...stop clicking around...travel sites to find a better price... the lowest prices on our hotels are always at hilton.com. so pay less and get more only at hilton.com. great to have you with me. i'm thomas robinserts. a new report by homeland security estimates the border wall with mexico would cost as much as $21.6 billion. reuters got its hands on that report on thursday. within the last hour we have the president tweeting, "i am reading that the great border wall will cost more than the government originally thought, but i have not gotten involved in the design or negotiations yet. when i do, just like with the f-35 fighter jet or the air

force one program, price will come way down." his tweet comes a way after shedding new details on the next steps for his travel ban. here's what he told reporters on his way to his florida home last night. >> what are the changes? >> just in honor of the decision, we will perhaps do that. we'll see. but monday or tuesday. >> you talked about new security measures. is that separate from po templgly writing a new -- >> we have very, very strong vetting. i call it extreme vetting. and we're going to have very strong security in our country. we are going to have people come into our country that want to be here for good reasons. >> president trump followed up on those comments during his weekly address this morning. >> we will not allow our generous system of immigration to be turned against us as a tool for terrorism and truly bad people. we must take firm steps today to ensure that we are safe tomorrow.

immigrations from customs and immigration enforcement are pushing back from activists who say a series of raids conducted this week were conducted from trump's orlandoers. they were focused on criminal aliens, illegal entrants and immigration fuj tichs and were in planning stages before the executive orders were rolled out. meanwhile, new reaction from betsy devos after protesters blocked her entrance to a middle school in the nation's capital yesterday. now she eventually entered through a back door and made these remarks to reporters after her meeting inside with school officials and students. >> it was really wonder to feel visit this school, and i look forward to many visits of many great public schools both in d.c. and across the country. thanks very much. >> what do you think of the protesters this morning? what did you think of the school?

>> the school is awesome. >> secretary devos later released a statement saying i respect peaceful protest. no school door in america will be blocked from those seeking to help our nation's school children. kelly o'donnell is in west palm beach following the president an his family, not too far from mar-a-lago where the president is hosting the prime minister of japan, shinzo abe. so, kelly, let's talk about what the president is doing today other than what we've seen so far via twitter. >> reporter: well, this will be a working and sort of recreational day for the president and mrs. trump along with their guests from japan. we know right now that the motorcade is ready to go at mar-a-lago for the president to take a golf outing with japanese prime minister abe, and mrs. trump, in what appears to be her first solo public event as a first lady, has already left to begin a tour with mrs. abe of japanese gardens in south florida here.

and so they will have their own sort of schedule today. also a lunch. that's very typical when there is a foreign leader meeting that the wives will have a separate track. so that's playing out today. what is unusual is it's been a long time, years since a president has brought a world lead t their own home for a mix of work and play. and this is something we expect to see more from president trump. this is an extended visit with a very important u.s. partner in japan. today it will be a mix of the social and the political. trump-style diplomacy. another first. a world leader, japan's prime minister and mrs. abe, hosted by the president and first lady, melania trump. an official white house dinner but held on the patio at the president's mar-a-lago club in palm beach. a weekend of hospitality that included a trip on air force one.

' >> hello, everybody. >> hi. >> reporter: during that flight, the trumps stopped to talk to reporters where the president said he may decide to avoid a continued federal court battle to enforce his seven-country travel ban. >> the unfortunate part is it takes time. we'll win that battle. but we also have a lot of other options including just filing a brand-new order on monday. >> reporter: however, senior advisers say all options include eight peeling to the supreme court, remain open. >> the president also told reporters he was unaware of renewed controversy around his national security adviser michael flynn. >> i don't know about it. i haven't seen it. what report is that? i'll look at that. >> reporter: flynn has denied that he spoke to russia's ambassador before mr. trump took office about sanctions imposed by president obama. but now intelligence sources based on monitored calls of russian diplomats, say that flynn did discuss sanctions. now an administration official says flynn is not certain if he discussed sanctions. a serious credibility problem after the vice president had vouched for flynn.

>> they did not discuss anything having to do with the united states' decision to expel diplomats or impose a censure against russia. >> reporter: officials tell nbc news pence based his defense of flynn entirely on what flynn told him. and we know a little update now that motorcade is on its way to one of the president's golf courses in this area. we don't expect, at least at this point, to have pictures of the president and the prime minister playing golf, but we've seen so much of the trip so far, perhaps they'll decide to give us some kind of photo opportunity. as you pointed out, thomas, the president was using twitter again today to talk to some of the issues that have been hot in the headlines, not necessarily related to the japanese visit, but we also expect that there will be an official delegation dinner tonight, so it is that sort of white house event happening at the personal residence of the president. advisers told us that president

trump is making this a gift to the japanese prime minister and that means that a foreign government would not have to pay expenses to a facility, a business, a property owned by president trump. thomas? >> all right. we'll see where those greens fees end up and also the scorecard for these two men playing golf. kelly, thank you very much. great to see you. kelly o'donnell in west palm beach enjoying some sun. we are all very jealous of our kelly o. in florida, a town hall meeting on health care as constituents are taking to similar meetings across the country voicing their anger and concern at gop lawmakers on a number of issues including repealing obamacare without offering an alternative. tammy leitner is in new port richey, florida, where that town hall will be starting soon. some protesters have started to gather. is it expected to be as contentious as we've seen at other spots around the country? >> you know, thomas, hard to tell. people arrived two hours before the event even starts. we're expecting to hear from people who are angry, who are

frustrated. i'm here are doris rosen, a lifelong pasco county resident the last 30 years. why do you want to speak today? what do you want to be heard? >> i'm here to talk about the affordable care act and how it affects me as a senior citizen. >> reporter: now, you were telling me that your medication that you take is very expensive and you're concerned what could happen if obamacare or aca goes away. >> that's correct. right now i'm in what is called the doughnut hole. when you reach a certain plateau,ou go into the doughnut hole where you have to pay 100% for your medication. and that's -- that was before the affordable care act. since the affordable care act, that doughnut hole was change where now i pay 50% of my medication until i reach another plateau and then i pay a lesser percentage. >> reporter: let me ask you, what would it do to you financially if you had to pay 100% again? >> the yearly cost for that medication is about $42,000.

>> reporter: that's a big hit for somebody who's a senior citizen. >> a tremendous hit, and being in the doughnut hole and having to pay 100% would cost me thousands of dollars a year and put me closer to poverty line. >> reporter: thank you very much. i appreciate you speaking with us. >> there are dozens of people here like doris who want to have their concerns and voices heard. they'll have two minutes to take the podium. >> did doris vote for trump? >> reporter: let me ask her that. you can hear her answer. did you vote for trump? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: i believe she said over my dead body earlier is what she told me, thomas. >> how many folks are expected that the town hall today? do we have a number about what it holds? >> they're expecting 200 but there's probably already 75 people here and we're still an hour out. >> keep us posted. tammy leitner on the ground in new port richey, florida.

we're also jealous of you. you are in florida. we are not. thank you. joining me no now, our two gues. i think we can all say we're jealous of the folks in florida right now. would you agree? >> i'm from miami so i'm always jealous of people in florida. >> we've gotten that out of the way. matt, talk about the protests and whether or not you think this is going to have impact on republicans and how they carry themselves back to d.c. on issues about the repeal and replace of obamacare. >> absolutely. jason chaffetz is a unique character in that he's ao the held of the house government oversight reform committee, and there's a lot of concern about that on the ground there. but there are a thousand people not just in the build bug outside of the building. we saw this with justin amosh, who got a friendly reception in michigan, but he had 600 people with another couple hundred outside too. everyone is motivated here. what republicans are being

reminded are what democrats learned in 2009, is when you make a large-scale change or threat on the make a large-scale change to the health care provision in this country, it affects people right where they live and they're not going to take it quietly. so i think it's going to add urgency to the fact that they own health care right now in this country because we federalized this issue so much. and so they're going to i think have increased motivation to not just repeal or tinker or repair but actually have something on the table to replace it and i'm sure they are panicking right now. >> we know also yamiche at the republican retreat there were folks elected republicans saying, you know, we break it, we buy it after this point. if we really mess with this, we have to take into account how much of a ripple effect this is going to be to the economy and to americans who have now come to depend on it. do you think that those republicans can break through the president's perspective?

>> i think they already in some ways have been breaking through to the president. you have donald trump going from saying that, you know, he wanted to completely replace obamacare to saying that actually all people should have health care and we're going to figure this out and it will be better than obamacare. so this idea that there are so many people and there's this mass energy showing up to these town halls really i think deepens the panic that was already in the republican party. you look at the reporting coming out of their retreat, it tells you that republicans are actually really fearful. they had somhing like seven years to argue about obamacare, to pass all these bills saying they wanted to defund obamacare, and then when it's their turn they don't have a plan right away that says this is how we're going to fix it. that's something democrats can use to make the argument that republicans are just going to try to tinker with obamacare and then try to call it trump care. >> so the other big issue that we're playing out in real time is the travel ban. and we saw the president on air

force one talking about what could come on monday and that let's just remind yamiche, in 2008 and 2012 we covered the president on his promise of reforming immigration, having comprehensive immigration reform. sometimes presidents just can't get those things done even through executive order and also through congress. but how do you think, matt, that the president could tweak this or is this just going to be a promise that he cannot deliver on the campaign trail issue of a muslim ban? >> well, he's not going to be able to ban muslims. that's never going to happen. you'll get an equal protection challenge to that. but the president has really wide latitude when it comes to setting immigration policy in this country, period, and especially with refugees and other population like that. it's actually surprising the executive order was done so ickland so poorly that it was le to be suspect to legal challenge.

so ifhe president goes back and actually writes it better, then i think he has a great chance of having something close to the ban if you exempt the green card holders and make that language clear instead of having the government lawyer trying to negotiate with the ninth circuit of interpreting this thing differently, which they declined to do and rightly so. so i think the president can go back and write something and it'll change the argument for whether this is constitutional back to is this a good idea or not. and he feels like he can win that argument. other people don't. >> yamiche, we know because of donald trump the business person, most lawsuits he settles, he does not typically win them. he will settle them and then also have the wording in there that he takes no fault or responsibility of guilt. how do you think that there is a way for donald trump the president to settle this issue? >> well, the way that he could set this will issue is say, you know what, i tried to go as far and tried to help the american, really be good, but the courts are stopping me, so-called

judges, using his words, are stopping me so i'm go ing to tweak this order to then have it be a little less -- if something happens, know it wasn't me, american people, but it was the judges that were really stopping me. but i should say there's a real issue with intent. you have rudy giuliani saying that the president wanted to have a muslim ban and wanted to figure out a legal way to do that. so while he could go back to the courts and rewrite a whole new executive order, other lawyers for people that are being banned can say, hey, you know what, we know that this was really targeted for muslims and even if this isn't targeting all muslims, the intent is to do that. if that's the case, that goes into the discrimination parts of our law saying you're judging people based on their religion and you'll have to show that's not the intent. because you have all these campaign rallies where you said, you know what, where he painted islam in a really badlight, i think that goes to really problematic for this administration. >> i think video, tweets, you

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interest clause. he's exempt. >> a scene during a town hall held by jason chaffetz, who chairs the house oversight committee in his home state and that was the scene from thursday. the crowd of nearly 1,000 people interrupting him calling on him to investigate president trump for his potential conflicts of interest. want to bring in now congressman charlie dent, a republican, in philadelphia. sir, good to have you with me. i appreciate your time this morning. as you hear the crowd and see how jason chaffetz had to handle himself, are you surprised by that scene? >> thanks for having me on the program. maybe a little surprised by the size of the crowd but clearly one party has control of the presidency, the house, and the senate, the other side tends to be a bit more angry and energized so i'm not surprised that many democrats are

energized and showing up at town halls and they want to win again, i guess. that's really the message. >> when it comes to the actions of this administration, are constituents reaching out to you expressing frustration, i mean, folks who would be republican or vote for trump that may have voted with certain reservations about him as president but are surprised at some of the swift and some would say more careless actions? >> well, i've had a number of constituents contact me. there are a lot of people who are concerned about what's happening in the country, particularly those who, you know, are opposed to president trump. they feel that, you know, they're not being heard in many cases and so i've had a number of meetings with constituents who come in and just want to share with me their thoughts on whatever the issue of the moment is, immigration, health care. there's a lot of concern out there. i think as republicans we have to listen to everybody, not just those who support republicans but also those who may support the other side. so i think people want to be

heard. i think that's what you're witnessing right now across the country. >> part of your constituency is a large community of syrians. do you feel as if you can represent them proper ly with a administration of president trump and those around him or do you feel a bit shy or intimidated to take your concerns to them? >> oh, i do represent a very large syrian population in my district. many of them have been here for a very long time. others are more recent arrivals. they tend to be overwhelmingly christian. i'll tell you, they were predominantly trump voters, so i do spend a lot of time with that community. you're aware of the situation in my own district where we had a syrian family that was denied entrance into philadelphia a few weeks ago and we worked to get them back into the country. they were visa holders. they'd been in process 13 years. they weren't refugees. interestingly enough, my syrian community has largely been supportive of president trump, so that's where we are. >> so when it comes to how 22

days in, if you were to grade the trump administration, what would you grade them, congressman? >> i don't know if i'd give them a grade. i think they're moving quickly. i've been a little critical, particularly on the immigration order, they were moving too quickly, it was too rushed, too broad, and frankly counterproductive. so on some issues i think they're moving too quickly. on others, health care, for example, i think the president with some of his tweets he's been helpful. he said if you're going to repeal, you need to replace. i think there he's actually slowed down the house a little bit. on some issues -- >> i was going to say, kongm congressman, to from the repeal to the replace idea, what have been some of the potential ideas for replace that could gain attention, gain support to do this in a way that would matter?

>> well, there are a lot of ideas on the health care law. clearly people are paying too much in terms of their premiums and deductibles. there's been aot of disruption. but whatever changes occur i think we have to start to get r rhetoric right. parts of this law i think ultimately will be repealed, parts of it replaced, pars will be prepared and overhauled and reformed and other parts will be maintained. so the challenge for the health care discussion for all of us is how do we ensure that people who are currently covered experience no disruptions in coverage in whatever transition to kufr, and two, how do we make sure that the insurance markets, which are already destabilized, particularly individual insurance market, how do we assure the stability of the insurance market going forward? because any changes we make we must make sure the insurance markets don't react negatively because that could cause all sorts of disruptions and price spikes as well. we have a lot of ylds from selling insurance across state lines, medical liability reform,

more patient-centered care, we have a whole host of issues we'd like to deal with, but they have to be presented in a coordinated fashion. right now our plan, the republican plan, is not fully developed and it must be better articulated than has been the case up to this point. >> before i let you go, there is all this new development taking place around general flynn and conversations that he had with the russian ambassador prior to the inauguration of donald trump and the potential conversation of lifting sanctions, something that he did not tell to the vice president who vouched for the integrity of those conversations really not happening to the degree of which they were described. many of the people across the aisle from you are saying that he needs to be relieved of duty or calling this treasonous behavior, traitous even further. how would you characterize this if true? >> again, i don't know what conversations general flynn had with the russians prior to the inauguration. i have no idea.

but i will tell you this -- that there are many in congress on both sides of the aisle, particularly on the republican side of the aisle, who would be very much opposed to any relaxation of sanctions against the russians. an i believe the administration mu understat. many of us in congress believe that russia is a threat and an adversary. they're trying to break up nato, undermine and unravel the european union. we know they want to undermine democratic institutions not only in our country but throughout the west and ultimately diminish american power and influence anywhere in the world. so, again, i would caution this administration not to become too conciliatory with this regime under vladimir putin. i can't speak to what general flynn may have said before the inauguration. i have no idea. i only know what i've seen in the news. but it would obviously be very serious if he did have these conversations p. >> do you think that the nurl , national security advisor, the position that michael flynn holds, would be something he should lose if this were

confirmed and the fact he misled his bosses over the fact that that conversation happened with the discussion of sanctions? should he lose his job? >> well, let's find out the facts first. before i would ask anyone to step down from a position, i like to have the facts. i simply don't know if he had an improper conversation with the rugs prior to the inauguration. automatic i know is what has been stated in the press reports. somebody will obviously look into this and make a determination. again, i would caution this administration about becoming too conciliatory with the russians. there will be very significant congressional pushback, particularly on the republican side if that were to cur. >> congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania, great to have you with me, out of bethlehem today. i think i said philly before so, excuse me for getting the site wrong. bethlehem, p.a. >> thank you, thomas. a new snowstorm facing new england today could be just as bad as the last one in certain parts, but we've got the weather headlines coming up we'll drill down on who's going to see the

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we've got this midweek storm, more snow on the way for parts of new england. people in boston still digging out after getting 18 inches of snow. some forecasters say another system has the potential to drop another foot over the weekend. overseas, a new reaction from president trump amid growing tensions with iran. here's what he told reporters on his way to his florida home just hours after thousands gathered in tehran for the country's national holiday. >> the iranian president who

earlier today told people that any nation that threatens the nation of iran is going to regret it? >> he better be careful. thank you. >> so iran's president rohani did not mention president trump by name when he told the large crowd it will, quote, strongly confront warmongering policies. demonstrators carried anti-trump signs but the anti-american sentiment on display at these rallies usually was toned down this year. joining us is our bureau chief. how should we expect iran's leaders to respond to this comment by president trump? and explain what we saw on that national holiday and the type of sentiment expressed to the u.s. >> reporter: well, the leadership doesn't usually respond very well to threats from their archenemy the united states, but donald trump is an unknown quantity and as such i think they're exercising a degree of caution in order not to antagonize him but alleges to

possibly try to ignore him, not to attach too much importance to what he has to say. rohani is known for his diplomacy, and as such he probably won't respond to the president's comments and if he does i don't think they'll make headlines. however, i think the leadership here will respond in other ways as more pressure is put on by america, the supreme leader will probably come out and criticize policies by the united states. hoe's the most powerful man here and the revolutionary guard will probably continue testing missiles and military exercises which might antagonize the trump administration. toour point about this here, the burden of proofing of american flags was conspicuously absent yesterday. every time you go to one of these marches, there's u.s. flags burning every 10, 15, 20 yards. i didn't see anything at this rally, which is something you

can't usually avoid. this could be in part iranians taking to social media using the hashtag love beyond flags, urging people not to burn flags, to show solidarity with ordinary americans who have coom kout to protest the visa ban that struck a chord with iranians here. others were holding placards saying americans are welcome in iran. all of this is very unusual. i don't know what sort of an effect it will have later down the line. >> all right. what a difference several hours can make. sunny skies before, now snow coming down on ali. thank you, sir. stay warm. we have a look at the president's options on immigration if the administration decides to write a new executive order. obviously, ohhh... but with added touches you can't get everywhere else, like claim free rewards... or safe driving bonus checks. oh yes....

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so president trump took a few minutes to address the press on air force one and hint at

what's next for his controversial immigration order. >> you spoke about you're going to win this court battle against the immigration and travel ban. you also talked -- >> the unfortunate part is it takes time. we'll win that battle. but we also have a lot of other options including just filing a brand-new order on monday. so -- [ inaudible question ] could very well be. but i like to surprise you. >> deputy director of the aclu's immigrants rights project and also argued the first legal challenge to the president's order. lee, good to have you with me today. a lot to talk about here as this is going to remain an active conversation as the white house is reviewing what it could do. take a step back for a minute. explain the significance of the ninth circuit and its ruling prior to how the appeals court came down. >> right. i mean, the court of appeals for the ninth circuit was the first appellate court to review one of these issues so in that sense it was significant right there.

an piles court, ideological diverse, the opinion was narrow because only the state issue was up there but it was very ul and made clear there are serious legal problems here. >> this is from the trump ministration lawyers who were speaking to the ninth circuit judges. >> the district court asks the representative of the department of justice how many federal offenses are have we had being committed by people who came in with visas from these countries. the answer was there haven't been any. >> yes, your honor. these proceedings have been moving quite fast and we're doing the best we can. >> are you surprised by this lack of preparation that went into the trump administration lawyers to go into court and present their argument?

>> well, i don't want to criticize other lawyers. they're in a tough situation. the bigger problems if with the executive order -- >> how about from a legal opinion. in your legal opinion, was that the preparation necessary to confront logical questions -- >> right. >> -- that the ninth circuit judges asked? >> let me put it this way. i don't think it's a matter of preparation. i think the executive order was so overbroad that it's very hard to justify it. so even if they had more time, i think that's the real problem. the executive order sweeps in everyone. our clients are people who work for the u.s. military, and so it think it would have been very difficult no matter after how much time to come in with toefld support a complete ban on all ref jeice around the world and a complete ban on these entire seven countries. >> so we have the president talking about the fact that he is going to be looking at his options a brand-new order potentially coming. what do you suspect the administration will deliver? >> tough to predict what this administration will do. right now we're hearing they'll

revise the executive order. we're also hearing they may simultaneously revise the executive order and continue with the court challenge, which seems like an old way to proceed. it's tough to predict. i think we'll continue challenging unless there's a complete revamping of the executive deand to make it lawful and that's going to be difficult to do if there's any type of ban. we'll continue challenging it in court. >> a lot of people, court observers, have speculated if this went on to the supreme court and the current standing of the fact that they are a judge down, thousand this could be ruled upon. what do you make of judge gorsuch? say he was confirmed and did make it to the supreme court? how do you think an executive order that's gone through the ninth and gone to the supreme court would fare? >> i don't want to sort of try and predict about any new justice, but i think right now there's also the possibility it would be 4-4. one of the things the court will take into account can s when they should get involved not just how they should get involved. right now it's sort of a prel

preliminary order so maybe the justices leave it in place and want to review it at a more permanent stage. >> are you on defense waiting for something from the trump administration or talking with your folks about, you know, what may be? >> that's a good question. i think we're on offense in the sense that we're waiting to see what's going to happen with the ninth circuit. that's sort of a defensive posture. all the other cases are moving forward. for example, in the first case that we brought in brooklyn, plead rgs being submitted and we'll have an argument on the 21st about the merits of the executive order. so all those other cases are moving forward there's until there's a definitive order by the supreme court. >> great to have you here. all right. we've got the first step that democrats will take this month to turn protests into political action.

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day 22 of the trump administration, and for three weeks there has been an array of challenges so far. some bad, some good. new questions over whether national security adviser michael flynn spoke to the russian ambassador about sanctions on that country, whether a president trump would lift them. it's the kind of incident prompting reported frustration from the white house.

and this headline from politico, "trump vexed by government." let me start with you about this, how do you assess what's going on with the administration going forward with a lot of things? are they doing too much or can they meet the promises and the demands of those promises? >> well, i think what the american people are seeing is a whole lot of action coming from the white house, which is exactly what president trump had promised. so yeah, there's a lot going on. and he's had some strikes and some balls. but certainly this is making good on the idea that real change is coming and action is going to be taken. i think most americans are going to think that's a good thing. >> johnathan, do you think it's fair to characterize the

missteps of the trump administration as, you know, here's this outsider guy that gets elected, comes to dc with no real governing experience, this real team of outsiders trying to figure it out as they go along. are they getting a fair shake or are people waiting and hoping for them to fail? >> well, they're off to a disastrous start. it's a mixture of incompetence, arrogance, and disregard -- >> this is a basic presidential administration, just business. >> there are many conservatives every day writing what i'm saying right now. this isn't a partisan observation, just in terms of measuring them against their predecessors in terms of how they've gotten off the ground. yes, there has been a lot of action but it's been very chaotic action. and it has been disrespectful not just of our allies in the case of australia and some other

examples, but of our court system, to refer to a "so-called judge." this is so far out of the mainstream, thomas. >> kerry, i heard the double sighing, i want to get kerry back in here. when it comes to jonathan's point here, he was elected as a descript disrupter, as an outsider. is this the delivery of what americans voted for? >> you know, i think that we also have a very selective memory of what happened when president obama took office. remember, president obama has two of his appointments, two cabinet officials had to withdraw their nominations because they turned out to have scandals. so far we've seen president trump has had his cabinet nominees have been moving forward. he hasn't had anyone rejected. he has a supreme court pick receiving accolades from both conservatives and democrats. and let's remember, i think that when the left and everybody in

the media who is so quick to criticize everything that president trump is doing and every minor misstep is missing the big point that you know who has a worse reputation and higher unfavorables? the press. nobody trusts the press anybody. yes, there's a lot of bad, negative coverage. a lot of people are slhrugging t off. if you look at the executive order, it has american support. >> kerry, one of the big reasons folks are skeptical of the press is the fact that our president will call us liars, call us terrible people, act as if our intent every day is out to do something malicious and untoward, as opposed to believing, as i know i do, i show up every day to do a great job. i show up every day to tell the truth, to talk about facts, to expose facts and find the truth. so why am i supposed to -- and other journalists supposed to, you know, take that on the chin,

that we deserve a bad reputation because the president wants to demean our credibility? >> the press has had a bad reputation for far longer than president trump has been in office. in fact this is one of the reasons why trump was elected, because there was this sense that washington wasn't covering, that a lot of i know conservatives and people in the middle thought they couldn't trust the press to cover things like president obama fairly, that there was such a cozy relationship between the administration and president obama, they didn't trust him. now they see everything, it's interesting, you hear all the time this has been a disaster, nobody remembers the hiccups that came when president obama was first taking office, it's that selective memory. >> it's like dammed if you do, kerr kerry, dammed if you don't. people were so mad at me because i kept booking donald trump, ted cruz is pissed off at me, marco

rubio was pissed off at me. it's completely looney. we get whiplash from it all. >> it's so far out of bounds, because almost every day he says something that just ain't so. facts are stubborn things. we have not, for instance, ignored terrorist attacks around the world as he alleged last week. the week before, you know, he's talking about massive voter fraud of millions of people. there's no evidence. >> we've learned there's hype r hyperbole that goes along with this president. >> we need to have a president that tells the truth. >> the paradigm has shifted, though. we'll find out what type of president we're going to have. we're 22 days in. kerry, how do you think the media is to hold the president accountable? as jonathan points out, the president's mouth gets ahead of the facts and then there are

people trying to pony up facts that would then buoy that assertion. but they don't even spell "san bernardino" right or in one-third of that paper, the word "attacker" was spelled wrong. that only demeans the president's credibility even further. is that a problem? >> no, absolutely. the press has to be -- the press absolutely has to do their job and try to keep politicians honest. but i do think there has been -- when you say this blanket idea that it's crazy that president trump would say we've ignored this ia of terrorist attacks in the past. we all know, there was a lot of frustration there was always this reluctance to call something what it was, to pretend that a kosher deli in france was the subject of an attack, that there was, oh, it was just a random store. >> that wasn't done. that's just not so, kerry. by the way, the media has established that the list that he put out of uncovered terrorist attacks was not accurate. it was not uncovered. it was just one of the many

falsehoods and examples of disrespect that have already characterized this administration. >> guys, we'll have to leave it there. kerry, i really appreciate, and jonathan, you too, this conversation. we need to have it more. joy reid is going to kill me because her hour is coming up and i'm eating into her time, and i love joy reid and i don't want her to kill me, so stay around. aaaahh!! ooohh!! uh! holy mackerel. wow. nice. strength and style. which one's your favorite? come home with me! it's truck month! find your tag for an average total value over $11,000 on chevy silverado all star editions when you finance through gm financial. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. what's the best way to get v8 or a fancy juice store?s? ready, go! hi, juice universe? one large rutabaga, with eggplant... done! that's not fair. glad i had a v8.

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