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justice is spelled b-o-x. say hello to a powerful tool that gives you options to fit your budget. ♪ oh, i'm tied to this chair! ♪ dun-dun-daaaa! i don't know that an insurance-themed comic book is what we're looking for. did i mention he can save people nearly $600? you haven't even heard my catchphrase. i'm all done with this guy. box him up. that's terrible. hi there, everyone. i'm alex witt in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it is high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west and we have critical developments on this, day 16 of the trump administration. the trump travel ban in limbo at this hour. the white house fighting to get it reinstated, but whoos side is the law on? the president or the travelers? the immediate effect of friday's court ruling lifting the ban.
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travelers reuniting with family members who thought they were going to be denied entry and a key question that could face donald trump's supreme court pick. is he likely to be against any executive order that bans travel? we have new insight this hour for you, and then there's "saturday night live" lampooning the trump administration's daling briefing. >> it's not a ban! >> i'm sorry? >> it's not a ban. the travel ban is not a ban which makes it not a ban. >> but you just called it a ban because i'm using your words. you said ban. you said ban. now i'm saying it back to you. >> we'll have more on that in a moment. but we begin with politics and the trump administration after an appeals court decided this morning to deny its request to immediately reinstate the travel ban. vice president mike pence is confident the executive order will prevail and push back at critics in his own party during
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an interview with my colleague chuck todd this morning. >> many believe they've done it hastily and you have the opportunity to do a do-over. >> it was not done hastily. there may have been some leaders on capitol hill that were not informed in the usual niceties of washington d.c., but look, we live in a very dangerous world. the reality is there are people around the globe who have inspired violence here in the homeland. we just saw in the basement of the louvre, a mashet-wielding terrorist from egypt that came into that country. the american people know that the threats that we face are real. >> the court of appeals handed down its decision just past 3:00 a.m. eastern time hours after the justice department filed an appeal to lift the temporary restraining order put in place by federal judge robart. they said the ruling conflicts with the basic principle that an alien seeking initial mission to the united states has no constitutional rights regarding his application. in just a moment we will have
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live reports on the next steps in this fight. meanwhile, president trump is once again drawing criticism from members of his own party over his interest to reset the button on u.s.-russia relations. in fact, here is a clip from a new interview airing tonight that's raising eyebrows. >> do you respect put snin. >> i do respect him. >> do you? why? >> i respecta lot of people, but that doesn't mean i'm going to get along with him. he's the leader of his country. i say it's better to get along with russia than not, and if russia helps us in the fight against isis which is a major fight and islamic terrorism all over the world. >> right. >> that's a good thing. will i get along with him, i don't know. >> putin is a killer. >> there are a lot of killers. what? you think our country is so innocent? >> here's senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and senator ben sasse. >> i'm not going to critique the president's every utterance, but
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i do think america is exceptional. america is different. we don't operate in any way the way the russians do. >> putin is a mess. he's committed all sorts of murderous thuggery, and i am opposed to the way putin conducts himself in world affairs and i hope that the president also wants to show moral leadership about this issue. >> also new today, senator bernie sanders weighing in on efforts to filibuster the nomination of judge neil gorsuch to the supreme court. >> the nomination should get serious debate and have 60 votes, have 60 votes to do it less, to change the rules under which we have been operating for many, many years okay absolutely unacceptable. obama's nominations required 60 votes. so should trump's. absolutely. >> well, nbc's kelly o'donnell, she joins us from west palm beach, florida, not too far from mar-a-lago where president trump is staying for the weekend. with a good sunday to you, my
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friend. we have republican lawmakers giving their reviews of the travel ban and suffice to say it's not all thumbs up. what are they saying? >> reporter: one of the challenges is republicans took a big political risk at end of the obama administration by not moving forward with merrick garland and they have a nominee for the supreme court widely liked by the republicans and neil gorsuch is being overshadowed by another one of these iterations and also the president's policy on travel and refugees. many republicans understand the president's intent of wanting to have tighter vetting and his first responsibility to protect the country, but some frustration among republicans about how that travel initiative has been handled and now the fact that it's in the courts is being steppeon and at the same time they want to move forward with a successful nomination and confirmation of a supreme court nominee like neil gorsuch and we
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have been hearing less about him in the last few days than many republicans would like. so we're at a point when republicans are still saying they want to work with this president, they think there are things to be achieved for the country and to use sort of this unity that they now have in washington with the house, the senate and the white house, and some are frustrated about some of the missteps or missed opportunities coming from the white house. so you're hearing some criticism from prominent republicans and certainly mitch mcconnell will pick his intoes carefully to guide the president where he disagrees but to not travelel on him and not be seen in any way as an adversary to the president and we have an up and khmer republican like ben sasse of nebraska and at the same time he's sure that many of his constituents understand the distinctions he's trying to make. alex? kelly o'donnell, thank you very much for that from west palm
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beach. we'll see you again. we are joined by nbc correspondent pete williams and good morning to you. pete, how does the denial of the doj's emergency motion impact, how does that affect the current status of the travel ban? >> it doesn't change it at all and it keeps the current situation in place where the travel ban is not being enforced. here's where things stand. it was after midnight when they put the seattle ruling on hold after the president called it ridiculous and said it came from a so-called judge. the appeals court declined to act immediately and instead asked for a response from the two state that got the travel restrictions blocked. they remain on hold, same as yesterday and order officials are proceeding as though it never existed and travelers who arrived from the seven countries are allowed to come here and the visas that have been suspended
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by the order are once again valid. these are travelers from iran, iraq, libya, sudan, syria and yemen. they're being allowed to board u.s.-bound flights and when they get here they're allowed to enter. after the justice department filed its motion last night and the appeals court asked for a response from washington and minnesota. those are the two states whose lawsuit prompted the seattle judge to issue his order friday night and that's the order that stopped enforcement of the travel restrictions. here's where things stand. the legal brief from the states is due at midnight tonight eastern time. nothing's going to happen then because the justice department then has monday, most of monday until 6:00 p.m. eastern to file its reply and the appeals court is going to act only after it has received all those briefs. so that means monday night at the earliest for any further court action, alex? >> okay, pete, we have the administration this ban is
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constitutional. is that what the appeals court will look at? is that the deciding factor whether or not it's constitutionally correct? >> the immediate question before the appeals court is not that. the immediate question is should this judge's temporary order be allowed to remain in effect? >> i will say it's a tall order for the government to try to get it reversed because courts are reluctant. these sort of motions to stay a temporary restraining order which is what we have here, they're very seldom brought to appeals courts in the first place and they're disfavored on the appeals court and this litigation is at its very early stage. now the appeals court could say we can't decide that until we look at the merits and we look as to whether it's constitutional or illegal, the states argue both. they say this violates federal law in addition to the constitution. who knows how deeply the appeals court will get into it when it takes its final decision monday or tuesday or whenever it will
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be. >> pete, do you see a way that this could get to the supreme court? >> sure. whoever doesn't prevail before the court of appeals whether it's the government or the states will undoubtedly try to get from the supreme court what they couldn't get from the appeals court which is a temporary hold on the judge's orders so that the government can begin enforcing it again. on the other hand, if the states lose they'll go to the supreme court and say restore the judge's order. so, yeah, it will come to the supreme court's doorstep one way or the other. >> very quickly, how fast will that turn around within the supreme court? >> could be within a day or so. these things tend to proceed pretty quickly, these emergency motions. >> okay. pete williams in washington. thank you, pete, for that. jeremy peters and reporter for yoet the new york times," welcome to you both. jeremy, you first here. it certainly appears that donald trump is determined on this travel ban. he's digging in his heels and politically speaking is this a winning issue for him? >> well, in the sense that he's
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fulfilling his campaign promises going down the checklist of these very conservative policies then yes, it is. in speak being to conservative leaders and republicans in congress over the last week, they may not be too thrilled with the efficiency of the rollout here, but they are pleased with the policies. i mean, let's just look at what's happened over the last week alone. you have the president nominating someone who is unquestionable to the supreme court. you have him standing up for religious conservatives and to repeal the johnson amendment and you have very conservative immigration policies that he is pushing and fighting for despite courts telling him that he's gone too far. so, yes, i do think that among his base there is a lot of support for this.
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beyond that, can donald trump convince the rest of the country that he is the kind of president that they need? if we're having this conversation three years from now or even a year from now as republicans head into the midterm elections, it's going to be a much different conversation. >> let's talk about the democrats because caitlin, i know you've written about the whole immigration order galvanizing that party and they're trying to gain high ground, is there a sense that there are parts of america sidingith trum and that this is a riskyosion? >> it's interesting because democrats have been looking for a way to get off the mat, so to speak, after the election and this immigration order has really gal vapizvanized the par. democratic lawmakers compelled to go to airports and to go to these big rallies that have popped up and show this
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participation there and this has had an effect among the base and you see lawmakers trying to catch up with this movement. so democrats are facing a dilemma of their own, really, where they have a newly energized base and calling for their lawmakers to draw a very hard line against donald trump. not only on this issue, but on issues coming up like the supreme court nominee, as well and so they're having to kind of take that challenge. what they're benefiting, though, from is that the trump administration the way in which they rolled out this executive order was not great. received a lot of criticism even from republicans which is really interesting because there is public support for this kind of thing. i mean, you look at polling and there are more people who support a ban than don't, but it didn't come at a time where they had to -- you know, compelled to take immediate action, in other words, there wasn't a single event recently that caused the trump administration to take
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this action. they're benefitting from missteps from the trump administration, but they're also having to contend with their own base and trying to navigate this new era, as well. >> all right. jeremy, let's take a listen to something the president said the other day. here's that. we'll react on the other side. >> one of the things i heard this morning in watching the news was that amazingly, it's never happened before that politics has become a much bigger subject than the super bowl. this is usual super bowl territory and now they're saying that the politics is more interesting to people. >> think for some the word astonishing could be interchanged with the word interesting. >> or horrifying. >> or there's that, too, for some. are they able to tell donald trump to just tone this down? can they ask him what is to be gained, for example, comparing the leader of the free world with the super bowl? >> and they do. let's not forget that there are
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people around trump who are -- who have the credibility to do that. his son-in-law jared kushner being first among them. the problem is he doesn't tend to listen to them. he didn't tend to listen and pull back and reflect until he takes a hard, hard fall. >> do you think there have been so many leaks from this white house? do you think they're trying to get outside pressure the president to change his ways? >> no. i think it's disorganization, honestly, alex. i don't think there is a broader strategy here. it's a white house that is filled with a handful of trump loyalists and the rest of them from sean spicer on down, you know, just in termsf the real public faces that we see are not always trump loyalists and they're part of the party that trump ran against. so there's going to be differences in ideology and policy, and i'm sure that those are going to spill out more so over the next few months and i
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don't think trump has a problem with that. i mean, this is a guy that comes out of the new york city tabloid press atmosphere, and the kind of chaos that has always surrounded him has not really hurt him politically speaking nor did it tend to hurt him as a businessman. so i don't know that he sees at this point at least, much of a cost to this. >> yeah, good point there. >> so, caitlin, there is a new poll out that suggests half the country believe the president is undertaking too much and doing it too fast. is there a sense things will slow down? >> i don't think so. i think the sense is that, you know, maybe they will take more time in implementing some of these policies, but they're doing a lot by executive order which is interesting because republicans criticized the obama administration for doing things by executive order. they're not going through congress for much yet, but i do think that donald trump wants to show that he is fulfilling campaign promises and to
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jeremy's point, we talked to trump supporters and we're very happy with the way the administration is going now. some wanting to tone it down on a certain number of issues or in terms of rhetoric, but by and large there is a positive response to what he's been doing among those that have supported him and they see this as a way for him to do exactly what he said he would do. the challenge, though, is the way in which he is rolling out these executive orders, the way in which the messaging has been trampled on, the way in which you have a lot of things that he's done that you can capitalize on and celebrate among his supporters have been overtaken by other things that he's done, and i think the supreme court is a really great example of that. that was a choice that really united the republican party particularly on capitol hill and gave him a lot of momentum and political capital and then that's, you know, overshadowed again by the president commenting on the judge and so forth. >> all right. jeremy peters and caitlin burns,
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thank you very much as we give you a live look of what's happening right now outside of trump tower a pro-trump rally. >> meantime, would president trump's pick against the supreme court rule a travel ban. i'll ask about antonin scalia. when that pain makes simple errands simply unbearable... ...i hear you. i hear you because my dad struggled with this pain. make sure your doctor hears you too. so folks, don't wait. step on up. and talk to your doctor. because you have places to go... ...and people who can't wait for you to get there. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands... step on up and talk to your doctor today.
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judge gorsuch is one of the most qualified people ever to be nominated for this post. he's a man of principle. he has an impeccable resume. he's widely respected by everyone and judge gorsuch's proven track record upholding the constitution makes him the ideal person to fill the vacancy left by the late, great antonin scalia, a truly fabulous
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justice. >> president donald trump there taking time out of his latest weekly address to make the case for his supreme court pick, colorado judge neil gorsuch. let's bring in brian fitzpatrick and professor at vanderbilt university law school and former clerk for antonin scalia. a big welcome to you. let's get right into this because you had a real inside look at justice scalia's way of thinking, the way he did things. do you believe that judge gorsuch will carry on his legacy? >> i think that he will carry on the legacy in many way, but there i think there are differences between justice scalia and judge gorsuch. on the similarities he believes in original or texturalism which means judges should not be making the law. the democratic process should be making the law. as far as we can tell he follows those philosophies. one difference is temperament and justice scalia was a bomb thrower and he was leading a legal revolution.
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judge gorsuch is not like that. he's very mild mannered and he's very thoughtful and everyone likes him. he has a lot of friends and very few enemies and i think we'll see a change in temperament with gorsuch. the other difference, a legal difference is with regard to deference to the president, justice scalia believed that the courts should defer to the president when there was am big uities in the law because he thought the president was democratically elected and had more legitimacy than unelected federal judges do, but judge gorsuch does not believe that. he's written an opinion on the tenth circuit where he said if my hands were not tied by supreme court precedent i would not follow that deference to the present philosophy that scalia had. >> he seems to be quite weary of the executive overreach. how do you think he'll handle trump's highly controversial immigration order? >> i think this is an area where liberals should be very optimistic about judge gorsuch.
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he's not going rubber-stamp the trump administration. he's made that as clear as anything he's made clear in his decisions that he will not defer to the executive branch when the law is ambiguous. he's going to use his own, independent judgment of what the law means and that's going to be a change from scalia's philosophy and not a change that will be good, in my opinion, for the trump administration. >> so let's talk about senate republicans, who as you know, basically ran the clock out on president obama's pick merrick garland. do you think it's fair play if democrats try to do that with judge gorsuch. >> think it was crumby, and i wouldn't begrudge the democrats for being crumby back. they don't havehe votes to block gorsuch. in the end if they get rid of the fill buster and so what happens if gorsuch is defeated? who are they going to get next? no one on trump's list of 21 people is more thoughtful and
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more mild mannered than judge gorsuch. this is as good as it gets for the democrats and i just don't see what they gain by trying to block him. >> if he goes through the confirmation process, what are the biggest hurdles he can face? >> the biggest hurdle is whether the democrats insist on filibustering him and denying him the 60 votes and the republicans have the choice on whether to get rid of the filibuster and the republicans could get rid of it for the supreme court and that's the biggest hurdle. the second biggest hurdle is the confirmation hearings. you never know what can happen in those hearings and if you have one wrong thing you could get a lot of trouble and there will be attention paid. >> come see us again. >> my pleasure. >> still ahead, president trump's tv and twitter habits and whether he can continue that while holding the nation's highest office.
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a new article suggests there are parallels between the trump administration and that of richard nixon. we'll examine that, but first snl special guest median melissa mckarth we an epic spoof of white house press secretary sean spicer. let's all take a look. >> today, when he entered the room the crowd greeted him with a standing ovation which lasted a full 15 minutes, and you can check the tape on that. everyone was smiling. >> i'm also concerned about steve bannon. a lot of people are saying he's the one behind that muslim ban. >> yeah, you guys still aren't getting it. you need some props? my words are too big? i have to show you in pictures? great, here we go. when it comes to these decisions the constitution gives our president lots of power and steve bannon is the key adviser. okay? and our president will not be
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welcome back, everyone. i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. approaching 33 past the hour, here's what we're monitoring for you. it is game day in houston as the atlanta falcons get ready to take on the new england patriots. any moment anti-president trump protesters are expecteded to gather at a nearby park and march right there to nrg stadium and let's go to margaret radford. that's where she is in new york. good sunday morning to you. what's happening out there? >> reporter: happy sunday to you. we are standing in front of trump tower and you can see signs that say trump, we support you all of the way. i want to introduce you to philip from queens. why are you out here today? >> we're here to support trauchl
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and we see negative publicity for trump and we're out here to show support. >> what i believe in is that our country has the right to decide who comes in and who doesn't come in, and i think the president and the congress should decide that. >> reporter: did you think about the anti-president you saw yesterday. >> it's not just anti-trump, it's anti-american. you have a constitutional right to protect yourself and you don't have the right to throw rocks and spit on people and start fires. >> reporter: before i let you go, when you think about the issues that you care about most, what are say, the top two things you care most as a voter? >> believe the economy needs to be improved. i think the biggest problem with our country right now is everybody's hurting and they start looking to point fingers at other people. i think what we need is an economy like the 1950s where we manufacture again and that we have a better country economically. >> so the economy that you've
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heard a lot of people like philip describe why they're on the street supporting their president trump. >> morgan, thank you to you and your guests there outside of trump tower. we'll see you again. let's go to houston site of tonight's super bowl where security is very tight. nbc's ron mott is there with all of those measures in place and ron, with a good sunday to you, what are the challenges facing officials outside the stadium and inside, too. >> good day to you. >> you can see some of the early birds. you get falcons early birds and they're starting to arrive. we have long lines of cars coming in, alex and this is just the beginning and kickoff is not for another six hours or so. there's a lot of security in place and there's a lot of security in the place. we have the vice president on his way to houston to watch the game tonight and as you mentioned, those protests, we saw a decent number of folks, about 300 don't know how large the rallies will be and the marches will be. authorities are concerned about these folks not disrupting
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activities here. they are going to be kept fairly far away trt stadium. they should not be able to breach the security here, but we don't know what to expect. i spoke with an fbi special agent yesterday and they're talking about any threats against the game and no credible threats and that doesn't mean they're not looking into a lot of things. take a listen. >> we are at a level of heightened awareness and threats come in all of the time and our job is to mitigate those threats and we practiced and we rehearsed and we've been doing this for three years, so we're ready. >> reporter: this is a pretty big deal, obviously, alex, being a worldwide event. the department of homeland security classifies the super bowl as a tier 1 national security event which means the federal government is working in many, many agencies along with local and state officials to keep the festivities here safe. there were a couple of people detained by police, but by and large the ones we've seen this week have been pretty orderly.
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alex? >> ron mott, thank you very much outside that super bowl stadium. we'll see you again. among the 110 million people or so expected to watch the super bowl tonight, president trump. he has spent a lot of time both creating and watching television and there isn't much that he misses. msnbc's savannah sellers is here with more on that. with a good sunday to you, what did you find out about this? >> the president has been known to consume and comment on quite a bit of media and this came up this past week at the national prayer breakfast when trump suggested that we, quote, pray for arnold and for those ratings, but how much is the president of the united states actually watching? >> i just retweeted the best tweets. i mean, wow, what a great, smart tweet. >> "saturday night live" has millions of viewers each week. one of its recent keys to success, alex baldwin's donald trump. one of its reliable viewers, donald trump himself. moments after this sketch trump
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tweeted about it calling the show, quote, unwatchable and totally biased. we know a lot about trump's media consumption. >> i see a lot of great -- when you watch your show and all of the other shows. >> and how he rapidly reacts on twitter. just last week, trump tweeted about the, quote, carnage in chicago, seemingly random, but was just after a fox news report on violence in the city, likely inspiring the tweet, and it appears evening news and snl aren't all he tunes into. he loves to not only watch the morning shows live and he can see the tops of more than one show. >> a month after the election trump tweeted his response to a segment on morning joe, saying it was bill clinton who called him, not the other way around. >> journalists know the president of the united states is not only watch, but he's going to respond in real time. >> trump has been known to follow and comment on the media's portrayal of him since well before his campaign for the white house, but now the
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question is can a habit like this continue while holding the highest office? >> i can't imagine a president of the united states being able to watch "morning joe" and "fox and friends" and "60 minutes" and "meet the press" and also do the job of the presidency. >> recent presidents have chosen to stay away from coverage of their administration. >> if you look at george w. bush or barack obama or even back to richard nixon, these were presidents who said i can't really make a decision well if i'm involved in the hourly coverage. >> for now, the president might be watching, twitter handle at the ready unless the duties of the office keep him too busy to watch tv. >> president trump seems to be watching and reacting to so much tv that ad rates are increasing. the prices for issue advocacy spots have gone way up during shows he typically watches in an on effort to influence the president. >> that is an interesting
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nugget. thank you for sharing. savannah sellers, we'll see you again. a look at whether the president's fight for his travel ban orders are delaying other political priorities is up next in the next hour, the new poll about whether the country believes president trump is doing too much too soon. did you make that? i did... n't. hey, come look what lisa made. wow. you grilled that chicken? yup! i did... n't. mhm, lisa. you roasted this?
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a new political article suggests that president trump could soon see parallels between his administration and that of another controversial commander in chief richard nixon. here's the argument from authors john harris and daniel lipman. donald trump, a self-professed nixon admirer is learning this history about the precedence ney re in real time, his most dangerous enemies are people who ostensibly work for him. howard dean also former chairman of the dnc and former msnbc contributor. susan, you first. what's your response to that? >> it's certainly true, you have to be wary about those that are
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in your inner circle and how loyal they are to you. i think we've seen that a lot over the recent leaks we've heard from especially from homeland security and the state department about how the travel ban went into effect and how that kind of fell apart on some areas, but donald trump needs to also let go of some of that control to let the government work and that's the biggest problem when you have someone who is so controlling and they don't let the rest of the government function, it tends to kind of blow up in your face. >> so, howard, is there anything nixonian about what we're seeg in the trump white house or is that -- or is this article overreaching? >> well, i think it's an interesting article. look, i don't think the two are the same. first of all, nixon had been in the government for a very long time and understood exactly how it worked. had a somewhat paranoid personality, but he was also a lawyer. when push came to shove,
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although it was a very long struggle, did not precipitate the ultimate constitutional crisis which would have been to refuse to turn over the tapes in spite of the 9-0 supreme court. i think trump has a different nature to him. the thing i thought was very interesting, one, they're doing for their own aggrandizement or because they disagree with policy and the other is this is where nixon and trump are similar, for people who deeply disagree with the approach to government that both men have which is i'm right, everybody else is wrong and we'll do whatever it takes to get what i want and that, i think, is what's caused the early leaks in the trump administration and it's not a good sign. >> i asked jeremy peters of the new york times this last half hour, and he said he thinks it's just lack of organization. is that the case, do you think? >> it's in part lack of organization. it's also lack of experience. donald trump has never while
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he's run a very successful business, it was a family business that he ran and could control every aspect of it. this is the federal government. it runs differently. so it is something he has to modify his leadership style somewhat to get things done. >> can i ask you both -- >> go ahead. >> let me just on ei disagree with that a little bit. his aointment of bannon and miller who have a very out of the mainstream ideological agenda, they basically are trying to end run trump if trump doesn't do what they want. for steve bannon to go over and give general kellyann order, and i report to the president not to you, but had it know a lesser person who hadn't had all of that military experience, he might well have done it. trump is being end run by the people he trusts the most or relies on the most for
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ideological reasons. >> let's look ahead to the white house correspondents dinner at the end of april. both "the new yorker" and "vanity fair" canceled their post-dinner parties does that not play right into the anti-media message? >> it does, but it shows the really bad relationship that the white house has with the press and vice versa, and the white house is going to start to learn that they're going to need the press especially if they want to get their facts out and their stories out. so i find the whole thing very disturbing with the conflict that we've seen so far. i mean, when it comes to the correspondents dinner, it will be very interesting to see what donald trump does, but i think that's just a small, small part of really the bigger conflict within what's going on. whether he even attends? >> correct. howard, you have say number of writers and reporters and you have "house of cards" creator they're calling for a boycott to the dinner altogether. what would that accomplish?
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>> that's very interesting. you ow, beau, i'm very proud to say was in my campaign. he learned everything from us, all of that dark stuff, right? >> that's a great show. good for you. >> it is a great show. >> i'm a little scared now, governor. our campaign was nothing like that, and we didn't win. >> anyway, what do you think? what does this mean? this is a very insider event and it's important to the press corps and i don't think it's important to anybody else and it is an opportunity for the president to go and score some points. obama did that very well and by laughing at himself, and so did clinton to get through some very sticky, wickets by laughing at himself and making jokes. it is a great opportunity for the president and it is an inside insider event and i don't think most people care about the white house correspondent dinner. >> it happened, and politico reported that at least two republican lawmakers in solidly red districts were essentially shouted down by constituents
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this week and this was by town halls. susan, does it suggest to you that there is not support to repeal and replace? >> for this administration and the house and the senate to fully explain that you're not going to be losing your benefit, sounds familiar, we go back eight years, but you really need to do that because people are overall okay for their health care and they just don't want to see the rates go up. so what the administration needs to do is we'll continue to provide you this health care that you like at a more affordable price. >> all right, you guys, that will be a wrap right there. susan del percio and howard dean, thank you so much. you'll hear about a college student about the toll this week has taken on him.
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days, after a week of legal turmoil and still no resolution on president trump's travel ban or how it will affect visa holders from seven muslim majority countries. joining me now harvard university student, you are studying public policy at the kennedy school of government which makes you most interesting, you wrote this fabulous new york times op ed. you say you're worried about your travel, but it will be restricted under the travel ban. so as i understand it your father is lebanese, your father is syrian, but you are a canadian citizen, naturalized. so where does this leave you? >> that's the question i've been asking for the last week, alex. i'm very much a product of the u.s., of the globalization, so you named where my mom and dad are from. i grew up in lebanon and moved to canada for law school and now i'm in the u.s. for grad school, and you know, i grew up in
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beirut watching u.s. tv, listening to music and very much dreaming of getting here one day, and now this order kind of changes everything. i am, like you said, a student of public policy and have a number of conferences planned, and i'm just really worried about leaving. i understand that dual nationals haven't been exempt. the truth is there has been no clarity. my friends who are not even from the seven countries who have been stopped and detained, one that hasn't been allowed back in, so it's been a frightening time, and i remember last saturday i woke up after the ban came into effect and i, for the very first time felt like i was not welcome in the u.s. like i was not wanted here. >> of course, you are, but that having been said, your passport will have canadian citizenship now and you still expect this to be a problem?
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canada is not o of those seven nations. >> that's completely true except that last week we had nationals -- dual nationals being stopped at the border and not allowed back in. the biggest problem with this order has been the confusion, and let's be clear. i'm in a privileged spot. i am very lucky to be at harvard and to be a grad student here, but the point is is that this ban is blanket so student like me, thousands of students from the middle east would not be allowed to come and study at harvard and across the u.s. if this stays in effect. we're basically not the ones you want to be keeping out of the country. >> ziad, what does this mean? you can't travel internationally indefinitely. does that mean you can't get home to canada? >> so my family, my entire family still lives in lebanon. my mom, dad and sisters. it means for the time being that i don't know. i wish i had the answer.
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harvard has been supporting us, providing us legal advice and even that hasn't been clear. yeah, i really don't know. >> i've got to say i've been reading the harvard crimson taking a look at this whole issue there and what they're trying to do. what we do know is many of the trump administration's concerns are related to potentially insufficient vetting processes and the president tweeted after the ban was suspended, quote, that dangerous people may be pouring into our country. look, i'm sure you've experienced our vetting processes. what's your response to that? >> and i think that's exactly the point. i have been stopped at u.s. borders many times and held for hours, and i am completely okay with that. the u.s. has every right to decide who gets in and out of the country. the problem with this order is it's blanket. even though i was stopped many, many times i never doubted that i would be let back in because i have my papers in order. i have nothing to hide, and i have been let back in, but now i don't know.
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if i can give you just the example of the program at harvard. i'm here at a fellowship from the center of public leadership. every year they pick ten students from across the arab world to come study and harvard and this is fully funded by the government and there is no u.s. money that goes into it, but of the ten students there this year half of us wouldn't be able to come in if that ban is reinstated and even worse, the whole program might be in jeopardy. so again, we -- international students are not the people you want to keep out of the country. we go back to the middle east and we're ambassadors for the u.s. we've experienced american kindness and american culture and we go back with that to our homes. >> as a mom, i always tell my kids there can be a silver lining to all of this, and i think yours will be this experience and ultimately what you take back and make it a better place. so ziad, thank you so much for
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your time. i appreciate it. good luck. >> thank you very much, alex. at the top of the hour, inside the trump white house and we'll talk to the writer of a new article that describes the 16-day old renovation as the court of the renaissance king. y. aaaahh!! ooohh!! uh! holy mackerel. wow. nice. strength and style. which one's your favorite? come home with me! it's truck month! find your tag for an average total value over $11,000 on chevy silverado all star editions when you finance through gm financial. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. g new cars. you're smart. you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is, and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar.
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