> i hear you. >> let me just finish what i'm going to say. anybody that argues that christians have -- have shouldered a disproportionate impact of isis cruelty are ignorant of what is happening in the middle east. that is just not the case. more muslims have died than any faith at the hands of isis and

you can look at the images of the jordanian pilot being burned. in fact, a certain place in hell isis believes for muslims that do not join their caliphate. mark halpern to follow up on what rick tyler said at the beginning. the bush administration, there would have been be protests but the bush administration or even the obama administration could have very easily explained a presidential order that focused on these seven countries. and the tightening up of what they are going to do for the next 90 days or on the next 120 days. in fact, barack obama did it and explained it. i think listening to rick talk about this makes you wonder just how badly the president's staff screwed this thing up and how

only fools rush in. and they rushed in on this and it caused, sean spicer can underplay it as much as he wants, but it caused chaos across the globe. >> chaos and also risks alienating allies that the president needs at home in both parties. donald trump tweeted, two sentences. there is nothing nice about searching for terrorists before they can enter or country. this was a big part of my campaign. both of those things are true. but if you go about doing it in a way that alienates people than you have to with mentality in the white house amongst some official the more negative coverage they get the more it proves they are doing it right. i think rick did make a good case on the merits of certain aspects of what they did but i think as he also said and i believe with both parts of what he said. if you do things that you think are right and you think you have a mandate for but do it in a way

that unnecessarily inflames allies and enemies around the world you're not doing yourself any favor and they certainly went out of their way as they have on several policy announcements to say to people within their own governments and abroad, were doing it our way and a thing thatoesn explain things fully. you can't make fundamental change with that explanation. >> david ignatius, again, we are actually -- we got the substance over here and everybody can debate the substance of bannon and they can debate -- the nsc makeup and they can debate the substance of this presidential order, but in both cases, this -- they did not have to have the chaos that joined this. let's take the nsc first. i talked -- i talked to a senior member of the president's national security team who was enraged as was the entire

national security team when they heard the chairman of the joint chiefs and dni was taken off. and he said, so i was on the phone. and it finally got cleared up that that actually wasn't the case. he said, but that was 12 hours of chaos that was unnecessary. and you could say the same thing about this travel ban. you could see barack obama go out, sell this ban and have some questions asked about it. but educate people first. >> there was needless confusion, i do think it damaged the president's ability to set his agenda. what mystified me, violence from immigrants, from refuges in the united states is not a significant problem. we have threats to our country. that is really not on the list. >> this trumps up the reception of the problem. >> what is a problem is people who are radicalized in our muslim communities who, once upon a time, would have gone to

the local police or gone to the phi fbi and i'm worried about this guy over here who sacking strange and now who will feel alienated and feel this isn't my country and won't do that. that is where the danger is. >> you wonder if you have a problem solver if the problem solver is briefed by his national security team on the scope of the problem. >> i have to push back. all of our reporting this weekend, all of it, suggests that the agency heads were left out in the dark until the very end and were not at the table and that steven miller, i keep saying his name because he is at the center of this story. he kept saying he didn't play the interagency game and they were going to be kept in the dark until the last possible moment. imagine, rick tyler, general kelly getting that message, that he has a 31, 32-year-old staffer

who thinks he is not going to talk to the head of the dhs, especially when that head is general kelly. that is not going to stand. >> it can't be that they knew about this. >> it was pretty audacious and did cause a lot of -- so imagine all of the things that were happening. were there green cards involved? yes or no. a boston judge made a decision and travelers rerouting their travel to land in boston so the green card holders to get into the united states because they get in boston where they might not be able to get into l.a. but look. in proportion, look. muslims, we have million of them in the united states and they worship freely. that is not true of these seven countries. christians are not allowed to worship freely or certainly a significant less degree. i would say to these protesters -- >> wow. look at this. >> i want to read this quickly. in proving that secretary john kelly was not in on this process from the very beginning.

he actually thankfully put this statement out last night. exempting green card holders from ban. in applying the provisions of the president's executive order, i hereby deem the entry of lawful permanent residents to be in the national interests. april, i have to underline this again because i keep bringing up his name. john kelly's dhs said that this weekend. >> yeah. >> and steven miller overwrote it. and said, no, we are not going to listen to the lawyers at secretary kelly's agency, that is in charge of this. i'm going to override it myself and overrode it. then you have secretary kelly having to come back in and put out that statement last night. >> a mess. >> to clean up the mess of a 31, 32-year-old staffer who said he wasn't going to listen to general kelly. >> joe, let me tell you this.

we had a foreshadowing this when donald trump was president-elect. many people from the national security community saying we are not at the table and we are concerned and it's more of a business approach and they were saying it could possibly be oil diplomacy. they were very concerned and what was the concern then is now evident now. i want to go back to something about muslims -- >> by the way, it was evident this weekend. >> yes. >> it will not be evident moving forward if -- >> you hope there is a lesson learned. you hope there is a lesson learned. >> if his national security team and what they told me over the weekend stands and i suspect it will. that they will not permit this to happen again. >> it is a lesson learned. back to another piece on muslims in this country. people who espouse the islamic faith. they have more to lose with all of this going on. >> right. >> muslim people that come prosecute from other nations to this nation fare better in this country than any other country around the world. and, therefore, they don't want

to see these kinds of things happen so a big concern about that. >> david, quickly. >> quickly i would say i think the challenge for president trump is to be able to balance. he wants to be a law and order president and a compassion element here. he does have compassion. there is that -- you know there is compassion there, joe. the question is how does he balance the two? >> law and order profiling. >> right. well, it's very important he is able to balance both. >> profiling, though. >> before we go to break, one other person chimed in among many late yesterday. senate foreign relations chairman bob corker released a statement saying this. the executive order has been poorly implemented, especially with respect to green card holders. the administration should immediately make appropriate reversions and it is my hope that many of these programs will be improved and reinstated. i should point out there is a procedural vote i believe today on rex tillerson. if corker wants to put muscle behind his words, that could be interesting. but that is how he feels about the top republican.

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so you put a religious test on muslims and try to scrub references to jews in the holocaust. i think all of these things are happening together. when you have the chief political adviser in the white house steve bannon who is connected with a news organization that traffics in white house supremacist and anti-semitism and put out a holocaust statement that omits any mengs of jews we have to remember this. this is what holocaust denial is. it's either to deny that it happened or many holocaust deniers acknowledge, oh, yeah, people were killed but it was a lot of innocent people. jews weren't targeted. the fact they did and impose a religious test on the muslims in executive orders on the same day is not a coincidence. >> that is tim kaine slamming the white house after the president' statement on

holocaust remembrance day and failed to make a specific mention to the jewish people. joining us from the white house is white house correspondent peter alexander. what is the white house saying about this? >> under different circumstance would y without the fire hose of news this would get more coverage. the last 24 hours we have heard from republican jewish groups and their coalition is not exactly fuming. they know what is in the heart of president trump he understands the suffering of 6 million jews suffering back then but describes it as an unfortunate admission. holocaust remembrance day is a remembrance and presidents referring to the suffering of the jewish people and it appeared to be just a mistake by the white house but then white house aides is insisted it was intentional. they say they basically are an inclusive group and they were trying to include all of those

affected by the suffering during the holocaust. here is how reince priebus, the chief of staff, described it. hardly apologetic. >> everybody's heart here is impacted by the terrible memory of that time. so, for the record, that is the case -- >> we don't mean ill will to anybody. no. >> no regret? not acknowledge being the pain? >> we acknowledge it. we acknowledge the horrible time of the holocaust. >> why watch -- >> history. >> why whitewash jews from that statement? >> i'm not. >> the statement did. >> i'm telling you now that is the way we feel about it and it's a terrible time in history. and, obviously, i think you know that president trump has dear family members that are jewish and there was no harm or ill will or offense intended by any of that. >> reporter: the conservative

commentator had harsh words as well and what he wrote in "commentary." he said the holocaust was about the jews and no crowd way to offer a remembrance of the holocaust that does not offer that world historical fact and to universalize it and to all who suffered is to scrub the holocaust of its meaning. from reince priebus and other aides here heard them refer to ivanka and her husband jared curb ner who kushner who is also jewish. >> bob costa what is interesting about this the fact that the trump administration has been criticized regarding israeli policy, it's that they have been too pro-israeli. that is why, i'm sorry, the evidence suggests that somebody just screwed up on the statement and they didn't -- >> how do you screw up on holocaust remembrance?

>> this goes to the inner workings of the white house and goes to the fact that there is not that one strong person leading everybody, that there are five, six, and i think "the new york times" reported this weekend -- bob, you know this. five, six different sort of power bases there and sometimes people don't talk to each other. i'm making no apologies for the white house. i'm saying they are condemned for being the most pro-israeli administration in some time even talking about moving to the capitol to jerusalem. it's hard to believe that somebody dau -- agaiidn't -- ga staffer dropped the ball and didn't want to admit it. >> there are real consequences for everyone single word that comes out of the white house. >> they need somebody with a little bit of white house

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it's america. >> joining us now from new york congressman founder of the international refugees project. >> i want to start with you. you claim the administration is not telling the truth about whether people are still being detained. what do you know and how do you know it. >> i watched sean spicer lying. we run a hotline for people to report for detentions. we can report people are held at

airports. at sfo they told the lawyers everyone had been released while the lawyers were sitting with family members waiting with relatives waiting for people to come out. >> do you know the names of the people being detained? >> we know some of the names, but many remain unnamed which is a direct violation because custom and boarders have to release the names of those held. >> you spent a lot of saturday working on this. a lot of unhappiness among democrats and republicans as well. realistically given the president's authority on these immigration issues, what can congress do? >> i think it will be the courts more than congress that will knock this down because it's stupid and unconstitutional and illegal what's being down so i think the courts will order this stopped. it's difficult to imagine what congress can do because it is illegal. it's unconstitutional to

discriminate on the basis of religion. it's illegal to discrimination on national origin or place of residence and they're violating those laws. >> congress could absolutely roll this back. under the law the president is required to seek the advice and consent on congress on how many refugees to let in each year. president trump invoked his emergency powers to invoke this but there's no direct threat that anyone can cite. congress spoke to those in the united states. >> i imagine that's coming. >> the judge before issuing a temporary restraining order

against deporting anyone nationwide said because the plaintiffs have a likelihood of success after a hearing. >> do you think this is at odds with what donald trump said he would do as a candidate. >> no i think it's in line of what he said as a candidate which is ban and target muslim immigrants. >> it is not only unconstitutional and illegal it's stupid. we depend for the safety of our troops on the cooperation of muslim communities abroad and in this country and this is telling the muslim community all over we are not to be trusted, we don't like you and corporate. >> thank you both. still ahead some are calling it a travel ban and others are calling it a refugee ban, but

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welcome to morning joe. with us we have political reporter for the washington post robert costa and editor for the washington post and white house correspondent july pace and law professor at george washington university. let's go to nashville where we have john meechum. >> the second weekend. it was just extraordinary. i don't think we've seen back-to-back weekends with the women's march last week and then this week. >> no. >> i don't think we've seen that in a very long time. >> and we had quite a weekend here trying to bring it all together and fully get the scope of what is happening and talking

to people on both sides of the aisle. >> we met with the president yesterday, but the might before met with members of barack obama's foreign policy team. democratic senators, i'm surprised by their reaction to this, as well as speaking to members of the president's foreign policy team. i think the biggest takeaway this weekend from all the discussions had to do from that foreign policy team who said basically we hope the staff, the young staff members at the white house enjoyed their time trying to make policy on their own without talking to us because that will never happen again. the chain, the exact quote is, the chain is tightening quickly. >> a few takeaways from the

meeting with the president? >> i think the biggest takeaway and one that took me a while to nail down was the fact that the white house claimed even yesterday afternoon -- and david, this is something that sent shock waves through the foreign policy community -- there had been the news breaking that the director of national intelligence and also the chairman of the joint chiefs were taken off the permanent nfc committee. a shocking admission. the white house claimed -- not the president, but his staff claimed that wasn't the case. if you looked at the language those were the only two statutorily required to be there on. they said we are adding bannon, but those two are staying on there. i will say it took me four hours to nail that down. i spent the next four hours on the phone saying i want this in writing because i'm not seeing it anywhere and four or five hours later they confirmed, yes, they are both on the permanent

committee, yes it's directed statutaril statutorily. why did stephen miller fight so hard to put out this order on friday without talking to any other agencies. bob costa will i'm sure report this it was stephen miller sitting in the white house saying we're not going to go to the other agencies or talk to the other lawyers. we're going to do this all alone. reporting will bare this out. you have a very young person in the white house on a power trip thinking you can write executive orders and tell your cabinet agencies to go to hell and washington's in an uproar this morning. forget about what's happening in the street because stephen miller decided he was going to do this without going through the process. >> you had a chance to talk to the president. did you have any sense that he felt that he had made a mistake, this immigration order friday

night has drawn a level of protests including ruling staying some of the effects that's unusual for our country. does the president have any sense that maybe i went off too quickly on this? maybe it's something i didn't see here? >> the president did not say that and he didn't suggest that, but those around him, you can tell, there had been discussions, and those around him i think believe that this got off very badly for several reasons. first of all, they didn't explain it to the media. they didn't communicate it properly. they didn't explain what it was and what it wasn't. and then, of course, the much larger problem was there was no vetting with the agencies. the president's feeling was this is what i promised people to do. in fact, we took the seven countries from barack obama's list from 2015 of the seven

countries that cause the biggest problems so we lifted the language from there. their feeling was it wasn't a president ban, we used obama's language. they're talking about the 45 majority muslim countries that weren't on this list. that's the sort of thing you don't talk about on sunday. that's the sort of thing you talk about last week while you're building up to this. >> for the key senior people, we think of general mattis of defense and general kelley of homeland security and rex tillerson presumably coming to state, was this a lesson for them they need to push back harder earlier to prevent political types at the white house from making mistakes that hurt the country. >> from the several that i spoke with, yes. this would not happen again and if this did happen again, the

president would have serious problems with his foreign policy team. they, as well as the entire government, everybody we talked to and we went to some of the events through the weekend -- we don't usually do working weekends. we are usually home with our kids. we said, okay, we're going to take a lot of meetings. there was shock, as you know, across the city friday night. i will tell you with this foreign policy team, they're ready for it to gel. none of these guys got where they got by engaging in guesswork or by running a sloppy -- having a sloppy management process. so my feeling that this is going to be the big discussion certainly between the foreign policy team and the president this week. >> and how this happens in the

future. just for the record, i urged compassion, we both did, as much as possible given as this was unfolding. let's lay it down. we sort of backed into it because of the meetings we had over the weekend and we want to be transparent about that. >> and some fascinating discussions we'll get to later. let me finish the sentence. >> go ahead. >> it's important. i was struck by the democratic senators' response. they are still jarred by the election result and i expected them to be far angrier in person and expected them to say we're going to get trump. no. they said at our retreat in west virginia when we talked to trump supporters, we have no doubt that the majority of america probably supports this and we have to figure out how to get our message to america to explain why these things that helped get donald trump elected

were wrong. their reaction far different than i expected. >> the white house is defending his n its new travel ban as homeland security scrambled to understand and enforce it and protesters rallied against it. the order signed at the defense department on friday suspended the refugee program and to prioritize refugee claims made on the basis of religious persecution provided the religion is a minority religion in the country. it denies entry to passport holders from seven countries, including those with dual nationality. the order asked the department of homeland security and the state department to determine what information is needed to vet travelers from those

countries before admitting them. on several occasions yesterday the white house said it based the list on seven countries identified by the obama administration. the wall street journal complaicomplaiexplains that the program allows people to travel to the u.s. or vacation without a visa and that a federal law passed in 2015 curtailed the program requiring anyone from the list of approved countries who has traveled to iran, iraq, sudan and syria to obtain a u.s. visa before entering the country. the department of homeland security added libya, so mol yeah and yemen to the list. we're going to get reactions from republicans in congress, but one goes to the question of whether the order was a muslim

ban. senator cotton writes itwrong t call the ban a religion test of any kind. i doubt the americans object to taking a harder look at foreigners from coming into our country from countries with known terror networks. there are over 40 countries in territories with a majority muslim population that were not included in the travel ban. still, confusion was rampant over who the executive order actually applied to and how to execute it. agency lawyers reviewed the eu, but the embassy reports it came out of the white house and did not go through the standard interagency process, a process that seeks input from lawyers and implementers. this led to say the very least apparent confusion for customs agents, which press secretary

sean spicer addressed yesterday. >> we didn't telegraph our position ahead of time to ensure people flooded in before it went into place. >> the problem is that the people that needed to know did not know. when it came to lawyers, whether it's at the state department or dhs, they're just -- if you look at the chaos that happened, i don't think anybody at this table is denying that donald trump didn't promise to do this, but if you look at the chaos that happened, it happened because they wrote -- whoever drafted this up wrote it like a seventh grader. it caused so much chaos that you had 5-year-olds trapped and separated from their mothers. all the chaos across the globe because they didn't go --

stephen miller didn't go through the interagency process. >> i spoke to ohio governor john kasich yesterday and i think his view reflected how a lot of politicians thought about this as a management question coming out of the white house. kasich was curious about how this unfolded and he brought up the point of this vacuum in the trump administration because the cabinet hasn't been put fully in place. the answer from the more populus wing of the white house is that stephen miller, 31 years old, steve bannon, there's this wing of the white house that throughout the transition, not just in the last few days, has been building up this immigration policy and regardless of the political consequences they were moving for. >> julie, the incompetence by

which stephen miller approximpu out without going through the interagency process, they had green cards. it bounced back and forth. you actually had stephen miller -- i won't even tell you what i'd like to call him. you had a 31-year-old kid actually overrule dhs lawyers overnight on green cards. then they had to go back the next morning. >> i was at the white house on friday right after the president signed this order, and we were trying to get clarity on specifically what countries this 90-day ban applied to, one of the basic tenants of this order. it took four hours to get an answer to the seven countries. we just wanted to be specific because this is a major order by the president. you don't want to put out an inaccurate list of countries. it took four hours. >> since they had the language that went back to what nick was reading earlier, why didn't they

hand the language to you and say this is the bill that republicans and democrats passed in 2015 and then these are the three countries that dhs added in 2016? >> as so many people know presidencies can rise and fall on your ability to communicate a complicated policy to the public. if you look at obamacare, obama could not explain what was happening. we're going to the second full week of this presidency and you're going to see i think a lo lot of pressure on this press e president to get in front of the public and try to defend this policy. >> and have his staff actually explain it. david, i learned in 1988 you never sneak up on the press. i always tell politicians that, never sneak up on the press. this white house certainly in

this case made the press guess, made the nation guess, made the world guess. instead of getting everything in order and then implementing. >> it confused the press. more moving i think to the country is that they confused thousands of people around the world who were trying to get to the united states. i just picked up from friends of mine people stuck in iran and stu uncertain what was going to happen. i think that's what caught the conscience of the country. that's why you saw thousands of people going to airports saying how can i help these people caught in something that was ill planned. >> the outpouring of compassion was extraordinary. >> that was the best thing about what happened. >> that was. >> the fact that people reacted and our courts reacted. up next we'll look at whether the courts will uphold

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we want to turn to the legal angle of all this right now, the judicial branch knocked back the president's travel ban over the weekend. four cases were brought in new york, massachusetts, washington state and virginia where judges issued orders to halt parts of the executive order. in brooklyn barring the deportation of those detained and in boston barring the removal and detention of the

passengers at logan airport. in virginia the ban applied to legal residents being held at dulles international airport. the ruling in seattle only applied to two detainees. federal law allows him to suspend all allins if he determines that their entry would be detrimental to the united states. >> a lot to sort through here. let's talk about the overall order and obviously there are going to be a lot of challenges and a lot are going to succeed, but let's first of all talk about the religious test and then also talk about -- was it a 1965 act that said you can't discriminate against an immigrant based on their country of origin. >> you have to put aside the merits of this and there's plenty of reasons to object. i don't think this was a good

idea, i think it was a terrible mista mistake, but legally that doesn't factor into it. the question is does the president have authority to restrict entry at the boarder and the president's power zen ith at the boarder. he has the advantage of putting aside objections, presidents have been allowed to do similar things. president obama last year told the supreme court courts should not second guess presidents on immigration. >> the white house had a ban in iraq when was that? >> 2011. >> for six months. >> that's right. >> will the trump administration use that as leverage. >> they have a lot to use. people have been underestimating the precedent that can be marshalled by the trump administration. he has the advantage on the law because the supreme court has recognized this type of

authority in a president to control these boarders. a court will not view this as a muslim ban, i don't expect them to. >> again, if you have seven of 50 muslim -- >> right. >> i do think and i've thought from the beginning they don't have a winning legal case there. what about, though, the nation of origin, though, you can't discriminate against immigrants. is there a possible win there? >> that gives you some good ground work to make a challenge. it will ultimately overcome the president's authority? probably not. presidents have said these regions are matters of concern. the president here is saying i want to freeze refugee entries until we can have a better vetting process. what you're asking a federal judge to do is substitute their judge for the president.

>> they won't do that, will they? >> likely not. >> is it a rational standard if there's a rational reason? >> the standard is very low. there was a case in the '70s in which a marksist was kept from coming into the country. he was being kept out because they didn't like his views. the supreme court upheld that decision and it did establish that the courts could review these types of questions. the standard was very low as to whether the president could state a bona fide reason. he has. you can disagree with it, but he has done that. >> it sounds like your opinion right now is that the courts will uphold the overall order? >> i think the odds are in his favor, but i think people need to argue against what is there, not what is more easy to attack. the aclu has said this is a muslim ban and that's a very -- that would be a great thing to challenge. it's not this thing. this is not a muslim ban.

a court is not going to read into it that this is a religious test because it excludes most of these other countries. there's plenty of reasons to object to this order. >> by the way, i didn't want to even get in front of that train this weekend becaus because #muslimban -- just about everybody was doing it, but i was thinking the courts will not be persuaded by this hashtag that it is -- legally it cannot be defined that way. >> that's the problem. when you look at this thing legally, it's a vastly different creature from what people are describing outside. that's dangerous because people are assuming this is one thing and arguing against it, when the courts are going to view it as different. the court is going to view the president has suspended entries with some, but not the majority of muslim countries and a judge

is not going to look at this and say i don't think the president's right on this. judges tend not to do that. >> thank you very much. coming up on morning joe, we're following breaking news from overnight. a massacre at a mosque in canada. we'll get a live report next. oh, look... ...another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works... ...in one week. with the... fastest retinol formula available. it's clinically proven to work on fine lines and... ...even deep wrinkles. "one week? that definitely works!" rapid wrinkle repair. and for dark spots, rapid tone repair. neutrogena®. "see what's possible."

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you had the prime minister of canada identify this as an act of terrorism. it's also had some implications elsewhere here in new york city. nypd stepping up patrols around area mosques. a very dangerous situation that is unfolding. back to you guys. >> thank you so much. coming up on morning joe. this executive order was mean spirited and unamerican. it was implemented in a way that created chaos and execution across the country and it will serve to bolden and inspire those around the globe who will do us harm. >> democrats slam the president's executive orders, but can they get on the same page to get the upper hand

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i think any time you do anything hugely successful, you're going to see protests. if nobody is disagreeing with what you're doing, then you're probably not doing anything that really matters in the scheme of things. i've spoken directly with folks at dhs and state and the guidance has never changed and the immigration order discusses immigrants and nonimmigrants. that means people entering on a permanent and temporary basis and the guidance have been the same. people who hold american green cards overseas are exempt in the executive order and will be processed through. >> wait, i'm sorry. i'm confused. somebody must have spiked my diet coke. >> that's okay. >> hold on. i heard him say it's always been the same.

i read reports all weekend and the dhs was very concerned because they actually -- the dhs said that green card holders were excluded and then stephen miller, the person you saw on your television screen, overwrote the lawyers at dhs which required general kelley to say get out of my way, green card holders are exempt. >> exactly. >> he lied on national television. go ahead, walter. >> this is going to be something that's going to be really big where somebody like general kelly cut out of the loop and done within the white house, this will be one of the big fissures in the white house. this is going to be between people who run the national security agencies such as the defense department and homeland

security and state and the people in the white house who are writing things without consulting them. >> i will say for the people that i spoke to this weekend outside of the white house that are part of donald trump's foreign policy team, it's gotten universal acclaim. they have all said, certainly the ones i spoke to this weekend said, that the chain has just been tightened. that will not happen again. >> if those senior officials who are going to make up what we're causing cabinet government, the strong group, are learning a lesson from this weekend that they have to be more proactive and they have to take a white house that is accident prone, making mistakes that are costly, and do more to intervene and make sure that good decisions are made. that's a good outcome from a bad

weekend. >> i know this is an inside game, but it's important to explain to our viewers that one of the most important things for a white house to do is to know how to coordinate the interagency game where you have to talk to the lawyers from all the departments. >> her father was an expert at that. >> he cut everybody out. he is a horrible example. >> it was a nixon white house. if you're going to go back historically that's where you had a hard core white house staff when nixon would go and work with kissinger and they'd cut out melvin land and secretary of state. >> we do not have a holderman in there with the power, at least based on what the new president has said, the power to cut out general mattis. >> no.

>> we keep learning from our reporting is that it's so important to have a relationship with president trump and one of the things that miller has an advantage on right now in this current dynamic is he was on the plane with trump throughout the campaign. >> you know who else was corey lewandowski. >> the buck stops here. i understand this young man thinks he runs the place, but let's bring in now congressman keith ellison of minnesota. good to have you on the show this morning. he's one of the people running for dnc chair. where do we begin first of all in terms of your party's reaction to the ban -- the travel ban and would you call it a muslim ban? >> it's absolutely a muslim ban. and more seriously it's a religiously based ban, which means they can pick on muslims today, but who are they going to

pick on tomorrow. >> it's not a ban on all muslims. >> wait a minute. they said they could add countries any time they want and we have to start with what donald trump said originally. he said he wanted a muslim ban. then he sent it to some lawyers and some folks to try to language it up so it could pass mustard, but the intent is very clear, it is a muslim ban. he was asked would it exclude other people and he said it would no the exclude people from other religions. this is a muslim ban and we should focus on that because that's new. >> congressman -- >> our country doesn't do that. >> i think there were over 40 majority muslim countries not on that list. >> what the congressman is saying he thinks they're open to adding more and that makes it a muslim ban. >> reince priebus said they're getting to other ones. >> the list of seven countries

that were selected came guidance from the obama administration, none of the countries were actually listed on this order, they were taken from the countries selected in 2015 and '16 from the obama administration, correct? >> but, joe, how can we say this is no tt a muslim ban when the president said he wanted a muslim ban. reince priebus said we could add more muslim countries as we go forward. he made that point very clear. i think the real point is not has this been executed in the best way, it clearly has not and it clearly is chaotic and he's not checking with the right sources and it's a mess as his whole campaign has been, but what he's doing is wrong. we have equal protection clause in our country which says that you cannot take one class of persons and treat them different from another class of persons. you cannot say in the first

clause of our first amendment says that congress shall not establish a single religion nor bridge the exercise thereof. religious tolerance is the core of american value. donald trump has broken that american value and that is the heart of the problem. >> i want to ask you, president trump speaks about this ban as an attempt to keep the united states safe. that really comes down in part to a question of what american-muslims think and their willingness to report on their friends and neighbors, report suspicious activity. what will be the effect on american-muslims as they get up today and think about this? >> people are afraid. there are people all over the country who saw that there was this mosque attack in canada and people really do feel that when the president green lights hatred of a particular group

that obviously the negative people will come out of the woodwork and do things that would not be socially acceptable like committing mass murder, but these things are sort of allowed when the very head of our country is saying things like we should have a muslim ban, that muslims a dangerous group of people amongst us. the refugees we're talking about here get screened 18 to 24 months. these people are under intense vetting already. this is not about american national security. this is about prejudice and about singling out people and we've got to keep the focus on what is really happening here. our country is in a japanese internment space and i hope folks really focus in on that. >> congressman keith ellison. we have breaking news. the president tweeting that he will be -- he will be announcing

the supreme court -- his supreme court selection tuesday at 8:00 p.m. so the pace continues. >> he did talk to a lot of senators. he even talked to some democratic senators, one of whom a woman said to him it would be nice if you got somebody that we could at least all be willing to support. he said maybe so, but not this time. so apparently he's going to go pretty strong the first time. >> we could say, robert costa, this was a calculated move to change the narrative, but actually if this is all he does over the next 24 hours, this will actually be the -- basically a slowing down. let's look at this again from 30,000 feet. the pace over the past ten days has been astronomical.

everybody in official washington i talked to said i cannot believe he's only been president for ten days. >> this decision is going to tell us so much about president trump. i'm told the short list is three names. you have the judge from pennsylvania and the judge from denver and judge pryor who is close to senator sessions. there is a push inside the white house i'm told to maybe have a more hard lined conservative as this nominee, but i'm told trump likes hardman's background. he drove a taxi cab through law school. >> haven't they proved their hard core pred over the first week. >> if pryor is the first choice. >> that will be a battle. >> it will be a war. the left will be lit up. >> i think if pryor is selected, i think we will see tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. one protest rally

morphing into another. now regarding the travel ban and thinking of what congressman ellison was saying, i think we need to stick to what we have. this is the president's statement about it. he says there are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority muslim that are not effected by this order. we will issue visas to all countries over we review policies over the next 90 days. i have feeling for the people involved in the humanitarian crisis in syria. my first priority is to protect and serve our country, but as president i will find ways to help all those who are suffering. >> the question is of course is this a temporary ban. >> this is a 90-day ban. >> then that will be easier to

justify. >> the question is does it make safer. i'm not going to pretend i know, but i think general mattis knows and different people -- >> general kelly knows. >> he is in charge of knowing. it would seem you would want their input because what general mattis has said we're going to have trouble. we're about to go into mosul and mosul is going to be a battle where we really are going to have problems because the iraqis aren't ready. we're going to have to be training the iraqis and at the same time we're about to go into this battle, it would seem you would want the defense secretary of state and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff to say will this hurt us. >> right. >> they're stuck holding it. we'll follow the story. let's turn to the world's market reaction to the ban.

>> good morning. investors are starting the week on edge and the immigration order that you've been talking about all morning is adding to the nervousness this morning. the feeling on wall street is investors want to see the pro-growth stimulus agenda carried out. that includes cutting corporate taxes, building infrastructure projects, rolling back regulations. they love the sound of that. it's what drove the dow up to 20,000 for the first time ever last week. the more immigration orders and protectionist moves we've been getting out of this white house not market friendly. political risk is on the table. companies are weighing in on this order. you know a lot of the tech companies have responded. starbucks ceo announcing that company plans to hire 10,000 refugees over five years in 75 countries. it's not just tech. niki sending an internal memo

saying nicn ni ke is against th order. this is a policy we do not support. a lot of those stocks are getting hit this morning. we're coming off a strong week. we're headed into a busy week. we have a fed meeting on wednesday and a jobs report on friday and a lot of big earnings. amazon, facebook and apple this week. we'll watch for commentary around this and other policy news guys. >> thank you very much. president trump spoke on the phone with vladimir putin over the weekend. we'll discuss that. >> also spoke with the king of saudi arabia and the crown prince of the uae. sively with the arm of your glasses. it is no longer eyewear,

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salvador. given everything that we've been talking about, i want to say how proud i am of my little baby who had the most mushy cheeks back then 21 years ago and now she's a grown woman. with us now former expecter of the wmd commission. what's your read on the putin call this weekend as well as the president's calls with the leaders of saudi arabia and the uae. >> i think the putin call was inclusive. it looks like he's trying to have a friendly relationship, he being donald trump, the president, but it remains to be seen what that means. i was happy to hear him at the press conference say we're not lifting sanctions right now and according to the statements that came out of the white house they didn't discuss that. >> he said it was too early. >> as a businessman he should

understand you don't give up your leverage before you get something in exchange. as far as the other conversations, i can only imagine that they may have expressed some concern about the muslim ban and how it might ultimately effect their countries, but i think we're in a difficult situation now. this president's going to have to do something to create some goodwill. >> is it possible these agency heads were for this travel ban? >> let me answer that. >> does it impact national security. >> no, they were not. not even close. we talked a couple of hours ago the president spoke to the saudi king and they agreed which is significant because of the chaos this weekend, about creating safe zones in syria and yemen. >> the crucial thing for the

saudis is being tough with iran and the saudis see the syrian war to take over a sunni country. they see in donald trump somebody who is prepared to stand up to iran and prepared to do safe zone. it's something that president obama never wanted to do. that theme resonates with the gulf much more than the question of whether he's anti-muslim. didn't presideutin push hard against trump doing safe zones and the russians don't want him to do safe zones. >> the fact that he's still willing to talk about it is more of a negotiating with putin than we might have thought a couple of months ago. >> i think from everything i heard this weekend the safe zones are coming. >> that is a priority to actually put the safe zones in syria especially and i've just got to believe a lot of that is

coming from general mattis who believes we as a country need to do more. >> president trump campaigned on it and you see everything he is doing is in line with early campaign statements he made. i don't see why he didn't set up the safe zones and put the ban in place. because these people are in limbo with this new executive order. it was done out of sequence and there is no imminent threat. i want to hear from the intelligence community about the threat, he could have put the safe zones in place and then addressed the visa issue. >> i think it's going to be about the supreme court. this is classic disruption from trump after a weekend of controversy and some chaos some would say. now it's all about the court. >> david. >> this weekend was a weekend of chaos, but it was also a weekend where we were reminded about the rule of law in america. we had courts across the country

say, no, this deportation order is illegal. we are a country of laws, not a country of men. we have been and we will be certainly not only for the next four years, but the next 200 years. you can't underestimate the images from the airports going out across the world and showing the true nature of america. >> i'm the child of hungarian refugees. they came here because the president felt guilty because we didn't intervene and didn't want war with the soviet union and his answers to those refugees was an executive order that said the united states military will help any people who want to come to america, transport them and then we provided food, shelter, education. >> that does it for us