burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands... step on up and talk to your doctor today. good day, everyone. i'm alex witt. it's high noon precisely in the east, 9:00 out west. a campaign flashback denying a rocky start to his tenure and hitting his favorite target. >> they have their own agenda and their agenda is not your agenda. >> the president faces two big questions looking for an nsa chief. those details ahead. plus -- >> everything that he says about the president is colored by his own dispute that he has running

with the president. >> striking back at one of the fellow senators critical of the esident. plus, richard engle has the very latest from the iranian leader. and we begin this hour with live pictures of new york city where a pro-muslim rally has just started. this rally comes at a time when president trump is wrapping up another working weekend at his mar-a-lago home in florida. the white house chief of staff is slamming reports that at least two previous candidates declined to take the position if they could not take their own staff. >> i don't want steve bannon as a formal member of the national security council. >> the president has said very

clearly that the new nsa director will have total and complete say over the makeup of the nsc and all of the components of the nsc. those are more fake news stories that are completely untrue. we've never put tdemands on the incoming nsa director. >> and paul harwood w-- harward was supposed to be on abc but canceled an hour before he was to appear. meanwhile, president trump's latest rift with the media is renewing a feud between republican senators john mccain and rand paul. >> if you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have an adversarial press and without it i'm afraid

that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. that's how dictators get started. when you look at history, the first thing dictators do is shut down the press. i'm not saying that president trump is trying to be a dictator. i'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history. >> i see no evidence that anybody is putting forward any kind of legislation to limit the press. i think people, you know, this is colored by john mccain's disagreement with president trump. it all is. everything that he says about the president is colored by his own personal dispute he's got running with president trump and should be taken with a grain of salt because john mccain's the guyed guy who has advocated for war everywhere and we're lucky john mccain is not in charge because i think we would be in perpetual war. >> their comments come a someday after president trump lashed out the media. >> misrepresentations and false

stories. they could not defeat us in the primaries and we'll continue to expose them for what they are and, most importantly, we will continue to win, win, win. >> president trump's travel ban executive order caused some protests in times square. adam, what is the message there? >> reporter: alec, the title is "i'm a muslim, too." diversity is what makes america great and if you're going to attack one person, whether it be a muslim or anyone else here in america, you're really attacking everyone. joining me now is an organizer of this event. good afternoon. what really is your message for president trump? >> my message to president trump

is to do what he promised. and with one voice this is what makes america great. >> people from all walks of life? >> we have people from all walks of life, all different countries who came and they are americans and is an american. >> homeland security secretary kelly spoke out yesterday and he said that the executive order will be changed. and they will make it so that people with a visa or green card will be able to come to america much easier and there will be no confusion at the airport. does that satisfy you in any way? >> it does not satisfy me until i see it in writing because many times we are hearing things happen, they say something and something else is written. until we see it, until we view it, we cannot comment on that

but we definitely want to make sure america's open to all of the people that want to come to america with the right visas, with the right green cards, all of that information, absolutely. >> thank you very much. alex, stay safe. they will be coming back here every weekend until there is a change coming from the administration in washington. alex? >> a lot of passion there. a lot of travel headaches for us. thank you so much, adam reiss. joining me now from west palm beach, florida, kelly o'donnell. >> reporter: well, it's a sunday and for donald trump that mean as working day, at least in part. officials tell us there will be at least four interviews for that important position of security adviser. they are keeping open the possibility that should the president feel that there were other candidates that should be included should he not reach a

conclusion, they don't want to close the door but they have indicated a couple of names that we can talk about and some of them are a bit more well known to the public. for example, the acting national security adviser keith kellogg and the former u.n. ambassador under president george w. bush, john bolton, a well-known figure in the foreign policy national security. they are being looking at people with military background at this point and, of course, this is an issue when it comes to how is the president learning on a day-to-day basis and about areas of concern, hot spots around the world, helping to shape policy and interact with world leaders. it's an inside the white house job. very different than, for example, some of the department heads like department of department, secretary of state who would also have a big voice on national security issues. but this national security adviser is, in many ways, just at the hip of any president to help guide policy, to give

feedback and to present information and call information from around the world and the national security council which is a vast organization inside the white house for the president. so we're here on a beautiful sunday in west palm beach. the president has spent part of his day at one of his golf clubs in the area but i'm also told by white house officials that he'll use his mar-a-lago home for these interviews. he told reporters traveling on air force one for him for yesterday's event, that rally event that's gotten a lot of attention, that he thinks the process is moving well and he expects a decision soon. we've come to learn that in the trump white house that could mean not waiting for a weekday. we just don't know. tomorrow is a federal holiday and so the president is expected to be here through much of tomorrow as well. we'll see how that progresses. as we heard, reince priebus on the morning shows today talked about some of the parameters for this hire and disputed some of

the information about whether this new position would have hiring and firing power for a staff inside the white house. we expect to learn more once a decision is made and we get a sense of if this new national security adviser does in fact bring in new blood or new associates who could assist going forward. but it's a big job and it's been a controversial month with michael flynn getting that job and then being forced out of it due to his contacts with russia. but, more important, his failure to explain. good to see you both. i'm going to begin with you ladies. how is the white house looking at the strategy behind the rallies? if in fact there is more to

come, do they see the rallies as a reset as a second month in office? >> they see it as a reset and also something that will bolster donald trump's spirits. this is his forte and he really loves engaging with these crowds and they envision speaking to the public, sort of cutting out the press. he spoke a lot at the rally yesterday about the dishonest press, the fake news, the problems as one of the worst problems facing america today and this is his way of circumventing the press and going directly to the people and that's what they want to do. they want to keep taking his message as white house aides tell me directly to the people that they see as meddling of the press or misinterpretation. >> some 9,000 strong near orlando. ben, is there a way to assess whether the president gets a disproportionate picture of how he holds these rallies? >> truch loves to bask in the

agilation that shows his support is high when most of it is low. it feeds into being a popular president as having the support of the people which seems to basically refer to the people who are strong supporters of his so rallies like this tend to reinforce his sense of confidence, his sense that he hasn't made missteps and basically create a sort of information bubble for him in which he can easily dismiss criticisms of his presidency. >> let's listen to reince priebus a short time ago. here's that, everyone. >> you get about 10% coverage

and netanyahu, the prime minister of the uk, prime minister of canada. >> we covered all of those news conferences live. everybody did. >> right. sure. as soon as it was over, the next 20 hours is all about russian spies. no one gets along. how nothing is happening. >> you don't get to tell us what to do any more than barack obama did. barack obama whined about fox news all the time. he never said that we were an enemy of the people. >> so jay, what do you think? in the end, who is more likely to win these arguments? is it president trump and the anti-media message and do you think media ultimately prevails? >> to some degree, both sides win in their own way. donald trump, when he's talking about these things, he's really lking about his base. he's saying don't listen to their lies or what they are saying. look how we're taking them on and challenging the status quo and disrupting the system and really making waves. that's what they wanted from

him. they wanted to cause all kinds of strife and disruption. the media, to some degree, is now sort of proving that they are not in the can for donald trump, that they are willing to take on the president. they are willing to go toe-to-toe with the white house and hold them accountable and some people out there are listening to that message in that it's important to have a florida state. >> sweeping new guidelines for deporting undocumented immigrants, does it give any credence to the associated press report that the dhs was planning to use the national guard to wound up undocumented immigrants? >> you know, it's unclear what happened with that report. the fact that we now have some more reliable reporting on what the department of homeland security actually intends to do

leaves one to perhaps suspect that this plan to have 100,000 national guard members participate in deporting immigrants was floated as a way to provoke outrage intentionally so that the white house could bat it down and then roll out these orders that are less extreme and encounter less resistance to them. certainly i think there's more questions to be asked about how exactly that memo came to be reported and why the white house only denied that the a.p. report was true after it had gone to wire. >> i want you both to listen to what the president said about a new executive order on the travel ban. here it is. >> we will do something next week. i think you'll be impressed. we'll see what happens. here's the bottom line. we've got to keep our country safe. we've got to keep our country

safe. >> the lawyers have been trying to figure out how to do this without seeing it challenged once again in court. it was pretty humiliating to have that travel ban challenged and then ultimately taken down by the ninth circuit court of appeals. they are trying to find a way to do this that will hold up in the court system and still stand while achieving their original goal of suspending of the large part of immigration from the seven muslim nations and that's truly pretty tricky when you talk to lawyers about the constitutionality of this and of the ability to what is the precedence of it, the urgency of it, the pressing situation happening in recent weeks to require this action versus an action two weeks ago, two months ago or something rather than just donald trump fulfilling a campaign pledge. it's not the easiest thing to draft. i think they are trying to find the right language. >> ben, are you getting any sense from inside the white house that the first go-around that they had dotted all the i's and crossed all of the t's before putting it out there?

>> of course they do. that's not something that you're going to get the white house to admit publicly, especially after trump described his administration as a fine-tuned machine the other day. it caused disruption within the white house and like the department of homeland security, which was blindsided by what can only be described as a bungled rollout for that order. people inside the white house, inside the rest of the administration are hoping that the second time is the charm on this and that they can have a smooth drama-free rollout. >> all right. ben and jamie, thanks so much. appreciate it. >> thanks for having us on. still ahead, the surprising answer about new u.s. sanctions after iran's latest missile test. richard engel will join me next on his fascinating interview. american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order

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overseas now, iran's foreign minister is responding to president trump's recent policies towards tehran and threats to trip up the 2015 nuclear agreement. chief correspondent richard engel sat down in munich and joins us right now. good to have you here. let's talk about this very wide-ranging interview that you had. what stood out to you? >> reporter: well, this is a private conference but attracts top officials from around the world. official who wouldn't normally even meet. you have top israeli officials, saudi officials, iranians, europeans and the talk in the hallways was all about the united states. it was all about the trump administration. it was all about concerns that the national security team isn't

up and running, that there doesn't seem to be a clear policy. and there's a concern that this is destabilizing for the world. i sat down with the iranian foreign minister because iran has been the subject of a lot of fiercest rhetoric. i would say iran and the media seem to be the big betting r's of this trump administration. how is iran expected to react? what is iran going to do when faced with this new administration? >> we don't respond well to this type of language.

i believe it would work much better if they decided to use the language of respect, the language of and that would make iranians respond positively. >> as specifically how iran would react if donald trump has said between the united states and iran but several would not be bound by the agreement anymore if there was no agreement and therefore would likely restart the nuclear program. and the travel ban.

if a new travel ban is imposed, iran would also likely respond with increasing its own travel ban against the united states. >> iranians have never been involved in any act of violence against the american people. in fact, iranians in the united states are the most educated, the most successful community of immigrants in the united states. and they have always been law-abiding citizens of the countries they chose as their place of residence. >> reporter: so while i wouldn't say that the iranian foreign minister was exactly extending an olive branch to the trump

administration, it did seem to be a call to tone down the rhetoric, to continue the dialogue, not to tear up the nuclear deal and effectively try and move beyond some of the president trump. i think that was the main message that the foreign minister was trying to convey to us. >> very quickly, richard, do you think he remains positive, hopeful, optimistic, pessimistic or just -- >> i think he sounded optimistic. he surrounded that wiser heads will prevail and i asked if he thinks there could be a military confrontation between the united states and iran. if you remember, it didn't get a lot of attention but last week there was a report, we've

confirmed this as well, that there was supposed to be launched to sort of stage this operation in which the u.s. military was going to board an iranian vessel. it would have been a very provocative act and could have come to blows, in fact, in the waters off of iran. the mission was ultimately called off by the u.s. military. but when i asked him if there are more actions like this more potential military actions in the straits of hormuz or elsewhere, he hoped wiser heads would prevail. >> richard engel in munich for us, thanks. new reaction today from trump supporters. are they abandoning him?

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welcome back, everyone. i'm alex witt here in new york. at 32 minutes past the hour, here's what we're monitoring for you. >> lift off of the falcon 9. >> that was a spacex falcon 9 rocket blasting off from kennedy space center in florida. it's on its way to the international space station with a load of supplies. astronauts flew to the moon from this very spot nearly half a century ago and for the only third time in history, it landed back at cape canaveral following liftoff. let's go back to michael flynn's forced resignation. congressman adam schiff today raising questions he wants to

ask general flynn. >> i'd like to ask him whether that conversation he had with the russian ambassador was a one-up conversation or who was reported falsely to the vice president and the vice president in turn had mislead the american people. >> let's bring in a republican and member of the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, welcome to you. i'm curious about those questions. any of those that you would like to ask general flynn? >> well, i think that general flynn's gone and so there's a legitimate source of inquiry about why he's doing what he's doing but i also don't think we want to get too distracted on paying attention to what russia is doing and what the other problems that we're facing around the world are. particularly in syria and the restart with iran. >> understandably. but let's go back to if he was

instructed to speak with the russian ambassador and ask questions and have discussions. wouldn't you want to know that? >> well, i think there's been a lot of instances in the past where preconfirmees have gotten off there reservation a little t and i don't know if general flynn was warned. the state department is very good about warning about incoming ambassadors and people in the state department to tell them what they can or can't do. i don't know whether the white house gave that kind of instruction to general flynn or not. >> ultimately, do you think that house republicans are not as concerned about the russia link overall? do you think there's even a chance that the count affted the election's outcome a isn't that kind of what this is all about? >> well, i think spying goes on everywhere and we spy, they spy, they spied on republicans and

democrats. it's an insult to think a foreign country could be invading our personal space like that but i also think we have to recognize these cold-blooded authoritarian regimes for what they are and look at them with real lens and be tough on them. some of the comments senator rubio said the other day resonated with me that we have to recognize putin for where he is and if our interests align, fine. and what you've just said, is that a uniform perception within the republican party and does that sync up with donald trump, our president's? >> i think there are some people who say we will never align with russia. president trump has struck a nerve, at least with me, when he says we need to take out isis and al qaeda in the middle east and as long as russia is willing to do that, there's some minor alignment between our two

interests. i'd personally like to see the regime of bashar removed if we could come up with a logical constitution for it. >> what about republican senator john mccain who said on "meet the press" that the cost of attacks are, quote, how dictators get started. what is your reaction to that? >> well, i'm a believer in the first amendment. i think it's a wonderful gift of our founders and i would hate to see anything undermine them. >> all right. how much do you think your sentiments are reflected in the hallowed halls of the west wing? >> well, they've said an aggressive thing about the media and i don't know what they are saying is true or not. but a healthy free press is what

helps keep a country representative democracy when they convinced the people of romania that they wore bear skins and didn't have food. once they realized that we're the most abundant society in the world, they overthrew their ruler. >> lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are concerned that president trump's unorthodoxed statements and behavior threatens the country's international standing. "even members of trump's own party are having difficulties vouching for him." is the gop running out of patience for this combative nature or at least part of the gop? >> well, the republican party has a wide spectrum of views, just like the democratic party and there's nothing wrong with that. i think we're in the early innings of the administration

and we have important challenges to face, many of which donald trump raised in his campaign, like security, like getting this economy out of 1% and getting it back to the 4 or 5% growth years that built the american middle class and made the country what it is. i'd rather be focused on those things than anything else. >> let's talk about health care, then. the pensacola news journal is reporting there's a planned protest outside of your office to try to stop the repeal of obamacare. so when you see these outcries, sir, does it reopen the door for you to rethink obamacare? >> i believe in free markets and despite the ramp paant fearmongering there's too much fear. if people would stop and pay attention to what is being said, nobody would say they would be left in the lurch without

insurance and all that's been said is that we're going to repeal these mandates and anti-competitive top-down government-run portions of obamacare. let dr. price get in there and see what he can do combined with a repair bill i believe competition is a good thing and will help bring down prices. it used to be that way with life insurance and now you can buy it anywhere and it's cheaper. i can buy a car in california if i want to. >> i think it's kind of expensive out there. just saying. having done that in my past. thank you very much, france see rooney. appreciate it. in the next hour, overtaking the capital of isis. the main strategy iraqi forces are using to save a city and the

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very dangerous level of -- [ crowd booing ]. >> upset constituents voicing their dissatisfaction with congressman tom reid. he tried to defend republican plans to replace and repeal obamacare, among other issues. welcome, sir. glad to have you. let's take a look at what happened in november. because you won your district handily. have you ever had so many people show up at a town hall to

express their opposition and frustration? >> there was a great amount of passion on display but we did over five hours of talking and listen to our constituent. as a representative, i think that's something that is the right thing to do. >> i do, too, and i applaud you for doing it, which is not easy to do, especially five hours at a time. many of the critics said they are afraid if obamacare is repealed they will lose the protections, the caps on coverage, kids staying on their parents' insurance until the age of 26. republicans have not put forward a replacement plan. my last guest, representative rooney, has said, look, nobody has said anything about that. but can you understand their frustrations? >> oh, of course. obje obviously when people are going through change, there's going to be anxiety and fear. i'm very confident that we're going to get through this in a way that respect reforms like

pre-existing conditions and 26-year-olds on their parents' policies and lifetime caps because that's the right thing to do. but we're going to make sure we listen to the people and get their input. >> that's exactly what you're doing, sir. and to your great credit, you show up at these town halls like yesterday. but several of your colleagues are refusing to hold town halls with their constituents this week. should they? >> i respect each member's prerogative in to how they represent the district. this is something right for us. this is something we've done from day one and we'll keep doing it. to represent people, you have to listen to people. i encourage folks to get out there, come whenever they want, reach out to our office and we're here to listen because they're the voice i want to represent in washington. >> in terms of the kind of town halls and crowds that you're facing, there are reports that house members are being told by lawmakers that you have to be

extra vigilant because of these recent raucous town halls. did you receive that kind of advice before holding your town hall yesterday? >> i've heard that concern and always you have to be aware of security. at the end of the day, i trust people. these are my neighbors, people i've lived with my entire life. i have no problem going amongst the people and listening to them and we'll take care of the security. obviously we want to make sure that they are safe. i care about their safety. we're going to take that into consideration. but i always believe being with the people, listening to the people is the right thing to do. >> among the things that people are clamoring about with their concerns about repealing obamacare are these health care savings accounts of increasing the fortitude of those. can you see why people are concerned about that? are people even exactly clear what that's about? >> i think some people -- this is new reforms, the things like the health savings account

reforms, allowing people to have access to their money that they've earned through employment and working and that's why we're rewarding work with reforms like that, i think it's going to be a critical piece of the replacement package and making sure medicaid is there for those that don't have the resources. so to me, this is a commonsense, reasonable approach to repeal obamacare which i support and move to more people empowered health care going forward. >> but what about people who start a job and put a certain amount of money into health care savings, they get sick and they don't have a fund on which to rely that's going to take them very far. >> i think that's where the advanceable refundable tax credit proposals that are being discussed that we tried and had a conversation about once the protests and the disruption die down yesterday to try to talk to people that there will be resources there for them to access and then if they have a devastating circumstance, if they lose their job or don't

have an income, that's what the medicaid safety net is about. we care about people and we want to make sure weea them in a way that recognize these risks and these concerns >> congressman, my final question to you would be, are there any points, large or small, on which you disagree with the president? >> i think the president is doing great work in the sense of listening to the people. i watched his speech yesterday. he's going directly to the people. creating opportunity for generations to come, the things about u.s. manufacturing as the co-chair of the manufacturing caucus in a bipartisan way. that is something that we're coming together and we can support whole-heartedly. >> congressman reed, thank you for joining me. >> thanks for having me on. why a one-time opponent of president trump is now deend iffing the commander in chief. i'm so sexy, you can't keep your hands off me. do it again. there you go...

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one is on twitter and the other is on actions. not everyone is perfect but i think there's a lot of good things and we shouldn't lose sight of good things in terms of what is happening in washington. >> that is kentucky senator rand paul and he's defending the president's actions in his first 30 days in office. let's bring in howard dean, former dnc chair and msnbc contributor and susan d del pursio. does senator rand paul have a point here? are we getting too carried away with paying attention to the president's tweets and not paying attention to what he's done? >> what has he done? he's gotten his national security adviser fired and himself fired. he's made a lot of enemies. but he's taken credit for other

people's work, for example, the ceos of ford mother company. >> what about you, susan? should we consider the president's words and actions separately? >> well, no. you have to take it all in its entirety. but what's concerning to a lot of people when it comes to donald trump's tweets and such, it shows a lack of discipline and, what's worse, it shows that he's not staying on his own message, which is what republicans are particularly frustrated with. he had a good meeting with the head of israel. he's been attacking iran and he wants to go after isis. all of these things are happening, which are very good for the president but he seems to step on his own stories. he can actually start governing the country. >> do you think republicans in general see that, susan? when you look at the 9,000

strong in melbourne, florida, do you think people see that, you know, maybe he's trying to do things with his actions that they voted him into office to do on their behalf but that his words are distracting and can sometimes be damaging? >> well, there's the republicans in washington who are trying to work with him that are very frustrated sometimes when he kind of goes ahead of his skis on certain issues that are problematic, like saying that i'm going to have ta tax reform in two weeks and then there are the republicans and their base that were there yesterday that are fully supporting donald trump because, if nothing else, they see something's being shooken up. they are so frustrated with washington, they voted for donald trump, they wanted to see something different happen and they're okay with that now and they will be for a while. >> so earlier this week, as you both know, the president made some waves when he tweeted that

the media is the enemy of the american people. here is adam schiff's response. >> i didn't think i could be shocked any more by this president but of all of the things that he's said, this to me was the most devastating and the most alarming that he essentially views the first amendment, because that's what these organizations represent, as an enemy of the people. this is something that you hear dictators say when they want to control all of the information. it's not something you've ever heard a president of the united states say. not even nixon went there. >> all right. to you both. howard, you both. do you agree? >> well, actually, nixon sort of did go there. look, every politician, myself included, has felt that way, perhaps not to that extreme. but the media has a job to do and a lot of it what their job does is annoying and sometimes they don't tell the story the way we'd like them to tell the story. but the truth is, without the media, this no longer is a democracy. about 10% of their job is to make sure people like me or

people like donald trump or people in this business don't do things that undercover of night that are dishonest and dangerous to the republic. that's their job. so i think this kind of attitude is not helpful. jack kennedy had the best thing, best quote about this many years ago. he said, look, most of us get mad at the media but they have a job to do and they are essential to the republic. that's a much more eloquent quote than that. >> susan, getting mad is one thing but is it dangerous, the line that donald trump seems to be drawing here? >> oh, absolutely. i've worked in government politics in the media for over 25 years and i've never quite -- i've certainly seen bias in the media, especially towards republicans here in the northeast, but that doesn't mean that they don't have a job to do and i do find it quite appalling that he would claim them the enemy of the people. that's just fundamentally wrong. so -- and it is dangerous

because we live -- now we live in a world where people pick and choose their news. you don't have to turn on the tv and only have three stations and get a basic commentary. you can go all over and find something or some place that endorses your own thoughts. it's troubling because now people believe there is such a thing as fake news, which there really isn't. >> okay. good to see you both, as always. howard and susan, see you again next week. >> thank you. still ahead, the future of the democratic party. who will emerge as the head of the country and what direction it will go? i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation, in case i decide to go from kid-friendly to kid-free. now i can start relaxing even before the vacation begins. your vacation is very important. that's why booking.com makes finding the right hotel for the right price easy. visit booking.com now to find out why we're booking.yeah

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