"how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business. breaking news at the top of the hour. first vice president mike pence is speaking in the city of philadelphia at the federalist society luncheon. likely to make remarks on what appears to be an unraveling of the president's executive order. he just took the stage there and started to talk. as soon as we hear anything certainly newsworthy we'll bring that to you live. also within the past hour, the department of homeland security is suspending all actions to implement president trump's immigration ban. a short time earlier, the state department reversed an order that revoked visas for travellers from seven different countries. it allows some travellers with

visas to enter the u.s. despite the cascade of change on the executive order the white house and homeland security officials say they will fight at the first opportunity to overturn a judge's ruling. that largely nullified the president's seven country travel ban. so good day to you i'm sheinelle jones live in new york. let's listen in to the vice president. >> been quite an administration, am i right? [ applause ] i know the president feels the same way as i do. that we're here in no small part because of your commitment. and the ideals of the federalist society to restore the promise of america. and it's fitting we're in philadelphia today. in the shadow of independence hall. only steps away from where our founding fathers proclaimed ideals that have echoed throughout the ages. they declare the truths to be self-evident that we are all of us created equal j thand that w

endowed, not by government, but that we are endowed as the president himself recited this week in the national prayer breakfast, endowed by our creator. with the inalienable rights of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. that principle is at the center of the american experience. and it will always be. [ applause ] the men who wrote these words will ever be honored in the american pantheon. thomas jefferson, and so many more. the documents they drafted, the declaration in independence, the year in which they signed it, 1776synonymous. thought we have is a gift. it's humbling to be near where they pledged their lives fort e

fortunes and sacred honor. in the words of abraham lincoln they labored to create an apple of gold. now they need adpited a pitcher silver to frame it in and preserve the principles at the heart of our exceptional experiment in saeelf-government. it would be 11 years later in the summer of 1787 our founding fathers returned to independence hall. they came to craft a framework of government that would protect those timeless ideals, the ideals that bind us together as a people. and give us purpose as a nation. they gave us the constitution of the united states of america. [ applause ] it was, it is, and i believe it will forever be the greatest

charter of liberty our world has ever seen. fostered our nation's unparalleled success. and it is to this day, the dp t greatest bulwark against tyranny in history. this is the constitution president trump and i have sworn to uphold. on january 20th, just over two weeks ago, we stood before the american people. and before god and we made solemn vows. in my oath of office, i simply promised to support and defend the constitution. as did the president. and i promise you, we will keep that oath. [ applause ] people keep asking me, what it was like up there on the stage. i tell peoplet was just very humbling. it was humbling for me to be there.

you see, my granddaughter cafat this country from ireland when he was about my son's age. he crossed the atlantic and went to ellis island and took a train to chicago where he drove a bus for 40 years. he's the proudest man i ever knew. the fact that richard michael collie had the courage to cross that ocean is why michael richard pence is now the vice president of the united states of america. it is, i expect, startling to him knowing me as well as he did. more ways than one. i found myself thinking up on that stage what that irishman must be thinking looking down from glory. i've come to one conclusion, he was right. not about me. he was right about america. where anybody can be anybody.

because of the system of liberty we have enshrined in the constitution and the founding documents of this nation. [ applause ] but that moment was made all the more special to me because of the man who administered my oath of office. justice clarence thomas. [ applause ] i'm privileged to have met justice thomas about a decade ago when i was a member of congress. and privileged to have a chance to get acquainted with a man of his conviction and his courage on the supreme court of the united states. i know everyone holds justice thomas in the same high regard. not only that, we want to aid

him in his lonely fight. his lonely fight too often on the supreme court. and we can do that best by giving justice clarence thomas another colleague on the bench who shares his courage and his commitment to our nation's guiding documents. and this we are doing. [ applause ] you know, the american people elected president trump, i believe in significant part because of his vow to do just that. to nominate someone to the supreme court in the mold of not only justice thomas, but also of the late and great justice antonin scalia. [ applause ] it was such a special night, earlier this week when we were joined not only by our nominee

and his wife. but also by the widow of justice scalia and his son, who was with us there and shared that moment. justice antonin scalia's devotion to the constitution will be forever remembered by the people of the united states of america. [ applause ] but this was president trump's promise. and make no mistake about it, my friends, in the federalist society we're in the promise keeping business in washington, d.c. now. before i say anymore, it behooves us to remember justice scalia's legacy and honor his memory. we all knew the late justice, some of you personally, others through his titanic impact on our nation's laws. the federalist society actually owes him a great deal. justice scalia was one of the first faculty mentors in the

1980's i'm told at the university of chicago. our country owes a great deal to him too. his incomparable opinions, even more his incisive dissents. has his successor said the other night, america misses justice scalia greatly. and i know we'll always cherish him in our hearts. would you mind getting to your feet and just showing how much we appreciate the life and work and memory of the late justice antonin scalia. [ applause ] i mentioned before that last week i had the great privilege to speak with justice's widow,

maureen. the president asked me to join us at the white hou as i said for the supreme court announcement the next day. duringhe conversation, i told her that president trump was about to nominate a worthy replacement for her husband. before i could go any further, she stopped me and said, actually, that's not how the president puts it. she said the president actually told me that no one can replace my husband, they can only succeed him. isn't that wonderful? and it's true. we all know why. and that's why president trump devoted so much energy to picking the best possible nominee. last year, president trump took the unprecedented step of releasing a list of the 21 men and women he was considering for the supreme court. there was full transparency every step of the way. each individual the president

named shared several key qualifications, sterling academic credentials a brilliant legal mind and a commitment to the constitution of the united states. four days ago, as you all know, president trump nominated someone who fits this description to a t. judge neil m. gorsuch. [ applause ] my friends, i can say with the utmost confidence, judge gorsuch is a worthy successor to justice antonin scalia. by the grace of god, i believe neil gorsuch will send take his seat as an associate justice on the supreme court of the united states. [ applause ]

you get right down to it, judge gorsuch is one of the most main stream respected and qualified supreme court nominees in american history. don't take my word for it. that was it conclusion of the american bar association in 2006 after he was nominated to the 10th court of appeals. he had the highest possible recommendation. and the the united states senate agreed. only two months after neil gorsuch's nomination to the court of appeals, the senate confirmed him by a unanimous voice vote. and nearly a third of those senators on both sides of the aisle are still serving in the senate today. a unanimous vote. as president trump asked on tuesday, can you believe that? yes, you can. when you look at judge gorsuch's

record ever since. in his decade on the 10th circuit he's established him as a fair and impartial judge. he's well known by his peers as a keen legal thinker just as important a clear legal writer. it's evident to all he's man of high character. and courage. indispensable qualities for a jurist. over the past few days it's been amazing to see the out pouring of support from those who know judge gorsuch and his work. ed whalen and the former clerk to justice scalia declared him quote, a dedicated originalest who writes with clarity, force and verve. "the wall street journal" praised him, a distinguished choice. leonard leo, who is here, called him an exceptional jurist. by the way, leonard, let me say again, how much i and inpresident appreciate your

tireless work on behalf of our country and the constitution. we are grateful for all you have done. [ applause ]nstitution. we are grateful for all you have done. [ applause ]untry and the const. we are grateful for all you have done. [ applause ] >> i should also know that judge gorsuch is so well liked that even those who disagree with him sing his praises. the president of obama's -- excuse me the president obama's former ethics czar said he is quote, a great guy. and the acting solicitor general under president obama endorsed judge gorsuch in strongest possible terms. he called him an extraordinary judge, closed quote. whe who will help restore confidence in the rule of law. that's what this is really all about, isn't it?

our constitutional order requires the rule of law. without exception. we are, after all, a nation of laws. judge gorsuch firmly understands this. he said on many occasions that judges must apply the law as written without regard to their own politics or personal feelings. he put it well on tuesday saying, quote, in our legal order it's for congress and not the courts to write new laws. he added it's the work of the law -- my favorite was this, he said, quote, a judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge. stretching for results, he prefers rather than those the law demands. i don't know about you, but that's my kind of supreme court justice. [ applause ]

but not just his words, judge gorsuch's record on the bench demonstrates his fidelity to the wisdom of the founders rather than the whims of our own day and age. he's written more than 200 published opinions in his decade on the 10th circuit. if you read them all -- some have -- which the president i promise you did. an unmistakable picture emerges. he's an originalest who will pick up right where justice scalia left off. he also defends the constitution's unique system of federalism and restricts the national government to the specific and enumerated powers enshrined in the constitution while leaving to the states much more sizable control over their lives and destinies.

these carefully calibrated mechanisms so wisely designed by our founding fathers are a strong foundation for the protection of the american people's fundamental liberties. by defending them, judge gorsuch has showed himself to be a true friend of our freedoms. it should be clear that judge neil gorsuch is indeed a worthy successor to justice scalia. he's cut from the same cloth. our constitution and country will be stronger with him on the supreme court. we're not there yet. which is why i'm here. first, of course, we must abide by the constitution and secure the advice and consent of the senate. the morning after his nomination, i had the privilege of escorting him to the capitol hill for the first time. i'm pleased to report in a few short days he's already met with 12 senators in both political parties. and he's making himself available to meet with all 100 members of the senate if they're willing to meet with him. of course, several announced

their opposition within minutes of his nomination. and now they're even threatening to use the filibuster procedure in the senate to stop him. make no mistake about it, this would be an unwise and unprecedented act. never before in the history of our country has an associate justice nominee to the supreme court faced a successful filibuster. and judge neil m. gorsuch should not be the first. [ applause ] le me say, president trump and i have full confidence that judge gorsuch will be confirmed. rest assured, we will work with the senate leadership to insure that judge gorsuch gets an up or down vote on the senate floor one way or the other. [ applause ]

this seat does not belong to any party or any idealogy or any interest group. this seat on the supreme court belongs to the american people and the american people deserve a vote on the floor of the united states senate. [ applause ] my friends, this is a historic time for our country. we're on the verge, literally, of reaffirming the supremacy of the constitution. and our nation's supreme court. we're giving a new voice to the age old vision of our foundi fathers. we're rededicating ourselves to the timeless principles they proclaim adfed a few steps awaym where we are today. we're returning power to the american people. the rightful rulers of the greatest nation the world has

ever known. we have much work to do. but i'm confident the grace of god, we will accomplish the task before us. so let me just close by saying thank you. thank you to all of you for your work. as men and women of the law. participants in the federalist society. your own fealty to the constitution of the united states and the way you live that out in your lives and careers. i must tell you, it's inspiring to be with you today. and i truly do believe that for all our nation has accomplished over the last 241 years,'m absolutely confident tt as we keep faith with the ideals that were first minted just a few steps away from here, in our founding documents, in that declaration and in that constitution, the best days for america are yet to come. thank you very much. god bless you. [ applause ]

>> vice president mike pence speaking in the city of philadelphia at the federalist society luncheon there. speaking on his support of the new supreme court nominee, judge neil gorsuch and the role of the courts and constitution. he has full confidence he'll be confirmed. he talked about his love for the late justice antonin scalia. as he makes his case it's shaping up to be a busy saturday. the state department and department of homeland security today essentially saying it won't implement big parts of president trump's executive order banning travellers from seven countries. but the white house is vowing to fight. let's bring in our news justice correspondent pete williams to explain to this. good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon to you. >> let me get your thoughts first on vice president pence and what he had to say today. >> well, this is a logical audience for him to talk about neil gorsuch because the federalist society, this group played a big role in putting together that list of judges the

president said he would consider and draw the supreme court nominee from. and so neil gorsuch, the fact he's been nominated, the federalist society had a good deal to do with that. they were closely advising the president. it's only logical he would thank them. >> i said this at the top, introducing you that this is shaping up to be a busy saturday. i interviewed you this morning on "the today show." i feel like it's been ten years in between so much has happened in between. it feels like the trump immigration ban. is it fair to say it's unraveling? what's going on here? >> i think it's fair to say the federal government is fully conforming to the federal judge's order, ordering the government not to enforce the executive order that came out just a week ago. so a couple of things, the department of homeland security put a statement out saying it's suspending any and all actions to implement the sections of the executive order that were covered by the judge's order. it says homeland security personnel will resume inspection

of travellers in accordance with standard policy and procedure. we're back to the situation before the executive order went into effect. that much is clear. one question we had this morning when you and i originally talked five hours ago, was what happened to the visas that were issued before the executive order went into place and then declared invalid by the executive order? so for all those people from those seven countries who had visas, could they now come to the airport or were those visas still invalid, would they have to get new visas. we know the answer to that now. the state department says those visas are considered valid again. there's one little range of exceptions to that. anybody who had a visa who then went to the airport and tried to board a plane while the executive ord was in effect. if that visa was canceled by a

border protection or american official, those visas will be invalid. that's a very small number. >> but they didn't do anything different than the others, it just so happened to be their flight happened to be that day? >> well, that's correct. if they went to the airport and the visa was physically canceled at the airport, there's a cancellation in the record now. but nobody would know why it was canceled. so they'll have to start over. that's a very small fraction of the number of people covered by the executive order. >> okay. >> for example, now, students in the u.s. who were here on student visas from the affected countries, if they wanted to go back, say, to iraq for visiting a relative and then come back, they can do that now. but the risk is, of course, to them is that the trump administration says it will ask a -- seek a stay of the judge's order from a federal appeals court. there's a risk the happeals cout could grant that. if you're out of the country you'll be stuck. those people will have to think that through.

i will say this, though, trying to seek a stray of a temporary restraining order which is what we have here, is a seldom done and seldom granted. the odds are against the government at this point to get a temporary stay. longer term, we still have the question of whether the policy is unconstitutional or illegal. that question hasn't been answered. who knows how that will be resolved. >> all right. pete williams, my brain hurts, but thank you. >> okay. >> all right. thank you, pete. let's bring in connecticut congressman jim hines a member of the house intelligence community and a democrat. good day to you. >> good day. >> i want to get your thoughts of vice president mike pence saying he has new confidence that neil gorsuch will be confirmed. the backdrop is that merrick garland didn't get that chance. what was your thought? >> i was overcome with irony of vice president pence standing in

front of the federalist society which is about the defense of the constitution to put the cherry on top of a constitutional coup where the republican senate said despite what the constitution says, which is the president will appoint a supreme court justice with the advice and consent of the senate, they said no, sorry we're not going to do that. because of this fantasy, this completely made up idea in the last year of a president's term he doesn't get to do that. so, look, gorsuch is a widely respected jurist. there's no doubt about that. but in the single most consequential thing that a president does other than declaring war perhaps, you've seen a constitutional coup engineered by the republican party here. >> he says he has full confidence he'll be confirmed. what's your gut say? >> well, i suspect that is true. i suspect that if the democrats in the senate filibuster that trump will g his way and there will be a removal of that filibuster. again, just as you've seen with

his administration's kind of overall rodeo. you will see a generations long tradition in the united states senate thrown to the curb. >> let me ask you now about the breaking news today, this legal order temporarily halting enforcement of the travel ban is leading the state department to reverse visa revocations, what's your take on how this is unfolding? >> that's kind of what i mean when i say -- characterize the administration. the very first order that had teeth -- we had seen an order that said we're going to repeal the affordable care act, which is not something the president can do. that's something congress has to do. we saw yesterday trump say i don't really like dodd frank, we're going to work on that. that's congressional authority. the one thing that the president actually has the authority to do, which is -- that he's talked about which is to say we're going to change the way we do the state department and homeland security, he put that thing out and of course judges all over this country said oh, no you don't.

so i mean, look if i'm a new president and the very first thing i do which has teeth that i'm in a position to do gets reversed by the judiciary and i expect in trumpian fashion by calling a federal judge who was confirmed almost unanimously in the senate a so-called federal judge, that is a sign of an administration in disarray and an administration that really doesn't know what it's doing. >> let me ask you about that. you have president trump then as you said, vowing to have the federal judge's ruling overturned. how long will this continue? do you think certain components of his executive order could prevail? >> well, this is the product of course of operating the way the trump administration operates, get steve bannon and jeff miller and a bunch of guys in a room to write something, probably on who knows, you know, without consulting state department or homeland security, not consulting congress. this is the product of that kind of operating. so, of course, it runs into all sorts of problems and it's devastating for people. right here in connecticut, we

had a doctor whose family is american and gets stuck and detained. you know i spoke about a mother who was detained for 33 hours. the state department doesn't know which way is up because a judge is saying one thing and the president is saying another. this is no way to govern the greatest country in the world and it is certainly not the way to make america great again. >> before you leave us, this afternoon, i want to get your thoughts on iran . do you support the new sanction? >> i do. it's an important conversation because iran, like russia, which is now, you know, undertaking unbelievably belligerent measures in eastern ukraine, iran is testing the new president. and so i'm glad that the united states and the president has said no, you're not going to test ballistic missiles. we need to be careful because we don't want this to escalate -- >> i was about to ask you.

senator graham praised the sanctions but called for more actions saying the next shep should be enacting congressionally authorized sectorial sanctions passed by congress. the likelihood of iranians changing their behavior is minimal. do you expect the situation to escalate? >> i hope it doesn't escalate. i do think that we should sanction iran for their missile tests. but with two conditions. number one, look, this is, you know, i call this administration's first couple of weeks a goat rodeo. i don't trust these guys to know how you very carefully manage a situation with iran. it makes me nervous that some tweet at 5:30 in the morning might escalate to a situation where all of a sudden we're engaged in some kind of military conflict in the region. this is important that people understand. we don't want to put the iran nuclear deal, we don't want that

starting again. that would move us closer towards another military conflict in the middle east. so i do think we should push back hard on this test of a ballistic missile. i got footeto tell you this gro people who is occupying the oval office that can't figure out how to do a basic change to immigration rules it nervous. did the new secretary of state rex tillerson play a role in the state department reversing the cancellation of visas. reaction ahead.

welcome back i'm sheinelle jones here at msnbc headquarters in new york. here's what we're monitoring. within the past hour the department of homeland security is suspending all actions to implement president trump's immigration ban. a short time earlier, the state department reversed an order that revoked visas for

travellers from seven different countries. it allows some travellers with visas to enter the u.s. despite the cascade of change on the executive order the white house and homeland security officials say they'll fight at the first opportunity to overturn a judge's ruling that largely nullified the president's seven country ban. nbc's tom costello is in washington near the white house where a protest is set to start. we're looking live at pictures here from the nation's capital. i know the weather is pretty chilly, but it doesn't look -- or has it impacted the turnout? i guess i should ask you that way. >> we're expecting, they say, about 5,000 people to 8,000 people to start here and we're at lafayette park. that's lafayette park, the white house is right now behind these chain length fences. keep in mind, there's an awful lot of clean up to go following the inauguration and the parade. at the moment we've got maybe 150 people i would say. 2:00 they're expecting to start marching up towards the capitol

building. their message is no ban, no muslim ban and also no wall. a lot of folks are from various states and countries. we've talked to people from mexico, yemen, people here legal la ly and don't want to see a suspension of legal immigration. they plan to start marching up to the capitol building and the supreme court. president trump is not at the white house, he's down in florida right now. vice president pence is also not right here right now. this will be a vocal protest, bull we'll s but we'll see who is listening, back to you. >> tom costello, thank you. i thought it was interesting. people thought it was about the ban, no ban, no wall. several topics there today. thank you, tom. let's go now to nbc f's morn radford in new york city where another rally is starting. what do we expect to see there?

>> reporter: already thousands have rsvp'd to come merhere. it's the center for an iconic place for gay rights. the podium is already being set up. nypd there, the podium says resist resist. and this is a group of proimmigrant and gay support groups who have said they don't stand for the things that president elect donald trump has supported including the travel ban. even though we know that it has been suspended recently, we also know that people are still planning to come here to protest. and sheinelle to give you a sense of background, the stonewall inn is the site of riots in 1969. if you go to their website today, they say welcome to the place where gay pride began. we expect to see thousands filling the streets from 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. >> thank you there in new york city. well from politics to football. for many it's not about the football, but about the halftime show. what lady gaga says about her

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welcome back. we're following breaking news on this saturday. you're looking live at picture from washington, d.c. and live pictures from new york city. this is the third saturday where we're waking up to protests around the country here in new york city we just talked with morgan radford. they're protesting around 2:00 and receives thousands already of rsvp's. tom costello is in washington, d.c. he says they're protesting the immigration ban and the wall. as you see already people are assembled in that protest is expected to begin withi the next 30 minutes or so. if we see anything breaking we'll bring that to you.

the third saturday here, where we're talking about protests in the afternoon. last week president trump threatened to quote, send in the feds to the city of chicago over the city's crime rate. already this year, take a look at this, more than 300 people have been victims of shootings in that city. that includes an eight hour period between thursday and friday of this week where there were four double shootings. let's bring in mary mitchell, a coloni columnist for the chicago sun times. put it into perspective for us. as compared to years past and ten years ago, is the situation in chicago getting better or worse? >> the situation in chicago is definitely getting worse or let's put it this way, it hasn't improved. the numbers of shootings and fatal shootings is on track for last year, which was one of the highest murder rates we've seen in more than a decade. i don't think it's getting better and that's a problem.

>> all of the shootings can't be random. how big is the problem of organized gang violence? >> i don't know if i would just say organized gang violence. the biggest problem is illegal guns in the hands of young immature people who settle their disputes not with a fight or not with words, but with guns. i think there's also a problem when you have the same young people on the internet having beeves and having problems with each other that they settle not by face to face conflict resolution, but with guns. so the biggest problem in chicago is the number of guns that are in the hands of these young people. >> i want to get your take on this, earlier president trump met with african-american leaders as you know, one of them said this about chicago. >> easily contacted by some of the top gang thugs in chicago. for a sit down. they reached out to me because they associated me with you. they respect you.

they believe in what you doing. they want to work with the administration, they believe in the administration, they didn't believe in the prior administration. >> in fairness he said it was a past gang member. but if that's true, what about trump makes gang leaders think things can be different? is this a plausible scenario in any case to you? >> i think this is a joke. i mean i do not believe -- first of all, the gang structure as we know it, does not exist in chicago, really. we are talking about block by block, factions and cliques of young people who are armed. i mean, in the old days it would have been this block having a fight with another block. today, because of the availability of guns, they can fatally wound somebody, shoot somebody and to take care of their problems instead of fighting. so i think that if trump wanted to do anything, talk about sending in feds, he would do something about getting tough on the trafficking of illegal guns

in urban areas, not just chicago, but baltimore, detroit, anyplace where you have a flow of illegal guns you'll have this problem. >> i was going to ask, i pictures families trying going to work, going to school. are they pointing fingers at the police or guns or what is it. >> they point fingers at the police. the police are between a rock and a hard place. not only the department of justice found the police are disproportionately targeting young african-american males and basically making unconstitutional stops. but at the same time, you have a very real need for police officers. when police officers stand down, when they're demoralized you're going to have a more difficult time getting these shootings under control.

so when trump says he's going to send in the feds, i would say send them on. come on with it. because chicago is in desperate need of stopping the violence, but also really, finding a way to get these guns out of the hands of these young people. >> so you're in favor -- there's so many people who were so upset when you talked about sending in the feds, you say bring it on? >> bring it on. and not only bring it on, these same people were saying when president barack obama was in office, they were saying that he should come to chicago and he should use his voice and use his bully pulpit to help fight the violence, well, trump could do the same thing. if trump wants to do anything, if president trump wants to do anything, he would himself come to chicago. he would himself figure out a way to get this -- stop the gun trafficking and hold a summit. this is a state of emergency when 762 people were killed last

year and we're on track for the same numbers this year. that's a disaster. >> i lived in philadelphia. every time you would see one shooting you're holding your breath for another because of the revenge factor. i read some of your columns, i was looking forward to talking to you. thank you for your time. we invite you to walk chicago in the crosshairs, a special town hall event hosted by chris hayes about the violence in the windy city coming up on thursday at 8:00 eastern mere on msnbc. the breaking news about president trump's executive order on immigration, major changes to it in the past 24 hours. what this does to the president's credibility. next. we're bringing you live pictures of some planned protests set to begin across parts of the country about this controversial ban. so beautiful. what shall we call you? tom! name it tom! studies show that toms have the highest average earning potential over their professional lifetime. see?

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planned protest set to start in washington, d.c. such a short time ago. the state department delivered a blow to president trump's controversial immigration order. saying it will reinstate the visas most of the people who lost them when the order was signed last week. let's bring in hugh hewwit, host of the hugh hewwit show and arthur of the fourth wave. the conservative play book for a lasting majority. and also joining me is the executive director of the new york state democratic party and a former senate aide to hillary clinton. and a white house columnist at the hill. good day to all of you guys. is this a win fortrump's opponents? >> it's both. what you're seeing is sort of the push back or fight back of the bureaucrats. they often get pilloried. they often get a bad rap. it's the bureaucrats that have to implement all of the

strategies. you saw it at the state department with the dissent report. you're seeing members of the senate and house also starting to push back because refugees are largely settling in a lot of red states across the country. when you're looking at the protests -- i think there are good people that are saying this is not sustainable. not only is it not right, it's not sustainable. if he signed an executive order without consulting a lot of the civil servants and people that have expertise in these areas, one wonders how far is he going to test his presidential power? so if we think about sort of the check and balances in government, we see that in this case, we also see it with the court decision, that it seems to be working. >> hugh, this was one of the president's first executive orders. does this affect his ability to get things done? >> no, i am surprised by judge robart's order.

i read it this morning. it will end up at the supreme court. but president obama's immigration order, the same path was travelled. it was enjoined and upheld, the injunction at the fifth circuit. and then a split supreme court upheld the injunction. presidents assert and courts review. when vice president mike pence gave a magnificent speech today in defense of judge gorsuch he did a lot to make sure that there will be a nine person court there when the ninth circuit ruling on the eo eventually gets up there. i expect, based on other precedents, when it gets to the supreme court, president trump's order will be upheld. >> do you get a sense that rex tillerson played a role in the decision to comply with the judge's order? >> we're seeing a lot of different reports about pushback on the question of green card holders and visas. but i think that preceded the judge's order as i understand it, sheinelle. i think, real, in terms of that order, the administration made the decision it would have to comply with it even as it

fights this ruling. of course, there was that oddity where the white house released a statement at one point describing it as an outrageous ruling then there was an updated statement that omitted the world outrageous. but they continued to protest the ruling in strident terms. >> we have a small screen here, a small little square here on the screen where people are looking at some of the protests. basil, we're looking at protests, this is the third saturday where we're talking about protests. on a saturday afternoon, where is all this going? the administration is vowing to fight the challenges to the order. how much can trump really do? what's in his power here? >> you know, the executive orders do give the president broad powers, what you're seeing is the call to resist, resist, resist. look, i don't know if the people that are protesting are democrats or republicans, democratic party is not behind these protests per se. so i think what you'll see is

protests and a lot of these folks, including the women who marched a few weeks ago. you're going to hear their voices heard more and more throughout the administration. maybe the administration believes that just sort of by attrition i guess they can keep doing what they do and maybe we'll get tired or maybe the protesters will get exhausted and go away. i don't think that's a particularly good strategy. because my guess is they're not going to go away. i'll say this very quickly, the vice president's speech was raised earlier in this conversation. one thing he said was in talking about his own family of immigrants, one of the concerns about that is that this ban and the way he talks about his family leads others to not believe they can talk about their own immigrants experience. it puts value on some experiences and not others. and i think that's what's pushing people into the streets. >> let me let you jump in there. i know you made that comment. i'm interested in your take on all of these protests and where you think all of this is going? >> i hope protesters keep

protesting and the first amendment remains strong. i know judge gorsuch is a huge supporter of the first amendment as are the entire court. it's very much in the keeping of american tradition to protest. election deniers i don't like. president trump is the legitimately elected president of the united states. when he acts within those authorities we ought to respect it. i don't like him tweeting at judges. i don't think it's appropriate or prudent to do that, to call themselves so-called. i think that makes it more difficult. a, they're a separate branch and deserve respect and they're not political branchs. it makes it more likely people will start calling him the so-called president and carry on the delegitimatization. it makes confirmation harder for all of his judicial nominees. i just know they going to get asked about his tweets and his criticisms of the bench. so i'm hoping he dials that back and reserves the right to say, i disagree with the decision, we will appeal it and we will win whp we g

when we get to the supreme court. >> coming up in the next hour, why new sanctions against iran will deiter the country from obtaining a nuclear weapon. reaction ahead.

> just like the first two saturdays of the new trump administration. some americans are hitting the streets in protest. good afternoon, i'm sheinelle jones at msnbc world headquarters in new york. 1:00 eastern time, 10:00 pacific. here's what's happening. planned protests happening nationwide and around the globe. this is in washington, d.c. protesters voicing their opposition on a number of issues, including the travel ban. a similar scene is expected to take place in new york in just about an hour from now. one of many rallies scheduled today. our countries are covering all of the developments. we begin with nbc's tom costello near the white house. tom, this protest just getting