to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. good afternoon. i'm jacob soboroff at msnbc world headquarters. it is 3:00 p.m. eastern time, here in new york. and in melbourne, florida, where president trump is expected to hold a campaign-style rally, just two hours from now. it is a rally that we will carry live, right here on msnbc. while the president speaks to reporters here in the u.s., vice president pence as well as defense secretary james mattis and secretary of state rex tillerson are overseas in germany, trying to ease our allies' concerns over the new administration and its so-called america first approach. meanwhile, for the fifth straight weekend, anti-trump rallies are taking place all across the country. we'll go live to one of those rallies just minutes from now. but we begin, just two hours from now, the fir

campaign-style rally of the president's term will begin, with the pside looking to reset his administration, only four weeks in. after what many have deemed a disastrous week that included the resignation of his national security adviser, what can be described only as one doozy of a press conference. but can you expect that same combative trump to show up today? joining me now from the orlando melbourne international airport, where his rally is set to take place is nbc's mariana atencio. maria mariana, good to see you. who can we expect to show up today? president trump or candidate trump? or is there a difference at this point? >> reporter: jacob, they are one and the same. whether you're talking about candidate trump or president trump, donald trump is perpetuating this idea of the permanent campaign with this campaign event in melbourne, today. people have been out here since 4:00 or 6:00 in the morning. the doors are about to open. and this was an event organized

and planned through his campaign site. people had to go register on there to go to get tickets to this event. i want to ask some of his supporter ifs they're okay with the president campaigning 1,354 days before the 2020 election. let's talk to some people. let's say hi, folks, how are you? >> hi. >> reporter: so i want to ask you, are you okay with the president actually campaigning today? i mean, a month in his presidency? >> of course, of course. you've got to keep the fires burning. otherwise, you end up with coals and they just go out. this is a fantastic idea. >> reporter: fantastic idea. do you guys agree? >> absolutely! >> yes. >> reporter: what are smome of the issues you're hoping to hear about today? >> jobs, for sure. jobs up north, jobs everywhere. the economy, everything. the border. everything he's talking about, everything he said he was going to do, he needs to do. and if he's only had 30 days to do it, he's never been in this posion before pb it's going to take time for him to get it

done, but in 30 days, he's done more than the 8 years of the last administration, as far as i'm concerned. >> reporter: you guys come out to a lot of campaign events? >> first one ever. >> first one. >> reporter: what about you, sir? >> last one was ross perot. >> did you vote for him? >> i was too young. >> you were probably not even born yet. >> did you vote for mr. trump? >> absolutely. >> i voted for obama last year, i was democrat last year and changed over last year along with a bunch of my friends. can't take this anymore. this country is headed way in the wrong direction. it's got to change. >> jobs. with a strong america, strong american economy, jobs are the key. >> reporter: thank you so much, donald trump supporters want to hear from the president directly, and as we saw on the campaign, that is what donald trump likes to do. he likes to bring the message to his supporters directly, he's done it on twitter, backing news media.

>> i'm jonasi 'm jonesing to be was yop pass the president takes his message to the people, he is blaming the news media for dishonest coverage of his administration, calling it, quote, the enemy of the american people. i don't know if he's talking about me. here is senator john mccain reacting in an exclusive interview with msnbc's "meet the press". >> we need you. we need a free press. we must have it. it's vital. if you want to preserve -- i'm very serious now. if you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and many times, adversarial press. and without it, i'm afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time.

that's how dictators get started. >> joining me now to discuss is michael steele, the former senior adviser to jeb bush and former house speaker for john boehner. msnbc contributor and senior editor at business insider. let me start with you, josh. a lot of people are reacting to president trump's tweet. let me read it, exactly. as he sent it out, the fake news media is not my enemy. it is the enemy of the american people. so, some people are calling this nixonian. how much of this is strategic or just the president doing his thing? >> i think he's just venting. i think people attribute too much strategy to donald trump in generally. he cares deeply about how the media talks about him. he complains all the time about cnn and "the new york times," but wakes up every morning and reads "the new york times" and wants approval from these outlets. >> he's watching these shows, but criticizes what he says he's not watching. >> and i thought it was really telling what those two people waiting for the rally said.

asked, what do you want to hear about, they said, i want to hear about jobs. the high point of his presidency came before he was nargted, at the carrier plant in indiana. that's why i find it very strange he's spending time railing against the media. he got elected president because he won overwhelmingly among people who disliked both him and hillary clinton. there are a lot of people he needs on his side who are expecting something to deliver something for him. and every day he spends complaining about the press is a day not spending demonstrating how he's going to bring jobs back to the united states. >> my colleague, kasie hunt, tried her hunt to get members of the press to react to the press conference. >> how would you react, one word for the president's press conference today? >> i didn't get to see it. >> didn't see it either? >> one word? reaction? >> terrifying. >> sir? >> unfocused. conference, i'm sorry.ess >> non-ending. >> i was in a commiee hearing. >> lacking.

>> i didn't watch it. >> unbelievable. >> i didn't see it today. i've been in committee hearings all day. >> wow, so how is this really, do you think, being -- they say it's not being viewed, but how is it being viewed by republicans on the hill, michael? >> i think it's -- well, this is a president who believes that the best defense as a good offense. that's what he's doing with these tweets against the media. what he's doing getting back to a campaign-style rally. the question is, if he's not going to do the hard work of sitting down with legislators and getting things done, is he going to empower his cabinet secretaries? is he going to empower his aides to have those negotiations and make progress on some of these big issues, like tax reform, immigration, health care, et cetera? >> it's a pretty extraordinary thing to see, tara, to watch that yesterday, especially to see kasie talking to those members of congress saying, it just so happens that most republicans didn't happen to eso it. the idea of a permanent campaign is not something new, but it's happening now even earlier than we ever would have thought. is this something democrats are

prepared for? >> i think right now democrats aren't as prepared as they should be, in terms of i think democratic activists are prepared for the trump presidency, and they're taking on donald trump. i think the democratic party has a lot of work to do. what i do think is interesting is that donald trump is not interested in governing. that's why you don't see him governing. he's interested in the trappings of being president. but he doesn't want to do the work associated with being president. it's like the old saying goes. everybody wants to go to evheav, nobody wants to die. so i think donald trump is many things. and i think the reason why many people have trouble sort of understanding what's happening right now is because he's many things at once. i agree with josh. i think he is venting. but i also think he's being strategic. i think that he has understood and learned, he has been manipulating the press for 40 years. and he understands that if he puts o a big show and makes a lot of noise, that that becomes the story. and it distracts from the fact he's not doing anything serious. >> one of the thing it distracts

from, to your point, is there are some 650 leadership points, josh, that remain to be filled, you know, some staffers are expressing frustration for these anti-trump views, and he's going against them. what do you make of this? >> well, i mean, we're seeing the consequences of that. the executive order that was issued, for example, that got smacked down in the courts. got smacked down, in part, because they rushed it through, they didn't consult anybody about it as they were writing it and made a lot of legal mistakes. that's what happens when you're doing that thing without an attorney general in place, without a solicitor general, now they do have an attorney general. i agree with tara that donald trump is very skilled in manipulating the media. but i think a media strategy for being a real estate developer is very different from being president. he built his career basically making big promises, not necessarily fulfilling them, but he's under much more scrutiny than he ever was in new york, and people will notice when he's promising things he can't deliver. in particular, "the wall street journal" reported there's an

internal fight among his staffers about economic projections. he wanted to issue projections about how the economy's going to grow so much, they gave instructions down to people about how much the economy would grow. and he's used to making big promises. if he actually did that, he wouldn't meet the projections, and people would throw it at him for years. he's not used to being held accountable when he doesn't actually deliver on the big promises. >> hence the awkward moment with peter alexander over his electoral college victory just the other day during the prmess conference. these town halls are being flooded by constituents and protesters. we'll have a report from there shortly after our conversation. how is this energy different from similar scenes that we've seen, especially the tea party? >> well, the crazy thing about the difference right now, at least, is that most of the tea party protests were in response to things that actually happened and during changes to the way our country is run like the takeover of our health care

system, like spending $1 trillion on economic stimulus that didn't work. these demonstrations, at this point, are largely about symbolic efforts or executive orders that have been staid by the courts. they're about a perception and a feeling rather than about actual changes. >> if this is so much about health care, and tara is here shaking her head, if this is so much about health care, why haven't we heard anything yet concrete from the republicans about health care at these forums or elsewhere? >> i think they're working through making the decisions of what you do to replace obamacare, because they want to protect people who are benefiting from the law. they want to protect people who have pre-existing conditions, et cetera. >> we're all looking at tara right now. we'll have to conversation this conversation in another time. i appreciate you guys being here. tara, josh, michael, thank you guys all very much. coming up next, we'll turn to the i.c.e. raids that have led to the arrests of more than 600 undocumented immigrants nationwide.

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we are looking at live pictures right now of a march taking place in minneapolis, minnesota. demonstrators there are marching in support of immigrants and refugees. we have seen people across the country since the president was elected. people are also taking to the streets today in los angeles this afternoon, calling for the end of i.c.e. raids and deportations. this comes of i.c.e. says more than 600 undocumented immigrants have been arrested. 75% of them convicted criminals. but immigration officials were asked to defend at least one arrest. in washington state, a 23-year-old dreamer was detained.

the government said he was a gang member, something the man's attorney has denied. also, in el paso, texas, the county attorney's office there says a transgender woman was arrested after seeking court protection in a domestic violence case. joining me now to discuss this is buzzfeed reporter adolfo flores and the director of the dream action coalition and a former latino outreach director for the 2016 bernie sanders campaign. good to see you. adolfo, i want to start with you. that dreamer arrest, the president has not said much about his plan for daca since taking office, deferred action for childhood arrivals, but he did mention it actually on thursday at the press conference. let's take a listen. >> daca is a very, very difficult subject for me. i will tell you. to me, it's one of the most difficult subjects i have. because you have these incredible kids, in many cases, not in all cases. in some of the cases, they're having daca and they're gang members and drug dealers, too. we're going to deal with daca with heart. >> he says with t"we're going t

with dacas with t with heart," . what do you think of that? >> he's changed his mind several times on daca. he said he was going to get rid of it once he took office, then he said he would work with dreamers. but it's not exactly clear what he means by dealing, you know, with them, with heart. so, again, we don't really know what he's going to do. but he is, as far as we know, going to do something about the program. >> to adolfo's point, cesar, not much is clear about the president's priorities here when it comes to deportations. we know that president obama ported more undocumented immigrants than anybody in the history of any president in the united states. when it comes to daca, he had said, maybe he's not going to be deporting these young people . w now it may not necessarily seem that way. >> that is the other main issue, the main problem we had, the main kruccriticism we had with president obama and now with president trump. when you are allowing immigration agents to detain anyone and giving them the power

and tools, this is exactly what happened. not only do they target people with violent criminal records, but they go after, indri indiscriminately dreamers, people with no violent crimes. or people in texas, someone who's seeking protection. this is exactly what we're seeing that we were criticizing the obama administration and trump that is going after people with very, very minor violations. and that is the main concern. >> which we should say, it's not that it didn't happen under president obama's administration, it happened quite frequently at the beginning of his administration. it happened less so towards the end. but it still did happen and it evened out that president obama deported nearly as many criminals as non-criminals. so there's the ayers of the transgender woman in texas. isn't this actually what officials in sanctuary cities warned about? i talked to police officers who bs with, you're not going to have people, undocumented or not, reporting crimes or looking to law enforcement for help, because they fear deportation. >> yeah.

in miss gonzalez's case, she had just won a protective order against her abuser, one of her boyfriends. and he was in court, she had just walked out from this hearing, and she was detained. so a lot of the concerns that immigrant advocates have is that people like her aren't going to go seek help from authorities, because they're going to be scared of being arrested or detained by i.c.e.. >> there are now worries, cesar, from the new york attorney general that there are people posing as fake i.c.e. officers take advantage of immigrants nut united states. what would you advise to people who purport to be i.c.e.? >> let them know about their rights. you have the right to remain silent if an agent comes or anyone comes to show you a warrant signed by a judge. that's what we're trying to tell and get involved in the community.

regards of who else is in the white house, a democrat or a republican, the targeting of immigrant communities is still the same. and we need to make sure our immigrant communities are protected. we just did know your rights, where we had almost 100 people come into our neighborhood community meeting, because they really are afraid. that is the main concern. there is facts. we need to get the facts that this can happen under both president obama and donald trump. and also on the conversation, where the national guard. president obama also initiated the national guard at the border. has donald trump caused a bigger uproar? absolutely, because he's given more power to arrest and detain. that is a big concern. this happened under president obama, that he gave the keys to a deportation machine that now donald trump and his administration is using aggressively. >> let's talk about this report about the national guard. let me bring you back in adolfo, the press reported using the national guard to actually round up unauthorized, undocumented immigrants. the white house has

categorically denied that report. and as for nbc news, i should speak for that, as well. what we understand, it might have been a draft memo floated around before the inauguration. what, if any, in totality, looking at the situation inside, does this give us into the trump administration's plans? >> well, it gives us a sense of how far they'll go to carry out immigration enrcemen again, it is a draft andt was something that was being considered, but how highly that was being considered, no one knows. >> and just to wrap it up with you here, as we were looking at those pictures from minnesota, people are out in the streets enforce another weekend. what do you think we can expect in the days and weeks ahead when it comes to this these raids? do we have any idea? is this just the beginning?

>> this is the beginning that immigration is probably going to target more people. people with no criminal records, or people with very minor criminal records, veterans. but also we're seeing the beginning of these big rallies, where people who have never been involved, finally getting activated to get involved in those marches. not just marches, but we're engaged in our elected officials. we got engaged with a republican with. those marches really resemble what we need to do. staying active, engaging people, but ensuring that both political parties really, really listen to the american people. that we need immigration reform. and that's ultimately what we need in this country. >> just to reiterate, you have said it is an issue that is at the heart of both parties. because you mentioned veterans, i've been down in tijuana reporting. there is a veterans community there that's been deported under president obama and previous veterans, and they're leaving in mexico after living nearly their whole lives in the united states. thank you so much, good to see you, both adolfo flores and cesar vargas.

we appreciate it very much. we'll go to los angeles for a live report to hear firsthand from protesters who have taken to the streets to protest against the trump administration and the i.c.e. raids and deportations, coming up next. hi! hey! i've made plans for later in case this date doesn't go well. same here. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi double cash card does. earn 1% cash back when you buy, and 1% as you pay. double means double.

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because we're here, we're here, and we've got your back. legalzoom. legal help is here. happening right now, at least four dead and thousands evacuated after a powerful rainstorm ripped through southern california. the delug csed dangerous mud slides, high stream levels, and massiv sinkholes that killed two motorists. a cleanup effort is underway right now, but another storm is expected to pick up. this time threatening northern california, where residents fear rising waters could prove just too much for the nation's tallest dam at oroville after nearly 200,000 were evacuated earlier this week, because of damaged spillways. and after the storm, come more protests, hitting the streets of los angeles. demonstrators are planning to march with a list of demands against president trump's immigration policies, including the end of i.c.e. raids and

deportations, and a formal declaration from the mayor of los angeles, eric garcetti, making it a sanctuary city. over 20,000 people responded to the facebook invitation that they are going to show up. today, i want to bring in nbc's gadi schwartz, who is out there right now. and has been following this immigration issue for us. gadi, what is the crowd size like out there? anything near the 20,000 that facebook said? and especially given the storm conditions on saturday? >> well, there are definitely thousands out here. a lot of people were worried that not many people were going to show up because of that crazy storm that we had yesterday. but this stretches for about four to five blocks that way. it stretches about six blocks this way. and you see the crowd is extremely sizable. most of these people are here supporting immigration. but there is a whole host of issues. there's, in fact, 90 groups that have put this all together. but one of the signs we're seeing the most is people out here supporting immigration, and in particular, a lot of people holding signs that say keep families together, that i am

here for my mother. i am proud supporter of immigrant rights, a proud son of immigrants. if we want, let's see if we can talk to some of these people to tell us what brings them out here. hi, how's it going. we're live on msnbc. just wanted to ask you, what brings you out here today. you're presidents' weekend and you're here marching against president trump. >> the fact that my mom is an immigrant and i feel like i need to do this for her so she gets the rights she needs, because this whole time she's working hard to provide for us and of course, she's part of this country, just like all of us. and i'm fighting for her and my father. >> tell me a little bit about your mother. where did she come from? what's her story? >> both of my parents are from mexico city. at the age of 10, my father was deported, so i haven't seen him in about ten years, but my mother is still here, safe and well, and so we're here fighting for her to day. she's been here all alone for about 20 years now.

>> what's your message to the president? >> we will be here every week we have to, but you will not deport my mother or any other families. >> jacob, a lot of people here also asking for los angeles to insist this is a sanctuary city. there's been some back and forth on whether this is a sanctuary city. what a sanctuary city actually means. but right now, this crowd is marching to city hall, hoping that los angeles will formalize this as a sanctuary city. >> it's definitely ambiguous, gadi. i was in fresno, california, where they essentially have the same policing policy on the streets as the los angeles police department. fresno doesn't call itself a sanctuary city. los angeles does. i want to ask you about some of your coverage over the past couple of weeks. are any of the marchers out there talking about these people that you have met along the way? guadalupe garcia in arizona, jeannette vizguerra in denver, are they marching in solidarity with those immigrants, as well? >> reporter: and they have similar stories to that. so one of the interesting things

that we've been talking to people about over the last couple of days is whether or not if they have families that are undocumented and if they have families that become in the crosshairs of i.c.e., whether or not they will actually seek sanctuary in a church. so far, seeing what happened to thee rayos family in phoenix and seeing what happened to the woman in denver has really kind of set the tone for people, as they decide what they will do, if this swings towards their family. so a lot of people we've talked to are already making contingency plans and are here undocumented as to what they may do if i.c.e. comes after them. >> gadi, any response from mayor garcetti, eric garcetti out there in l.a. to these protester who is demand that he call los angeles explicitly a sanctuary city? >> reporter: well, yeah, so, it's interesting, he's been very careful with his words. he has said that los angeles is a city of sanctuary, but he's also said -- oh, excuse me. he's also said that los angeles

has not technically deemed itself as a sanctuary city. and of course, the big question, it's a $500 million question here in los angeles, because that's how much the city of los angeles gets in federal funding. that's all in jeopardy. the president, president donald trump has threatened to pull federal funding from sanctuary cities. los angeles has all the hallmarks of a sanctuary city. they do not honor detainers that are not signed off by a judge or they don't have a warrant with them. they do not cooperate with i.c.e. without a judge's orders or without some type of court order. and they also -- they take it a little bit further than most sanctuary cities. they actually have $10 million set aside to help undocumented residents here in los angeles, who may be fighting deportation. so, it's all in, what's in a name? and right now these people asking for this to be called a sanctuary city. jac jacob? >> my bureau mate, gadi

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while president trump looks to mobilize his conservative base in florida today, his diplomatic team including vice president pence and the secretaries of state and defense are on the road on an international charm offensive, meeting with world leaders in munich, as they look to ease a worrying europe with one message. america's here to lead. >> the united states of america strongly supports nato and will be unwavering in our commitment

to this transatlantic alliance. and know is. the united states will continue to hol russia accountable. >> joining me from munich is the man who anchored the last hour on msnbc, nbc's keir simmons. keir, you heard pence right there. how effective was he out there in reassuring world leaders? >> reporter: well, they watch washington the same as anyone else. so they know that there is a battle inside washington for who has the president's ear, who has the power over america's foreign policy agenda. so the question that folks are asking here is, are we talking to the right people? and i guess, of course, the trump administration would say, yes, you are. vice president pence is absolutely crucial, and the others who are here, but that is the question, honestly, that they're asking. and then in the hall, there was muted applause. it wasn't -- there weren't

standing ovations. it wasn't a rapturous welcome. and that was partly because although there was a lot of sweet talk, a lot of talk about the importance of alliances, particularly between the united states and europe, at the same time, jacob, the message was still there. you need to spend more on defense. you need to spend more on defense, you need to spend more on defense, otherwise you're undermining the alliance. that is not a message that goes down fantastically well amongst european leaders. >> that's right, keir. and one can only wonder what president trump would say if he were in the same room with the same leaders and how different it would be ultimately from what the vice president had to say. keir, i know you caught up with the vice president. i wanted to play a bit of your exchange regarding his role and speaking on behalf of the president. watch this. >> are you and the president sending the same message, sir? >> yes, exactly the same message. >> exactly the same message? >> strong support for nato and -- and president trump has expressed his expectation that our partners hear in nato live

up to the commitments that they've made at our common defense. >> keir, he didn't have to stop for you there, but obviously that question got his attention enough for him to turn and want to talk to you. do you think that world leaders are taking pence seriously after trump's past comments on nato? >> reporter: him seriously. obviously, he's the vice president, and at the same time, jacob, his message on nato was pretty close to president trump's. it was, we support nato, which is what president trump has said more recently, but at the same time, we want you to spend more on defense. here's the real issue. nato is the crucially related to russia, for example. and we know about the fears about the threats from president putin, as it's viewed from here in europe and from the united states. so nato is crucial, but the germans, for example, are simply not going to reach the kind of spending that president trump is asking for, for years and years. and the question really is, will

americans accept that? will the people who elected president trump accept that? because he will want to go back and say to his base, look, i got the germans to spend more. they are spending more, but not as much as president trump would like. >> nbc's keir simmons in munich, great to see you. i'll see you on snapchat, thank you very much. while the vice presidents and secretaries of state and defense try their chances at charming leaders in munich, here at home the president is playing defense against his own intelligence agencies. after the resignation of his national security adviser and rumors that intel officers are withholding information from the west wing, there are reports that the president actually got into a verbal spat with his cia chief, mike pompeo, at one point, allegedly yelling over the notion the intel community was keeping details away from the oval office. pom pompeo, we should say, has shot down those reports, but that has not stopped the president blaming from what he calls criminals leak for his administration's recent

troubles, pointing to obama holdouts within the intelligence agencies as the culprit. joining me here in new york is n naveed jamali, "how to catch a spy." so he did it during the campaign, did it during the transition, and is continuing to do it as president. >> that's a great question. i think that's exactly right. i think that there is clearly this fight that's been brewing. and we have potentially a dni who has not been confirmed yet, who in many cases is viewed as someone who's not terribly strong. when you have a director of national intelligence, you want someone who's going to represent the intelligence community. nothing against mr. coates, but -- >> being a senator is not enough? >> he's towards the end of his career, i think. and in many cases, he was selected because he's kind of someone who cannot be exactly the strongest person to fight

against change against the intelligence community. >> during this news conference, the president talked about the add of appointing somebody to sort of, audit, the intelligence language. reports say this person might be a new york billionaire by the name of steve feinberg. is that only going to add fuel to this fight? >> the optics are terrible. you don't have a dni in place or an nsa in place, but you're talking about bringing someone with no intelligence communiexp to fill the intelligence community. we're going to bring someone out who's an adviser. and it's a terrible message. and i think it's going to have an impact on morale. >> so with dni still -- the rolls still not filled with the nsa job now, he's got to go back and figure out who that's going to be. yet again, how much of this is just a lack of leadership? >> it's a good question. i think there are a lot of people watching who would have normally jumped to take the nsa job who are hedging their bets.

they don't know what's going to happen with the trump team here or the presidency. they don't know if they're going to have control over the structure of the nsa and the nsc. and i think a lot of people are very worried about taking that position. >> sorry, reportedly, david petraeus is no longer in consideration, because he was not going on able to put his own people in there, affluent general mike flynn resigned. what do you make of that decision. >> i think there is -- look, the idea with bannon and bringing this other guy in from the outside of the ic, there is clearly something afoot here that is attempting to mi ing ti perception is you're minimizing the role of the national security adviser. anyone who's going to come in here who is not going to be strong is going to probably be selective. in so many ways, a strong personality is not going to be someone in the administration who seems to want that role. >> former fbi double agent, naveed jamali, the best title for any msnbc contributor. coming up next, a closer

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nomination, former actori iacti secretary in the obama administration, good to see you. so we just heard from mariana atencio at the top of the hour at this donald trump campaign rally. people are still saying it. jobs, jobs, jobs. does the acosta selection track with that in your opinion? >> in a word, no. he is an establishment pick. he's the kind of candidate that mitt romney easily could have chosen for the labor secretary job. donald trump talked about building up middle wage, middle skill, middle class jobs, raising people's wages, makg lives better for working class families, and alex acosta is a conservative, believing government shouldn't be intervening in the workplace to

help people do better. i don't think workers are going to get more than an open door from alex acosta. >> alex acosta served on the national labor relations board under president george w. bush and he's been through three senate confirmation hearings, which i think the president pointed out there. is it going to be a smooth confirmation? >> he's going to get confirmed, but there are going to be a lot of questions about his tenure at the justice department. there were allegations of illegal political hiring there. there will be questions about his experience of the u.s. attorney in miami and some of the cases. there was one particular case about a really egregious sexual abuse of minors. he was alleged to have intervened in voter suppression efforts in ohio, on the wrong side. so there'll be some questions for him. but it's reasonable to assume that he doesn't have some of the really troubling, personal challenges that president trump's first labor secretary pick, andy puzder had, so my expectation is that he will be

cob fi confirmed. let's talk about his tenure at the justice department. while he was at the department of justice, a government report said that acosta did not sufficiently supervise a subordinate who engaged in politicized hiring. what does that say about his judgment and how he has exercised it as the secretary of labor? >> that's a the fair question. the labor secretary is the ceo of a 17,000-person, $13.5 billion corporation. it's a huge enterprise. so managerial skil, supervisory skill is part of the job. and so that's a legitimate question to ask dean acosta. is he going to do a good job making sure the labor department achieves its mission? that's a fair question. >> i want to ask you about how acosta's nomination would affect the fight for 15 that we saw gain a lot of steam under

president obama across the country. my understanding is that he's worked as an attorney on the management side of labor relation issues. what happens though these movements across the country, people that have seen success like los angeles and seattle? do these movements go any further under an alexseattle, d go under the acosta reign at the department of labor? >> what's terrific about those movements is they are not depending upon government. they are bringing pressure on government and employers to do the right thing. in this case i think they can expect that the labor department is going to sit on the sidelines. it's not going to help for example, raise the minimum wage, to improve overtime standards, improve worker safety and health. but as long as the worker based movements are driving the agenda and pushing for better live force working people, particularly those who are stuck in low wage, low skill jobs that make it very, very difficult for them to support their families, i think the agenda is going to advance. >> former acting labor secretary, seth harris, good to

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in just a few hours, president trump will hold a campaign style rally 234 central florida, one of his strongholds. you will see it here on msnbc, of course. a month into his presidency we are checking in with other communities that voted for donald trump, including dubuque, iowa. the county went for president obama in 2008 and in 2012. but it flipped red in this last election. we saw that across the country. von hillyard has been talking with trump supporters there and joins me now. my friend, von, what are you hearing out there? >> jacob, we're at paul's tavern in dubuque, iowa, where they are known for their renowned

cheesebergers. i was here in six months before the iowa caucus. that month donald trump came to town a. lot of people were turning their heads, why is donald trump coming to dubuque, iowa. john potter went to the rally. i'm i go to bring him in. he voted for donald trump in november and helped it from a plus 17 for obama state to plus one for trump. john, the question here, you work in manufacturer, you are a union member. >> correct why did you go to the rally and what led you to vote for donald trump? >> me and my wife were excited about something different. maybe a business man. we are getting up in there in years where our investments hadn't been a high rate of return. we figure if the economy picks up and we get a business man in there that will work with the

capitalistic system that there is a better chance for your investments to pick up. >> what about for manufacturing? why did due beak overwhelmingly 14i69, you voted republican, you are an independent. >> i can only speak for myself but i think manufacturing shifted because they want to bring the jobs back here. and that's what he is promising. time will tell whether that actually gets brought to fruition. >> one of the questions a lot is at what point do trump voters say enough is enough with this white house drama, questions over russia. for you, what do those i guess side shows, side stories, do they change your opinion of the trump administration or the hope it in? >> they don't change it at all and they don't change the hope in it because i'm not a fan of the instant gratification and the instant exploitive powers of media right you no. i would rather see him in connection and rather listen to him in a direct interview or his press conferences. like to take it from him.

>> we have got to throw it back to jacob. you know these sentiments, a lot of people who voted for donald trump are sticking by him. >> once a road warrior, always a road warrior. that does it for us this hour. we'll be back again tomorrow, 9:00 a.m. on the east coast and 3:00 p.m. on the east coast as well. find me on social media. stephanie goss picks up coverage next.

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