does not plan to take that temporary order -- halting the president's immigration order to the supreme court. instead, the white house official says the administration will focus on defending the order on it's merit. again, that stay on the president's executive order apparently the white house will not try to get that lifted to the supreme court. that does it for this hour. mtp daily starts right now. if it's friday, does repeal and replace suddenly have a new meaning? tonight, hitting the wall. after a 3-0 decision against his travel ban, what will it take for president trump to pivot after this latest setback? >> ultimately i have no doubt that we'll win that particular case. plus -- [ do your job ] >> the winter of discontent. >> why the ground game is coming faster and fiercer than we've

seen in a long time. two different world leaders are taking different paths to navigate an america led by donald trump. >> this is mtp daily and it starts right now. welcome, it does appear the setbacks are piling up early right now for the new trump white house. protest at republican town halls are any indication, there's growing anxiety over the trump presidency as his team battles blowback from the courts. some ethical missteps, policy confusion, and new allegations of improper contact with, guess who, russia. folks, every administration has it's growing pains at the beginning and they adapt, they change. trump's white house capable of doing that? is the president comfortable doing that? this news just in moments ago. a senior administration official says the white house does not plan to take their case on the

travel ban all the way to the supreme court. instead this official says the white house is focussed on defending the order on it's merit, likely before a federal district court. we'll explain that in a few minutes. today at a white house press conference with the japanese prime minister, we saw a president trump not quite ready to acknowledge that his travel ban needs to be, to borrow a phrase, repealed and replaced. here's the president answering a question about the legal setback. and that has derailed that executive order. >> we'll be doing something very rapidly, having to do with additional security for our country, you'll be seeing that some time next week. in addition, we will continue to go through the court process and ultimately i have no doubt that we'll win that particular case. >> so right now, it certainly looks as if the white house is moving towards a strategy that may be fight in the courts here, and then addendum over here, not

quite at repeal and replace, even though some are. court cases take time, and administration officials tell nbc that the white house is rewriting the travel ban as a possible way to free it from it's current state of legal purgato purgatory. perhaps the new draft is what mr. trump was hinting at when he said the white house is doing something next week. then again, we have news that they want to argue the merits of the legal case which in itself, no matter how the federal court rules will get appealed to the circuit, end up in the supreme court. is that something that they want to spend this much time and political capital on? sometimes, his kourgs corrections are messy, rather than apologize for say the

birther issue or insulting a judge or apologize to a a gold star family, he stops talking about them. often these pivots take arguably way too long, but he does do it eventually. so ultimately, watch what the president does with this travel ban over the next week or longer. it may not match what he says or said today. i'm joined now by john ewe who served as a deputy district at the department of justice during the bush 43 years. he's a professor at uc berkeley and a scholar at the american enterprise. welcome to the show, sir. >> hey chuck, thanks for having me back. >> so i know that you've been looking at the ruling carefully, i'm curious of what you -- what you think of the white house decision right now. according to our breaking news that they want to instead, okay, go argue the order on the merits. go have a trial in federal court in washington. what do you make of that

decision? >> that's good news for the country and the trump administration. it'd be better news if as you said earlier in your lead-in the trump administration withdrew the executive order and entirely let everyone with a visa in, let all the green card holders back in and issued a new order that was more modest and carefully done to take into account the criticism that the ninth circuit and the trial judge here levied against the order. >> what did you think of that criticism? i mean, you know, you've been somebody that's argued for expanded presidential powers in the past. what did you make of the ruling? >> i think some was a stretch, the fact that washington state had standing to bring the case in the first time also the courts stretched in the i that it could look at the motive perhaps religious in nature behind the president's order.

the court also might have stretched far to say people who might have come into the country who had visas, but weren't here before also had some kind of right to come into the country. but i think the main point is, there is a hard, legal issue here between the president's power under the immigration laws to suspend immigration, but also immigration laws requirement that they not be administered in a way that discriminates. >> and that's what i was going to ask you. that to me has been the trickiest part to defend for the administration. if you look at specific law, 1965, it seems to bar what he did. >> yeah. the fact of the matter is you have two statutory provisions, both passed by congress in different years. the one the right of the president to suspend the entry of a class of aliens, quote/unquote. the other, don't discriminate based on base, national origin, gender. this executive order brings us

both into conflict. and i don't blame the district judge here or the circuit court from saying look, we're going to stay the executive order until we have time to have a real full argument and case and finally a decision on the merits. >> that's all this has been about, just a temporary holding off on executive orders so we can have a real case. >> walk me through the timeline, how long do you think it would take to argue this case on the merits and get it, and let's be realistic, federal court, then circuit, then supreme court, if this is how this goes. what is that time? what is a realistic timeline. it's of importance to the government where the legal issues are pretty clear, i think it could be a few months. but, i'd be very surprised if it

could get all the way to the supreme court by the end of the spring. >> do you think people have less rights than people who regularly travel here on a visa and have been here before? is there a difference there? there seems to be some debate about that. >> yes, that's a good question, and that is the real part i think of the lower court opinion here, the ninth circuit case that was a stretch was to say they thought it was pretty solid that visa holders outside the country who've never been to the united states and have no connection to the united states had a right to come into the united states. that was on a par with people at green card holders who already have been here, have a relationship here, and the courts have said, have a right to come back without -- or at least have a hearing before they're barred. i think there is dangerous in the way the law treats them. so i think that's what i meant when i said the trump

administration could withdraw and issue a new one that was more careful that was just focussed on people who might be cong from those countries who've never been here before. that's where the courts might uphold the administration. >> and do you get a sense from anybody that you've talked to that they are leaning in that direction or that the president's not there yet? >> well, the sense you get from people i think within the administration, they know they've suffered a setback, and i think they're trying to pull back the order and to -- but i think the president doesn't want to look like he's backing down or that he's ever lost, but the fact of the matter is, if he's going to be president for the next four years, he's going to be in court a lot. and he's going to lose a lot of cases. no president wins -- has 1,000 batting average in in court. >> that's for sure. former assistant attorney general, back in the office of legal council in those days. appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. thank you, sir. >> thanks. let me bring in the panel.

>> based here in washington, d.c. >> with e know they're not coming to the supreme court to lift the temporary ban, but it seems like they're not -- this white house does not at repeal and replace yet. >> i think they haven't determined exactly what they want to do, but they certainly realize, i think, that the slap dash process by which the eo, the executive order was put together impacted it's content. and has gotten them into trouble. trump may not be yet at a place where he wants to essentially publicly admit he made a mistake. >> he spent a lot of time talking about how incompetent they were and he and other

business leaders were. everything about how this order was done screams of inexperience -- look, we've had plenty of inexperienced presidents, he was surrounded by people that hadn't done this before either. >> it screams of inexperience, but what's key here is whether or not he will ever admit that he loses. this idea in the last year that i covered presidential politics, i think what i took away from donald trump, he does not like to lose and he has people in his mind that are winners and those are the people that he has around him. those are the people he's assigning to his cabinet. that's how he explains it to people when he says he's bringing in goldman sachs because they're winners. idea that donald trump is going to sit on tv next week and say, i actually made a mistake and i'm going to take back this order and issue a new one, just doesn't seem like something that i'm going to see. >> he won't ever do the politically expedient thing. look, i understand it you don't want to be expedient because you don't want to look like you're sacrificing your principle. but look, if you can't ever

admit a setback or a mistake, you're not going to succeed. we're going to make a few tweaks. even if it's totally new, no politicians, certainly no president likes to say that thing we just did, we screwed up. barack obama didn't like to do it, none of us like to do it. but you have to find ways to do, john was pointing the right one, in four years, there are going to be times in which no matter even with the best of intentions, even to her point, he didn't do this. let's say he had done his due diligence here. there's going to be situations in which you run afoul of the courts, you have to find ways to say, politically, you know, you can't just declare victory. can i make one other quick point. at 1:30 today, in the press

conference with the japanese prime minister, donald trump was asked about this and he says, we're thinking, we'll make an announcement next week, we're going to repeal it, we're going to win. then at your show, starts at 5:00, he's now -- >> well, he would argue that arguing the full merits of the case. i think he would say hey, we're pursuing the court route, we're not going to the supreme court yet. >> i sort of -- look, i watched maybe just the first impression, i would say i do think is i feel like there's a huge disconnect between he sometimes will say things panelly and hours later, we'll hear the trump administration says, actually what he said isn't true or they're not doing it. >> and i think the frustration in this town particularly among capitol hill republicans.

>> he's got to get this out of his head. >> that's a fact that's never going to change. there's no pivot to depersonalize donald trump, but i think you've hit on an important point which is the people around him. inexperienced presidents are not anything, bill clinton, barack obama, bill clinton got rid of matt who came with him from arkansas, didn't have government experience, barack obama surrounded himself with rahm emanuel and john podesta, people who really knew the inner workings of the federal government. trump may come to that realization, i tnk the question is when. reince priebus has never run the federal government, run a white house before and neither have other senior advisors. and i think the question people are starting to ask is when does he realize he needs somebody who knows the way capitol hill works, the white house works. >> that's mike pence.

>> that is the assumption, and i think that that's what got a lot of republicans to back him. this idea that -- i think that's also what got voters vote for him. when i talked to people, they said okay, he's a little brash, he's inexperienced. question let thing goes but smens going to steady the ship. it remains to be seen whether or not mike pence can convince him to maybe do some politically expedient things. >> i'm going to preview something we're going to talk about later in the show. we're going to find out about mike pence's influence depending on the future of mike flynn. i don't want to get dogged down now, but that's going to tell us a lot. >> the thing that is hard is she's right, he could bring in a more experienced quote/unquote team, it doesn't matter what brings in if he doesn't listen to them. and that's always the danger. he could surround himself with the most, the james bakers of the world, people who have done this in republican circles for a very long time, if ultimately they say, mr. president, can you

not just watch cable and then tweet at night. or very early in the morning. and he says, i got to be me, which the campaign would suggest that's his mo, and he's a 70-year-old man who i don't think is going to change how he operates, it doesn't matter who -- >> he's also personalized that he's been talking about so-called judges and doing things that are making it personal and making it hard for him to give this up. >> the irony is his best 11 days in the campaign with the 11 days that they seem to take away his phone. tweeting. the last 11 days of the election. you are sticking around for the hour. coming up, tea party lack protests from the left. party like it's 2009, making themselves heard at republican town halls. from jason chaffetz in utah to california's tom mcclintock, congressman mick clintock will join me to talk about the reaction he had to this growing opposition. stay with us.

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welcome back to the ongoing battle over confirming president trump's cabinet. republicans and democrats in the senate finally agreed on something. they agreed to take the weekend off and go home. the senate is skipping a scheduled saturday session after voting to confirm tom price as health and humans services secretary. around 2:00 a.m. this morning. but rather than work over the weekend, votes are now scheduled on monday for the treasury nominee steven mnuchin and the veteran's affairs pick, david shulkin. and there's one on tuesday, potential nominee, linda mcmahon. all three likely confirmed. you can expect some democrats to vote no. through just nine, 241 nays on president trump's nominees. according to to the washington post, there is more than the nominees of any other president, except one, barack obama. and there are still 12 more confirmation votes to go. so it's likely by the way that there will be more no votes here, or at least close to the obama record on the gop side. interesting to note by the way

on monday's va confirmation vote, since the position was made cabinet level, every nominee has been confirmed with no opposing votes. and president trump's nominee would be the first va secretary who never served in the armed forces. so he's not a veteran. i'm guessing he's going to get some no votes. coming up, we'll look at backlash some members of congress are facing back home. ad and the security just like the marines did. at one point, i did change to a different company with car insurance, and i was not happy with the customer service. we have switched back over and we feel like we're back home now. the process through usaa is so effortless, that you feel like you're a part of the family. i love that i can pass the membership to my children, and that they can be protected. we're the williams family, and we're usaa members for life. call usaa today to talk about your insurance needs. why pause a spontaneous moment? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex.

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congresswoman diane black was grilled by constituents about repealing the affordable care act last night. here's what happened when she left that town hall. [ booing ] >> in georgia, activist packed an office hours event for three republicans, perdue, isaacson and hice. only aids were there and the crowd was not happy. [ shame chants ] >> and in cincinnati today, protesters gathered outside a luncheon where senator rob portman was set to speak. >> i'm a constituent too. listen to me. >> you should have said no. you should have said no. >> portman never made it to that event. his spokesman said he was stuck in d.c. because of the senate votes. as we've been saying, the protests feel a lot like the thaerpt ones we saw in august of 2009. but that was august.

these are coming a lot faster and appear to be a lot fiercer than those were back in 2009. republican congressman tom mcclintock was confronted by protesters at his town hall last week. he joins me now. congressman mcclintock, thanks for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> we all saw the video, i think it was on a saturday and it was making the rounds on social media, let me ask you this, a week later or nearly a week later, what did you learn from that episode? what did you learn about sort of where your district is, where the country is, and wh this all means. >> i think there are a lot of people that are very upset that donald trump was elected donald trump and they disagree vigorously. i tried to remind them, there were many americans who disagreed just as vigorously with barack obama. interestingly, they're not mad at donald trump because he's broken any campaign promises, they're mad at him because he's keeping all of his campaign promises. and, of course, that's what the

election was about in a real sense, that's what the last four elections have been about. >> let me ask you this, do you feel a different pressure in responding to your constituents even though while you carried your district very comfortably, donald trump carried it with less vote, but he carried your district, but california in general went so decisively blue. does that make you feel, well, maybe i should moderate my stance on x or y? how much of that impacts you? >> i think it's a reminder that we're ultimately going to be judged on the outcome of the policies that we enact. you know, there's no way ultimately that you can spin the economy or spin the health care system, everybody has an up close and personal experience with it. they know what's going on in their own lives and any politician or pundit trying to convince them otherwise is going to look rather foolish. so what it means is, we've got to deliver. i think that nancy pelosi and the democrats made a big mistake in imposing obamacare without

thinking through very carefully how it would affect the vast majority of americans. that's why nancy pelosi's no longer speaker, and that's why donald trump, not hillary clinton, is president. we need to be just -- we need to take that example and be very careful that the policies that we provide actually mean an improvement in both the economy and the health care system for the vast majority of americans. >> well, let me focus on health care a minute. i think what is interesting is how it does seem as if that is, at least at the town halls we've seen so far, that is the motivator, right, it is constituents that are worried about the changes in the health care law which is frankly what we saw eight years ago. in 2009, in the reverse, it was constituents more from a conservative point of view concerned about the changes that were coming. health care's a very personal thing. >> right. >> what -- how is that going to impact how you -- what you -- the speed with which you'd like to see a change in the health

care system? we're having this whole debate. how fast do you repeal, replace, repair, et cetera, where are you on this? >> as soon as we can, but be sure that we're right. we're going to be judged on the outcome of these policies. in the last four elections, this has been one of the most promine prominent, if not the most prominent issue before the american people, and it is produced a profound realignment towards the republicans. now we're judged by the policies we enact and we just got to get it right. >> what is getting it right to you? what are some things that you're worried may go in the wrong direction? >> well, the ultimate vision for health care that the republicans put forth in these elections is to assure a very wide selection of health plans, restore the freedom of individual families to shop around for the best policy, that best meets their needs, and then to use the tax

credits we currently lavish on corporations to impose a plan for their employees, give those same tax advantages to the employees themselves so they can select a plan, not only that best meets their needs, but they can own and take from job to job and they can fire if it no longer serves their needs. a wide range of choices and within the reach of families. >> and does it have to cover preexisting conditions in your mind and have to at least allow families to keep their children on all the way up to the age of 26? >> well, what we have to understand the problem of preexisting conditions, this was brought home to me years ago and a fellow lef his job, therefore lost his employer health plan went into the private sector to find one, couldn't because he had a preexisting condition. he says i don't care about that, that's a nuisance, write me a plan that covers everything else and i'll take care of it myself. we'd love to write you such a plan, but we can't, it's against the law. you know, if you allow the

freedom so that people can exempt their nuisances and separate those out from the things that could bankrupt or kill them, now you've reduced that pool to a manageable level and then the same kind of assigned risk pools we currently use for example for autoinsurance could be used for that purpose. >> then how do you not punish the person that has the preexisting condition in a high-risk pool? why punish them with a higher insurance rate just because of their dna? >> well, insurance covers risk, it doesn't cover certainty. why is it that a health plan can only charge you 1% of the cost of a serious illness? it's because you only have a 1% chance of contracting that illness. if you're at 100%, that's not risk, that's certainty. the assigned risk pools spread that burden across the consumer base, they're very successful in assuring that those who are otherwise can't get insurance,

for example, for automobiles still have access to that market. >> right, but and it's hard to make that comparison, the people that can't gate high risk autoinsurance is because they're bad drivers or they' had, you know -- it is -- wther you're talking about health and preexisting conditions, preexisting can come you're born with an ailment. that's what i mean. is like why penalize -- why create a similar system in insurance, you're paying your own penalty for bag bad driver? >> chuck, again, i agree with you, what i'm saying is the assigned risk pool can spread that cost, that risk, across very wide base to assure that those who do have serious preexisting conditions can obtain the insurance that they need. >> but you wouldn't have those risk pools include healthy people? include people without preexisting conditions? >> the whole idea is to spread that cost across the overall

consumer base. >> okay. so -- but -- there has been some talk that no, you put people with preexisting conditions in a high risk pool system, separating them out from the general population. you're not suggesting that? >> what it does is -- then give them the broad subsidies that they need to be assured that their health insurance is still within their financial reach. and again, you boil that problem down, first in my view by assuring that those who have nuisances like that can still get insurance and aren't being blocked because of that nuisance affliction. if you're over 45 as i am, long way over 45, everybody's got some preexisting condition. >> all right. one last question, advice to fellow members of congress who are ducking town halls. i'm sure you didn't have a lot of fun at some of these town halls, but you did it. some of your colleagues aren't doing it, what would you tell them? >> well, be careful because emotions are running very, very

high, aye done over 100 town hall meetings over the entire span of the tea party movement and occupy wall street, this was the first time that a police department determined that i needed an armed escort to safely leave the venue. so i'd urge them to be very careful. on the other hand, i find town halls to be very, very important in hearing the concerns of constituents. i intend to continue to do them. it's an important part of that interaction between a representative and a constituency. >> all right. congressman tom mcclintock, appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. >> thanks for having me. >> you've got it. still ahead, it turns out national security advisor mike flynn may have talked to the russians about sanctions afterall. he now says he can't be certain the topic never came up. the topic is definitely coming up right here in a few minutes. rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a medication...

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welcome back to mtp daily. turns out according to a u.s. intelligence official president trump's national security advisor discussed sanctions with the russian ambassador before the president took office. that's despite what he told the president and chief of staff who both defended him on this issue on tv during the transition.

>> they did not discuss anything having to do with the united states' decision to expel diplomats or impose a sen tur against russia. >> none of that came up. the subject matter of sanctions or the actions taken by the obama administration did not come up in the conversation. >> there was no challenge of american policy currently by mr. flynn with the russian ambassador? >> none. >> there you go, both the vice president and the white house chief of staff out there defending him. u.s. intelligence official tells nbc news he was surprised when flynn initially denied discussing the sanctions on russia with the ambassador. spokesperson for flynn later seemed to walk back that denial telling the post, mr. flynn couldn't recall whether or not sanctions were talked abouted. folks, this could be another strike against the already divisive national security advisor. police close to the president told me he doesn't like when folks are accumulating bad press

and flynn has accumulated his share of bad press. the question now is how many strikes does flynn get with the president? joining me now ken delaney. i want to get at why, how the government knows so clearly what flynn said to the russian ambassador. it's not as if they're going off on he said, he said, there's tapes. there's wiretaps. explain. >> sources haven't been particularly clear on exactly how they know this are there transcripts, notes from conversations? what seems fairly evident is that the fbi is monitoring the conversations of the russian ambassador of the united states. particularly at a time when they're investigating whether russia is interfering with the election and hacking the democrats. what sources are remarking to me today, it's amazing that mike flynn wasn't aware or thought that he could represent one thing when the facts evidently suggested another thing. >> so there's a couple of troubling aspects to this. on one hand, there's the fact

that he didn't realize this, what you just brought up, on the other hand, there's the fact that somebody in the administration somewhere has decided to leak all of this out. that's also, to some might be disconcerting. >> we've had a change in administrations. so there are a lot of obama administration officials briefed on this matter who may talk about this, they're generally concerned. i think from what you played here, it's very clear that mike flynn hz a political problem, but the other question i was trying to look into today, does he have a legal problem? and that's less clear. >> where he may have been -- it's a act, 1799 when it was put in, late 18th century, never really been use to prosecute anybody. and even iaw ambassador mike mcfall, defended saying, you know, it is really hard to know when you cross that line in the logan act if you're just trying to have courtesy calls. >> that's right.

and many analysts today said it wouldn't have been inappropriate necessarily for mike flynn to discuss the issue of sanctions with the russian ambassador or even to say, hey, we're going to look at this, it'll be a new policy. what the political issue though and what's got democrats angry about this is the notion that was there a secret deal cooked up to lift sanctions on a foreign adversary that helped the trump administration get elected allegedly? >> that's it. and the other part, correct me if i'm wrong had to do with the fact that the -- the reason there was skepticism about the way this sanction stuff was held is that the russians never responded. >> right. >> and that's what -- that was the red flag that got apparently somebody in the government to say, what exactly did they -- what kind of conversationings with the russianed a bass dor had? >> the united states expelled 35 russian diplomats and everyone expected vladimir putin to take action. he took no action. and then donald trump praised

that move on twitter the next day. and that got people looking. >> all right. i'm going to preview the conversation we're having with the panel, we did get an update, president went back to visit the press cabinet with the first lady. he was asked about the mike flynn story in the washington post and he said he hadn't gotten to it yet. hadn't seen it. offered nothing else. no defense. nothing. if i'm mike flynn, that would make me a little bit nervous. ken, i know you're reporting on the story, get back to work. >> thanks. still ahead, why i'm obsessed with how two different world leaders are dealing with president trump. stay tuned. hey there, starting your search for the right used car? i am! you got it. just say show me millions of used cars for sale at the all new carfax.com. but, i don' want one that's had a bunch of owners just say, show me cars with only one owner pretty cool it's perfect. that's the power of carfax® find the cars you want, avoid the ones you don't plus you get a free carfax® report with every listing

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tonight i'm obsessed with how other nations are approaching relations with the new unorthodoxed president of the united states. in the last 24 hours, two major countries take two very different paths in approaching president donald trump. you could call one a warm hug versus a cold shoulder. you could say the word of the day at the white house with the japanese prime minister was flattering. shinzo abe was very conciliatory toward president trump. name-checking trump tower during the joint press conference, talking about new investments in u.s. infrastructure even new jobs that would be invested by japanese companies in the united states and of course praising president trump's golf game before being whisked away for a weekend at the winter white house in florida. compare that with the chinese president xi ping. he dodged the president's call until he had assurance in

writing that the u.s. could couldn't to abide by the one china policy. something president trump seemed to question in december when he talked to the president in taiwan. now the white house read out of thursday's call with the chinese leader that president trump agreed at the request of president xi to honor our one china policy. the difference in attitude between japan and china may be an extension of how badly each country believes they need the united states. one thing we know, other countries are watching closely. hoping to see what strategy appears to be more successful. we'll be right back. hey, ready ? yeah. >>uh, hello!? a meeting? it's a big one. too bad. we are double booked: diarrhea and abdominal pain. why don't you start without me? oh. yeah. if you're living with frequent, unpredictable diarrhea and abdominal pain, you may have irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. a condition that can be really frustrating. talk to your doctor about viberzi, a different way to treat ibs-d. viberzi is a prescription medication you take every day

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afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. welcome back. time for the lid. as i told you, the president and the first lady went to talk to reporters quickly in air force one a few moments ago. and president trump told reporters that he is considering signing a new executive order on immigration. one more go around with our panel on that. i told you already the news on mike flynn. the fact that he had nothing to say or he hadn't seen that story.

all right. we already went through this executive order. i think we see the president's getting there. and he is prepared, and he talked about the expediency issue on that front. >> which is smart by the way. he's doing the politically smart thing to do. >> absolutely. they're just part. that's smart thing to do. >> they are showing pictures of air force one. all of us have had experience covering donald trump, one thing is aware of is being -- >> it's unlikely le is totally unaware of it. if i was mike flynn that report would make me uneasy. mike flynn -- >> there's no fake news. none of that. >> mike flynn's greatest asset is he was the first and loyal trump supporter. at some point, i think trump

looks at this and says this guys has been nothing but trouble since i picked him. trump is loyal isn't help isn't any more. >> he is loyal until he heres something about -- i think about chris chris stee and out stead from the circle. he is almigh-- >> he does hang longer than most politicians when it come to most. >> george bush was criticized for taking too long to fire people. trump it seems to me has no problem no returning loyalty or

rewarding royalty. >> let's go to what this is really about, potentially about the relationship with the vice president. the vice president made not care as such about the chief of staff as sitting vice president. >> you know, flynn has now impar raled and put two other important people in trump's close circle on the line and caused them public embarrassment. it's been embarrassment to rein priebus and it puts him in a peculiar situation. >> i don't think donald trump uses hims an eal, but i think he values mike pence more than your average staffer. it is clear that mike pence was told something that according to "washington post," i know all

three are great, nine intelligence sources say what's not right, politician do not like to go out and testify publicly for someone and have the stool pulled out from under them. that's what it looks like happened here. >> what do you think about washington, when you feed the beast, and you fire somebody and you feed the beast, it can satisfy the beast for a while. there's a strong assumption that including that two members of the president's cabinet had it come tos secretary of state and secretary of defense. there's a little upside for the president to dump him rather than keep him. >> there's a political upside to letting people know, or showing

people this guy did wrong or if he is someone that's not well-liked or not seen people want to work with, he going to put them out there. i'm interested to see how mike pence fits into this, i think that he not someone going to spread fake news, he is not going to sunday shows, people are going to say we don't want you this sunday. when mike pence is telling you something you can believe this. that's a big part of this. >> when you talk about people close to donald trump, mike pence is not always mentioned. second thing, it's not insignificant that trump yesterday overruled secretary of state rex tillerson choice, elliot abrams, this a way to

award secretary defense who have clashed with mike pence. >> it could launch a feeding frenscy. >> one thing, how -- the conversation is not necessarily -- it's in a gray area. you didn't talk about something that was taped is the problem. >> that's right. >> fair enough. >> all this time. >> well done. we almost landed the plane almost on time. after the break, the british parliament fun ka dellish style. stay tuned.

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in case you missed it a polite protest did not hit the right note. take a listen as pro eu scottish members whistle their dissent during a brexit bill vote [ chanting ] >> order. order. order. order. >> i love the anger. owe dejoy has been the official anthem since 1972.

it's been used in major rallies around the world. i'm not sure there was whistling at the events. this weeks did not sway the vote which set them on track to set the brexit process as early as next month. we'll be back monday with more "mtp daily." for the record with greta starts right now. breaking news tonight "for the record" another new controversy dogging the white house. and his links to russia what did he tell vice president mike pence and was it truthful. tonight they calling for investigation into trump white house. what happens now? the president on air force one, we'll win on the travel ban. meanwhile back in washington we have a report that