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but first, new today, one of president trump's senior approximately see advisers pushing back on criticism after hundreds of undocumented immigrants were arrested during a series of raids during this past week. >> if people don't like the immigration laws of the united states they can reform them. our emphasis is on deporting and removing criminal aliens who pose a threat to public safety, and i just want to say this, there's been a lot of coverage on the news about the effects of these enforcement actions on people that are here illegally and that's an issue people are free to discuss, but what's more important and what should be discussed more is the lives being saved, chuck, the american lives being saved because we're taking enforcement action. a bit earlier president trump took to twitter saying the crackdown on illegal criminals is nearly the keeping of my campaign promise. gang members, drug dealers and others are being removed. the tweet comes a day after i.c.e. officials say the raids were planned before the trump executive orders. the president tweeted about several other topics today none

of which were about north korea launching a ballistic missile yesterday, its first since he took office. the missel landed in the sea of japan right before the president sat down to dinner with prime minister abe. mr. trump was briefed on the missile test although he did not respond to a reporter's question during a photo-op with the abes. >> the south korean military is confirming that north korea fired a projectile. do you know what happened? any comment on that? >> later on in the evening, prime minister abe condemned the missile test calling it, quote, absolutely intolerable. this followed by president trump's remarks. i just want everybody to understand and fully know that the united states of america stands behind japan, its great ally, 100%. thank you. >> let's bring in nbc's kelly o'donnell who is in west palm

beach not too far from president trump's home, mar-a-lago. good day to you. what else are we hearing from the senior policy adviser and this is on top of the president tweeting on a range of topics this morning. >> reporter: yes. as we've come to expect, president trump early in the morning used his twitter as his personal press release to talk about issues that are on his mind, included among those tweets he offered support for the policy adviser you referred to stephen miller who had been in earlier iterations working for jeff sessions, now the attorney general, and he had been on capitol hill which is where i came to know stephen miller covering immigration issues. no he has a prominent policy jobs in the white house and has been one of the architects of the plan that was rolled out, some say with serious problems and we've seen the court challenges, and stephen miller has been really sort of the embodiment of the policy that has influenced and shaped

president trump on this, really understanding the president's voice on matters like immigration and miller himself having a long history on these issues. so one of the things that came up today in his appearances on television was the issue of voter fraud which has been raised by the president suggesting that there were improper votes cast by people not authorized to be in the country or not eligible to vote, and this is an exchange between george stephanopoulos and miller earlier today that resulted in sort of an impasse, very different views about where the facts actually are. >> you've provided absolutely no evidence. >> the white house has provided enormous evidence with respect to voter fraud, with respect to people being registered in more than one state, dead people voting and non-registered citizens registered to vote. george, it is a fact and you will not deny it that theres massive numbers of non-citizens in this country that are registered to vote. that is a scandal. >> for the record, you have

provided zero evidence that the president was the victim of massive voter fraud. >> hold on. >> you have provided zero evidence that the president's came that he would have won the popular vote if 3 million to 5 million illegal immigrants and zero evidence for those claims. thanks a lot for joining us this morning. >> you get a sense there of how tense that exchange was and how stephanopoulos, representing what is a broad media assessment of the facts that there has been no concrete evidence put forth by the white house. of course, there are instances that have been talked about and documented in small numbers where there are errors in the voter roles and duplications when someone moves from one state to the other. those kinds of things and that's very different than the allegation that there was a substantial numbers of improper voters and not u.s. citizens who would have made a difference in the popular vote outcome. this is an issue that have persisted for certain people

inside the white house including the president and it is something that remains unresolved and a real sticking point, at least in the public discourse, a fight that goes on. alex? >> all right. kelly o'donnell, thank you very much. i appreciate that from the area right near mar-a-lago. joining me now, deputy assistant to the president and sarah highlander. good morning to you. you heard kelly o'donnell. do you think there are 3 million to 5 million undocumented immigrants who cast votes and that would have swung the president's election in terms of the popular vote his way? >> look, i don't know how many different voters voted illegally, but i do know that they exist. in my home state of arkansas there was a judge that was caught with, roughly 180 ballots sitting on his kitchen table so to pretend like voter fraud isn't something real and doesn't exist is laughable, but the bigger point is the president did win. he won by campaigning on certain

topics that he has spent the last three weeks working hard to implement. the reason he won was because he campaigned on change from inside washington, and i think he's delivering quite well on exactly that, and i think people across america, particularly those that voted for him, have to be very grateful for him holding true to those promises. >> all right. among those promises, and let's talk about this, the federal agents conducting these immigration enforcement raids. i.c.e. is saying this is business as usual. president trump is taking credit for it. which is it 12? >> i think it's a little bit of both. they're doing their job. they finally have an administration that's getting out of the way and letting them do that. president trump has been very vocal throughout the campaign and now as president that he's going to support the law enforcement and provide the resources that they need to provide law and order in this country. he's been supportive of them, and now they feel emboldened to uphold the law, carry it out and do their jobs. >> what about the travel ban

itself? is the president going to be revealing a new plan tomorrow after the federal appeals court did not reinstate that ban. >> right now he's keeping every option on the table. i think the one thing i can promise you whether it's done through a new executive order or through fighting this, they'll take both plans of action and the one thing i can assure you is donald trump as president is going to take every single measure possible to protect our country and to keep terrorists out and make sure that the people coming into this country are coming in because they want to be part of it and not attack it. >> all right. well in terms of attack, let's get right to the president's reaction to north korea launching the ballistic missile. he was meeting with the japanese prime minister. the president's only response to the reporters was that the u.s. stands behind japan 100%. what was the consideration for making such a short statement without a direct condemnation? >> at this point we're still reviewing and monitoring the

situation. president trump has been briefed on it and will continue to be updated if any new action is taken, but i think the primary focus is to say, look, we're paying attention. we're watching this and we support japan. i don't think that there was a mixed message in that. i think it was clear and concise. there's no reason to use 1,000 words when you only need ten. >> to use a few words, you have the japanese prime minister saying it was absolutely intolerable. yous have the president talking about the i.c.e. bans and even mark cuban and not north korea. do you think there is a specific reason why the president is not speaking out about this. >> i don't know how you can be more public when he's standing on stage next to the leader there and make such a bold claim that we're 100% behind them. i guess it's just lost on me how you could be any less public and that was covered and dominated,

every single cable and network news station and so to act like he hasn't addressed that issue seems a little, i guess, silly in some way because he's been very public in how he feels about it. >> how about -- let's talk about the washington post which reported last week and the national security adviser michael flynn held the private discussions with the russians where he discussed sanctions. general flynn and vice president pence said now flynn is saying he has no recollection. stephen miller was asked about this earlier today. take a listen to this with me, sarah. >> do you have any news on this point? >> why are you coming out if you can't answer the questions being posed about the white house? >> i don't have any information, george, to change anything that has been said by the white house on this matter. >> i don't have any information one way or the other to add anything to this conversation. >> as you know, any talk of sanctions before mr. trump took office that could put flynn in

violation of the logan act. the logan act bars private citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. can you shed any light on the situation, sarah? are there going to be any actions taken regarding general flynn? >> i haven't heard anything to indicate that the president doesn't have full confidence in general flynn. he served our country admirably and with stephen, i don't have anything else to add other than that. >> how about house minority leader nancy pelosi who is calling general flynn to be suspended, to have his security clearance revoked until the fbi probe determines the exact nature of his contacts with russian officials. would that be an appropriate step to take. >> thankfully this white house doesn't take its advice or counsel from nancy pelosi, not today or any time soon. >> what about obamacare? the president said repeal and replacement would happen on the first day and now you have several republican lawmakers are facing angry crowds at town

halls because they do not want to lose health care if obamacare is repealed. let's take a listen to that. >> taking away the affordable care act and the help that i receive while in the doughnut hole will, no doubt, bring me down to poverty level. aren't there enough women already in poverty due to divorce and death. do we have to add medical pofery? >> sarah, how much pressure is the white house under to come up with an alternative? >> we're working very hard to prep and repeal and replace obamacare. one of the things that is being left out. the president just got his hhs secretary in in the last couple of days because of the democrats' obstruction and political gains, he doesn't even have a press secretary responsible for implementing, helping craft and put that plan in place without him there to be part of the discussion it's kind of hard to even start moving in

that direction. now that he's in place, i think that things will start to continue moving along, working with speaker ryan. look, this is going to be -- we want to make sure we get it right and unlike the democrats we're not going to shove something down america's throats and say you can read it once it's passed. we want to make sure this is done properly, done right and taking our time in order to make sure that happens. >> i appreciate that thoughtful and appropriate response, sarah, but is there a reason why the president was saying day one, obamacare out and new program in. >> we are taking steps within these first couple of weeks to prepare to do exactly that. i don't think it's like flipping a switch, but you have to go through a process and on day one we started going through that process of building out a new plan and preparing to repeal and replace obamacare. >> the president misspoke. he'll start the process. because that's what he said. >> i didn't say the president misspoke. please don't put those words in my mouth. what i said is we are starting the process to repeal and

replace obamacare, but again, it's very hard to replace one of the biggest healthcare programs and biggest programs in our country without the person there that leads and implements that and the democrats have been playing politics and playing games and obstructing the cabinet secretaries from taking their positions and that's a big part of the problem that's held up a lot of things for us moving forward. >> deputy press secretary sarah sanders, thank you very much. come see us again. >> thank you. >> let's bring in eric swalwell and he sits in the house judiciary committee. >> good morning. >> let's go to north korea's missile launch and that is being viewed by some as a direct challenge to president trump. is that your interpretation, as well? >> i was in south korea and went to the dmz back in december and they're a real threat and their test is in violation of u.n. resolutions and what we need right now in our country and in the world is a president who is

serious. the president, while they were testing this missile last evening was tweeting and complaining about the way that his daughter ivanka has been treated and then this morning when you would expect a reaction would come forth, he's picking an unnecessary fight with mark cuban. we need american leadership right now and sadly, we're not getting that. >> so do you think he was advised not to respond directly to north korea during that hastily-called news conference after the event last night? >> honestly, alex. i don't think any of us have any idea of who is advising the president these day. it seems like it's ad hoc and that he's winging it. he's tweeting while he's supposed to be in intelligence briefings when he went after nordstrom when he was supposed to be in an intelligence briefing. it's very, very dangerous for the leader of the free world, the country that has always shown leadership to have our president just really -- i would say, out to lunch and not up for the job and that concerns me, and you're starting to see anxiety build across this

country. >> what about the obama administration's perspective which repeatedly warned the president before he took office, north korea should be the top national security priority. do you think north korea is the biggest threat to the u.s. right now and are they going to have nuclear capabilities to reach the u.s. in the imminent future? >> they're certainly getting closer and what we should do, though, is we have a lot more sanctions that we can put on them. we don't have anywhere close to the sanctions that we had on iran which brought iran to the negotiating table and now they are no longer three months away from having a nuclear weapon. they are 12 months away from having a nuclear weapon. we have to bring china into the conversation. china is north korea's source of fuel and food. bringing china into the conversation we can leverage that and hopefully draw down north korea's nuclear capabilities. >> so are you saying you would like to have sanks and if we don't have them, why not? what's the hold up?

>> we have sanctions in place for north korea. they're not as tight as the sanctions that were placed on iran and they don't have the support of the international community in the way that we had for the sanctions that were in place with iran. so if we got china, as i said, who is north korea's biggest supplier of fuel and food to come to the table and put pressure on north korea, that would probably go a long way in changing their behavior. >> let's look at another headline this weekend which is the 160 undocumented arrested. 75% of those arrested had felony convictions. with the white house pointing to that statistic as being evidence these operations are making our country safer, do you agree these raids are making us safer? >> alex, if the raids were going after violent criminals i'm for that. we don't want violent criminals in our country who are going to hurt other people, but if they're going after people who just came here to work hard and to make a better life for themselves, i think that is not who we are as a country, to see

families broken up. so i want to learn more about this. if they're going just strictly after violent criminals, that's fine, but remember also that the way donald trump has defined this is anyone who has been charged with a crime could be wrapped up in these new immigration raids, and i saw when i was a prosecutor that driving without a license is a crime and an undocumented person, a new person would not be able to get a license in most states and they would be subject to donald trump's immigration raids. >> this is in regard to felony crimes and there is a varying degree of felony and not necessarily misdemeanors, but if they are felonies, do you think they should be looked at differently and taken into individual account. we saw the woman who was deported and the 34-year-old woman who came to this country when she was 14 years old and is a mother of two and she was depored for having a falsified social security number to get work all those years ago.

>> i draw the line at violent felonies. if you're putting other people's lives at risk, i think you should be gone, but if you're committing crimes that relate to you being here as an undocumented individual like having a false identity because you're not able to get one in our uncertain immigration policies, i don't think that should warrant you being taken away from your family as we saw in the case of the woman just recently who was deported. alex, i think this just shows that we have an uncertain immigration policy in this country and uncertainty leads to chaos. so we should pass comprehensive immigration reform, allow families who just want to work hard and contribute to our country to stay here and let's get rid of vilence criminals and that, i think, could be a policy that republicans and democrats could support. >> all right, democratic congressman alex swalwell, thank you very much. we'll see you again. he's the driving force behind trump's policies. did we learn anything about stephen miller's role about

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the ninth and at the district level was to take power for themselves that belong squarely in the hands of the president of the united states. the bottom line is that a district judge, a district judge in seattle cannot make immigrati immigration law for the united states and cannot give foreign nationals rights they do not have and cannot prevent the president of the united states from suspending the admission of refugees from syria. >> that was stephen miller, one of the president trump's senior policy advisers speaking with my colleague chuck todd this morning. joining me is ann gearan and jamie peters, reporter for "the new york times." always good to talk to you both. ann, let's start with you. >> listening to stephen miller,

did you get a better understanding of his role in the white house? >> yes. i think he's clearly the role of public attack dog when sean spicer isn't fulfilling it during the daily press briefing. it was one of the most forceful performances and discussions, really that any white house official has had. mostly we've seen kellyanne conway and one or two other officials be the public face of the administration, and mind you, we're only 23 days in, but this was a debut of sorts for one of the president's fiercest conservative advisers, you know, doing all the shows and doing it in combative style. that's clearly, he's defending something that he largely wrote there in the executive order, but you know, the interviews went beyond that and in each point he was far more forward

leading and combative than many other white house officials have been and certainly more than kellyanne conway. >> jamie to you, same topic, just a slight different way to ask the question. did stephen miller this morning shed light on decisions made by the president and who he listens to and how issues are handled? >> i think the biggest question that stephen left open in the interviews that he did this morning was just exactly how the administration is going to proceed in defending this executive order. i mean, they could be rewriting it. they could be looking at appeals. i think there is also the possibility that stephen has want discussed, but that i hear a lot of chatter about in conservative circles is urging the president to defy the course. if the courts continue to rule against him he should start some type of constitutional showdown and just go ahead and ignore the order. >> but didn't the president himself tweet out that they weren't going to take this to the supreme court?

>> he did, and there's been some confusion about whether or not that's actually still going to happen, if they're rewriting the order or not. i think that there is a -- it's like everything with this administration, there is a lot of chaos and confusion around exactly how things are going to proceed. >> all right, anne, let's take a listen to what part of sarah huckabee-sanders, about the president's brief remarks about the missile test last night. here it is. >> what the judges did, both in the ninth and at the district level was to take power for themselves that belongs squarely in the hans of the president of the united states. the bottom line is that a district judge, a district judge in seattle can't make immigration law for the united states, cannot give foreign nationals and foreign countries rights they do not have and cannot prevent the president of the united states from suspending the admission of refugees from syria. >> all right. clearly, my apologies, that was not sarah there at all, but she

said that, basically, the president said what he wanted to say, that even though the japanese prime minister said that it was intolerable and used two words to do that, the president said we are standing behind japan 100% and she found it almost comical that people are questioning his position because she said that was a powerful statement in itself. do you think it was a calculation that the president used that language versus something else that might have been more along the lines of the japanese prime minister's? >> yeah. i did hear what she said. i suspect that the president is following the advice of foreign policy advisers who have counselled other presidents in the past not to take the bait when it comes to north korea, that a huge part of the north korean foreign policy is that of provocation and attention seeking, and we've all been

expecting that there would be a missile launch from north korea. it is a pattern and practice for north korea to test missiles and as a way to, you know, as a saber rattling move and a way to attract attention, and then it's up to western leaders and the close allies, south korea and japan to decide how forcefully to respond for their own domestic, political needs certainly you saw the way that the japanese prime minister chose to respond which is a very tough response, but this missile test is aimed more at the united states than it is at japan even though it landed half way across the japan -- the sea of japan and so if donald trump was intentionally using restraint there, then i suspect he was following the advice of foreign policy leaders to do so, and not give north korea and its very

unpredictable leader something else to respond to in a tit for tat measure. >> do you agree with that, jeremy? do you think that's the calculous there or do you think we're missing something with the strategy? >> no, that's exactly right. the only thing that's surprising about this missile launch is that it didn't happen sooner. there was speculation that north korea would immediately try to test the president, and -- the new president, that is, and this is what happens to white houses. they are tested on the international stage in these first hundred days in ways that are both foreseeable, but also completely out of the blue and unpredictable and you had this happen with george w. bush who approveded approved a bombing raid in iraq in the first few weeks in office. bill clinton had other challenges domestically, not quite internationally in his first hundred days and these things are inevitably going to happen and they test the resolve of the new president.

>> can i just ask you both quickly, what's the number one thing you're looking for in the president's meetings with the prime ministers of canada and israel this week? anne, you first. >> two things. he's got to show -- trump has got to show particularly in the case of israel that he is 100% behind netanyahu the israeli prime minister, and really show that he's going to make a departure from obama administration recent criticism of israel. i think he also, if he wants to be serious about launching a peace process has to figure out what his message is going to be about the palestinians we've essentially heard nothing so far about what this administration plans to do or any ideas that it has about what the palestinian side of a peace deal would look like. with canada, he has to talk about nafta, right? he's been trashing nafta right and left and nafta is a big deal in canada. >> jeremy, top thought for you?

>> in terms of showing that his leadership will be a break from the last eight years under president trump, the meeting with netanyahu offers perhaps his best opportunity yet to do that. you've seen largely a continuation of many of the foreign policy approaches under the obama administration with regard to iran in particular, but this is an area in which he clearly breaks from obama and will have a much better relationship, he hopes than the previous administration did, so there is that opportunity there. >> anne gearan and jeremy peters, thank you both so much. >> thank you. we'll show you more about this, we've got snow in new haven, connecticut, and we'll bring you the latest on the storm in new england. like we needed that.

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ban. trudeau tweeted, quote, to those fleeing persecution, terror and war canadians will well come you regardless of your faith. diversity is our strength. #welcometocanada. certainly in this way trudeau is the polar opposite of donald trump. what are your expectations for tomorrow? >> my expectations are pretty high. i think the fact that the prime minister's coming to washington really is one of the first foreign leaders to be there, and interestingly, he's also bringing a strong business delegation with him. as i understand it, there will be commensurate u.s. american delegation there. it's out of the ordinary. it's want a bunch of politicians talking to each other. >> that has to do with trade, but the fact that trudeau has been so vocal in his reaction to trump's travel ban. how might that influence tomorrow's meeting? >> i don't think it will have a significant impact.

i don't know that he's been that vocal about the so-called travel ban in the u.s. he's just made it clear that canada has more of an open policy. >> so what do you think his goals are for tomorrow? what do you think he wants to get across to president trump? >> i think to make sure that the new administration understands how economically integrated we are in the northern part of north america. we manufacture things together. the average automobile with ont ario and detroit crosses the border seven times before it's finished. there's an awful lot that goes along in north america that integrated and every new administration whether it's democrats and republicans have to learn how integrate weed are as an economy. >> i know that you, sir, served as u.s. ambassador to canada during the clinton administration. how do you see the relationship with the two countries now with mr. trump as president compared to when you served as

ambassador. >> we had a great relationship when i served as ambassador. president clinton and prime minister chretien at the time were great colleagues. it's important to recognize that canada and the united states don't just sell things to each other. we're partners around the world. canada is a strong partner of ours in nato and all of the other alphabet soup organizations that the united states participates in and the prime minister of canada and the president of the united states historically have been partners for our shared values and goals around the world. so sometimes we focus too much on what just crosses our common border. we do have an awful lot of things in common around the world. >> with regard to this president's overall diplomacy and his approach to international relations and foreign policy, how do you rate him? do you have concerns, and if so, what are they? >> well, i think it's way too early to rate anyone. in fairness, he's just getting his team put together and the

secretary of state, i think, has only been in office for a week. the secretary of defense maybe for ten days and so i think you need to give time for people to develop their policies and how we're going work together and with respect to canada, i see only positive signals. even the renegotiation the nafta. nafta is a 25-year-old policy and all of us who have worked with it recognize that it's dated. it was negotiated when we didn't have the internet. so stating that we need to renegotiate nafta is not a negative statement. it's a statement of reality. now the details, obviously, are important both to canada and to the united states. >> with regard to -- you bring up the internet and this president and his love of putting his thoughts out on twitter. let's just say this, ask it this way. do you think it's helpful in diplomatic negotiations or are you glad that you didn't have to deal with a president who had

access to the 140 characters and doing it that way. >> well, it's a new era. i have to say surprise is not something that i look forward to, so i guess i'm glad that during my tenure as ambassador i didn't get up in the morning checking twitter feeds, but that said, directness sometimes in negotiations is helpful and engagement from the top is important. so we get to see that the president is engaged, and he's certainly direct and i expect since he's invited the prime minister to come to washington, this is very early on in his tenure so i think this is an important indication about how he regards the development of his relationship with canada, and i haven't seen anything that he has said that's negative about that relationship. >> all right. former u.s. ambassador to canada gordon griffin, thank you very

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there are massive numbers of non-citizens in this country who are registered to vote. that is a scandal. we should stop the presses and as a country we should be aghast about the fact that you have people that have no right to vote in this country, registered to vote, canceling out the franchise of lawful citizens of this country. that's the story we should be talking about, and i am prepared to go on any show, anywhere, any time and repeat it and say the president of the united states is correct 100%. >> trump's senior policy adviser stephen miller explaining the president's claim this past week that he would have won new hampshire on election day had, quote, thousands of voters not been bussed in from massachusetts. let's bring in republican

strategist susan delpercio and howard dean. let's begin with you, susan. donald trump, he's the president. he won the 270 electoral college votes and he has been sworn in, why is he and his staff still arguing about voter fraud. what's he trying to prove? >> i haven't a clue, alex. he had one of the most spectacular victories in our history -- in our country's history. what i find troubling is he's continuing to undermine our election system, and as someone who worked in new york city and has seen hundreds of cases of fraud throughout my 25 years working in politics here, i can tell you there is no way that 3 to 5 million people who are here illegally could be organized, out of the shadows to commit a felony. it's an absurdity and he really should just put this to rest. >> i'm curious about your take, howard. why is the trump camp still essentially arguing the election three months later? do you think he's looking ahead to 2020 saying i want to win the

electoral college and an overwhelming popular vote, as well. >> what miller said was a total lie with that which is exactly what trump has been doing, as well. the only thing i can think of is to assume that what they really want is some sort of national purge of voters. trump won with a minority, a pretty significant minority. hillary got 3 million more votes and the republicans will have a hard time putting together a majority particularly given their behavior since january 20th. so the only thing i think they can win is to actually get people who are legitimate voters off the rolls which they have done in places like north carolina and wisconsin. so that's the only thing i can think of. it's ridiculous. why would you send one of your eggs out in the republic of the united states and not one ounce of proof? i would like to see him go on some of the other television programs with experts on voting

including republican secretary of states of state who say there is no truth to it what so every. >> we have a republican strategist right here. why do you think they put him on every sunday talk show this morning? >> i think it's because they changed the conversation. this is one of their go-to things when the administration wants to change a conversation. >> good point. >> they go here and this is something that everyone can get all aggravated about and say oh, wow, look at this. we know that we have a problem with undocumented workers in this country and that they are here illegally and that does bother people and this is a more a change of subject moment. donald trump is now the president of the united states. he has the resources. go ahead, do an investigation, show the country the proof and then make the claim, but the way he's doing it now i just -- it makes no sense. >> so as you both know this week, i.c.e. conducted raids and arrested 160 people in california again, and he described it merely as a keeping

of the campaign promise. >> i think he is keeping one of his campaign promises. the majority of those people arrested have committed different types of crimes, and there were a few that were caught up who were also here illegally and that this is something that donald trump really, i think, is one of the things that he was elected to do, frankly, and this is where he put a lot of his campaign. so it is also worth noting many of those raids have been in the works even before president trump came in and that he is, in fact, taking credit for it, but this is keeping a campaign promise. >> howard, we have white house staffers who talked with politico and they said being president is harder than donald trump thought and he's growing increasingly frustrated with rung the massive federal bureaucracy. would you expect to see it, for example, about a president hillary clinton? >> well thshgs is one of the things that susan talked about which i should have thought of, but didn't.

so susan, kudos to you. of course, this is a diversionary tactic and what's the big story? mike flynn is now more or less admitted because of leaks from the intelligence community that he did have, in fact, talks with the russians. >> violating the logan act. >> that is very -- well, the logan act is the least of their problems. the bigger problem is lying to his bosses and lying to the american people about what happened. here's what's going on which i find to be fascinating and apropos of your question. this is a white house in which leaking has now become and an administration which leaking has become the currency of how you get anything done. trump made a huge mistake when he took on the intelligence committee -- intelligence community. intelligence people are very smart and they're not going to believe his b.s. and he can get away with talking about voter fraud to the public and his base, but he can't get away with

the intelligence committee. they've had it with him. they'll get flynn and if i were the president i'd let him go now because this is a fight he's not going to win and you'll see a lot more leaking when you can't get to the president or get through people like miller and bannon who don't have the country's best interest at heart and you think the country's best interests are at heart then you'll leak to get your point on and that's what's going on and it will get worse, not better. >> governing is hard. he's a business person who has come into the white house and it's hard to govern as governor dean can probably attest to. >> susan and howard, good to see you both. >> thank you. >> new haven, connecticut, and other parts of new england getting another blast of winter and here's the view from above as the snow falls. burns its way into your day... ...i hear you. when that pain makes simple errands simply unbearable... ...i hear you. i hear you because my dad struggled with this pain. make sure your doctor hears you too.

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