>> because -- he won't make a fuss, but because it's the best one. >> always a good reason for you. it's close. lauren, thank you. that's all for this hour on msnbc. watch for news updates throughout the night and breaking news it it happens. up next is "meet the press." this sunday, immigration fight, president trump's travel ban is struck down unanimously by a federal appeals court. >> courts seem to be so political. >> but the president vows to fight on. >> we'll win that battle. we have a lot of other options. >> what happens next? >> president trump's senior policy adviser, senior miller. plus, russian intrigue after white house denials, national security adviser conceding that, yes, he may have spoken to the russians about obama era sanctions before donald trump became president. >> i don't know about it. i have not seen it. >> is flynn's job already in

danger? hostile takeovers. angry protesters jam republican town halls. have democratic voters found their voice after the election in a leading progressive, senator sanders, and former senator jim web of virginia, a democrat saying a donald trump win could have been necessary for the political system. join me for inside and analysis is katty kay, washington post columnist, and greta van susteren, and north carolina governor pat mccroy. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history celebrating its 75th year, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning, sometimes it seems as though we're not in week three of the trump presidency, but year

three. consider what's happened in just the past few ys. president trump's travel ban struck down unanimously by a federal appeals court, and the administration may rewrite the order. confirming that mike flynn did, in fact, talk to russian ambassador about u.s. sanctionen before president trump took office, a possible violation of the law. the president attacked nordstrom, and his counselor publicly rebuked for using the white house to promote her products. f progressivings taking a page from the tea party confronting angry crowds in town halls, and this morning, north korea launched a ballistic missile, perhaps testing trumps resolve against pyongyang. as we see every saturday, thousands gathered across the country, some in favor, others against planned parenthood. all of this in just the last few

days of the one week of the trump presidency. >> we'll win the battle, but we have a lot of other options including just filing a brand new order. >> for president trump, it's been a week of setbacks in a series of self-inflicted wounds. the 9th circuit court of appeals panel repealed the ban, which the homeland security says was richeded out, and he attacked the judiciary. >> courts seem to be so political. >> leading to rebuke from the supreme court nominee. >> he feels strongly about the judiciary, but he's very clear that he's not commenting on any specific case. >> now mr. trump said he's considering rewriting the travel ban all together. there's russia. after repeated denials, the white house acknowledged that national security adviser could not be certain that he did not discuss u.s. sanctions against russia with russia's ambassador the month before mr. trump took office. u.s. intelligence sources tell

nbc news he did. this contradicts the earlier claims of a parade of administration officials incoming vice president. >> they did not discuss anything having to do with the united states' decision to expel diplomats or impose a censure against russia. >> the subject matter of sanctions or actions taken by the obama administration did not come up in the conversation. >> friday night, the president was asked about the reports on flynn. the president did not go out of his way to defend him or debunk the story. >> i don't know about it. i have not seen it. what report is that? >> then there's the family businesses. president trump attacked nordstrom for announcing they are no longer carrying his daughter's shoe line tweeting she's been treated so unfairly. she's a great person, all pushing me to do the right thing. terrible. that tweet could haunt the president legally. his adviser doubled down. >> go buy ivanka's stuff.

a free commercial here. >> that by the chair chastised conway. the president -- >> she's been counselled. >> around the country from utah to california, tennessee, ohio to kentucky, and georgia, republican lawmakers are facing large hostile audiences at town hall events. an early indication that trump's opposition is energized. even some trump voters who support his policies are questioning the president's tactics. >> we don't always agree with how he presents things, but we're on board with his agenda. >> we have people in our family like that. love them to death, but you go, oh, did he just stha? >> and joining me now is steven

miller, senior policy adviser to president trump and played a key role in the drafting of the partial travel ban, and he joins me now. mr. miller, welcome to "meet the press." >> good to be here, chuck. >> let me start with the decision by the 9th circuit and the president himself saying to reporters that a new order may be drafted. is that what you're doing now, drafting a new order since essentially the 9th circuit gave you a road map of how to draw something slightly more narrow to accomplish the goal? >> we're considering all the options right now, chuck. that includes you continue the appeal in the 9th, seek emergency stay in the supreme court, have a trial hearing on the merits at the district level, or take it en bank for the emergency hearing or pursue executive actions. bottom line is we are pursuing every single possible action to keep our country safe from

terrorism in such thing as jew dish issue supremacy. what the judges did was take power for themselves that belongs squarely in the hands of the president of the united states. >> well, you say that very definitively, but there's not agreement upon that. why are you so confident that, for instance, you believe there is a 1952 law that gives the president the power to decide who can come in and out of this country on a temporary basis. why do you believe that law supersedes 1965 that says you cannot essentially decides who comes in based on origin? >> it's a great question, and i'll answer it in full. first of all, we know that the 1952 law, referring to 212f, 1182f because if they did not have controlling supremacy between the two clause, that would mean, chuck, in a time of war, that the president of the united states couldn't suspend

admissionings from the very country they were at war with, so, obviously, that's the controlling clause. secondly, this is not a decision based upon national origins. it's a decision based upon security conditions in those countries. syria is a disaster zone. libya is in ruins. yemen has a massive res iviv ii terrorism movement. as you know, chuck, this was a decision made in 2015-16 in terms of designating the countries. we just took the intelligence assessment and we took firm action to restrict entry, and the bottom line is, is the president of the united states, both under his article ii foreign powers and under the 1952 statutes has power to control who enters our countries and you and i know no foreign national living in yemen or any other country has a constitutional right to demand entry into our country. >> i understand that, but i guess i go back to if you -- if you do that, if this was about

the security of the country, why wasn't afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia, egypt, i can go down the list, where we have had foreign nationals from those countries that i've listed attempt terrorist acts in this country? >> well, that's a great question. first of all, 72 individuals, according to the senate for immigration studies, have been imp kated in terrorist activity in the united states hailing from those admissions. point one. point two, the security admission about the countries is based upon assessment of the threat they present today and going into the future. the security situation in libya, yemen, syria, and other countries designated are squarely different today than they were in 2010. >> but, mr. miller, san bernardi bernardino, the point of the president's point of the a full muslim ban, but tapered back,

was in response to san bern dee that where the spouse was from saudi arabia. >> you're 100% correct. the san bernardino incident demonstrated the agree which our immigration system is vulnerable to terrorism. the fbi has information right now that would clearly indicate the extent to which massive numbers of court cases are happening and have happened all over the country related to terrorist infill ration of the immigration system. the immigration order spells out a period to put in place extreme vetting across the board. the first seven countries are based upon our determination about security conditions in those countries and ability to cooperate with us. there's a 30-day period where new security measures are set and 60 day compliance period. chuck, i will come back on the show when it's done and walk through how we kept the country safe across the board from individuals coming into the country who do not share our values and don't love our people. >> interesting you say about

sharing values in the vetting process. number one, are you going to make public the new vetting procedures? >> well, first of all, i suppose there's aspects of those public, and i'm sure that for reasons of national security, they'll be as sects that won't be. obviously, if you're engaged in a vetting procedure of a foreign national in a dangerous region, we don't want to give a road map or forecast that. there almosts part of online forums everyone can see. it just depends. the important thing is this. 80 million people travel in the united states last year through the airport, sea ports, or land ports. we, as a sovereign nation, have the right to impose basic restrictions on entry to ensure security, quality of life, our economic and financial well being, and the bottom line, the bottom line is a district judge, a district judge in seattle cannot make immigration law for the united states, cannot give

foreign nationals in foreign countries rights they do not have, and cannot -- the president of the united states from suspending the admission of refer few gees from syria. >> well, let me go to the issue of immigration as a whole. do you believe there's too much legal immigration in the country? >> we have a program in which american workers are given jobs first. the president campaigned on this. it's an issue where the labor unions agree with us, an issue where democrat members of congress agree with us. if there's an open job in the country, a u.s. citizen or existing legal permanent resident ought to have ability to make the first application for that job. the -- the problem is, and the way the media covers the issue, present company excluded, if they do not talk about the well being of the 300 million people here today, u.s. citizens, legal permanent residents, many of whom live in poverty, have not seen wage growth in 30 years, it's time we talk about them, their needs, their families and concerns, and, yes, have a lawful immigration system to enrich and benefit the country, but the president made clear he believes that should be a merit

based system where individuals coming into the country bring benefits economically that grow our economy and help lift up wages for everybody. >> but you didn't answer the question. do you and the president believe there's too much legal immigration? >> i look forward to rolling out immigration reforms and able to announce very clearly when we do that what they do. i think that my views on this issue have been well discussed and well publicized, and i'd love to have a conversation with you in great detail. where we are focused now is two things, protecting the security of the country through interior enforcement and screening of entrance and additionally by ensuring that before a job is given to a foreign national, that job is offered, first, to an american worker, either a legal permanent resident or a u.s. citizen. >> i'm going to ask about what appears to be an immigration enforcement surge taken place over the last week. it goes to the other executive order that had to do with immigration that was signed.

how do you define a criminal act by an undocumented immigrant in the country? just being here illegally, is that enough of a criminal act to get you deported under this order? >> the order describes a criminal offense, typically anything from a misdemeanor to a felony, in particular the emphasis is on crimes that threaten or endanger public safety. as you know, you cannot order a federal law enforcement officer or i.c.e. or dea or service to ignore the laws of the united states. it would be highly unethical for me and the white house or anybody else to pick up the phone and call i.c.e. and say, well, when you account to the particular felon, pretend laws do not exist. right now, there's enforcement actions happening all over the country in which gang members, drug dealers -- >> i understand -- >> sex offenders are being swept up. >> i understand felons. what if the only crime they committed was being here ille l illegally. is that enough to be deported? >> chuck, an immigration judge

makes the decisions. i.c.e. officer makes the decision. i, in the white house, do not make the decisions. >> so -- >> if people don't like the immigration laws in the united states, they can reform them. every sis is on reporting and deporting those who pose a threat to safety. there's coverage in the news about effects of enforcement actions on those here illegally. what should be discussed more is lives saved, chuck. the american lives saved because we're taking enforcement action. when we did not take the actions in the past, you have families like the wilkerson family and more who lost people they loved because we were more concerned issue more concerned about effects of enforcement of people here illegally than legal citizens. >> it sounds to me as if you're saying there's no priorization

-- >> i, in the white house, improper for me to tell them to disengage from enforcement action, explicit in saying removing individuals who pose a threat to public safety including people who are gang members, charged with criminal offenses, who have been multiple immigration violations, deported, and reentered. i have a question. what would you say, chuck, what would you say to a family member who lost someone they loved because an illegal immigrant deported two times, a misdemeanor conviction came back in the third time because it was not deemed priority. they lost someone they loved, oh, did not meet the priorities, sorry. we are focusing on saving american lives and will not apologize for that. >> before i let you go, does the president have confidence in his national security adviser? >> that's a question that i think you should ask the president. the question you should ask the chief of staff. i'm here today as the policy

adviser, and my focus is answering policy questions you have. general flynn served the country admirably, a three star general, head of the defense agency, and look forward to having more discussions in the future. >> so the white house did not give you anything to say other than -- >> they did cannot give my anything to say. >> so you cannot say -- >> asked and answered, chuck. it's not for me to tell you what's on the president's mind, but a question for the president, chief of staff. asked and answered, chuck. >> if you were caught misleading the vice president of the united states, is that considered a fireable offense in the trump white house? >> it's not for me to answer hypothetica hypotheticals. that's not responsible. it's a sensitive matter. he served his country with distinction, and i look forward to having conversations with you once you had a chance to talk with the appropriate people in the white house dealing with the matters. it's not appropriate to speculate. >> mr. miller, senior policy

adviser, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> appreciate your views. >> thank you. >> joining me now is one of the leaders of the democratic party these days, though he's still not technically a member of the democratic party, senator sanders, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> good to be with you. >> let me start on the travel ban and immigration in general. i have to ask the question to you this way. do you think the current proc d procedures we have to vet refugees, to vet folks coming into the country, do you think it needs to be improved? do you think it is a safety risk now? >> i think the mechanisms we have now are strong. if anybody has an idea as to how we can make them stronger, go forward. i don't think there's any debate, progressive, conservative, or anybody else, that we want to keep the united states safe. we want to be 100% clear that anybody who comes into this country should not be coming into this country to do us harm, but what you heard mr. miller

say is a shell gate. while -- while there's a lot of discussion about racist immigration policies of the trump administration based on anti-muslim ideology which is doing us enormous harm all over the world, something else is going on at the same time, and that president trump is backtracking on the american people when he said he would not cut social security, medicare, and medicaid. we're talking about immigration, he's apointing wall street bankers, the same people he said he would oppose to very high positions, getting 250 million dollar severance package from goldman sachs, now the main financial adviser. we're talking about dividing the american people up. we're supposed to hate muslims. we're supposed to hate latinos.

we're supposed to hate blacks. >> it's a shiny object now to distract the public, divide the public -- >> you got it! meanwhile, he was going to clean the swamp. guess who is running the swamp now? the same exact wall street guys from goldman sachs who were there in the past. we're all talking about who do we hate tomorrow? is it the muslims? is it latinos? who do we hate? remember when mr. trump some years ago led the birther effort to undermine the legitimacy of the first african-american president in our history, it was trying to divide us up. what say to the american people, stay focused. stay focused. do you want billionaires and wall street executives to be running the economy? do you want economic policies that work for working families and the middle class. where is the discussion about raising the minimum wage to a living wage? pay equity for women. >> let me ask you, senator, there's a lot of anti-trump activism over three weeks.

once, again, every saturday of this presidency so far we've seen symptom protests. there's a lot of energy in the progressive movement. there's a lot of debate about what democrats should do about it. >> first of all, do you believe this is a tea party for the left, and what, if so, what lessons did you learn in 2009 that you think can be learned by the democrats now? >> no. it's not a tea party because the tea party was essentially funded by the billionaire coch brothers family. this is a spontaneous and grassroots uprising of the american people. let me mention, chuck, you may be the first to hear this, on february 25th, two weeks from yesterday, there is, in fact, going to be rallies all over this country. i think you're going to see people in conservative areas, in progressive areas, asking the republicans, what are you going to do when you through 20 million people off of health insurance?

how many of them are going to die? what's your plan? what are you going to do when you raise prescription drug costs on average $2,000 for senior citizens? are you going to repeal the protection against preexisting conditions? so that people who have cancer or heart disease will no longer be able to get insurance? are you going to throw kids off their parent's health insurance program? republicans have to start answering those questions and the american people are pretty clear overwhelmingly, they want to improve the affordable care act. they do not want to repeal it. >> let me ask a question. some of your former staffers, including nick, has a draft bernie for a people's party movement. they want to start a new political party in the statement saying this, despite bernie sanders' monumental endeavor to bring people into the democratic party, people are leaving it my the millions. the collective efforts cannot stem the tide of people who are going to the democratic base. what do you say to the efforts? >> i say two things. right now, we are in a pivotal

moment in american history. we have a president who is delusional, who 12 a pathological liar. >> strong words. can you work with a pathological world? >> it is harsh, but that is the truth. when somebody goes before you and the american people saying 3-5 million people voted ille l illegally in the last election, nobody believes that. there's no evidence. what would you call that? it's a lie. it's a delusion. second of all, to answer the question, what we have to do right now is focus on being the american people together around a progressive agenda. american people want to raise the minimum wage. they want to rebuild the crumbling infrastructure. they want the wealthiest people in the country to start paying their fair share of taxes. they want the united states to join the rest of the

industrialized world and guarantee health care to all people as a right. >> so if the democratic party isn't that vehicle, then you would support something like that, but you still believe -- >> no, right now -- >> the democratic party is the vehicle? >> right now, chuck, i'm working to bring fundamental reform to the democratic party to open the doors of the democratic party, to working people, to lower income people, to young people who have not felt welcome in the embrace of the democratic party. >> all right. i got to leave it there. senator bernie sanders, thanks for coming on and sharing the views, sir, appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, those on the left say democrats should oppose donald trump at every turn, but not everyone agrees including one who says there are areas where the two sides can work together. baa baa black sheep,

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welcome back. katty kay is here, and greta from "for the record," and pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post."

>> don't make this your last appearance. >> i took 70 years, that's why i took a long time. >> no pressure. >> to north korea and interviews i had. quickly, you've been to north korea numerous times. your best read of the intent of this missile test, a test of trump? >> we're in trouble. they -- north korea's done five nuclear tests, two near 2016, and now we have the second test of a ballistic missile and a situation where, obviously, this was done to rattle the president because the prime minister of japan was here. no president has been able to handle the country. the country is paranoid and they do not like us. >> we don't know how he'll respond and all presidents are tested early by that. >> yeah. >> i want to go to what we heard here on the travel ban on immigration. it's been a ruf week and some of this is process than policy. >> yeah. it's -- it's more process than

politics. it's the president's own reaction, really, to what he sees, apparently as illegitimacy of the judiciary system or ability to do what the judicial branch is supposed to do, which is tell us, interpret the law and tell us whether or not it's constitutional. it was interesting to hear miller say, you know, stop this huge thing -- but, in fact, he can, he did. that's his job. >> governor, you know about judges doing things, and one judge has the power. >> yeah. >> there's a growing amount of conservative columnists arguing that, perhaps, this is -- we got a competency issue in the white house. is that what you see? >> no. typical behavior of the administration. go back to the clinton administration, the t-shirts, people in the white house did not know what they were doing, there was a lot of rookie mistakes. the hillary care, had no idea about the communication or process of that.

the obama care, they did not have an i.t. system to implement it. major breakdown in a major institution in the first three, four months of the bobama administration. there's breakdowns in the proce process. the security director admitted to mistakes. what governors said six months ago is this. the fbi told them and told the nation that a venting process was not acceptable, especially in countries like syria, that have a total breakdown of government. the second thing that governors said was this, that once the refugees came to the united states, there's no communication with the fbi or with government, state government, homeland security officials on where these immigrants go to. that's a long term security issue i'm glad the trump administration is dealing with. katty, the other order we talked about was mill r on, it seemed he was dancing around whether there is a priority now on

essentially deporting anybody who's committed a crime, no matter the level of crime. >> he was really choosing the language carefully on the question of whether being in the united states in and of itself institutes enough of a crime to be deported. confusing thing in the administration is sorting out what is new and different and really changing america, and what is political theatrics in the language. we have so much, what is it, day 23, feels like day 230 -- >> yeah. >> so much coming. >> year three. >> is it different from president obama or imgrants are afraid and worried. >> president obama did deport people who were here illegally, but who had not committed crimes. he prioritized because of the limited amount of resources. what's different? >> probably nothing. >> it was not clarified. >> quickly, what did you hear on mike flynn? >> exactly. what i was going to bring up. i heard a very sort of

noncommittal respond. the white house did not give me anything to say on it? oh, oh. >> as a former governor, you depend on the staff to give you direct, accurate honest information, especially if as a governor or vice president. >> he survives because jeremy who worked in the obama administration at the cia did not have a problem with him talking to the russian ambassador in the transition. the problem, of course, is what was said, but in this town, you survive. >> it's not the crime of the coverup. >> the president and the vice president don't know what's going on behind them. i think that's a difficult position for flynn to have put himself in. >> this white house was not given an understatement, right? it was an understated response. >> this is the city of no -- >> you think this is up to pence whether flynn says or goes? >> it's what we fine out when told pence and pence depended upon information and stuck his neck out for him. >> he did.

interesting. pausing here, guys, you'll be back, of course, but when i come back, i'll speak with the former senator who says the election of donald trump was a shock that make the political system needed. remember, he's a dpm. democrat.

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democrat. he voted for george w. bush over al gore, but he switched parties in 2006 to become a democrat. he takes an optimistic view of the potential of the trump presidency. welcome back to the show. >> nice to be here. >> so let's put some con toex your words. when you were -- you wrote an op-ed the day before the inauguinau inaugurati inauguration, and on foreign policy, something about the election is a jolt the system needed or shock that it needed. explain. >> well, you know, in so many words here. i did not say that the system needed a president trump, but i said for a long time that the system we're operating under needs some sort of a, what you called, a jolt. i think both parties got calcified. remember if hillary clinton had won, you'd be seeing the same sort of activities that you're seeing now. they would just be focused on different things. people would be saying, she belonged in jail.

people would be talking about corruption. turnstile government, et cetera, et cetera, so what we're seeing playing out right now, first of all, and as the governor mentioned, this is a new administration getting, as we call it, but at the same time, this is an attempt by president trump to pull different types of people into the system from the old turnstile government. there's a lot of republicans that are mad at him who are out there in the think tanks thinking they were going to come into a republican administration. also, he's got to payback, i think, that he feels strongly about in terms of the people who actually put him over. the voters that were alienated and not voting, and these issues, the controversial issues, pointed out, in a wrong form, i think, are issues of credibility. on the democrats, they are looking at 2018, and they don't have a message. they don't have -- >> speak to them as they, by the way, you don't say "waquesti"we

there a reason? >> i'm not in the system. i'm a writer, a journalist, and it's a good place to be making observations. >> welcome back, and finish the observation. >> well, you know, there is a campaign going on on the hill in the media in the academia to personally discredit, not only donald trump, but the people who are around him, and, you know, the end result of this is to slow down the process, by the way, you're not talking a minute ago about the confirmation process, slow it down so democrats are vulnerable, particularly in the senate, there's not going to be a record of accomplishment they can run against. at the same time, the democratic party, moved far to the left. you know, when you can't have a jefferson-jackson dinner, which was the primary, you know, celebration event of the democratic party for years

because jefferson and jackson were slave holders, they were also great americans in their day, something just different happened to the democratic party. >> too focus on identity poli c politi politics? >> i think the message shaped of the democratic party is shaped to identity politics, and they lost the key part of the base, the people that, you know, my family history goes back to the roosevelt democrats, people who believed regardless of the identity segments, you need to have a voice in corners of power for those who have no voice. we lost that in the democratic party. i'm not saying the republicans have it -- >> the center is hollowed out, in both parties. if you assess that and you were running for re-election, you'd get primaried, and you'd probably lose. >> well, true. well, i don't know --

>> i didn't say you -- >> personally -- >> a democratic incumbent. fair enough. >> that is a danger to people who would say those thing, but the democrats have not done the kind of self-reflection they should have starting in 2010. i was talking about this in the election. you lost white working people and flyover land. you saw in this election what happens when people get frustrated enough they say, i'm not going to take this -- bernie, a good friend of mine, talk about it all you want, the fact you made money does not make you a member of that philosophy. look at franklin roosevelt, but there's an aristocracy that has to be broken somehow in both parties. i think that's what the trump message was that echoed so strongly in these flyover communities. >> let me ask on the election. you stayed away from saying who you supported in the election. tim kaine you have respect for.

i can't imagine you didn't vote for him. >> i voted for him for senator. >> for senator. at the end of the day, are you comfortable with your vote, with whoever you voted for? >> i'm comfortable for my vote, and my vote is private to me, but at the same time, you know, i will say that i did not endorse hillary clinton. i had a lot of concerns that, you know, people in my group that i've grown up with have and the democratic party's got to do real hard looks at whether or not they are going to expand and get back working people who used to be the core of their party. >> are you done with office? >> i'm over here with you right now. >> all right. i will leave it there. senator jim webb, apparently coming back to the journalism world. we welcome you back. >> thank you. >> thanks for coming on. >> great to be with you. coming up, voting with your wallet when president trump raise the ll bean last month,

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[ crowd chants [ chanting ] welcome back, these are scenes from town halls that was salt lake ci salt lake city, utah, and georgia. a number of republicans this week who got a taste of what tea party supporters did to democrats in 2009. guys, we just saw, katty, sort of the two visions of where the democratic party should go in bernie sanders. >> yeah. this is georgia and utah we're looking at pictures from, right? >> that's right, yeah. >> the democrats, the base there is furious. they are trying to drag the leadership to the left, but that puts democrats in red states up for re-election in an incredibly difficult position.

take mccaskill who is in a bind. i don't know what to do, and that doesn't happen often. if she goes with the base and loses the election, she's at 47% approval, they win the senate more broadly. >> the party is going to the left. you know, you see what's happening out there. you see these protests every week. it's really sort of energized the democratic coalition in the way that -- >> see -- i -- >> i see -- >> follow the money. follow the money. senator sanders mentioned the money going to the tea party. the money is going to the sanders' wing. do you think the protests are not paid? >> everybody always thinks -- >> paid protests -- >> well coordinated, takes money to coordinate protests. >> no, it takes the internet. >> no. takes money. >> i think senator webb was right in when he spoke, too. i think he's saying that the

democratic party committed political suicide. talking about how the jefferson-jackson dinners, the democratic party moving left. lost the white working people, which biden also said, that he did not even endorse hillary clinton, senator, he told you, and he said that the democratic party's ignoring flyover states, which i'm from one, i might say, but they should listen to kaine. -- to webb. >> they don't feel, from the left, they are going to get any from this administration. there is going to be no area in which they will compromise, and, therefore, they want to keep the protests up on the street, and they want to keep the pressure on the government that way. >> there's an -- a vis ration, they want to avis rate donald trump, and purge around -- even tom brady, the -- >> this is familiar to me, the tea party message about president obama. >> exactly. as if the tea party -- >> by the way, politically, it was successful. >> yes, that's the thing.

>> for governing, this is not. >> what did republicans lose over eight years by the obstructions? not much. >> the 2012 presidential election, i would say. >> and won at every other level. that's the next step for in, you know, democratic, kind of like the tea party movement, protest movement, win at the local grassroots level. >> i have to ask you this. governor, i want you to have the last word on this as discussed. there is evidence saying that hit you, cost the election, not priorities for you but the base. you candidate fight the base, what's the reaction? >> warren is doing the same thing to the democratic party. some of the left wing protesters, coordination of left wing groups are pulling the party to the left. i agree with the senator, there is a purging. look at the nordstrom issue

because there's pressure not to buy the product. the pressure on people even attaching themselves to the president and impacting their business is so strong that it's a heck of a campaign. weather it's a long term strategy, i don't think it is. it is not a good one. >> we'll come back, a quick break, end a game and debate over what defines freedom in america. very provocative piece by andrew sullivan. coming up "meet the press" end game brought to you by boeing, always working to build something better. i never miss an early morning market. but with my back pain i couldn't sleep or get up in time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. and now. i'm back! aleve pm for a better am.

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brought to y meet the press end game brought to you by boeing, all working to make something better. >> back to end gamt. we had a good conversation. i want to throw at little thing to you guys and let you have at it. andrew sullivan, a provocative piece, a free society means being free of those who rule over you, to do the things you care about, passions, past times, your love, to exult in the blessed face where politics does not intervene. we are working in a country with less freedom than a month ago. the argument being, greta, thinking about politics all the time, we fear our freedoms are taken away. what do you say to that? >> there are freedoms taken away. in college, we fought for the first amendment, and now there's space spaces. there are curves on the rights, but we'll get through it. we had bruising battles before,

i like a robust debate. >> national emergency was another phrase. >> yeah. there's a feeling among, i think, a lot of people that there's a national emergency, president trump says it, you know, i alone can fix it, everything's going to hell, and people who oppose president trump feel his presidency is the emergency. as the executive orders come out and flurry of, you know, ten things every day. >> i wonder whether the question is not whether this is going to normalize. we all feel overwhelmed. the country is overwhelmed and kp exhausted by what's going on. it's a learning process. you get elected because you don't know much about government. that's what appeals to people. >> that's right. >> then you have an incredible learning curve when you come in. it's a lesson for france, london, and u.k. as well. the question is, i think, can you have that insurgency in the popularism and normal functioning government for people. we don't know yet. >> sustainable. >> devil's in the details.

sanders talked about obamacare. what's the changes? i'm the first panelist to be on cobra insurance. >> i'm on it too. >> are ya? now i'm looking at how much does insurance cost under obamacare? it is extremely expensive. this is going to be extremely complex issue that moves beyond pop pewism. >> you know -- >> did you set up an exchange? >> i'm staying on cobra as long as i can. >> listen -- >> that's $1100 a month, and for a middle class family, that's a lot per year of net income out of your pocket. >> obamacare, republicans fought it when it was passed because it gave so much power to the secretary of hhs, and enormous power, like 2500 references. now the shoe's on the foot, now a republican hhs director can do so much. >> nba weekend is not in north carolina. it was not repealed yet. you and i had a back and forth

on this. >> i do -- i'm very concerned about the purge iing. houston, texas, they did the exact same law as north carolina, and there was no boyco boycott. >> they hinted they could take it further. >> no problems in houston, texas. the ncaa played in houston, texas last year. no problems whatsoever. there's a little selective hypocrisy right now in our country on which issues we're going to boycott and which issues are we not going to boycott. >> we're out of time. >> market forces, no doubt about it. >> thank you. i hope you took my advice on the wizards, it's paying off. it's a good wagon to jump on. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >> see more, sponsored by

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