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effective immediately, effective now puts a halt to president trump's unconstitutional and unlawful executive order. it is not the loudest voice that prevails in a courtroom. it's the constitution. >> good morning and welcome to am joy. last night was a big consequential moment that seemed to be coming fast and furious in the two-week-old prum president trump presidency. there was a halt nationwide to donald trump's ban on refugees and immigrants from seven muslim majority countries. the white house will appeal the ruling in a statement that first called the order outrageous, a word that was deleted from a later version of the statement by white house spokesman sean spicer. the opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law enforcement away from our country is ridiculous and will

be overturned. so-called judge. nbc's chief justice correspondent pete williams joins me now from d.c. the so-called judge is a federal judge who has halted this basically this ban on muslim migration. explain to us in lay terms what that means. >> well, i think we still don't quite know the answer to that question. there's a few little rough edges on it that we're still trying to work out. what it means is that the government is not enforcing the executive order which it just put into effect a week ago. what is 100% clear is this. if you're in one of those seven countries covered by the executive order, iran, iraq, libya, somalia, sudan, syria and yemen, and you have a visa, you can now board a flight to the u.s. or get on a ship or whatever and come to the u.s. and you will be allowed in, assuming there's nothing else in your background that would

prevent your entry and secondary inspection. for that purpose, it's as though the order never existed. the question is, the government said yesterday that some 60,000 visas that had been issued to people in those countries had been provisionally revoked so the big question now is you're looking at that number, earlier the justice department said 100,000, but 60,000 seems to be the better number when you omit other certain repetitions. what does it mean for the people who have those 60,000 visas that were revoked? as a result of the judge's order, are they know considered valid again or will they have to get them again? i don't think we know the answer to that question. the international air transport association, which seems to be putting out the most definitive guidance on this said there was a conference call last night with the government, with customs and border protection. it has in a message to airlines this statement. the state department has

rescinded its revocations of visas. based on what the industry is saying it heard from the government, the visas are valid again. but let's step back a little bit here, joy. the government is definitely going to appeal this order. maybe they'll get that done today. they'll go to a third circuit court of appeals panel. maybe that panel will rule over the weekend, maybe it will be monday. in the meantime, we're in a bit of a gray area here. there's always the risk if you have a visa that the third circuit or the ninth circuit will put a stay on the judge's order. if you were, for example a student here and you were thinking about going home and coming back, that still might be risky. >> yeah. thanks for helping us try to untangle and unpack this. the invaluable pete williams. thank you very much, appreciate it. >> executive order was, of course, the brainchild of one steve bannon. former chair of alt right haven breitbart.com. as of last week a permanent fixture on the national security

council. by the way, if have you heard the term that's being thrown around lately. it's government by the worst people. kackist okay rah rah si. anchor and correspondent. kurt bar dell owe, former consultant for breitbart media. thank you all. elizabeth, i want to start on the last part. there is still a certain amount of uncertainty in regards to someone trying to get off a plane today. unpack for us in real world terms for those who think they have a valid visa on a flight to jfk airport right now. >> if they have a valid visa and given the ruling that we saw from the seattle judge blocking the main parts of the trump travel refugee ban, they should be fined, but of course we've

seen some resistance in just the past week of some of the airport officials to comply with rulings from the court. what we're hearing initially is that they are complying. the airlines are saying that people who have proper visas and tickets are getting on the planes again. it seems like everything is going fine in that regard. because it's important to note that this ruling from this judge in washington is nationwide. and it blocks these key provisions of the travel ban going into effect immediately. so the trump administration can claim that the order is outrageous or whatever. and they can try to appeal. right now that order is blocked, absolutely. the judge stood up and said, the president is not above the law. you have to comply with the constitution. you can't have these un-american, unconstitutional provisions that discriminate against people of a certain religion. >> i have to stay with you one moment, elizabeth and get your comment on this so-called judge by the president of the united

states. your thoughts. >> that's extraordinary. the judge himself invoked the important role of the courts in our three-branch system of government as being able to stand up for the konts constituti constitution. we're going to want to know that trump's nominee to the supreme court himself will stand up to frankly judicial bullying that we've seen from trump and in the past judge cure yell. >> let's talk about steve bannon. he seems to be the driving force bend a lot of these policy ideas and really keeping donald trump's personality the way it is, rather than trying to mod late a little bit. a couple of little items from this "time" magazine, extraordinary "time" magazine cover story with this evil picture of bannon on the cover. talk about how bannon doesn't want trump to be ayu nighter. he helps trump remember that he -- nor did he offer to heal our divisions in the manner of

barack obama. he crafts himself as a defender of the forgotten people which places in his sights those with powerful names that you already know. trump this is in the last post as a businessman has always aimed at disruption in the goal -- with the goal of an eventual handshake, the deal. bannon in films and radio shows has shown an apocalyptic bend. when we talk about that, from a time piece historian from a film generation zero, said this about being interviewed for a documentary. he said he was taken aback when bannon was argues that the current phase of history -- i remember him saying, well look you have the american revolution, then you have the civil war and then the second world war and he wanted me to say that on camera and he refused because he thought that was wacky. let's go to you kurt. you know bannon.

he seems to be obsessed with this book that talks about american history as these turngs, the four turning. what cycles talk about america's rendezvous in history. he's a cranky conspiracy theorist. does that worry you in this administration? >> he started out working at goldman sachs. that's about as establishment as you could possibly be. over time, trying to get that acceptance really from that mainstream world, not getting it, being rejected by it, in fact, it seems. because of that, developing some sort of massive inferiority complex to try to prove all these people wrong who didn't let him sit at the cool kids' table and now he's running this type of country that's really about getting payback against all of those people. it's very petty. he found in donald trump the perfect vehicle, to channel all of that resentment and try to

steer national policy around. it's incredibly disturbing when someone is put in this position of power, given access and decision-making authority who doesn't have any regard for process. for legality. for what should actually be a diligence before imposing sweeping policy changes that affect thousands of people's lives, when you don't have that type of respect or knowledge for that type of institution and you would rather blow it all up, the chaos that we've had the last two weeks and it's hard to believe it's been two weeks. that's going to be par for the course going forward. >> i want to play for you guys just so that you really understand who we're dealing with. this person, i remember when each on this show, republicans would say i don't know who steve bannon is. i've never heard of him. we have no idea who that is. now he's running the trump administration. i want to play a equip from one of his films called generation zero and it's talking about the fourth turning he thinks we're in now. he's on the national security council and is whispering into

the president's ear. this is what he thinks. play the clip. >> now, history teaches that usually third turnings finally issue into a fourth turning. a fourth turning is the crisis. history shows that if an event doesn't trigger a fourth turning, a fourth turning leader will actually encourage one to happen or one will simply hit us because of the deferred public decisions that weren't made during the recent third turning. >> he also said in the "time" magazine article that he's repeatedly said on his radio show, he did like an online radio show for breitbart. we're at war with radical jihadi. this is an existential war that is likely going to be a major shooting war. war with china may also be looming. should we be as afraid as i am? >> two things about him. staff for -- are supposed to

temper them. you know this personally. they want to react to everything. >> yep. >> the staff is responsible for saying, you know what, you should probably stay out of this one. steve bannon encourages the worst parts of donald trump. >> yep. >> at the same time, what he's very good at and we saw this in the last two months of the campaign, he didn't really exist. those stories that came out initially, he's good at staying under the radar. it's harder in the white house. but he's also in the right circumstances, to tell trump to calm down. that's what should make people nervous. people expect him to blow up everything. he's smart enough to think about the long gain. >> beyond his apocalyptic world view of -- there's a racially ugly, i'll say it that way, aspect to his belief system. i want to play one other clip. this is bannon talking to, i believe it's steven miller, who is one of the proteges of the

white supremacist, to richard spencer, quite frankly, who is also a big influence in the white house. this is from breitbart in 2016. this is him talking to steven miller. >> now you got all the engineering schools people from south asia and east asia. do people have problem with those folks. they've come in to take these jobs. isn't the beating heart of this problem right now the real beating heart of it of what we've got to get sorted here is not illegal immigration as horrific as that is and it's horrific. it's overwhelmed the country is that not the beating heart of this problem. >> it's mind-boggling. it's important to understand that historically speaking immigration is supposed to be interrupted with periods of assimilation and integration. >> so ali, it's not their --

it's their opposition to legal, not illegal, but legal immigration because they t there's too many southeast asians coming in. >> it's more specific than that. there's people who are not white emigrating to america. it tends to be a lot of people from south asia and east asia. so first of all, the islam thing, it's interesting to note, while it is a very, very serious problem in the world today, it's just not existential. it's simply not existential. climate change is extension. weer we're not going to disappear because of al qaeda or isis. a lot of these students come here to america, they don't actually get to stay. but if they do get to stay on a visa, they are earning out of university $100,000 a year which leads one to believe there is remarkable demand for these people. during the election, donald trump said that he can get the economy to grow four, five or

six percent. steve mnuchin said 3 by the way. i'll grow an afro by the time 6 percent. you require more immigration. we're working as productively as we can. we're all on our phones, working 20 hours a day. you need more people when you have a stable birth rate. western europe around the united states has. we should be thinking about this. i'm from canada. canada loves it when donald trump and steve bannon say these things. those south asians with engineering degrees, they go to canada and give canada skilled immigration. it's economically unsound what he's saying. it does reflect a fear of brownish, beigish, blackish and other colors of people. that's what it is. he's not talking about immigration from white countries. this is age old rhetoric that's always used when you don't want your white country going a different color. >> absolutely.

keep an eye on that triumph vir at. steve bannon, steven miller and general michael flynn. they all share this ideogy. they are running this government. thank you all. suddenly senator mitch mcconnell thinks it's imperative we nominate a supreme court justice. richard blumenthal of the judiciary committee joins me live to weigh in next. happy anniversary dinner, darlin'

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i asked that they put merrick garland to the supreme court. so they can take his seat to fully participate in his work for the american people this

fall. he is the right man for the job. he deserves to be confirmed. i could not be prouder of the work that he has already done on behalf of the american people. he deserves our thanks and he deserves a fair hearing. >> it was 10 and a half months ago that president barack obama nominate merrick garland to the supreme court. do you remember what happened afterwards? absolutely nothing. he never got that senate hearing or full senate vote. the confirmation process stipulates. he got nothing. not even meetings with republican senators. why? >> the president's constitutional right to nominate a supreme court justice and it is the senate's constitutional right to act as a check on a president and withhold its consent. as chairman grassley declared and reiterated personally to

president obama, the senate will continue to observe the biden rule so that the american people have a voice in this momentous decision. >> now let's fast forward to tuesday night when donald trump announced neil gorsuch as his supreme court nominee. what's mitch mcdonneconnell say now? >> the senate should respect and result of the election and treat this newly elected president's nominee in the same way the nominees of other newly elected presidents have been treated. >> joining me now is richard blumenthal. senator, thank you for being here. >> thank you, joy. >> it looks like blatant hypocrisy on the part of republicans. wouldn't even meet with merrick garland when he was nominated by barack obama. how do your republican colleagues explain why they are suddenly demanding that the democrats cooperate with them on getting gorsuch through?

>> we cannot forget the way that the republican leadership absolutely betrayed our constitutional duty to advise -- to have a hearing and a vote. they really stole the seat. i think it is that bluntly true. neil gorsuch will have a hearing and a vote. i will be present at the hearing. i'm going to be asking tough questions. i have grave reservations about this nomination and we have available and we will use and our republican colleagues will recognize that we will use every tool to block this nomination if we conclude he's out of the mainstream. they need to recognize also that that advise and consent function that mitch mcconnell mentioned works both ways and we need to be a responsible check to assure that the judiciary's independent and this bullying that donald

trump is doing through his administration, calling the judge so-called, calling the ruling outrageous threatens the independence of the judiciary and this process will be a test of that independence. why should democrats give gorsuch a hearing at all? why should democrats meet with him and give him any more courtesy if the seat has been stolen? why are democrats cooperating at all? why are you going to participate in those hearings? >> we have a constitutional duty. just because the republicans betrayed and violated their duty, in my view, gives us no right to tell the american people, we're just going to trash the constitution as the republicans did. two wrongs don't make a right. the simple blunt political truth is, they control process, so they can have a hearing in any event. >> a lot of the democratic voters believe this is why the democrats don't win. they try to do the right thing

and republicans just roll over you guys. they're never going to play by the rules. every time a democratic president puts up a supreme court nominee, they will do anything on earth. you had john mccain threatening to keep the seat open for four years if hillary clinton won. why is it that democrats don't play the same game republicans do. republicans would not have given hillary clinton a nominee that she puts forth, probably even a hearing. we are playing by the same rules. we are going to use those rules as the republicans did to block this nominee if we conclude he's out of the mainstream. many of us have those grave concerns. this supreme court nomination is to the highest court in the land, it's for a lifetime appointment. we need to consider it seriously. i recognize that a lot of folks feel the seat was stolen. i share that view. we have an obligation to block the nomination if we conclude this person is unfit or any

other person because the supreme court is different from a cabinet nomination. 60-vote rule should apply and we will use every tool to block this nomination for as long as is necessary if we:clued he's out of the mainstream. >> do you feel they'll pull the nuclear option and make all of the -- 51 votes. >> as of today, they're talking about the nuclear option, but i believe we would have the votes to defeat an effort to change the rules, which is what the nuclear option is and make the nomination subject to a 50-vote majority. the reason is, i think number one the republicans recognize the shoe can always be on the other foot and number two, that the supreme court ought to be given the importance it deserves. there shouldn't be a razor thin majority for it to be confirmed. it ought to be a bipartisan consensus. i have doubts that there will be

any bipartisan coensus. to go back to that question, joy, i think it is imperative for people understanding we're going to fight as long and hard as possible. but we're going to comply with the constitution. >> thank you very much. appreciate your time, senator richard blumenthal. appreciate it. >> thank you. want to bring in former senior adviser to barack obama and katon dawson. >> you heard the senator. democrats are going to play by the rules. i think fundamentally, the democratic and republican party play two completely different games here and republicans are winning at total obstruction. democrats are refusing to try it. >> certainly the republicans succeeded last year when they blocked the nomination, didn't have any hearings or do their jobs. every individual in that body has sworn to uphold the constitution. what's important is to look at the contrast. what we need is a president who respect judges. when you say a so-called judge, that's a threat to what we're thinking about.

i think any president, this isn't democrat or republican. any president should say the judge ruled, i'll appeal t i'll follow the order. we need to see a way in which there's respect for the way the constitution works and respect for judges that's under question right now. >> if we put up the confirmation chart how long people waited for confirmation days. merrick garland waited longer. others -- robert bourque waited -- it happened in november of 1987 at the end of reagan's term. katon, you have republicans willing to -- john mccain was willing to keep the seat open for four years to keep hillary clinton from nominating a supreme court justice. republicans don't seem to worry about waiting for this. >> i appreciate the thought. but neither did harry reid when

he started changing the thresholds. my senator, lindsey graham stood up and was booed in south carolina and said folks once you start changing the rules -- here are the consequences. certainly, they're going to use the 51 threshold to suspend the rules of the senate and they're going to get this justice confirmed. but at the end of the day, we're in a partisan country, it's split down the middle. i think republicans are going to -- are ecstatic over this pick by president trump. both president obama did 329 and judges, both did two supreme court justices. at the end of the day, it looks like donald trump might get to do two supreme court justices. nobody is going to join up and come together on this one. they're going to vote to block this supreme court justice pick and the republicans are going to

go to the nuclear option and do the 51 and move through the process. >> i've got to say this biden rule that's cited by republicans to justify what they're doing. this is a speech than joe biden gave as chairman of the judiciary committee in 1992. this is what republicans are referencing when they talk about the biden rule. take a listen. >> so long as the public continues to split its confidence between the branches, compromise is the responsible course both for the white house and for the senate. therefore, i stand by my position, mr. president, if the president consults and cooperates with the senate or moderates his selections absent consultation, then his nominees may enjoy my support as did kennedy and sue due. >> doesn't sound like he was saying don't confirm anyone in the fourth period of a president's term. there was a specific objection

to robert borg to caused them to say no. why are they trying to hang this biden rule around democrats' necks? >> it's policy. are they going to individuals and consent. last year they didn't do their jobs. the question is how to do your job going forward. that means there's the possibility of the filibuster. that's the long-stding tradition. if democrats can do that, then fine. if they can succeed. if republicans can override that -- they need to not act like there aren't the responsibilities. that's what's important. >> i feel like the normal rules of governance is out the window. we're operating in a weird environment. we'll be back later in the show. some senate democrats are fighting back against donald trump. is it enough. stay with us.

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you ought to come here and express yourself here and then vote one way or the other. >> that's an interesting take from orrin hatch whose republican party had a different idea of how congress should treat the president when that president's name was barack obama. but with donald trump in the white house, democrats who generally don't believe in total obstruction the way republicans do have struggled to figure out how to respond to the rapid fire trump reality show and the protests sweeping the country. demanding that they stand up to the absolute power wielded by republicans in washington. what should democrats do? >> joining me now, move on.org -- katon dawson, crisco feen is and scott dore kin, thank you all for being here. i want to start with those of you who want the democrats to fight to the death.

we're matching again colorwise. what should democrats do? orrin hatch think they ought to shape up and sit down and cooperate? >> it's really amazing to hear. republicans are -- when they don't have the white house, there's one set of rules. when the republicans have the white house, it's a whole different set of rules. if anything, what democrats should learn from republicans is when you obstruct, you lose nothing as we saw republicans do for eight years under barack obama. look, as you were alluding to, joy, i believe that democrats need to stand up. this is not business as usual. these are not normal times. this is that moment in history that will be looked back upon. if you can't do -- if democrats don't do everything that they need to stand up and stop, use every procedural power that they have, not much, but use it to stop what's going on, then we're going to look back at this and it's going to be catastrophic. i mean, we have a president, we

have donald trump who believes that in order to make policy, he needs to target the most vulnerable brothers and sisters that we have in this country, that is not way to make policy. democrats need to stand up. >> the things that donald trump is do signing an executive order that will essentially unleash wall street to cheat their customers, they should at least take it into consideration the best interests of their clients, all of these attacks on public assistance that you know are coming and they are targeting immigrants, they're going to hurt poor american children, they're targeting people, democrats supposedly represent. let's look at a couple of things democrats are saying. senator from -- where are senate finance dems this morning standing with the people of ohio and others hurt by the abusive practices of the bank where they boycotted the steven mnuchin hearings. on facebook on wednesday, democrats are going to keep fighting back and stand with

people across the country and -- do you get the sense that they believe either of those two things are happening? >> i would say that the democratic party clearly is strongly coming out and opposing trump. you're seeing that at the grassroots level and the congressional level. i think there's obviously some power to that and given trump's -- i mean, he is wasn't kidding around when he was saying what he was going to do. it's clear that he was very honest about i'm going to be an extreme president. he's proving it every day. so i'm not sure how you can be a democrat and -- you have to oppose that with conviction. the challenge that we have that i'm still not ego owe our passion is so much into opposing as it should be with so many of

these actions the president is taking. we have to have clarity about what we are for. if he's going to be this so-called america first, my perspective is we've got to be this idea of family first. he is attacking the most vulnerable. it's not just in the financial area. the story i remember reading last week was about scott walker advising the white housebout going after unions. the irony is he is trying to actually weaken and attack the very many of the people who voted for him. but we've got to make that message clear and right now it's not coming out. i'm not saying that's necessarily a weakness yet. but at some point it will be. >> katon, that's been my question. what is the breaking point for the trump voter? they don't seem to mind he has this billionaire cabinet. they don't seem to mind he seems to be giving huge gifts to wall street who he said he despised during the campaign. they don't seem to mind

anything. is there a point that -- between your voters that republicans are harming families or is that a waste of time should they be practicing base politics the way that your party does? >> not maybe give the democrats or the democratic party a lot of advice, but what i would tell you is history repeats itself and go back to george bush. two years we had the house and the senate and our party got disaffected. we started spending money and our voters stay home and we had to retool and re-elect the president. fast forward to barack obama. one thing that he -- that barack obama did that we admired as political activists and political consultants, he tried to do what he said he was going to do when he got elected both times. to our shock and dismay, we lost both times. donald trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. i'm not surprised. i'm going to throw the politics into this and explain to the democratic party, they've got 25

u.s. senate seats up in 2018. the fundraising is already started. they have the opportunity to do a lot of methods. i agree with the other panelists. i can't tell you what the other message is. i can tell you there's an open congressional seat coming in south carolina that we've pulled into the base to see. our base is overwhelmingly supportive of donald trump. when you practice base politics, you avoid primaries where there are contested primaries. donald trump won overwhelmingly in those seats coming up. the first concern the democratic party better have is how to protect 25 u.s. senate seats with donald trump getting stronger in his base right now. >> scott, that is the reason that you see a lot of democrats become cuddly with donald trump and are afraid to oppose him openly. they're afraid of losing their seats because they've got red state voters in their state especially in the senate. you run trump leaks where you're going hard after donald trump

every single day. practicing what katon would call base politics at a level that democrats prefer. is that a winning formula for a senator? can a senator sign on what you're doing at trump leaks and win? >> absolutely. the democratic coalition which is the organization that i run, we use trump leaks as a tool to make sure that we can disperse documents about people. mnuchin as an example, he had to pay a million dollar fine for his involvement with the bernie madoff scandal. these are not people that are nice. these are people that are terrible. they're bad nominees for the most part and not qualified for the job at all. americans should push back against this. you think we should have someone in charge of our money that was involved and partnered with bernie madoff. i don't think so. i think that when it comes down to the democrats, we need to

just go back to our base and realize that we're pro choice, that we're pro gay marriage and we care about social issues, we think black lives matter and we don't believe the rich should be in power. >> we're out of time. thank you all. we'll have you back for another round of this debate. coming up in the next hour, the latest -- it's only the 4th day of february. the president is already bumbling on black history month. more after the break.

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. say is loud. say it clear. >> the first two weeks of the trump administration has been marked by lots and lots of protests all across the country. new york on thursday, millions of bodega owners shut down businesses to rally the ban. they're expected to approve jeff sessions. one of the things on the agenda, possible cutbacks in the civil rights division. mark alexander is back with me and joining me by phone, president and senior lecturer of repairs of the breach. dr. william barer. >> reverend barber, the proposed cuts to the civil rights division of the justice division, what does that mean on the ground as somebody leading protest this is this dire era?

>> well, you know, it's troubling and dang trous have a justice department to one that protect civil rights and one that cuts voting rits. we look to the justice department as an ally and now it would be an adversary. what we see in this trumpian move is this constant playing of racial politics. started with birtherism. talked about banning muslims and voter fraud and coded language. where the voting fraud is. this is a dangerous time. added to that, all of the attacks on voting rights which is why our people are marching this coming saturday in raleigh for the march of resistance in raleigh challenging all of these things together. gerrymanderi gerrymandering, muslim ban, the building of the walls. we have to be vigilant. this is a dangerous time for voting rights, civil rights.

>> reverend barber, you've couched this as a moral battle, not really a left right battle. i want to read a little bit back to you of the op-ed. you wrote this about donald trump at the national prayer breakfast. you said that millions of americans feel the awkward silence of so-called faith leaders as they listen to a braggart drone on. essentially the world is a mess i'm here to fix this. idolatry is what the bible has a name for it. do you believe they're standing down in the face of trump. >> some are. we've had more than 10,000 religious leaders that actually challenge trump and wrote a letter. that breakfast itself was designed, a group called the family, has has been anti-civil rights and pro-white evangelicalism which has no moral standing in the public square. clap when he talked about

cutting disabling the taxes on churches and to sit there and be silent as this man said i and i alone can fix this. that's idolatry to not have a prayer breakfast, to have a prayer breakfast, nothing about the poor, nobody stood up and said mr. president you're wrong for warmongering, you're wrong for cutting health care. to actually sit there and be quiet is contrary to the -- sobody should have stood up and said, mr. president, what you're doing right now, talking about your ratings, talking about arnold schwarzenegger. it says something about what that particular prayer breakfast is -- it reminds me of a scripture in the bible that says lord lord and but the hearts are far from it. the prophets would say about that prayer, it -- when you try to go through religious exercises but exercise no effort to fight for justice and to

stand for what's right and stand on behalf -- >> mark, some of the things that they're looking at cutting in the justice department, the violence against women program, community oriented policing office. between police and the community. the legal services. counsel for the underprivileged. you have this white evangelical movement standing behind donald trump, 84% of the members giving them votes but no thoughts about the moral ab row gaw gagss -- >> we expect our justice department to stand up for individual rights, voting rights. the rights of individuals to be free from violence, persecution. that's important to us as americans. that's something the justice department should stand up for. the people who voted for donald trump, they need to recognize this is a country where the president needs to lead us all to a better place. that needs to happen. >> reverend barber, how do we

get behind. it doesn't seem there's much persuasion that republican voters need -- is there a moral persuasion that can bring about unanimity at least on the idea of kafrg for tcaring for the pod the indigent. >> you have to have a sustained movement. you cannot have a sprint. this is a marathon. we're going to have to push hard in this movement. secondly, we have to change our language talking about left versus right. conservative versus liberal. start talking about right versus wrong. we have to have moral cry and focus in the public square by faith leaders. fifthly, many of us are talking about civil disobedience and standing in to shift social consciousness. i'm working with college toy develop the 21st century revival. poor people's -- we have to have a campaign to change the narrative. not only is it what trump is doing, but it's what democrats

and others are doing. we have to create a movement. >> absolutely. that movement is unfolding across the country. protests in london today and all across europe. mark alexander will be back in the next hour. thank you for joining us dr. reverend william barber. more am joy at the top of the hour. believe that he can jump high enough to catch a bird. (vo) try beneful originals with beef. with real beef as the number one ingredient.

a monday night massacre. sally yates a person of great integrity who follows the law was fired by the president. she was fired because she would not enact, pursue the executive order on the belief that it was illegal. perhaps unconstitutional.

sally yates was a profile in courage. >> donald trump fired acting attorney general on sally yates after she refused as you heard to enforce that executive order barring immigrants from seven majority visiting countries from coming to the united states. joining me now is mark alexander, dean of villanova law school. ryan riley, at the huffington post and john dean former white house counsel to richard nixon. john dean i have to start with you. that story is sort of striking. i love watching that john chancellor news broadcast from october of 1972. the sort of interesting irony is that after the attorney general and deputy attorney general wouldn't fire archibald cox one robert bourque did it. he turns up later in history. do you think it's fair to make the comparison between the saturday night massacre back then and this monday night massacre of donald trump? >> i think there is a good loose

comparison. there's a style comparison. while the underlying circumstances were different during the saturday night massacre as opposed to the monday night massacre, the style with which they did it were not dissimilar where the president gave an order to fire the person who wouldn't talk about it. i remember well when carl stern of nbc news actually interrupted live programming to come on and announce the fact that cox had been fired. so it wasn't quite as dramatic this time as it was then. but nixon -- excuse me. trump is showing true nixonian style in the way he had done it. >> absolutely. i want to read a little bit for richard painter of the memo that acting attorney general sally jats and she, of course, is acting attorney general. this is the letter she sent to the justice department on monday which got her fired. it's her obligation to stand for

what is right. this is the next clip. for as long as i'm the acting attorney general, the department of justice will not present arguments in defense of the executive order unless and until i'm convinced it's appropriate to do so. you essentially richard painter have her saying she didn't think the executive order was lawful. now that we've had two federal judges suspend at least temporarily this order, meaning they think there's a good chance that those saying it's unlawful would prevail, is she now vindicated? >> i think she's vindicated by the fact that over the last two weeks we've seen a betrayal of what our constitution provides with respect to the executive power of the president and violation of fundamental constitutional rights. i have students who can't fly home to visit families, families can't visit them here. i asked why. the only explanation i can give is their country is too poor to

have a trump hotel. there is no rational basis for this executive order. it was premised on religious discrimination. it's very clear that the president is acting unconstitutionally. that's what she did. she was fired for it. i think that the trump administration needs to be held accountable for that. >> ryan riley, you heard richard painter -- fallen out of the verbiage out of the news media when it comes to donald trump. there is a graerg point here which is that none of the seven countries barred from having their migrant come to the united states where donald trump does business but a lot of big countries that have histories of sending some of their citizens to commit terrorism against americans, saudi arabia, pakistan, they're not on the list. it includes some countries where donald trump does business. is there any buzz on capitol hill that finally republicans might wrant to do something about that or say something about it? >> not that we've seen so far.

what's interesting, you look at the -- situation, compared to the situation in north carolina with the voting i.d. law, if you're going to look at the face of it, on the face, this isn't discriminatory and but if you look at the purpose of it, in north carolina, you could really see what this is all about. i think that's ultimately what yates was doing here. we know she's done no media since this happened. i think this is really for the attack that the white house made on her, it was extraordinary given that she's this long time federal prosecutor, has worked so hard for so long for the department of justice and to see this very political attack on her was surprising. certainly the firing came somewhat as a surprise to her an her allies as well. >> let me play for you, mark, sally yates confirmation hearing back in 2015. this is one jeff sessions grilling her about her responsibilities under then president barack obama. should he require her to execute

unlawful orders, unlawful orders. take a listen. >> you have to watch out because people will be asking you to do things you just need to say no about. do you think the attorney general or the deputy attorney general has an obligation to follow the law and the constitution and to give the >> mark, she got fired for doing that. for following jeff sessions' advice. >> she has to exercise -- this is the people's lawyer. doesn't represent the president per se. that's what's very important. it is an irony now that we have jeff sessions making this point. we certainly can hope that whatever the issue is, the attorney general will exercise independent judgment. that is essential. that's what we saw and it is an ironic situation looking back to what happened during watergate to what happened now. something which doesn't reflect well on us as a nation. >> john, last night when this

breaking news sort of broke that the judge in seattle issued a stay of this executive order. we were literally having conversations on this network and others about what would happen if the white house decided not to follow the order to defy the federal judge. that is another -- nixonian territory. should we be concerned that it will ignore federal judge's order especially since he disparaged a judge as a so-called judge on his twitt ft feed. >> there's no doubt -- when nixon was forced to turn over his tapes, the real question was whether he would follow the supreme court's directive in that instance. maybe one of his finer moments was when indeed he did. you got to remember, the president has the troops and the

courts have the u.s. marshals. it's not really a fair match. >> to stay with you for a moment john dean. i've read that the two gentlemen that resigned rather than fire archibald cox expressed relief when bourque did it. there was no one else who could have carried out that order. there would have been a sort of constitution sort of vacuum had there been nobody willing to do what the president said. do you agree with that? >> i have talked to billow owe about it. no question that they encouraged him to do so. they wanted him to follow-up. they just said we've made an arrangement and a promise to the senate judiciary committee when we were confirmed that we wouldn't remove the prosecutor except for cause. to honor that word and they indeed held forth and steady on their position. but they did encourage bourque to do the deed. because it did get very complex after that.

>> absolutely. apparently he was offered a supreme court seat if he would do it. richard painter, come back to the point you made. i don't want it to be missed. you do have as a part of this executive order, the exclusion of country where donald trump does business. we come right back again to this problem. could that order be made unlawful, including by the fact that it excluded countries where the president has a pecuniary interest? >> absolutely. this order has no rational basis whatsoever other than veiled attempt to discriminate against muslims and where the president does not do business. the broader point is that these officials from the president on down are sworn to uphold the constitution. they are ignoring it. they go to a prayer breakfast and invoke the name of god, yet repeatedly, it violates god's word and how he wants to figure fellow human beings. somebody needs to stand up to

it. the acting attorney general did. the rest of us need to before we end up with a catastrophe on our hands. >> ryan riley, that brings us to the point where are the republicans? other than staff, you seem to have a revolt of the civil servants with all the rogue twitter accounts, the national park service. there doesn't seem to be much interest of elected republicans of doing anything to slow down donald trump. why is that? >> you know, it's tough to say. ted cruz came out and attacked the former attorney general of defending this law. what they sort of have gone back to, sessions should have been confirmed. it's an interesting point. on a lot of major issues, essentially what yates and supporters within the allies and working with the new trump administration, was putting a lot of things on hold. essentially saying we're going to wait this out until sessions is confirmed and then go forward. in this disorganized manner that

we're seeing unfold throughout the country, sort of put her in a corner and make this choice. it was one she denied not to resign over. that was what it came down to. resignation or ease essentially whether she was going to be ordered to do this and have to resign or defy the president. i think that was something that she didn't sort of expect going into this. but that's what ended up happening. >> then what happened mark, you had the spokesman for the president call her a traitor, saying she had betrayed the department of justice and went on to say she's weak on borders and very weak on illegal immigration. a trumpian statement. not what you would typically hear from a president. >> right. it's beneath the white house. the white house shouldn't say a so-called judge, somebody is weak. shouldn't be talking about somebody's tv ratings. that's beneath the office of the president. that's the challenge. when you're talking your first 100 days. not even. >> first 14 days. >> first 14 days.

and constitutional crisis. this kind of stuff. this is beneath the office and certainly we can hope there's better. we have to see what comes. >> absolutely. mark alexander, ryan riley, richard paintser, john dean. great panel. thank you guys. coming up, do you think the immigration ban is bad? it may just be the beginning. that's next. whether it's connecting one of the world's most innovative campuses. or bringing wifi to 65,000 fans. businesses count on communication, and communication counts on centurylink.

the administration may be looking for oir ways other ways to crackdown on immigrants to the united states. "washington post" obtained drafts of executive orders on ways not to receive public assistance and allow for deportation of visa holders in the united states if they use government benefits. currently federal laws allows

green card holders and refugees access to some benefits. trump's orders would refuse immiants who may be in need of any benefits, including medicaid for the children's health insurance program. the white house hat not commented on the drafts. i'm joined by two guests. co-director of the immigrant rights -- and host of the love -- owe thank you for being here. i want to go with you first. this fits in with the right wing ideology. people are coming to the united states to collect the welfare. that's why they're here. if they were allowed to do this and cut off any immigrant who they project may need benefits. what could that do to immigrants? >> each of these executive orders seems to be propagating a

false narrative about immigrants so we saw the orders about immigrants as terrorists and immigrants as criminals. this one is about immigrants as a drain on public welfare. those are simply false. immigrants do give more to our economy than they ever take out. this kind of order would essentially have a chilling effect on immigrants who do qualify. unlawful immigrants who do qualify for assistance under federal programs, state programs from coming forward to get that assistance. so u.s. born children will be the ones affected. >> 45.3% of all immigrant headed household -- use a program, 88% of all children living with immigrant parents are themselves u.s. citizens. what kind of jobs are we talking about? that is the right a lot of them think they're coming here to live on welfare. these are working people, right? >> absolutely. federal immigration law already prohibits someone who is here without status from being eligible for virtually any sort

of public assistance. again, we're talking about people who are here, on lawful status, who need the benefits and qualify for them but are afraid about coming forward. >> myth versus fact. we're mythbusters. this is the first one. u.s. commerce department. the myth is that every job filled by an immigrant is a job filled by unemployed american. the fact is they typically do not compete with -- another milt. immigrants drive down the wages of american wages. they give a boost by increasing productivity. another myth. a sluggish u.s. economy doesn't need -- ali velshi talked about this earlier. you've shown on your blog, you've got a chart that shows the declining labor force participation among american men and women we need to replenish.

>> the chart you're showing is the number of people inside the overall population in this country that are either working or looking for work. if you're going to add 25 million jobs over eight years, a laudable goal. you have to come out of that group of people. and that group of people is shrinking. alarmingly fast. part of the way to boost that group of people is to make your population bigger. we can have babies. but we're not having that many babies as a country. or you can have immigration. we're allowing about a million people legally to come in roughly. those are the two ways. by the way, if you keep it at that pace, right, the projections, the census bureau projections are in ten years our current population growth, .7 of 1% will fall by half a percent to .2 of 1%. that's keeping the status quo. if you were to reduce immigration, it would go lower,

perhaps negative. if you were to raise it, maybe go the other way. the other problem is women's participation. it was part of the reason in the 20th century that this economy did so well was that women went from being about a third of women working in the workforce -- >> right. >>? the '50s wend from 2/3 in the '90s. now it's reversed. it's going the other way. we have a real problem. there won't be 25 million people to hire. >> and people to pay the retirement benefits. >> right. >> the other sort of thing you see here, not only the scapegoating of immigrants or of unlawful or lawful migrants at all, brown people looking for welfare but pitting brown versus black people and saying hey, black people, you need to also fear the immigrants because they're coming here to take welfare and take low wage jobs. >> i want to make one point. this is getting personal for me.

because my wife is an immigrant. she and her mother came here when she was young. people who decide to leave one country and come to another where they don't know that many people, these tend to be motivated people. people who are making a big huge choice in life. they don't do it so they can sit on a couch and collectwelfare. they come to america to work. they tend to be less criminal, more entrepreneurial. but also, you talk about the false narratives. what about the false narratives we're perpetuating. it's a moral responsibility of large nations to help refugees and immigrants. people fleeing famine, civil war, poverty, these sorts of things. angela merkel referenced that, i believe, it was yesterday, other nations are recognizing this. this is part of the judeo christian effort, when somebody poor comes to you, you help them. to turn our back on the rest of the world doesn't make us better. america's benevolence made us powerful and to turn our back on that is un-american.

>> this attack and i think that is written on the statue of liberty, right? [ inaudible ] in this specific case, the republican party found a way to demonize a group of people who don't have a political voice. this will really harm people at the lowest economic scale which a lot of republican policy is aimed at. how do we counter the fact that voters buy into this and believe that the immigrants are a drain on society. >> i think we need to take a history lesson. there's a great book expelling the poor by a professor that talks about how these public charge laws are really steeped in nativism that started being targeted against irish catholics. that's when you started seeing people turned away because they were deemed to be a drain on society. again, there needs to be a lot of soul searching in this country. people are saying that this is a good thing for this country. themselves, they go far back, probably were targeted. we need to go back to values and

understand that we do need to stand up for those who may be poor but are ready and willing and able to work very hard and will contribute to the economy. >> the nation of immigrants consistently, historically go back to the know nothing party. they were demonizing those from other places forgetting that we are a nation of immigrants. >> by the way, we had a law on the books since they outlawed asian immigration for 20, 30 years, onl taken back to 1965. very quickly, is there also an element of trying to force u.s. populations into jobs that maybe are now being taken by immigrants by reducing the participation of women in the workforce through things like i don't know, keeping contraception away from them. >> maybe there's an idea that could happen. but that's not happening at all. men, if you look at the labor participation rate, that has been declining for 70 years. that's a long trend in terms of economics or in terms of

anything. to say you're going to reverse that by a few of these orders is just not going to happen. really, it's about growth. if anything, the election was partly about the economy. when you talk about angela merkel. germany doesn't have demographic growth. you need immigrants. japan, they have negative population growth. they have something called womenomics. this is a big, big effort. after trying fiscal and everything they could possibly try, they say let's get women back into the workforce because we need growth. otherwise it falls apart. >> one point quickly. they like superiority on the other side. workers need managers. when we pull more immigrants into the country to work, they will need presumably people who have been here for a long time to be their manager. there you go. >> last word to you on this. there isn't, again, a political sort of movement around this particular issue for immigrants who might be at the lower end of

the scale. people picking vegetables and fruit and keeping tomatoes on your table. is there pushback on the executive orders? >> absolutely. there are a number of organizations trying to prepare for everything being thrown at immigrants and understanding, again, that this is -- we already have laws that are harsh in terms of immigrants accessing benefits. we've seen the harm. this will create a public health crisis and a lot of people will stand up and fight. thank you all very much for being here. up next, donald trump launched the white house's annual black history month by getting together with some of his bck friends. >> no he didn't. >> we've had some of them on this very show. we'll show you how that went after the break.

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>> you read about -- fake news. in eight years without an african-american president in the white house. never fear. the new president made sure there were still african-americans in the white house to mark the day. in fact, donald trump managed to fill an entire table with black people who made their own black history by being around the proud, the few who actually supports him. you may recognize some of them because before they were rewarded with a chair at donald trump's white house table, they were in the hot seat right here on am joy. >> mr. trump has had a continued engagement and relationship for a very long time with the african-american community. >> the birther issue came out of hillary clinton's camp. >> no it didn't, sir. >> yes, it did. >> you know what, even a pastor cannot make things up on this

show. >> i have to debunk this myth that he does not have broad support across different races of religion and gender. because those 8 million people are some of the most diverse americans in this country. >> you know that the republican primary so far had been more than 90% white. >> csir, sir, sir, no, no, no i was not. >> mr. trump, like he said, wrote up those remarks himself. >> you think he wrote those remarks? >> donald trump is the only one in this race that's going to turn around communities and inner cities with african-americans. >> you know, we're out of time. sir, i respect you as a pastor. you're not going to make things up. >> we never got many details from those surrogates on how exactly donald trump would approach policy solutions for african-american communities. this week we finally got an inkling. i'm bringing in my panel for more on that next.

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douglas as an example of somebody who has done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, i notice. >> for the record, frederick douglass died in 1895. he was so widely recognized according to one historian, he was the most photographed man of his time. no, no. no. no. no. abraham lincoln has president's day. try again next year. that's all just history. back here we've got some idea of the -- tucked away in that draft executive order that would bar those with -- there's a line order report on how the money saved from blocking the immigrants could be invested in quote inner city communities and

disadvantaged youth. in other words, robbing peter to pay paul or more accurately robbing immigrants to pay more african-americans. wade henderson of the leadership conference on civil rights and human rights. unsityf -- and -fnder tiol of black lives matter. >> the idea of enticing african-americans of we will take from the poor immigrants and give to your communities. >> the new watchword of the trump administration. it's not surprising that the real donald trump might discover the real frederick douglass and a one-sided bromance might begin. this idea of taking the most famous republican of the 19th century, second only to abraham lincoln and pairing him with the newly famous republican of the 21st century simply won't work. the idea that immigrants who are now qualified for medicaid might be cheating the system is

totally bogus. you have assaye lease and refugees that qualify for medicaid or the child health insurance program. but there are restrictions on most immigrants for up to five years before they can qualify and even then those who sponsor them are ultimately responsible in the event they wrongly get benefits. what's really the problem is that trump is focusing on distractions rather than the issues at hand. both because of his statements and his recent appointments the trump administration has become, in my view, a clear and present danger to african-americans' constitutional right to vote. i can cite three examples. the first is his remark about the massive fraud that occurred in the election, which is total nonsense. second, his appointment of jeff sessions to head the department of justice given his history speaks for itself. now the appointment on -- nomination of neil gorsuch for a

seat on the supreme court is deeply troubling. before he was appointed to the court, gorsuch worked as the principal deputy of the associate attorney general in the justice department responsible for supervising voting rights litigation. in 2005 he intervened in a case involving the georgia voter i.d. law and prevented career attorneys from bringing a case a dubious and bogus way. that issue needs to be examined closely and it was not looked at before he was appointed to the court. >> thank you for bringing that up. we need to talk more about jefferson sessions. i want to come back to this notion of pitting immigrants. pitting immigrants, nonwhite immigrants and african-americans against each other. bruce, i want to play for you a couple of the ways in which donald trump has spoken to and about african-americans and get your response. let's play donald trump back in august of 2016, speaking before a white crowd in michigan but speaking about black people.

>> the improved refugee screening standards, i have proposed will save countless, billions of dollars. we will invest a portion of the money saved in a jobs program for inner city youth. >> okay. now let's listen to that same month donald trump speaking to african-americans -- speaking about african-americans again at that same rally and saying what hillary clinton would do versus himself. >> hillary clinton would rather provide a job to a refugee from overseas than to give that job to unemployed african-american youth in cities like detroit. >> so bruce, do you have any discomfort whatsoever with this rhetoric of trying to pit refugees, people coming here seeking asylum and african-americans against each other, not to mention doing it from front of an all-white audience. >> thanks joy. thanks for having me in. the falcons will win sunday.

there's nothing wrong with the president wanting to put america first. he has been -- no president, for example in the inauguration speech has been so direct in terms of speaking and caring about the african-american community -- >> what did he say that talked about caring about -- that was a dark speech. >> trying to finish, respectfully. the democrat regime for many, many years. >> democratic. >> same old, same old. never accomplished anything. the system that hasn't had any he except a bunch of false promises. it's a fair call to say let's put america first and put more infrastructure into our inner cities. >> just as a point of order. we say democratic. that's the name of the party. we don't use the pejorative. >> it was pretty short. what did he say about caring for african-american communities?

sniemts to stop the murder rate for example. >> black on black crime is what he said? >> the murders in 2016 in chicago alone. to speak and say hey, enough is enough. stop killing our black kids and children in communities. that's -- no president has ever spoke like that in inauguration and have care about our children, especially in the african-american communities. i think that's humongous. that's huge. >> let's let alicia, did you find that to be caring and positive towards the african-american community, that kind of rhetoric, alicia? >> no. to be honest with you -- that would be me. to be honest with you, i think what it was, was condescending. i do think that black communities across the country and throughout the world can see right through this kind of rhetoric. let's be clear that immigrants aren't the ones who are reshaping the economy. it's corporations who have reshaped the economy and made it so that there is a crisis in joblessness. there's also a crisis in terms

of driving wages and the quality of work. it's a race to the bottom. so i didn't find it at all in any way did i find there to be any kind of concern from donald trump about black communities and let's be very clear, he hasn't been concerned about black communities except to criminalize them. we haven't forgotten about the central park five. we haven't forgotten about the comments that donald trump has made about black people. i can't quite wrap my head around how it is that there can be people defending his record in the black community when he doesn't have one. >> talk about america first. i'm american. i've never lived anywhere else, right? my family is fully american. i don't feel embraced by this. i don't feel anyone is looking out for my interest when the president is out tweeting about milo's right to speak at berkeley but a lacking john

lew lewis' right to speak. i feel a certain america first. this attack on black and black crime in chicago. this is not the prime thing that black america needs dealt with. we need the war on drugs dealt with. we need policing violence dealt with. he's dealing with some black people and one half of 1%. some black people are killing others in chicago. no recognition that the murder rate in chicago is about half of what it was 20 years ago. that's a massive success story in terms of the long history of chicago. all we hear about is our criminality, our problematic nature for the nation. does america first include me? >> bruce, your response to that? >> youow, like you said beforefo a president to come out and be so profound on the inauguration speech -- >> you're not answering what was said. >> excuse me? >> we only have a limited amount of time. if you're going to give a

speech, i need you to answer what he just said. >> the president made it very clear about the money he wants to put in the communities. >> how much money is that? >> we've only been two weeks. the president is two weeks into his presidency and moved mountains. >> what mountains has he moved? >> well, the money that's going to come into these communities -- >> what money? >> what he's going to do in terms of -- >> sir, what money? you're inventing money that you don't have any factual backup for? >> the way it works is, when you remove resource frs other countries and other resources and put it back into america's interest. >> we have money. >> what resources? >> into wars. >> thank you for being here. he's not appropriated any money. >> when you lower the tax rate from a small business owner from 37% to 16, 17% create more jobs and create more jobs in the community. those are very strong messages that's going to help and

resonate the american people. >> bruce, we are out of time. i want to get our viewers to understand that you hear things on tv, you're going to hear people say things that bruce would like to have happen. those are not proposals on the table. they have not. >> thank you for come. ter ray will stick around. thank you all for being here. at noon, donald trump's claim that he is bigger than the super bowl. up next, more on joy. after the break. what powers the digital world. communication.

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it is time for my favorite question and yours. who won the week? back with me is my panel. who won the week? >> well, for a mere $200 million

of donations to the republican party, you can be woefully unqualified and still potentially end up in the donald trump administration. >> so unqualified people won the week. unqualified people. >> that's specific. >> you know it's so funny. throughout this, just so people would think about it. that's what it means, government by the worst and most unqualified people. we don't know if that's what we have right now, let's be fair. there is a taint to this administration, where a lot of people who aren't qualified for the job they do, that they're being asked to do are getting the job. she might be right about that. >> preinaugural donald trump for 50 years he has been obsessed with the military. he has funded veteran's day parades, vietnam veteran's day parades. that's the way he bought his way into it. >> he got five deferments. >> he has the power. i cannot quantify what that has

done for huis ego. wanting to buy his way into it and now he has the actual power. >> if he's so obsessed with the military why did he get five deferments. >> he doesn't want to actually do the work now that's the case with -- now he's accountable. >> his first, you know, foray into being commander in chief was a disaster. i mean, what happened in yemen, the loss of life of a seal a.e. >> there's so much pain watching the news, so much stress, anxiety. yet this week a ray of sunshine emerged from the instagram. queen bey is pregnant with twins. >> yes! >> lightened everybody. everybody had to weigh in. it's like their sister or aunt got pregnant. the best tweet of the year so far, there are more black people in beyonce's belly than there are on trump's cabinet.

>> oh, my god, yes. the illuminati of people. my favorite tweet about this was, beyonce's picture and black america saying we having babies y'all. >> she also has more people on social media. >> so does barack obama. many more. followers on twitter. a lot of his are bought. >> 67%. >> i would say my votes would be wall street. wall street won the week. they've been win ing with donald trump's campaign. he's stocked his cabinet with goldman sachs people including bannon and all that. he's paying them back by eliminating as much of dodd frank as he can shred to let the casinos open up again. they'll be able to cheat their elderly clients again. it will be a great boon. we have to put one positive story. this baby will get to come to the country. cutest baby ever and she gets to

come to the country thanks to the judge who ended the immigration band. thank you all, that's our show for today. join us tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern for more a.m. joy. up next sheinelle joins has more on demonstrations around the world against donald trump's ban. (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light. do not go gentle into that good night. ♪ ♪

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