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the other side, those supporting it. in new york city, more protests from the same groups, hundreds turning out to rally against planned parenthood. and blocks away, those supporting it. in florida, a town hall on the affordable care act. republican congressman talking to his constituents, and it led to some heated moments. that's still under way. meanwhile, plenty of headlines from florida where president trump is spending the weekend. new information on how the administration might tackle the immigration ban. republican lawmakers facing anger from constituents who are worried about how a repeal of obamacare would impact their lives. right now in florida, there's another town hall meeting taking place on that issue in newport. tammy is there for us. tammy, how is the mood there? >> reporter: this has been going on for two solid hours. it's not showing any signs of letting up. there are a lot of 350e78 people who are angry and emotional. we have heard from senior citizens, we've heard from young

people, we've heard from parents. one mother got up there and had a very emotional story about her daughter who has a genetic disease. insurance before aca they were paying about $10,000 a year. now that they have aca they're able to get her insured and able to get medications that save her life. we also heard from doctors who say they're seeing less -- chanel, you can hear the crowd really -- they're reacting to what people are saying, whether they agree or disagree. this has been going on, as i said, for two solid hours. a lot of emotions here in this room. this was supposed to wrap up a few minutes ago. they're showing no signs of letting up. a couple hundred people here. this room is packed and it spilled out in the hallway, a lot of people still waiting for their voice to be heard. >> we heard the boos, you can almost feel the energy here. what are some of their biggest concerns? what are they saying? >> reporter: you know, a lot of these people here said that they

could not afford health insurance before aca. we heard from one senior citizen who said her medical insurance was more than her house payment. we heard from a young guy in his 20s, he works three jobs, and none of those jobs offer health insurance. the only reason he has it is because aca. a lot of fear in this room of what will happen if aca is repealed. >> what is the congressman saying? >> reporter: congressman bill is here and he had some prepared statements that he was going to make in the beginning. he actually cut those short because the crowd got so loud and they wanted their voices to be heard. so he's been here. he's been a good sport, he's listened to everybody, responded a few times. he definitely has a thick skin. because there's been some heavy words hurled here. >> finally, tammy, i'm wondering how this is going to end, because obviously they're not letting up. >> reporter: no. no.

you know, we don't know what's going to happen in the future. i think that's the big reason that people are so emotional. because this is their lives. you know, they don't know what's going to happen. a lot of people have gotten up there today and told very emotional stories. chanel, they said this is really a matter of life or death for them. it's really a heated room, very emotional. >> keep us posted. we'll go to you again. tammy leitner, thank you. president trump vowing to fight the travel ban case. earlier this morning he sent out this tweet uniting a "washington times" report. president trump says our legal system is broken. 77% of refugees allowed into the u.s. since travel reprieve hail from seven suspect countries. during his working weekend in florida, while traveling to mar-a-lago yesterday he said there are several options his administration is considering to fight the court's decision.

>> in honor of the decision, we will -- we'll see. either monday or tuesday. >> you talked about security measures. is that -- >> we have a very, very strong vetting. i call it extreme vetting. we're going to have strong security in our country. we're going to have people come into our country that want to be here for good reason. >> also today, officials from imgags and customs enforcement are pushing back on a claim by activists who said a series of raids in several states this week were connected to president trump's executive order. i.c.e. officials say the raids focused on illegal immigrations and fugitives and in the planning stages before the orders were rolled out. meanwhile, new reaction from russia on an interesting new exclusive about the possible future of edward snowden.

two senior government officials tell nbc news that russian officials are discussing the idea of turning fugitives over to the u.s. as part of an effort to curry favor with president trump. this morning, a russian government spokesperson essentially denied the report. claims the media are obstructing the new white house administration. after nbc broke the story, snowden tweeted this response, quote, finally, irrefutable evidence that i never cooperated with russian intel. he said no country trades away spies as the rest would fear they're next. let's bring in kelly o'donnell in west palm beach, not far from president trump's mar-a-lago home. >> reporter: good to be with you, chanel. this is one of those days that feels more like a typical saturday for the president, now three weeks into his new administration. by that i mean, while he has a world leader with him, in japanese prime minister shinzo abe, he's doing things that probably a lot of people are

doing on saturday, that's playing golf. we have the benefit here in florida for the right weather of that. an outing that was requested by the japanese prime minister who had met with the president during the transition period as well. and so they are playing golf. we don't have pictures of that. that's something that the white house decided that there would not be coverage of as they are out on one of the courses. but we do have pictures today of mrs. trump, the first lady, entertaining the -- her counterpart from japan, mrs. abe. they did two things today. first, it is a garden tour where they visited a really beautiful japanese garden in the area, visiting different sections of that. a chance that we have seen this sort of activity by first ladies in the past. but really the first time we've seeing it with melania trump acting on behalf of the united states, but not with her family present. today they're having a private lunch. later today, a full delegation dinner. that's really washington's speak

for an official white house dinner, where the japanese delegation's top aides and so forth, as well as the president and his senior advisers would be gathered for a dinner. as we pointed out, this is happening at the president's residence at mar-a-lago, not at the white house or camp david which would be an official government owned property, but here in sort of the backyard of the trumps. because there are issues with that, the trumps, according to the white house, are making this a gift to the japanese visitors, so they're not paying anything for the visit to mar-a-lago. and therefore, a foreign government would not be paying fees that would by extension go to the president in his private capacity. so there's a lot there. what is different about this is that it's really an extended visit for the president, and time at the white house, they spent time on marine one, the air force one trip, a dinner last night. and patriots owner bob kraft at the table.

and today recreation, you assume there are conversations of substance happening as well and tonight a dinner. we've seen tweets from the president on other issues, which you talked about, namely dealing with immigration, and his concerns about the state of his travel ban and what to do next. but it really is a work and a recreation day for the president and his guests. >> thank you, kelly o'donnell. let's bring in a contributor to "time" magazine. molly is a reporter at the hill. there's a lot packed here on this saturday. there is a drama playing out in newport richie, florida. gop town hall, talking about obamacare, worried it may go away. do you think these protests, the town halls will have any impact on how republicans handle the aca? could it be on life support if you will? >> absolutely. i hear privately from republicans all the time they're not talking about repeal and replace anymore, they're talking

about repeel and rebrand. they feel if they repeal a law that's increasingly popular, frankly, and you basically take away health care for 20 million americans, what's that going to do to their real action. the town halls like you're seeing play out in florida today, and one in utah recently, they're very worried that it could imperil their own careers and face a huge backlash for it. >> molly, one of your colleagues is writing about the pr aspect of this for the republican party. will republicans be able to get through to the president on this? are they fighting this battle on their own? >> that's the whole problem. when it comes to actually could a lessing behind a plan, the republicans don't have one. even talk show hosts out there have criticized the republicans because they had six years to get their act together, to come together to figure out what to do next to repeal, then replace obamacare and the health care system and they haven't done that yet.

if you listen to donald trump, especially when he was speaking to house republicans, senate republicans a few weeks ago, he mentioned that, you know, privately i told these guys, the gop leaders, it would be better if we just let obamacare fail in the first two years because it will explode, it will disaster and politically that would be better for us as republicans. but they want to move forward and replace it. well, that's the president. who's the guy who has the bully pulpit who basically won this election for himself obviously, and a lot of republicans maintain a hold on the senate and the house, when there was a question as to whether they would. so if you don't have the man in charge saying that he, you know, actively supports the repeal plan, it's hard to sell it down at the local level. >> there's another -- i feel like we're juggling several big stories today. the president said he would give the travel ban a makeover. what do you make of this

strategy? >> it's hard to do mulligans in executive orders here. you can't really do do-overs. so there's certainly -- they're in a bind at this point. if they appeal it immediately, it goes to a divided supreme court which most likely would tie along four lines, and kicked back to the ninth circuit decision which stands. there's not an incentive to appeal it. even there they seem confused and divided. first yesterday, white house officials saying, no, we're not going to appeal it immediately. we're not going to go to the supreme court. and reince priebus, coming out and saying actually we might repeal it. now they're saying they might rewrite the whole thing. and so it's clearly a lot of implementation issues. at this point you have to wonder if it's not going to stand on its own merits, how are they actually going to see this thing through. >> with that said, molly, does this undercut one of trump's chief campaign promises? >> if they end up coming with a new executive order, which it

sounds like trump was saying he wanted to do finally, that was kind of -- it looked like that was the path they could take, now that they do have a secretary of state, they have an attorney general in jeff sessions finally, this week he was confirmed, and of course the homeland security secretary, if you get all those players together and they can write an executive order that could, you know, be ironclad essentially going through the courts, perhaps that's the best answer at this point. but at the same time, it just goes to show what happens when you don't have leaders of these various departments and have people within the white house making these decisions that affect the entire country, and so we'll see how that works. but he should have a little bit more momentum moving forward given that he does finally have secretaries in these positions that would need to have input on the matter. >> speaking of positions, let me see if i can squeeze a couple more in here.

let's get a reaction to the flynn story. is there a reflection on the chaos that we keep hearing about? >> it's really striking that it under lines the disarray coming out of the west wing, reports of leaking, reports of who's controlling whom, who's potentially a puppet of whom. russia, all these strange questions. certainly unprecedented. it really does underline when you see all of these issues, whether looking at repeal of obamacare or the travel ban or what's going to happen with mike flynn, the national security adviser, that there's a lot of chaos within the republican party and a lot of division. you see on the other side democrats very much unified in their opposition to all of these issues. and it really does paint a very stark picture. which is problematic for the republican party when they're trying to get on the same page because there's so much division. it makes it a lot of the issues go away, for example, if they agreed on appeal of obamacare or the travel ban and congress acted on it. but they're not all agreeing on

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now to the first 100 days. gop lawmakers are considering options for repealing and replacing the affordable care act with several bills currently circulating. senator mark sanford describes a modified version of senator rand paul's plan currently under review in the senate. let's bring in congressman sanford, a republican, a member

of the house reform committee. good day to you. >> as well to you. >> can you give us a quick introduction of your plan? i guess some of the big questions revolve around two key provisions for children to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26 and for people who have preexisting conditions. would your plan continue those provisions without exception? >> it would, on both counts. but there is an exception. on folks staying on their plan -- their parents' plan up to age 26, it lets people get their first job before asking them to pay for insurance. the second part, preexisting conditions, with this one caveat, you can't do what the affordable care does right now which is to create a process of adverse selections. people can go without insurance for years and then when the doctor says, you know what, it looks like you have x illness, then they say, they go to their insurance company and say i want insurance now. that gives people incentive to stay off of insurance. our plan does the reverse. it says, no, you've got to be on

insurance. you have a period which to do so. once you're on it, no preexisting condition can be denied. >> is there a gray area there? i'm thinking if somebody has an underlying condition they don't know about, is there any wiggle room there or does that open the door to -- >> again, there are people who -- >> president trump said he was add ament about keeping those things. >> what you can't have right now is a system where people are basically incentivized not to have insurance by being able to wait until the very 11th hour to get insurance. i'm good until i'm not good is not the basis of insurance. insurance is saying, you know, i don't expect my house to burn down tonight, but i'm not going to wait until i see fire burning in the house to decide that i want insurance. i think it's something that's sensible. i think one of the big features of this bill is it legalizes less expensive forms of insurance. the affordable care act was well

intentioned, but one of the things it did, it basically said you have to have all these different services whether you need them or not. it waives the cost of insurance, and as a consequence, many young people decide, well, i don't need all that stuff, i'm not going to have insurance. it reverses that to say, let's let a young person pick the plan that makes the most sense for them, have a scaled-down version relative to the aches and ailments that come as we age, and make that a very affordable plan so we can get more people enrolled. >> there's another major question people have and that's where there will be gaps in coverage. can it be repealed and replaced simultaneously and how is this going to be rolled out? >> that's a great point. i think the republicans talk about this repeal with no replace at their own peril. we had a town hall meeting this morning, and with credit to charleston, it was a civil meeting. people 180% disagreeing with each other but did so in civil form.

i think this notion of gaps, i think is important. it's something that i think that our bill gaps. but there will be a lot of different interpretations out there. >> we've been showing the live video of the town hall in florida. it was actually the opposite. it's getting a little testy there. some bernie sanders followers say they're being replaced in the town halls. i want you to listen and i want to get your reaction. >> do you think these protests are going to have any impact on republicans who will, of course, control this, repeal and replace? >> i think it is already having a huge impact. remember, it was just a month or two ago, republicans wanted to repeal the affordable care act. we're going to raise prescription drug costs to seniors, we're going to do away with preexisting conditions, we're going to do all of that. repeal, repeal, repeal.

guess what, you're not hearing that so much anymore. i don't think you're going to see that going forward with the repeal of the aca. >> what's your reaction to that statement? >> i would respectfully say that senator sanders is wrong on this one. i think that, again, though the affordable care act was incredibly well intentioned, it does have fatal flaws. in south carolina we're down to one provider. health insurance premiums went up by about 29% last year. you know, for the bulk of folks who don't have an acute situation, with regard to their health care, there's a real pricing problem and a real accessibility problem. i think there will be a repeal. but i think it's very, very important to your point earlier that republicans replace it with something. people at the town hall meeting this morning were like, show me what you're for.

>> there's a woman who grabbed our attention. we're hearing from people obviously at the town halls today worried about losing coverage, that they received through the affordable care act. one woman talked about her crippling medication costs. let's listen. >> this medication costs $42,000 a year. before the affordable care act, i had to pay 100% of the negotiated retail price, taking away the affordable care act and the help that i received while in the doughnut hole will no doubt bring me down to poverty level. >> i don't want to get too in the weeds here, but what would happen to her under your health care bill? >> i think she should be covered. we're trying to create a marketplace in health care that didn't exist. i remember watching the movie years ago as good as it gets with helen hunt and there was this line in the theater, spontaneously broke out with claps as she was complaining

about her insurance company at that time. the question is, you can have a government bureaucrat deciding your health care, or insurance bureaucrat deciding your health care or you in consultation with your physician deciding your health care. individuals with their doctors need to make the most sense for them. we're trying to create a marketplace, separating something that's been in place since 1948. it was during the wage and price controls of world war ii that health insurance became linked with employment. you think about, again, your auto insurance, your home insurance, it's not linked to your employment. you have it based on your need. and what we're trying to say is, we have a lot more affordability, people tied to a job they don't like based on not being willing to risk losing their health insurance. and what we're saying is, let's destroy that mandate that was

created in 1948 and let's treat equally employer -- the way we treat an employer, the way that insurance premiums are covered, with an employee. treat them equally. if you're out there as an individual and the individual marketplace, you get the same considerations that an employer does. we do a number of other things on that front. but they're all tied to creating a marketplace that would absolutely affect the pricing of the drug of the woman you just played is talking about. >> congressman, you seem very reasonable. i like the fact that you said, listen, even though we disagree, we can still have this conversation. politically speaking, you know this climate. this was a huge issue that republicans were able to run under donald trump. do you think this could be politically damaging to republicans at all? >> yeah, absolutely. two different levels. one is the level of hypocrisy. for republicans for, you know, seven, eight years during -- six, seven years during the president's time in office to vote consistently to repeal, repeal, repeal, and when you

have the chance to do so, oh, wait, we don't really want to do it. i think the republicans could be hit on hypocrisy. we could also be hit on not offering a solution. it's not enough in life to show me what you're against, you've got to show me what you're for. i think that's where our plan is coming from. i think there will be a number of other plans out there, about saying, yeah, we need to repeal because we think there's a fatal flaw with regard to the affordable care act in the way that young people are disincentivized to enrolling. and there's a real cost with that. there's an access problem. but we need to replace it with something else, if not simultaneously, awfully near simultaneously. >> congressman mark sanford, thank you for your time. keep us posted. >> thank you. yes, ma'am. the funding of planned parenthood, a live shot here, people coming out on both sides of the issue are. in fact, we'll have a live report coming up after the break.

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welcome back. i'm chanel jones here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. at the half hour, here's what we're monitoring. protests for and against defunding planned parenthood are under way in cities across the country. morgan has both sides of the story in new york city. morgan, give us a sense of what's happening there. we certainly hear them. >> reporter: you can hear the crowd. you can see the crowd. thousands of people here in the heart of washington square park in new york city. they're holding signs that say things like my body my choice. this is the kind of energy -- i want to introduce you to one of the organizers of this rally. ellie, why did you think it was important to come out and protest for planned parenthood? >> when we felt there were protests in favor of defunding planned parenthood, i reached out to the center to see if they wanted us to be there to form a

barrier, they said what would be most helpful was for us to raise our voices. >> what exactly is the issue that you want americans to hear? >> for me, it's all about what you're actually talking about when you say defund planned parenthood. it so often becomes about women's rights, and it becomes about abortion. but really, what planned parenthood does, it's so much more than that. yes, i'm for legal access to abortions, but it's also about care for trans people and std testing. >> that's what we've been hearing, chanel. a lot of people said nearly half of the people who actually used the services of planned parenthood are women of color, low-income women. but i did speak to some of the pro-life or anti-abortion activists earlier today and i wanted to show you what they had to say. take a listen. >> we remind those at the state and local level that we are

here. we stand for women's rights and women's health care. we want the funds to be redirected to other qualified health centers. and we want that to happen right now. >> reporter: and chanel, the people that i spoke to at that rally said there are lots of other options besides planned parenthood. here they're saying planned parenthood is the best option because it provides coverage for lots of people who need it and experience extreme high barriers to access to health care. >> morgan, can you give me perspective on the crowd sizes and i saw that was earlier in the day. were they in two different places, or right outside of the same place? >> reporter: that's a great question. so at 10:00 in the morning, a couple of hours ago, at just about a few blocks away, that's where the anti-abortion activists were. we actually saw the people who were abortion rights activists came to meet them there to say

we want our voices to be louder. we also want our voices to be here. the anti-abortion activists were much smaller crowds, about 100 people, if that. here you can see we've already seen a couple of thousand people fill the square. >> morgan ratford, another saturday, another protest. the third or fourth saturday with these protests. thank you, morgan. happening now, we have to talk about the weather as well. another round of snow on the way for parts of new england. people in the city of boston are still digging out after 18 inches of snow blanketed the region this week. they're expecting another foot over the weekend. this video captured on dash camera in wyoming. a strong gust of wind blew a tractor-trailer on its side. drivers need to heed the wind advisories. no one was in that patrol car, so no one wan hurt. what is the next move for the aclu if the president signs a new executive order on immigration? that's still ahead.

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just 48 hours after a federal appeals court refused to reinstate his immigration order, president donald trump hinted he would be challenging that ruling. perhaps with a new order. >> he talked about winning the battle against the immigration and travel ban. >> the unfortunate part at the same time is that -- we'll win that battle. we also have a lot of other options including just filing a brand-new order on monday. i like to surprise you. >> what does that mean for so many families? let's bring in david from the aclu. good day to you. >> thanks for having me. >> you heard trump say, quote, he has a lot of other options. what are they? how far can he pursue this? >> one option would be to rescind the order, an order that doesn't further national

security, that has upset the plans of many people who had been fully and clearly vetted and targets muslims and favors christia christians. i don't see the president admitting defeat. >> supporters of the ban argue the three-judge panel basically took a constitutionally national duty out of the president's hand. does that argument have any merit? >> i don't think so. the court recognized there is a role for national security. the government wasn't able to cite a single piece of evidence in support of the need for this. we've been vetting people very carefully for a long time. this affects people who have been already cleared. there was no evidence that a single person from the countries that have been banned has engaged in a terrorist act against us. and essentially, the national security establishment has come out and said it's a bad idea. everyone from dick cheney to john hugh who wrote the torture

memos under george bush, to michael hayden who was george bush's c.i.a. and nsa chief said this doesn't further national security. so what the court said is, look, you're harming people's lives, many people's lives, and there's no evidence that furthers national security. and you're violating fundamental constitutional principles of equality and nonestablishment. >> were you able to provide evidence, or can you provide evidence that it does harm national security? and is there a way, a chance they could refine it and make it so narrow that it could be okay? can you see that happening? >> we'll see. if he comes out with a new order, we'll look at it. if it looks like it's singling out muslims, or treating people differently based upon their religious convictions, which is what he promised to do during the campaign, what he said he was doing the day he issued this order, if he continues to do that, it's unconstitutional. we'll be back in court challenging that as well.

>> you mentioned the exchange with some of the attorneys. i want to play the exchange from the trump administration lawyers and the ninth district court judges. let's take a listen. >> the district court asks the representative of the department of justice, how many federal offenses have we had, committed by people who came in with visas from these countries? the answer was, there hasn't been any. >> yes, your honor. these proceedings have been moving quite fast and we're doing the best we can. >> what's your take on the performance of the justice department attorneys? were they prepared enough? because if they would have done something differently, would the out come have not been the same? >> i think the answer to that question was zero. so instead of saying zero, he said we're not prepared. or we haven't had enough time. but they could look from now until the judgment day and what they'd find is there has not been a single terrorist offense committed by a foreign national from the countries that have been subjected to the ban.

this was not a national security executive order, it was an executive order that was designed to play to president trump's base by targeting muslims because they're muslims. and if there's one thing you can't do under our constitution, and the establishment clause, is you can't single out particular religions with a broad brush and disfavor them just because they're a particular religion. >> david, what about the concern about future attacks? obviously i know that these seven countries, you know, trump talks about the fact that the obama administration is paying close attention to the seven countries. is there a concern, or any, i guess, thread of validity to you in this argument? >> well, look, there's always a concern about terrorist attacks, and national security. and we have in place procedures that ensure that the people who come in are cleared, because we determined that -- >> are you seeing the vetting process? people are saying the vetting process isn't good enough and we're essentially letting in

people -- we don't trust the system. what's your response to that? >> we've been using this vetting process for 15 years, since 9/11. there hasn't been a single person from any of these countries who has committed a terrorist attack. that's a pretty good record from my standpoint. >> david cole, national legal director at the aclu, thank you for your time on this saturday. >> thank you for having me. rallies over the defunding of planned parenthood. live reports where women on both sides of the issue take to the streets. a soul-searching moment for democrats. how the party will move forward after the dramatic losses in november.

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president donald trump defensive today after a federal appeals court refused to

reinstate his executive order on immigration. >> my administration is committed to your security. which is why we will continue to fight to take all necessary and legal action to keep terrorists, radical and dangerous extremists, from ever entering our country. we will not allow our generous system of immigration to be turned against us as a tool for terrorism and truly bad people. we must take firm steps today to ensure that we are safe tomorrow. >> let's bring in noelle and peter emerson, and veteran of two presidential transitions. good day to both of you guys. noelle, i'll start with you. there's been so much criticism of this ban. is the president fighting a losing battle here? >> no, i think what he's going to do, chanel, i think he's going to end up rewriting this and resubmitting this. going back, i'm probably going to throw your viewers for an outrageous loop and they're

going to be irritated, but i've got to tell you, everybody's very upset about the, quote unquote, muslim ban. if you look at this, this is a religious war. the radical islam, what they're doing is they're doing this in the name of their radical part of their religion or how they're interpreting. i think people point to the constitutionality of that. you can't pick a time in history and say now these people are bad, we don't want them. two, i think it's because some people are saying muslim ban and other people in the administration are saying it's not a muslim ban. so people at home feel like, wait a minute, what is it? is there any kind of cryptic language and it's not feeling truthful, people won't listen because they're feeling like they're not told the truth. does that make sense? >> it does make sense. but a lot of people are too scared, a lot of people are very scared to say, well, you know, maybe sometimes we need something like this, because

what we want is extreme vetting. we really want to look at what's going on here. it's not persecuting all muslims, but you've got to admit what's going on with terrorism is religious based. it is based on religion. i'm sure i'm going to catch a lot of stuff on twitter after saying this. >> go ahead, peter. >> can i interrupt? this is not even an alternative fact. it's just ignorance of history. to talk about that it's done in the name of a religion, or that we're not going to persecute all muslims is the fear driving this country out of a democracy and into some sort of fake and false sense of security. i mean, in 2010, when i wrote a piece about fear in america that was sleeping through town hall meetings, about 78% of americans stressed to the government. that's now down to about 8%. in various polls.

when we feed the public with false information, and we drive religion as a means of creating more and more fear, we're not only doing a disservice, to the religions, but we're doing a great disservice to our country. that is anti-patriotic. >> noelle, quickly, do you see the danger in taking a religion and trying to paint it as -- paint with such a broad brush? >> i don't like it, but i see where donald trump's point is. you've got to look at the reason he got elected. his claim to fame in the beginning of all this, a lot of people thought donald trump was a big joke. but he rose to claim to fame over that wall. and immigration was a huge part. and national security was a huge part. whether the left or right, people in the middle disagree with it, donald trump got elected on some of those points regarding national security. >> i agree. and i agree. national security has always been one of the most powerful

emotions in politics. john kennedy got elected on a missile gap to a large extent. >> is there a danger, though, noelle, or peter? either one of you can weigh in on this. we can look at american history and know that because a lot of people think something doesn't make it ethical or moral. >> true. >> it's a slippery slope, noelle? >> it is a slippery slope. look, my background is middle eastern. it's kind of a -- i'm walking a thin line. i've got family, you know. but you've got to look at exactly what he's wanting to do. and i think it's convenient for the left, and some people that are disagreeing within his own party on the right to take this and say that he's wanting to ban all muslims, it's all chaos. what he wants to do is have extreme vetting. and i think all he wanted to do is just hold it up for a certain period of time so he could get a good system in place. >> maybe they should be working

in private -- >> there's one question -- >> you may be right. >> there's one question to be asked. do we want a democracy or do we not? and if we want a democracy -- >> yes, we do. >> -- then we cannot have absolutes. it's like the secret service protection of the president. if you ask the secret service, they would prefer the president never leave a building and it would be windowless. the reality is the president has to move about. democracy has to be fluid and has to be open. particularly our democracy that was created by immigrants, many of whom were radicalized particularly during the french revolution. to suddenly say we're going to have extreme vetting and we're going to leave off the definition of that extreme vetting to bureaucrats in washington is very, very dangerous to me. particularly as a patriot. >> go ahead, noelle. the conversation took a turn. but it's a good discussion. >> what would you prefer? would you prefer just soft

vetting, open borders, come one, come all, and we don't want to offend anyone, so just go ahead and come in, and fill out a form and answer -- what do you do? >> go ahead, peter. >> first of all, i want definitions of noelle means by hard vetting, soft vetting. but i want a country that's based not just in theory, but in practice on the constitution and the bill of rights. >> everybody does. >> right now the arguments of the ninth circuit has decided that that executive order did not fit with the constitutional requirements. there may be adaptations down the road, but for right now, the original intent and action that the president took was viewed as non-adherence to the constitution. >> noel'ing, 15 seconds. we have to wrap it up. this is an interesting discussion. go ahead, noelle. >> i think judge robart came from a sincere, from a place

that i understand how he wanted to defend it. but donald trump got elected on national security and this is part of the stuff he promised his voters and now he feels like he's getting short-changed. >> we have to leave it there. noelle, appreciate you coming on and giving your thoughts. look forward to talking to you again. of course, thank you, peter. >> thanks. protests around the country over the plan to defund planned parenthood. people coming out on both sides of the issue. a live report coming up at the top of the hour. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. has been a struggle. i considered all my options with my doctor,

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