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governance, because someday we will have to prove that stuff like this actually happened, sometimes it happened all at once. that does it for us to tonight, we will see you again on monday, have an excellent weekend. go pats, now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> the most important ruling yet >> the most important ruling yet from a judge on executive order of immigration. this is a crushing blow to the president's executive order. it was a complete defeat for the president in a ruling written by a republican judge. also tonight, who calls donald donald trump a bloviaing ignoramus and who now is no longer working at fog news? bill o'reilly is still working at fox news, and he revealed to donald trump they're going to try to impeach you, and two weeks into the trump presidency we find ourselves wondering every day, what if president obama had done that?
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>> judge robart's decision effective immediately puts a halt to president trump's unconstitutional and unlawful executive order. >> politics has become a much bigger news than the super bowl. >> every day something new is happening. >> how anti-social do you have to be to not get along with [ bleep ] australia? >> we expect to be cutting a lot out of dodd frank. >> it might be good for banks and it might be good for wall street, but it's not good for citizens. >> melania trump will not move into the white house. man, donald trump is keeping immigrants out left and right. >> we have now embarked on a more serious policy confrontation with iran. >> today's sanctions really represent a very, very strong stand.
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>> iran is playing with fire, they don't appreciate how kind president obama was to them, not me. >> his belligerent tweets are going to get us closer to war. >> president trump will be moving the white house to the winter white house down at mar-a-lago. >> the opponents of the president's executive order on immigration now have the decisive court order they have been trying to win since these illegal cases started being brought last weekend. on monday, the state of washington became the first state to sue donald j. trump as a defendant for the president's executive order banning entry to the united states from seven countries, on wednesday, the president appeared on -- having no idea that just two days later, a federal judge would issue an historic ruling for bidding the enforcement of that
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executive order, by, quote, federal defendants and all their respective officers, agents, servants, employees acting in concert or participating with them. judge james robart who was appointed to the court by george w. bush said in a written ruling that this temporary restraining order is granted on a nationwide basis and prohibits enforcement of the executive order, at all united states borders and ports of entry pending further orders from this court. state attorney general bob ferguson said this about the judge's ruling. >> judge robart's decision, effective immediately, effective now, puts a halt to president trump's unconstitutional and unlawful executive order. i want to repeat that, it puts a stop to it immediately. nationwide.
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>> joining us now, jeremy stahl, and msnbc political analyst for the dailey beast. finally the federal government on the administration's side has surrendered officially to this federal judge the customs and boarder protection are now telling airlines to allow these passengers to board. >> the administration has to implement the judge's decision, but they will appeal. you can expect that they'll do so and probably on an expedited basis. they're going to try to get an appellate court to go back to their decision. it seems there's been different decisions in different courts. a massachusetts court had a somewhat different finding on this matter recently. but this could end up in the u.s. supreme court. this is what happens when you have sloppy, ill considered, basically incompetent policy making being done on the fly,
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you get these situations where more than 60,000 visa holders are in this crazy kind of limbo, which this judge found does what he called irreparable harm to the united states. because you have businesses, microsoft, amazon and washington state were involved in siding with the challenge to this policy because they are suffering from this policy. it's not just the individuals who can't get on a plane to come into this country. it's businesses and the united states as a whole, not to mention our democratic values. this is a big decision. it can't be attacked by trump as a political decision because it's a republican judge, so he can't say it's some liberal judge who's done this to me. and we're headed for a lot more litigation on this matter before its settled.
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>> jeremy, you have been following how these previous judicial orders have been being enforced and finding that there really hasn't been much followthrough in the agencies at the border, at the airports, to actually enforce the previous orders. this one is a much wider ranging order than any of the previous ones. what do we expect in actually upholding the judge's order at the border? >> it's a completely wide ranging order. it seems like a decisive temporary order and it's going to be apparently implemented and enforced the way that the previous orderings had not been. airlines are telling us that they had a conference call with the customs and border protection agency. and they said they're going back to the same rules that were in place before this executive order took place. that is a breaking report and something that i just saw before coming on here.
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so it's not definitive, but it's reuters is reporting, and they're generally pretty solid. >> isn't that exactly what's not been happening as a result of these judicial orders? >> exactly what this order and how the administration is responding to it is a big deal. previously they used a judicial loophole for not responding to court orders that pretty much demanded the exact same thing. what they had said before is the previous court orders say they reject those visas. so they're finally realizing that and backing down. >> jonathan, we have one u.s. attorney in one of these court cases say in open court that they -- as soon as these judges started to rule, they revoked 100,000 visas of people who were in these countries waiting to
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board aircraft and that's why we had lawyers in some of these foreign countries taking passengers to the airport every day trying to board planes in compliance with federal court orders and there's no information in the foreign airports that they're allowed to board planes. >> and remember sean spicer was saying there are only 109 people affected by this. it's not clear whether it's so,000 or 100,000, but there's a tremendous number of people that are affected by these decisions. the sweeping nature of this order is very striking. you know, the judge is not leaving a lot of wiggle room. it wasn't one of these kind of gray areas, he kind of slam dunked the government on this one, and they will appeal, but it's a little bit hard to
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imagine that an appellate court will reverse this. >> a written statement saying at the earliest possible time the department of justice plans to file an emergency stay of this outrageous order and defend the executive order of the president which we believable is lawful and he has the constitutional authority and authority to protect the american people. jeremy, we had immigration lawyers last weekend rushing into federal courts around the country in their clothing from dinner parties they were at and all sorts of different things, sitting there, in those courts, scribbling out handwritten arguments and in effect briefs in the most high speed emergency style we have ever seen, that were prevailing, that were winning. you would think that the u.s. justice department with offices around the country, their office in seattle would have been ready
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for a ruling that didn't go their way, especially since every ruling so far hasn't gone their way. and be ready with a much faster legal response as opposed to just a press release. >> well, the legal response so far has been to try to exploit ambiguities and loopholes as the administration saw them in the previous court orders and the previous restraining orders, and as jonathan said, there's not much room for wiggle room there, there's very little ambiguity as before. i had spoken to one of those attorneys you're talking about who had filed a lawsuit in los angeles, where a court order was issued, again restraining this and saying that imgrant visa holders should be allowed into los angeles. the court was not upholding it because there was some wiggle room in this order. she believed the only way she was going to get someone on a
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plane -- now airlines are saying, we are going to let people on planes. >> and we saw the acting attorney general of the united states fired this week because she said it looked to her like this was not a lawful executive order and she could see no legal theory by which to defend it. and it turns out her replacement has not yet found a theory to defend it. >> it's hard to imagine what that theory is. there are a lot of legal scholars to believe this is unconstitutional on its face, it clearly has discriminatory intent and it violates the establishment clause of the first amendment. we don't know where this is going, except in one respect. donald trump will issue some kind of tweet tomorrow morning, he usually issues tweets early on.
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and who knows where that's going to go. >> you have created the perfect introduction for our next scholar. stay with us for more on this breaking news. harvard law professor lawrence tribe will join us with his reaction to this stunning nationwide opinion written in a lawsuit brought first by the state of washington, that lawsuit was joined by the state of minnesota. these two states have now prevailed against the president of the united states. that means you can take a universe of data - in your case literally - and turn it into medical discoveries, diagnostic breakthroughs... ...proof that black holes collapse into one singularity. i don't know what that is. but yes. innovation runs on supercomputers... ...and supercomputers run on intel. you are super smart. and super busy.
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quoting from the order, it is but one of three equal branchs of our federal government, the judicial branch has exerted it's power once again tonight over the president of the united states. we will be right back with constitutional scholar lawrence tribe. ♪ (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light. do not go gentle into that good night.
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government. the court's intervention was to strike down the entirety of trump's executive order. we are joined by lawrence tribe, harvard law school professor. professor tribe, what is your reaction to this opinion tonight? >> i think it was historic and i think it was correct. clearly the administration has a different view, but i think when the dust settles, even a nine-member supreme court that included neil goresech that this law on its face violates due process, it's religious discrimination thinly disguised, it has numerous -- fifth amendment due process. what's really striking about the order is a couple of things that i think haven't yet been
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mentioned. one that the court recognized that the states have standing on behalf of their citizens and in particular on behalf of their universities, state universities, in particular because of the way in which the sweeping blacklist of people from seven designated countries prevents individuals from returning to the united states with visas that had otherwise been issued. that's important in part because it recognizes the context of state attorneys general, where that's in part a state of first impression, although the texas court that stayed the doca order by barack obama, took a similar approach. it's also extraordinarily important to note that the government's cancellation of 60
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to 100,000 visas in the dark of night, as it were, secretly, while litigation was being mounted in behalf of people who were being detained or sent back to their countries of origin was something that was done basically behind the backs of the courts. and now the question is, in what way can this order effectively resurrect visas that essentially were killed by the trump administration? on the one hand, it's possible to understand this order as automatically bringing back to life those visas. on the other hand, if you're one of the people who wants to come back to the united states and you have a visa the that the government told you it had cancelled, you may be in something of a quandry and something must be done to clarify the situation in order to give the decision of this
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court its full human impact. >> professor, i really want to go back over this one point because it's so unprecedented in my experience from where i sit. we have a group of cases ongoing in federal court, being brought in different jurisdictions, first brooklyn then boston then seattle, los angeles. they are about visas. that's part of the evidentiary base of the case. >> right. >> and secretly, unbeknownst to any of the judges in any of those cases, the government which is a party to the case, reaches into the evidence of the case and changes the evidence in effect by revoking these visas. i can't think of anything like that that a party like the federal government in cases like this would even conceive of doing under the watch of a judge. >> well, it would be very much as though president nixon had
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decided to burn the tapes, while his attorney was arguing not to reveal them. we have had examples of gangsters destroying evidence while the government is trying to pursue them, but usually they don't occupy the oval office. that's remarkable. i guess we'll soon be asking what did the president know, and when did he know it? was it bannon that directed all this to happen? we didn't yet have a full secretary of state representing the administration, although i have to go back to the chronology to see when tillerson was actually confirmed and when all of this happened. it's all happening so fast, that i confess i'm losing track of who was on first and who was on second. it will all get straightened out and it will get straightened out in a way that i cannot imagine makes this administration look
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anything other than lawless. >> those visas were revoked before rex tillerson took the oath of office, but you're right, we're going to get the autopsy on that and see clearly who reached into the state department and ordered that to happen. when president trump was inaugurated, twlrp states like california saying states were going to be the resistance, the attorney general of the state of new york saying that the attorney generals would be the resistance against this president. for a lot of us nonlawyers, it wasn't easy to understand what that meant. i think to you constitutional scholars it seemed clear, but now tonight, we are seeing what that type of legal resistance can mean. >> this is only the first of many such events. i mean take the sanctuary city situation, where it looks like
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the president is trying to yank money from states and cities that don't submit to the attempt on its part to discover all of the undocumented immigrants and potentially deport them. when states and cities say, you know, you can't make us affirmatively cooperate. you can't commandeer us under threat of taking all our money away, they are invoking classic states rights jurisprudence of a sort that used to be the favorite of the conservatives. i think we're going to learn that states rights can be part of a democracy, sort of part of an experiment in liberty and equality as well. >> professor lawrence tribe, thank you very much for joining us tonight on this historic night in the middle of these amazing cases, really appreciate you joining us. >> appreciate you calling.
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tonight is a huge victory for the aclu who's been in there in the courts fighting these cases, we're joined by anthony ram miro, did you expect seattle was going to be the place that the most sweeping place that a blanket order would finally be issued and we're reporting tonight is being accepted and most importantly enforced by the administration? >> it's wonderful. it's wonderful. the leadership from the attorney general in washington state, joined by his colleagues in minnesota really is significant for the litigation, not just out of that state, but for across the country. we have four lawsuits in various jurisdictions looking at the muslim ban. and no one ever knows, we may have filed the first one, but we never know which is the first one to really register on the merits, nor will we know which one is ultimately going to go before the supreme court.
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what is clear is that we're going to need this volume of litigation in many jurisdictions to keep the pressure on the trump administration, so the fact that attorneys general are jumping in, the fact that there are other public law groups, the aclu bringing these cases, it will serve us because clearly the law is on our side. and the more that we can rob the trump administration of momentum and ball them up in court and pepper them with these lawsuits as often as we can, the less likely they'll have the energy to implement the orders. >> and one thing we have seen in the sequence, is one in new york seemed a little narrow, the one in boston seemed to be a little bit broader. the los angeles seemed to be the broadest of all, and then it ran so enforcement difficulties and then seattle becomes the blanket ruling that is very clearly
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directed by the judge to cover all 50 states and you have to wonder how much did the judge in seattle, being the last one to rule in this sequence benefit from being able to see all these previous incremental rulings leading up to his. >> i think then the judges in other jurisdictions will leap frog off of the decision in seattle. as other judges rule, they'll get comfort from the ruling in seattle, and i think you'll see the jurisprudence evolve, public opinion is clearly on our side. already there are republican members of the senate, who are saying that the ban is not just un-american, but it's also unconstitutional. and so we need to put as much wood on this fire as we possibly can to make sure that this ban is not implemented. and it continues to be struck down. >> and have you ever said, i want to go back to this point we talked about with professor tribe.
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have you ever seen a situation in a case like this that u.s. attorneys will be a party to a situation where a branch of the government would in effect destroy the evidence in the case by revoking these pending visas for those people whose rights were being fought for in the courts? >> we saw it in the bush years wrrks these videotapes of harsh interrogation techniques were commanded to be destroyed. when -- there's evidence that might jeopardize their cases, all of a sudden we find that evidence might be destroyed. it is not necessarily surprising here. >> ant romero, thank you for joining us, i really appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> we'll be right back.
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decision of a washington state federal judge. this federal judge's decision is more comprehensive and wide ranging that any made in the last week by any of the federal judges in any of the other jurisdictions, we're now join by phone by the governor of the state of washington. you were with us two nights ago, basically announcing the beginning of this litigation without any idea what the next moment in it would be, here we are, 48 hours later, with a decisive ruling by this court, finding every single point of your argument to be valid and carrying the day against the president of the united states. >> yeah and i got to tell you that i'm proud that washington
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state had led the nation and helped the nation preserve basic american values and now allowed a president in washington, d.c. trample on those values and that's what this was. and by the way, this is a decisive decision, judges don't do this, courts don't do this lightly. this is a very powerful decision, it clearly recognized that imposing a religious test on admittance to the united states is antithcal and the donald trump administration could not show a single refugee that were admitted since september 11 that were involved in a single act of terrorism against an american citizen. this is not just important from a religious tolerance standpoint, at least in my book,
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from a common sense standpoint, the executive order banning students, microsoft employees, boeing employees from traveling to these country where is the countries did not attack you and did not impose executive action on the countries that did attack you. this was a powerful decision, it is a big night for the country and thank goodness the geniuses set up a system of checks and balances and this is when we need it more than ever with this president. >> and you're a former member of congress and pardon the expression a politician, and i would like to get just a political reaction from you out of the simple fact that judge james robart, who wrote this opinion was appointed to the bench by president george w. bush, most of the judges who have been ruling on this previously have been appointed to the bench by president obama.
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the political dynamics of this decision being written by a republican judge, what -- do you think that matters? >> i think it does in the public perception of this. obviously, the constitution ought to be blind to party. i think people do appropriately feel heartened that a bush republican appointee has made a decision in favor of the constitution. it has happened many times in the past. you know, warren burger certainly made a lot of decisions in brown versus board of education, that some of the folks in the party of whom appointed him, may not have been in the warring court, certainly, made decisions that their party didn't agree with. but you get courts that do follow their very strong commitment to the constitution. i think that's what happened tonight. and i'm glad it happened in seattle. and i'm glad it's nationwide. the whole country deserves this.
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and by the way, i talked about this a little the other night, but the reason this is an important decision too in my book, is it was a state as a plaintiff. this was not just one unfortunate immigrant whose own life was damaged. the whole state interest was damaged here, the whole state of washington has an interest in religious liberty, the whole state has an interest in a functioning economy, where we sell our technological goods average the world. the whole state has an interest in national security so we don't give isis a recur -- >> thank you for joining us wednesday night in bringing the nation's attention to this case and coming back for us again tonight on this victorious night for the state of washington, you, your attorney general. thank you, governor. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. what powers the digital world? communication.
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and so the first two weeks of the donald trump presidency come to a dramatic end tonight. and the question that keeps coming up every day of this presidency is, what if president obama had done that? eugene robinsonson, frank bruney and anna marie cox will join me for a review of the first two weeks.
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in this week's episode of "what if obama did that?" president trump checked out today for his first weekend in florida as president. no one has talked about how lazy president obama was every time he touched a basketball or a golf club. and nobody is talking about trump's trip to florida for nongovernmental pumps. and the one of the nagging
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critics of use of time -- every time president obama used air force one for vacationing. president barack obama's vacation is costing taxpayers millions of dollars. good thing that guy is not there to criticize president trump's flying down to florida for the w50ekd weekend. and not only did the white house issue a statement in holocaust remembrance day that did not mention jews being exterminated by hitler, but trump wrote a statement and that statement was blocked by the trump white house. what if obama did that? what if president obama refused to mention what happened to jewish people in the holocaust?
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and would not allow the state department to mention it what happened to the jewish verdicts of the holocaust? would impeachment hearings already be under way? a few jewish citizens corrected the historical record but they restrained from any -- what would the prime minister of israel have said? do you really think benjamin netanyahu would have remained silent about this as he did with the donald trump administration. or would he say it's something sin sinister in the -- pretends to be nonpartisan but they swooned for can date donald trump when he appeared at their apack did release this statement
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praising the president's new sanctions against iran. aipac issued a statement today praysing the trump administration for their activities. the trump administration claims they target 25 individuals and -- and at the end of the leakiest first two weeks of a presidency, some pharmaceutical company ceos revealed today that in their private meeting with the president, he seems to reverse his campaign pledges about controlling drug prices. >> if we negotiated the price of drugs, we would save $300 billion a year, okay? no, think of that. and we don't do it. you know why? because the senators and the congressmen and all these people get campaign contributions from the pharmaceutical companies, with me, i don't get anything,
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we're going out to bid, folks, believe me. >> "the washington post" reports today that the ceos attending that private meeting with the president this week say the president did not say a word about trying to control drug prices. joining us now fred bruney, anna marie cox and eugene robinson, poll lizzer prize winner. the ceos saying we got in a room and he didn't say a word about our prices. and there he was telling supporters every day on the campaign trail saying he was going to get in there and control drug prices, in effect. >> it's sort of like that saying, i think it's maya
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angelo, when someone tells you who they are, believe them. we have seen that with trump, a lot of it that's happened, we were told not to take literally not seriously, i don't know what the divide was, he's gone ahead and done. anything that sounded remotely appealing to people on the other side of the political spectrum, that's the stuff he's not going to do. anything that's horrifying he will do. and i did come up with some stuff that you didn't mention, i don't think you mentioned the botched raid in yemen, let's just say that tragedies happen and we don't really know what happened there. what's astounding about that raid is the decision to do it was made over dinner with political consultants in the room. can you imagine, to go back to your question about what if obama had done it, if obama had made a decision with axelrod and valerie jarrett weighing in, republicans would have had
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something to say about that. >> we're learning that the video released, that was supposed to be this raid was actually video from another raid ten years before and i mean we could easily do the hour with what if obama did that? >> what if obama did any of this stuff, lawrence? i think the contrast between the way president obama and other presidents were viewed and the way this president is viewed is going to emerge, it's going to dawn on people and sink in, i think, with time. but in terms of the first two weeks, you kind of have to pick greatest hits, there's obviously, or ungreatest hits, there's obviously the travel ban and the refugee ban, just an amazing affront to our values.
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-- there was the prayer for arnold schwarzenegger at the national prayer breakfast. and of course there was the rupturing of over relationship with australia, which really, really took some creativity, i think, that's a hard thing to pull off. >> and, frank, this is the white house in which frederick douglas is still alive? >> i was going to say i loved gene's lit any right there, but one of my favorites of the week was his meeting with a very small group of chosen black leaders in the white house for black history month. he turned black history month into trump appreciation day, instead of paying respect to the struggles of black people through time, he talked about his own struggles and his own hardships, what he deals with in terms of fake news, biassed journalism. what i continue to be absolutely
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mess rer mized and appalled by, is that the degree of self-congratulation, the magnitude of self-congratulation that existed on the campaign trail, has migrated totally into the trump administration. and we're looking at and listening to a president who does nothing but praise himself, it changes the entire view of the presidency and i think undercuts the moral authority of the office. >> i think we have to go to gene robinson's grown, when frank talked about the president meeting with these so-called leaders, go ahead, gene. >> that was -- what can you say about it, lawrence? >> you can just grown. if you want to leave it on the grown, gene, that's okay. >> frank said it eloquently, it was amazing.
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i was on the air the other night, i did invite president trump, i would be happy to take him over to anna costa here in washington and to walk through frederick douglas's house, which is part of the national parks system now and maybe we could -- it could be a learning moment, maybe. >> he even talked to them about what an unexpectedly high percentage of the black vote once black people listened to him. he got 10% of the black vote. >> actually, this is sort of bringing some of these things together, which is his alternate fact world and the constant assuaging of his ego, his so-called accomplishments of his ratings, attendance, of his voting record, people who turned out to vote for him. he's also blamed black people for not turning out.
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and he considers that a vote of his success. so this all comes together in a way to make the authoritarianism possible, it's another step towards that because it insulates him from the ramifications of his office, when he lives in this place where he's blessed and can do no wrong, he doesn't pay attention to what we have to say. he thinks it's all fake news, and that's a very fundamental tenant of democracy. >> anna, it sounds as if he doesn't listen to what anyone has to say, because his staff has been busy talking to him through the press. there's been a torrent of leaks, i think unprecedented in a new administration. all these stories sourced to senior administration officials just kind of trashing the way this white house is operating and the way this president is operating.
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>> the leaks are fascinating because we're just two weeks in, and there's a measure of the internal dissent. >> normally the most leak free leaks of a president's life. >> this is the most chaotic of operations. it's going to undermine everything they try to do. the people close to donald trump have that much doubt about him and undercut him by leaking to the media is a very astonishing sign. >> also the job approval numbers are just astonishing, a new cnn poll tonight saying 64% disapprove on job approval, 32% aprove the travel ban, 67 disapprove. 33% approve. the border wall, 29% disapprove, 79% disapproval. but the other overall numbers
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are also negative all the way through these polls, anna and one thing we know about presidential polls, historically, that's the high point in presidential polling for the rest of your life as president, it only goes down from here. >> presidents shouldn't govern according to polls, sometimes the right thing to do is not the popular thing to do, we should accept that, but it's a general barometer of where you're headed. but trump is not going to believe this stuff. he's obsessed with watching cable news, but he dismisses cable news, it's actually a kind of sick relationship in some ways that he has with the media,
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it's like a picking a scab, i wish i could come up with a less gross metaphor, but it's a pretty gross relationship. i think his -- i would say these leaks aren't about undercutting donald trump necessarily in the sense that they're about people inside the white house who want to save democracy, who want to protect what we have as a country, i think they're just out to get each other. you know, like this is just a sort of lord of the flies situation, that's not going to help anyone, it's going to help trump do what he wants to do, but it's not going to help us as a country prevent trump from doing what he wants to do in a democratic sense. >> bill o'reilly is leaking some of these personal communication with trump, including that he
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believes that they're going to try to impeach him. and bill o'reilly used to call him mr. potato head and now has to call him mr. president. it sounds like o'reilly resents that switch. >> i don't know what to say about him. >> if i can leave you speechless, my job is done. we're going to have to leave it there. frank bruney, anna marie cox, thank you all for joining us. tonight's breaking news from seattle, a federal judge basically crushing the president's executive order on immigration. (vo) maybe it was here,
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get a 4 week trial, plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. we're back with more of our breaking news coverage of this federal judge's order in seattle tonight, basically shutting down the president's order on immigration. jeremy, you were originally coming on the show tonight to tell us how the federal judges' orders that have prae preceded him have largely been ignored by people who are supposed to be enforcing these orders. and this federal judge seems to be aware of that and he is locking down every possible way that the administration could wiggle out of enforcing this. he very specifically says that this ruling is on a nationwide basis, which is normally implicit in federal judge's
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rulings, the way he issues that restraining order, he says it's against the defendants and all of their respective officers, agents, attorneys and persons acts in concert or participation with them. and jeremy, you can just see that he's trying to nail down every possible escape hatch that the administration might try to find in in ruling. >> it's the entire order, it's definitely comp hence si. for the moment, the department is backing down, the department of justice says they're already going to appeal this. but at this point, this ruling seems like it's going to basically, the restraining order, the stay is going to stay in place, another hearing will be held in a few weeks and at that point, this lawsuit is going to advance and i think in the next few days, you're going to see streams of people who were previously affected and blocked from coming into this
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country and pouring into airports and they're going to remain in limbo for the foreseeable future, because the appellate courts and most likely the supreme courts, it might go the other way and they would lose the possibility to re-enter this country. >> the risk for them really is, once they're in this country, they have to think very seriously about the risk of leaving this country if they want to come back to this country. >> the administration had argued this completely legally bogus that if you were in the country, your visa was valid, but if you were out of the country, they were invalid. today when they arrive in the country, they were valid. people are going to want to stay, they're not going want
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