but i hope it will be nice and i fully expect a lot of excitement. 7:00 to 8:00. from people who have strong feelings about the possibility of this president opening up an east-west war with the ban on travel from those seven countries, the signal it sends. it's not the media sending the signal. it's the fact that the executive order itself going throughout the world saying we don't want people here from seven arab countries. they don't like it. >> two hours from now. thank you for joining us. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's thursday, watch out for that first step, secretary tillerson. it's a doosy. tonight, welcome to the state department. rex tillerson. >> i am on the job. hi. >> how the trump brand of traditional diplomacy is complicating the new secretary's first day on the job.

a democrat's guide of what not to do in the age of trump. >> focusing on trump will only embolden him. shadow games, why i am obsessed with groundhog days. >> rise and shine. n't forget your booties. it's cd out there! this is "mtp daily." it starts right now. good evening. i am chuck todd here in walsh. welcome to "mtp daily." president trump's unpredictable actions on the world stage have spiralled into at least on the surface to some, what appears to be foreign policy chaos. is it real chaos, or is it just surface chaos? they've arguably inflamed tensions with both allies and enemies, unleashed a flood of leaks from inside the white house. they've confounded experts, frustrated some members of congress and angered diplomats. you could argue he was fulfilling some campaign promises. after two confrontational phone calls with allies, the president

today painted a dark picture of global instability while speaking at the traditional prayer breakfast in washington. >> the world is under serious, serious threat. in so many different ways. and i have never seen it so much and so openly as since i took the position of president. when you hear about the tough phone calls i am having, don't worry about it. just don't worry about it. they're tough. we have to be tough. it's time we're going to be a little tough, folks. we're taken advantage of by every nation in the world virtually. it's not going to happen anymore. >> that comes after details were leaked about president trump's first calls over the weekend with malcolm turnbull, the prime minister of australia. one of america's closest allies. both governments characterized the call as blunt and forth right, diplomatic code for blunt

and less than optimal. trump blasted the prime minister over a refugee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of lis electoral college win. the associated press was reporting that president trump told mexican president pena nieto he was ready to send u.s. troops to stop bad hombres. they claim it was not hostile in nature, just a straightforward conversation. switching from allies to enemies. after putting iran on notice yesterday for a ballistic missile test, iran responding saying, quote, if our enemies are frightened of our missiles they should seek shelter. officials saying u.s. could impose new sanctions on iran as early as tomorrow. all this falling on secretary of state rex tillerson's first day on the

job. his boss is arguably making relations harder with key allies, inflaming tensions with hostile governments. white house is leaking like a sieve on foreign policy. where are those leaks coming from? there is an iq investigation into the implementation of the president refugee's orders. evidence of growing dissent at the state department over white house policies. folks. mr. trump's temperament was a big question voters had about him. and after 13 days, it is a question that others are asking today. i am joined now by steven hadley, the assistant to bush 43 for national security affairs, that made him the principal foreign policy adviser to the president. national security adviser. pleasure to have you here. so you can paint a picture of what seems to be a bit chaotic right now. is that a fair picture? >> well, it's -- i think it's overdrawn, and i think you have

to put it into context. this is a president who was elected based on a populist movement, a political insurgency with a clear view that the status quo was not acceptable, was not working for many american people. and they came in a notion that they're going to turn over the table of the money-changers, if you will. i think that's what you've seen in terms of these executive orders. they wanted to come in very quickly and show that, consistent with the basis on which they campaigned and consistent with the promises they made to their base, of the people who elected them, put them in office, they were going to take bold action. and what you've seen in these executive orders, there are a lot of problems with them, they weren't thought through the way they should have been. rollout was poor -- >> that's what i want to get at here. >> look, this is a crew that came in saying we are going to make bold change. and the steps they have been taking are very predictable given how they campaigned and

the basis on which they we elected. >> that's important. there is nothing he's dne that is somehow counter to what he said he would do. iran and all this stuff. the question seems to be about process, about respect for the legislative branch, respect for allies, and the role that they play. so, for instance, walk me through how a call like the australian prime minister works. it is not just something you are picking up the phone. it is sort of pre-done. walk me through the process. >> it depends. you know, every president does it differently. and there are presidents who, you know, read their briefing point -- paper and have it in front of them and sort of check off the points as they reach them. and there are other presidents, particularly when they have an established relationship with a leader, that wing it and that you say mr. president, shall i brief you on this call, and he says, hadley, this is not my first rodeo, i think i can handle the call just fine. it depends.

and president trump is in the position of beginning to develop his relationship with these people, getting to know them and them getting to know him and what to expect from him. and i think he is trying to mix some reassurance and some toughness. as he said in the clip you played. you know, there is a new sheriff in town, and they're trying to send that message both to friends and potential adversaries. >> what's interesting about having you deal with the story and trying to explain it as an observer. the bush white house accused of too much foreign policy run out of the west wing, not enough input from the pentagon or from the state department, and there were always reports of growing pains and tensions. so some of this is natural. i get that. and the rivalries. but was there a point where maybe folks on the west wing reized, boy, in the bush white house, you can't run foreign policy from the west wing alone? >> well, i think you see that.

in this immigration and refugee order, for example. all the tasking goes to the secretary of homeland security, the director of national intelligence and the secretary of state. >> right. >> so it involves the agencies. people don't realize how long it takes an administration to get up and running. you have cabinet secretaries who are not confirmed, no the t in job. when i ran the deputies committee under bush 41. i didn't have anybody senate confirmed to show at my deputies committee meeting until may of the first year in office. they're stuck working out of the white house because the white house is the only thing that is staffed and functioning. >> let me go to policy. the president painted a pretty dark picture of the world. he seemed to imply that the more he has been in office, the -- almost the worse his outlook is about what's going on in the

world. you concur with this outlook? >> i think every president, when they come into office and start getting the intelligence briefings and starting to realize they are responsible for american foreign policy, begins to get a sense of how grim the picture is. i think that happened with president bush. i think with president obama particularly so because we were in the post 9/11 era. >> sure. >> i think this is very predictable that he would come in and say, yeah, it's probably worse than i thought, and now it's my responsibility. that has a pretty sobering effect. >> one thing, he believes it's worse than he thought. but do you -- do you look at the world, is it relatively stable or unstable? like, how do you -- how would you assess this? professor hadley. >> i think that there are more challenges for the united states w than probably anytime in recent memory. we -- we had a liberal international order that we

maintained after world war ii and through the end of the cold war. >> you think that's cracking? >> it is very much under challenge. >> should it be? >> russia and china. >> let me ask your opinion. >> iran and north korea. >> in your opinion should it be? president trump wants to. should it be? >> it is -- i think it is something that needs to be defended, it needs to be adapted and revitalized. i think it is actually in our long-term interests. i am not sure president trump and those people around him agree. this was the kind of discussion we should have had in this last presidential campaign. >> this was a real divide. >> we did not. and it is a conversation i think we need to have now. it goes down to the issue of what is the american role in the world and what are america's interests. should they be narrowly defined to our security and jobs? should be more broadly defined of america playing the role we've played in the world that i

would argue produced security for the united states and the globe as a whole. that's the debate we need to have in this country. >> perfect way to end. stephen hadley. i always learn something when you're on the show. four members of congress have spoken to the australian ambassador today following the president's contentious call with the australian prime minister. here is senator john mccain. >> we've had a close relationship with australia. they fought alongside us in wars, including losing over 500 brave australians in the vietnam war, which some of us remember. this, in my view, was an unnecessarand frankly harmful open dispute over an issue which is not nearly as important as united states-australian cooperation and working together, including training of our marines in australia and

other areas of military cooperation and intelligence. bringing in tonight's panel. matthew, editor in chief of the washington beast. held even -- helene cooper. international correspondent. >> stephen hadley basically saying remain calm. don't panic yet. to the world. what are we saying? >> i don't know what else stephen hadley can say in a situation like this. it's, again, another day of chaos. we have gone from no-drama obama to almost every single day chaos at a level i don't think anyone really anticipated, even during the presidential election. and you had said earlier that most of this was anticipated. i think most of it was. i don't know that we anticipated it coming this fast and furiously or that he would pick some fights that i don't think we anticipated. like, why fight with the

australians. one of the allies he signalled he was comfortable with. even joking about invading mexico. not the best thing to do. you can't over react because he'll continue to behave this way. we have to see how the rest of the policy unfolds. >> looking backwards, we should have taken him literally, not just seriously. right, matthew? >> paying attention to what he said he was going to do. jeb bush called him the chaos candidate. >> nailed it. >> he thrives on it. there are a lot of new york real estate typ and banking types whknow exactly what the prime minister of australia and the president of mexico are dealing with. this is trump's style. he will go big in the first call, in the first meeting. he is wanting to establish his dominance. >> right. >> and then -- and then maybe he'll ratchet it back because everything is transactional. everything is a deal.

including this refugee deal. so that's why he was getting in on the australians. he didn't like the deal. >> helene, the place is leaking like a sieve. i assume these aren't trump people leaking, no doubt about it. somebody described one of the leaks as an s.o.s. that it's clearly state department or pentagon people, who knows where. certainly the non-political types -- >> -- trump people who are also leaking. >> on the calls? >> not just on the calls but on other -- a lot of the other policy issues that are going on. >> what is the motivation for the leaks? >> that's hard to say. i certainly would not think that it's not trump people as well, because some of the stories, particularly that maggie haberman at the "new york times" has had. >> sure. >> definitely are coming from some of his inner circle. i think it's really -- i think it's really interesting, though. steve hadley clearly gave the let's take it down a notch. no need for hysteria. he is right there because there is a level of hysteria now that i think can be a little bit

dangerous. but this isn't a new york real estate conference room. this is the world. you know, these are -- the idea that we are picking fights with mexico and australia just seems, you know -- >> right. >> jim, it does feel as if he is not yet realizing how connected all of this is, right? australia, big part, number one, we base troops there, this is what we're doing as our new check on china. by the way, australi sends folks to -- that everything is more inter-connected and sometimes he's trying to compartmentalize every relationship. >> that indicates he is thinking at that level of complexity about it. he has been transactional throughout his life. we know that. he always wants to get a strong position in the beginning. doesn't feel that passionately about a lot of these issues so everything is negotiable with him. in terms of who is leaking?

put aside where the leaks came from. but i don't think he cares that much if people are leaking as long as they don't leak in a way that makes them bigger than him. he doesn't mind having factions compete. that's how his businesses ran. have the factions compete. he'll be the decider at the end of the day. his gut is better than yours. that's his view. >> what do you think the tolerance level -- i want to get at this -- you with congressional republicans and you with sort of the military and the state folks. to the ralletolerance level for long they can tolerate an operation -- a white house that operates this way? >> i think a lot of congressional republicans are already panicking. they don't understand trump. they don't understand the movement that brought him to office, and they don't understand the implementation of a lot of these policies. so there is already a lot of discussion. what that actually means in practice. >> right. >> i don't think it amounts to very much because they understand the republican party's fate is now tied to the fate of donald trump's

presidency. >> now what about the uniform in the pentagon, the foreign service professionals in the state that you deal with? >> i think president trump certainly has far more political capital to spend with the pentagon than he necessarily does with the state department. at the pentagon they are willing to give him much more of the benefit of the doubt because it tends to be more of a conservative democratic -- a conservative demographic than the state department, career diplomats tend to lean more liberal than the military does. that said, he spent quite a bit of that capital with the -- by executing the -- signing the muslim ban order in the hall of heroes at the pentagon. that did not go over well at all. >> mattis wasn't happy. >> mattis wasn't happy. the uniformed men in the room -- he was standing in front of people who have won the medal of honor, many of them immigrants himself. i was at the pentagon that day. that didn't go over well at all. he is already spending some of his political capital with the

military. >> never underestimate the capacity of people who have power or who want power to rationalize what might seem as irrational behavior. every political leader. why is every ceo continuing to meet with him? they understand it's better to be in the room with him doing business than it is fighting him. uber made a different decision looks like this afternoon and they'll pull out of the ceo council. that's a rarity. most are trying to play ball. most politicians will whine but play ball. >> i want to table the second discussion here because that was a fascinating development that i think gets at what is happening outside of washington here and the anti-trump wing of the country. you guys are staying with us. coming up, after a big loss in november, how do democrats move forward? i'll talk with former clinton campaign manager robby mook. this sunday on "meet the press," i sit down with the vice president, mike pence and i have exclusive interviews with house speaker paul ryan and nancy pelosi. a packed show! we'll be right back.

let's go to the principle presidential authority. does the president have a right to insist the people who work for the federal government agree with him. >> he has a right to form a team. >> i'm talking about the public service. >> agree with him on what? you make it sound like do they agree personally. he is the president. he a enacting policy on behalf of a nation. in this case he is calling for extreme vetting from seven countries that president obama first identified. all he did was take his lead. he didn't add to the list. it's the seven countries that were previously identified by president obama as being high-risk, as being states that either harbor, train, or export -- and/or export terrorism. these are narrowly prescribed and temporary. >> that was part of chris matthews' interview with white house counselor kellyanne conway at the white house, by the way. it's part of a special town hall. airing tonight an msnbc, the

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welcome back to "mtp daily." as the democratic party wrestles with how to take advantage of what appears to be growing energy among people working to resist president trump, there has also been plenty of post-election blame game. i sat down with robby mook. hillary clinton's 2016 campaign manager after two weekends in a row of taeanti-trump protests. started to ask him about where this passion was on the democratic side in the fall and whether it might have been useful for them during the actual election. >> a big lesson coming out of this is we cannot ever take a result for granted. i think, look, a lot of the polling was off in this campaign. i think it was taken for granted by everybody. you know, in the media and a lot

of the prognosticators that hillary was going to win. i think some people thought, i can vote third party or won't show up and it didn't matter. that has to be a permanent lesson for everybody for the rest of their lives. we have to turn out and vote. what matters now is the future. i think the fact that there is so much energy and so much activism is a great thing. we have got to focus it and apply the pressure where it's actually going to make a difference. that's on the hill. >> let me ask you this, though. can you organize it? or do the minute you organize it it's death? if you and the clintons got involved would people say, the establishment! >> it's a fair question. i don't think trying to mold or shape what's going on right now is the best thing. i think what we need to do is provide some direction. everybody needs to look at this closely and think about what is the best use of our energy and our time. i am absolutely convinced that's putting pressure on senators and particularly the house members. >> doing what?

what's theressure. explain the pressure. >> first of all, every member of congress should be holding a town hall during recess. they should give constituents the opportunity to make their voices heard. we need to show up at those meetings and make our voices heard. i was there in 2009. i saw what happened when people were angry, how it slowed things down. if the goal here is to prevent donald trump from moving forward with a lot of the very disturbing things he wants to do, congress is the place to get that done. just focusing on trump will only embolden him for the time being. >> let's talk about lessons you think you learned in trying to go after trump. you went with temp -- temperament. turned out not to be the right call. >> what we all need to focus on, in my view right now, is asking every day, is donald trump making a difference in your life? when he stops immigrants at the airport, how does that make a difference in your life?

>> should democrats ever work with him? >> i think that, if there is an actual opportunity to do something good, of course. >> let me ask you this. there is also -- this is what -- we at the nbc "wall street journal" poll, my team, we've concluded it was a failure of imagination on our part to find the route, to find the path for a trump victory. they were screaming it. they were going to the rust belt. failure of imagination on your part? >> i think that's fair. i think that, when we -- when -- we made a number of assumptions about which scenarios were more likely than others. there was always a pathway to victory. i did a video two weeks out saying donald trump can win this election. i don't think that -- let me put it this way. it was a doomsday scenario. i don't think it was a doomsday scenario. it was one of many scenarios. it shouldn't have been treated as doomsday. it should have been treated as a

possible path. what was special about this election was, boy, did the numbers move around a lot. i wish in retrospect i had seen that and say that's the reason to at every juncture plan for the worst possible scenario. it's hard when you're ten points up in michigan. >> when was the last time your data showed you were ten points up in michigan? >> until the comey letter. nine, ten points up consistently. >> two weeks before. he did the letter 11 days. you had data -- you didn't have -- it wasn't a poll. it was analytics. i understand you say it's similar but there are some differences. you claimed you thought you were up ten? >> absolutely. that's why we made the decisions we made. though we saw softness in michigan the whole time. we had four times as many staffers as obama did. moving forward in the politics, it's volatile. we can't plan for two, three-point spreads like we used

to. we have to plan for scenarios in different directions. that means being pessimistic. >> is it possible you had a candidate that was unelectable in those states? >> i don't think so. >> have you gone through that scenario in your head? >> i don't think so. there are scenarios we can't imagine now. what if the fbi had been candid about investigations for donald trump with him and russia. it was hard for hillary to talk about what she wanted to do for people. it was really hard. she was being tripped up every day on e-mails. wikileaks. >> what do you do about the debate inside the party? everybody will say you can do both, but the idea of identity politics versus how are you going to win back the working-class vote. this has been a tension. how do you deal with it? >> i think this is sometimes a false choice. if you stand up for working people in this country, whatever color their skin is or their

gender is oregon anythi anythin you're in the right zone. i think sometimes donald trump wants to paint those lines to divide the electorate. i don't think we should give in to that. this is about every american having a fair shot at opportunities. that's what these elections should be about. that's what our party is about. when we talk about the next elections, it's an opportunity to return to that. we cannot let our country get divided on race and gender and other lines. >> do you believe it was a free and fair election? >> i think that there were a lot of headwinds hillary faced. >> that doesn't answer the question. >> the result is finished. the result is fair and we need to respect the result. i think there was interventions by russia, james comey, the fbi. the leaks out of the field offices, those things were not fair. you know what, the result is where it is. all kinds of crazy things happen during elections and we need to

accept that and look at the future. >> robby mook. thank you for coming in. appreciate it. we edited it a little bit. we have more of the interview on our website including what robby says about rumors that clinton-world is blaming president obama for their loss. you can see all this at meet the press nbc.com. we also get into the weeds on the issue of is analytics a bit of hokie science. coming up, getting into a bit of scary technology that could make fake news start to look real. not just read real. stay tuned. e,... ...i was always searching for ways to manage my symptoms. i thought i had it covered. then i realized managing was all i was doing. when i finally told my doctor, he said humira was for people like me who have tried other medications,... but still experience the symptoms moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief... ...and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections...

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welcome back to "mtp daily." we have have talked a lot about fake news in the last few months. up until now fake news takes the form of text articles with quick-baiting headlines and oftentimes ridiculous claims. think comic pizza. a recent column in "vanity fair" lays out the argument that fake news is about to get a lot scarier and more difficult to identify. the writer, nick billton, who will join me explains advancements in audio and video technology are becoming so sophisticated that they'll be able to replicate real news, real tv broadcasts. so for instance -- or radio

interviews in unprecedented and truly indesipherable ways. you may not be able to believe even what you watch or hear. when a politician says something seemingly in their own words, it may have been faked. that's how blurred the line between real and fake could become. joining me now is the author of the column, nick billton. scared the living bejesus out of the my entire staff with this. let let's explain this technology. we have video clips here. explain the technology. it's developed by researchers from the university of nuremburg. institute for infomatics and stanford university. walk me through it. >> this is one of the technologies i talk about. what's actually happening with this technology. back up for a second. you could have done this for probably the last decade if you had a big hollywood studio and

millions of dollars at your disposal. what this technology does that's scary is it takes a typical clip off youtube and takes your phone or your laptop and takes your facial expressions, if i am smiling or looking sad, and replaces the face in the video with that. you could take donald trump talking about a shooting that happened and make him look like he is laughing. >> there is putin. >> who is probably laughing about a shooting. you could take any kind of video you want and completely manipulate it. you could change the audio with other technologies that i write about. this is just the beginning of this. you'll actually see these kinds of things show up on your twitter feed or elsewhere. >> let me -- now, that -- you saw the video. now you just brought up the audio. let me get this right. this is from the adobe max 2016 sneak peeks presentation, by the way. first we'll hear the original audio, a man talking about his wife. then the presenter will manipulate things in two different ways. let's see it and then we'll talk

about it, nick. >> i jumped on the bed. and -- and i kissed my dogs and my wife. >> let's remove the word my here. >> your secret is out. >> just type the wrd jordan. >> ooh! >> and here we go. >> and i kissed jordan and my dogs. >> we're not just going to do his words. we can actually type small phrases. so let's say -- okay, so remove those words, and we do three times. >> oh. >> and play back. >> and i kissed jordan three times. [ laughter ] >> oh! >> all right. it's no longer about a dog. we have just created, you know, some sort of news story that could imply an affair. >> you feed in essentially

fenway pa photo shop for audio. you can type in the words and have them say it. some of the examples i lay out for that, you could imagine a fake audio clip of trump and putin talking or pence and trump talking about how they're going to bomb china, making its way onto the internet. you will not know what's real and what's not. these are not technologies that will be for movie studios and so on. they will be actually for people in their homes. >> i have to ask you, nick, it feels like that, as this technology is being developed -- i can see why movie studios love it and i could see where my kids would have a lot of fun, you know, messing around with this. do we need tools developed to help us know when something has been altered. is there a way to embed something into the software so we know immediately it's been messed with? >> absolutely. a while back adobe got flak from the secret service because

people were using photo shop to scan dollar bills and creating fake dollar bills. they put a piece of software saying you can't scan currency from around the world. now there are phones and ipad and things you can download not vetted by the secret service and you can do that. there is a constant push forwards and backwards with technology. what's truly scary is this is just the beginning. during the 2020 election you'll see things in your feed that you won't know if are fake or real. you'll have a presidential candidate saying they're fake and they're real. i don't know where we'll be able to tell the difference. >> i guess that means we'll elect an avatar president at some point. i don't either. nick, i have to say i long for the days of max headroom. i'll put it that way. >> it's truly terrifying. the other thing that's really scary, when you look at artificial intelligence and how

that will manipulate these things. that's coming down the line where yowill be able to create clips on the fly and deliver them to people. i think the press is going to have a very difficult time discerning what's real and what is not during the next couple of years. >> the future is terrifying. >> it always is. >> nick, i appreciate it. thank you for coming on and explaining this new, fascinating and scary technology. we're keeping an eye on protests in new york. tonight many bodega owners closed their doors.

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council business leaders. uber have been feeling pressure about whether they would go. the reason they have pulled out of this council, reporters have pulled out. apparently travis thinking on this. he never met president trump, they thought it was an honor. but that based on the swift action by the white house it seems best to step down. they thought sending the message that uber approved of the policy changes. what i'm getting is we've seen protests movements this is to me, some what extraordinary. >> very extraordinary. if you look at where things were two weeks ago. -- see if they can work the

administration. the protests in this country have been so intense. you have soon with it google, and uber stepping out of this meetings. you have a conflict where you companies choosing sides. where you have tech companies say they are not not going to play ball. >> there are two different, it's interesting, take uber, a lot of their drivers are first generation immigrants, there is bottom up pressure they are feeling. the leaders prefer to do business with the president no matter who it is. >> of course, they would. you are seeing across the country,ing particularly on the east coast and companies -- the immigration policy sending the

letters to the company-wide letters to the employees we'll look after you. it reflects a lot of the, of the uneasy bubbling through the ranks. >> donald trump made a weird fit. i think a lot of that work that went to the original meeting was peter thiel, i do have to point out, i was not known as a supporter but every driver i ha had i washington, d.c. in the last year and a half have been pro-trump. and it comes out independent, i don't talk politics, it will come out. i think there maybe divergence between the ceo and the drivers. >> where does this end on uber's

part? >> one of the lesson business are learning is your much better to be in the room, to be negotiating with him. if you strike a hostile position from day one, they are not going to compromise. these are not the same people that have same -- that previous have had. which is not good for the economy -- >> reporter implied he pulled he, he is not going because he has a conflict. disney is not pulling out. >> i think that's true if you expect that this is a presidency that's going to last a full term. a lot of people do not necessarily believe that. i think that could -- >> that's a risky business. >> i agree. >> impeachment of a president.

>> a lot are not willing to pet on -- >> let me go the other way. we think we know how trump will react to this. it won't be good for the company. >> that he may go over them? >> yes. >> it's somewhat a risky movement a lot of companies are staffed about democratic donors. i'm not surprised -- >> on the silicon valley side? >> right. >> it's a sort of revolting in ways that are different. >> you guys are terrific today. unprecedented roadblock from senate democrats, wait it will you see this.

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