well, that's going to do for us on this president's day. i'm steve kornacki here in new york. mtp daily with katie tur in for chuck starts right now. if it's monday, some people are celebrating president's day, some people are celebrating not my president's day. and some people know what the holiday is actually called. good evening, and welcome to mtp daily, i'm katie tur in new york in for chuck todd and welcome to the one month mark of the president's administration. the relationship with russia continue to swirl. the president announced his new national security advisor also today. and republicans inside and outside the administration are pushing back against the president, calling the media, quote, the enemy. we'll cover it all tonight, we begin with the anti-trump

resistance. they did not take the holiday weekend off. all day and into this evening, not my president's rallies are taking place across the country. and our nbc reporters have been filing reports from coast to coast. >> reporter: hey katie, right now we are in front of city hall in los angeles. and you see the crowds are up on the steps. they've got signs of every different type. there are so many different issues out here. people here for women's rights, people are here that are against the muslim ban. people here that don't want to see families deported. we've been talking to several people here who say that they fear president trump because he is making good on his promises. it's the same type of thing we've heard from president trump supporters on why they support the president and why they're so encouraged to see what he's doing. but both sides of the issue here, both sides of the president trump definitely divided today. >> reporter: i've been walking for several miles now, this march is almost finished. and just now as we were getting ready to wrap up, we also ran

into these trump supporters. and there was a little bit of a tense exchange with some of the marchers, but many people here are rallying against donald trump policies. >> reporter: i think this is one of the biggest ones in the country, katie. police are saying there are thousands of people from 61st street up to about 69th street, that's a quarter mile. and we also started down columbus circle, confrontations. there were some anti-trump and pro-trump supporters confrontations yelling and screaming. people over in this direction are trying to come on. this is going on for several more hours. >> as we speak, the president is traveling back to the white house from his florida home and congress is on a week long recess. but if lawmakers thought they'd get a reprieve during their time in their districts, think again. members of congress were met with protests at constituent town halls over the weekend. >> ever since the election, i have felt like a passenger in a car that's being driven by the drunk driver.

[ applause ] >> are you proud to have him representing our country? >> given the two choices i had, i am thankful that trump is our president. [ booing ] . >> i'm here to listen. ideas on health care fronts. let me -- let me throw one out there. i am very supportive of, how about -- how about our conversation -- where do people -- where do we people sta stand -- >> i'll talk to one of the organizers behind the movement in a moment, but first, let's go to congressman tom reid. that was his town hall that we just showed you video of. one of four on saturday one that had to be moved outside because so many people showed up. congressman, first of a one thank you so much for being here. a lot of your colleagues -- >> thank you for having me. >> great. a lot of your colleagues were shying away from the in person town hall and said they were doing it on facebook.

why did you show up in person? >> well, we've been doing town halls since i've been in congress. it's something we have done 200 times plus. because, to represent people, you have to listen to people. and that's a cornerstone of my belief, we'll engage, even with people that are 100 degrees against what we stand for. >> do you think that protest was organic? >> well, i think some of it was organized, some of it was clearly organic and clearly people are concerned. there's fear and anxiety out there. and my job is to have the conversation to say, you know what, there's more that unites us than dwiesd us as a nation. we need to come together to solve these problems. >> you have the conversation, what do you believe the constituents are most worried about right now? >> well, i think there's just a lot of anxiety. a lot of people not recognizing that what we're going to do with health care, what are the solutions we're putting on to the table. we're going to empower people. we're going to move away from government-controlled health care and move to a people-based system that empowers people and

doctors. >> what if you continue to roll out this plan, you continue to give information about this proposed plan that is going to come out at some point and your constituents continue to come out to those town halls to push back against it? are you worried that maybe your candidacy next time around could be in in jeopardy? >> i'm not worried about reelection because -- i went to washington to solve problems. that's why the problem solvers kcaucus that we participate in. once we start enacting solutions and empowering people. i believe a lot of this tension, a lot of anxiety, a lot of this fear will go away. >> you say it's about softing problems, congressman, your kwenlts are worried and angry about the idea of taking away obamacare or the affordable care act. doesn't -- isn't part of your job listening to their concerns and hearing them when they say we don't want you to take this away? >> yeah. and that's what we engaged in the conversation with. the town halls we heard saturday, that position, but they also wanted to move to a

single payer complete government controlled health care. and to me, that's not the right path and i'm listening to the silent majority out there. the forgotten men and women, the voice of them who elected donald trump, and that stood with me for reelection the m last cycle. >> when are we going to see a concrete plan for what you are going to replace or propose replacing obamacare with? >> that's why it was so critical. i wanted the input. after we had five hours worth of conversation, there were stretches where we had a constructive dialogue. health savings reforms, advanced fundable tax credit to purchase their health care. i anticipate when we get back after listening to people, that will allow us to advance the policy and return to washington next week. >> this wasn't your town hall, but it was said in one of the ones we just played. a man felt like he was in a car with a drunk driver at the wheel. that's the analogy presented with donald trump as president. when you hear stuff like that, how do you help voters concerns? >> by showing up.

and looking them in the eye and saying this is a great country. we have a great days ahead of us. and what we need to do is come together as a nation and there's people like myself that are fully engaged with that dialogue. and by coming together and enacting solutions, we'll get through whatever fear and anxiety that motivates these folks and concerns of these folks. and what we need to do is go forward. >> what do you sty congressmen not showing up? >> i respect each member's decision, how they represent their district. for us, this is something we've been doing since day one and will continue to do. just as i showed up thursday night when we had protesters take over our office for three days with a sit-in and sleep-in. we're showing up because we care about people. >> a lot of allegations flying that these are paid protesters, do you believe that? >> no, i think there's some organization to it, depends on where you're at across the country. what i saw was passion, fear and anxiety and as a representative, wingst incumbent. me to get out there and have that conversation and tell folks

we care about them and we to want make sure we're doing right for them as we're going forward. >> congressman tom reid, happy president's day to you. joining me now, the group behind many of those protests happening at town halls across the country. his group is founded by former congressional staffers. and it began as an online google dock of tools to resist the trump agenda. him in a while, but let's bring in the panel. bob ur lick, a trump surrogate, corinne jean-pierre to movon.org and steve clemons is editor at large. he's also an msnbc contributor. guys, thank you so much for being here. i'm sorry i couldn't be there with you in person. >> no problem. >> anyway, talk to me about what we just heard from tom reid. he's showing up at these town halls. and -- there are so many congressman who are not doing so who are shying away and doing it

on facebook instead. governor, i want to ask you, do you think that's the appropriate way to face your constituents? >> as a former member of congress, i love what tom just said. he's as good as it gets. he knows some of the protesters are paid and they're professional activists and community organizers and that sort of stuff, but some are real. some of it's real angst, you get that, so you show up and you do your job and part of your job is to listen. it's interesting for -- as i was listening to tom, i was thinking about, gee, eight years ago, that sort of me. i'd have been frustrated, angry over the past eight years. i didn't decide to show up and protest and destroy property and all of that, but folks the right has been frustrated. and you've seen it. so i think part of -- one, first of all tom's doing the right thing. he's doing his job which is great to see. secondly you see the fact of a very divided country. and a very sill soft call thing.

it's not a partisan divide, but it's a if i have soft call divide. and if you thought you were going to have obama three, it came crashing down november 8th, and you don't have it, you're upset and angry and for some reason, this modern progressive left likes to act out and we'll see -- i'll just make one last point here, with regard to the acting out and protests it's fine, it's the american way, to the extent, it destroys property or stops traffic and all of that, they're just hurting themselves, which we'll see how they perceive it and goes upon. >> you're laughing. i want to hear why you're laughing, go on. >> so with all do respect to the governor, i would like him to name me one -- to name one protester that he knows that's being paid to come -- >> oh my lord, are you kidding me? oh my lord. >> just one, just one. >> professional organizers out there? >> no, this is very much organically happening. >> sure. >> around the country.

>> absolutely. >> because of what donald trump has been doing for the last 30 days. >> wait a second, can i ask you a question? >> let me finish. >> the day after the election, he hadn't done anything. >> come on, this is not cross fire. let's just hear -- >> let me finish. let me finish. and there's no report showing today that there's been any violence. so -- >> berkeley. >> well, that's a whole different issue. >> oh, okay. >> i don't condone violence. i think these protests should be non-violent and peaceful, but what we're seeing across the country have not been violent, at all. they've been organic. and look, one thing that i can say and i said this before, the one thing that republicans have been able to do is sell the importance of obamacare, which is something democrats were not able to do for six years. and if republicans were so proud of what they were doing with obamacare, they wouldn't be cancelling all of their town halls. they would be showing up and listening and doing what the congressman that was just on the air is doing. and they're not. and so what's happening is people are coming out and

they're saying, no to the muslim ban. they're saying no to taking away their health care. and that is what's happening. and it's only 30 days, 32 days. >> corinne, governor, and steve, hold on, i want to bring in ezra who knows a thing or two about these protesters, ezra, are these protesters adds the governor alleges are -- are any paid protesters? >> no, absolutely not. this is an organic movement that's being led at the local level. and it's coming together to be led in really creative ways. people bring valentine's day cards to their members of congress asking for a date. we have people putting together scrapbooks of people in the district these are citizens, these are constituents, these are folks who are really concerned about the direction of the country, they're nurses, school teachers, folks with day jobs spending their nights and weekends trying to get involved in the political process. some of them for the very first time. >> governor, a lot of -- on this

point, a lot of folks are uncomfortable with this president, a lot of folks didn't vote for this president. >> sure. >> how did you allege that all of the people -- or even some of them. how are you -- >> i don't dismiss the angst. as i said, people thought -- these are big government types. they want single payer, and they want open borders, we get that. these issues were debated during the campaign. and they lost. and they thought they weren't going to lose, they thought it was going to be obama three obviously, and so, with regard to obamacare, for example, it's been on the ballot three times now. really, referendums on obamacare, it's bleeding. it's a disaster. the only it's done is increase the medicaid rolls which if that's what you wanted to do, the president could have easily done that by the way when democrats had control of the house and the senate. that's what it's done. >> bob, hold on a second -- >> they're bleeding and the reason major insurers are pulling out of the networks is they can't make a buck.

>> so far, we have to see what the republicans offer in replacement form. we haven't yet seen that. >> sure. >> there are folks in the republican party who are pretty concerned about how exactly they're going to try and roll back this plan and fix it. that being said, ezra, i want to ask you, you've helped organize this pushback against trump movement. how does that sustain itself? can it sustain itself for long enough to affect the 2018 midterms? >> yes. to so i would say we didn't organize hardly anything. we put out a google dock that was largely based on the tactics and strategies of the tea party saying that local defensive congressional advocacy can indeed work, can indeed change the mind of your individual senators and your representative. what we've seen in the last four or five weeks is that 7,000 groups at the local level have formed, using this guide. if you go to indivisible guide.com, type in your zip code you'll find near you, town halls

near you, people are getting engaged, it's not facebook or twitter or websites, this is people getting together with their friends, families, and neighbors, and coming out and making their voice heard. it's really -- i've got say it should be inspiring to see whether you're on the right or the left, all of this civic engagement. >> steve, let's bring in steve clemons. he's been sitting here patiently listening. talk to me about what you're seeing in congress, specifically with john mccain and lindsey graham. they're feeling pretty alone in doing so. at what point are they going to convince -- and are they convincing fellow republicans to get behind them for investigations of the russian hacking, independent investigations? >> well a couple of things, katie, john mccain and lindsey graham are pros at the ezra leaven guide. i think it gives very, very healthy smart, humorous information to people. it's in many ways light hearted.

john mccain and lindsey graham right now are the people in vont of that proverbial tank saying hey, stop, there is something important here. and i think that when they -- when john mccain comes out and says dictators get started by demonizing the press, that's a very, very important red flag for all of us showing what he might do. i think the issue is not just what republicans said they can bring around, i was with a progressive u.s. senator new to the senate who was talking about john mccain and saying that john mccain and believe it or not, comey of the fbi may be two of the most important people standing between the failure of democracy and us preserving democracy. and i was shocked by the coe my comment, but clearly something that happened in that hearing, that classified hearing on the russians and what not, really impacted this senator and made them stand up. and people are watching john mccain. he has tremendous respect in the u.s. congress, and his

leadership and what he's willing to do and putting himself on the line, i think, is inspiring other people to say, we need to put ourselves on the line. maybe it'll be not my president day protest, maybe it'll be other kind of things, but certainly we're seeing, i think, an important kind of leadership telling donald trump where some of the big red lines in this democracy are. >> steve, one more question to you, and couple hours ago on my 2:00 p.m. show, congressman brought up a moment between president obama and the current -- the at the time, russian president back in 2012. he thought that obama was talking to putin and in reality he was talking to -- that name's going to kill me. thank you. it's a holiday monday. but he was saying basically his argument was the whole michael flynn controversy was the same as overblown. it's the same as what president obama was saying to the russian president that he needed some

flexibility, and they can talk more about missiles after his election. it was a hot mike moment. it was not meant for reporters to hear. and now republicans are using this as a talking point to basically equate what happened with michael flynn and what happened with president obama. talk to me about that -- >> it's absolutely -- i'm sorry, but it's absolutely not the case. donald trump was elected president of the united states, but as he's come into office, he's been engaged in a love fest with vladimir putin at the time when, you know, i talked about alleviating sanctions before they've done anything of the things they've done on crimea as we've seen them hack not only in the u.s. democracy as they've harassed and beaten up u.s. diplomats. all of this going on while other, you know, roger stone and paul manafort with various kinds of alleged interaction with the russian government, it looks as if the appearances are that these guys basically are advocating for russia's

interests at a time when you've got a u.s. president coming in without having weighed any of the other issues. and when you see calls with putin that are really warm and fuzzy exercises, and you see angela merkel beat up, australia beat up, this has created a lot of fear and lack of trust in the united states. so there is nothing similar to the obama discussion and what michael flynn did in potentially, allegedly potentially offering russia some flexibility down the road once they came into office. >> so i have jumped the gun a little bit. we're going to talk about that more coming up after the break. i promised governor you'll be able to chime in more. as we're back to the issue of protests which we originally were talking about. not to jump around too much in this conversation, but i'll give you the last word. what are we going to see next? >> well, you know, i would give tom reid some props for showing up. many, many of his colleagues did not. what i would not give him props for is not actually answering

the questions that his constituents were bringing to him. his constituents don't to want see 32 million americans lose their health insurance and what he would do to get donald trump's tax returns released. i don't know if donald trump is engaging in a big cover-up, if his business dealings or dealings with russia, what i do know is that tom reid as a member of the ways and means community can unilaterally require that the president release his tax returns. it's been used before for a sitting president, and i knew that republicans use this law two and a half years ago to release tax return information, tom reid is choosing not to do that. so i hope that he listens to his constituents, goes back to congress and stops rubber stamping the trump agenda and starts resisting it. >> thank you very much. bob, corinne, and steve, don't worry, we can talk more about this in just a few minutes. stick around. coming up, lieutenant general h.r. mcmaster is in. we'll have new details on president trump's new pick for national security advisor. plus what you didn't goat

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welcome back. the president's week long scramble to replace the national security advisor ended today. after a weekend of interviews at what the president likes to call the winter white house and what is actually a private club that charges 200 grand for membership, mr. trump named h.r. mcmaster as michael flynn's replacement. he served as the director at the army capabilities integration center a contender who was less known outside of the defense circles. >> i'd just like to say what a privilege it is to continue serving our nation. i'm grateful for that opportunity. and i look forward to joining the national security team and doing everything i can to advance and protect the interests of the american people. thank you very much. >> you're going to do a great

job. >> thanks, sir. >> act national security advisor, general keith kellogg right there on your screen right there will stay on as a top advisor. senior white house official says mcmaster will be able to choose his own team, a major point that was a bit of a sticking point for a couple other candidates who were in the in contention for that role. meanwhile, senator john mccain called the choice outstanding and congressman devin nunez who chairs the permanent select committee on intelligence lauded him as a fresh thinker. more mhp daily just after the break. bring you more ways to p reduce calories from sugar. with more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all, smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels, and signs reminding everyone to think balance before choosing their beverages. we know you care about reducing the sugar in your family's diet, and we're working to support your efforts. more beverage choices. smaller portions. less sugar.

balanceus.org. welcome back, as we just said, president trump, today, named lieutenant general h.r. mcmaster to be new national security adds visor. russia continues to cast a shadow over the trump administration on the same day senators discussed russia with the fbi director, bipartisan leaders of the senate intelligence committee sent

letters to government agencies directing them to preserve all records relevant to it's investigation on russia's interference in the 2016 election. a story in the "new york times" today alleges non-government trump associates crafted a plan to lift sanctions against russia and gave it to the white house. and according to my colleague bill nooely, russia is preparing a dossier on the psychological make-up for it's president vladimir putin. and meet the press exclusive this weekend, chuck interviewed defense secretary leon panetta. here's some of what you didn't get to see from this interview about the future of u.s. relations with russia. >> is russia among america's chief adversaries that the point? whether you trank one, two, three, or -- >> without question. >> and it's not worth reaching out to them and forming a new alliance? >> listen, it's always worth trying to reach out to the russians or to iran or to north korea, i mean, it's important to try to see if you can find some

diplomatic approaches to at least having communication with those adversaries. that's always important. but you have to do it from a position of strength. not a position of weakness. and if it looks like somehow you're concerned about somehow wanting to cut a deal. and so you don't draw lines. you don't draw lines on they're moving into the ukraine. you don't draw lines on they're doing syria. you don't draw lines when they try to influence our election, if you are not drawing those lines, and making very clear that there are limits to what the russians are going to do, they're going to take advantage of it. putin is going to take advantage of it. that's why it's important to respond and respond with strength. >> let's bring back our panel, bob, corinne, and steve. steve, first question to you, the senate intel committee is requesting records, right now

about the intervention into the election. what do you expect is going to come out of that? >> amy, i think they're going to dig deeply and they're going to try to get as much as they can. what we haven't heard are consequences for not preserving those records. that's one thing that caught my eye. the second thing is the intelligence committee, most of that happens behind closed doors. the public is going to have a hard time getting access to what really transpired and what really happened. and when we see reports, many will be redacted with information that's taken out because it's classified. so that is the consequence of there not being a select committee established that's bipartisan and public as opposed to an intelligence committee investigation. >> so bob, because of that, because of all those rediamondbackss that we're likely to see and the question remaining in the public's eye. is donald trump always going to have a cloud when it comes to russia? >> first of all, what director panetta said and former colleague of course was absolutely accurate. and that's the reason foreign

policy under barack obama was a disaster. fake lines in the sand and being pushed around around the world by various miskreents and bad guys. i agree with everything he said. i support full transparency. i think -- with regard to the cloud, it has to be real reporting here. not just innuendo, there's been no fact, not one fact produced by anyone that keeps hearing about hacking into the election that anything russia did actually impacted the final -- >> nobody is saying it's impacted anybody. >> that would be the biggest story ever -- give me that story zsh i agree we have to be tough with russia. we also as the president has said with regard to the fact that there are nuclear super power, ukraine, i'm part of ukraine. i belong to former members of congress associations supporting ukraine. but, the fact of it is, it can't be innuendo and throwing words around like hacking. they didn't hack into the election.

there -- and the president obama actually said it, not one shred of proof that any vote was impacted by any foreign agency. >> you're con flating two -- i'm going to call you bub, con flating two issues -- >> call me anything, that's all right. >> nobody has said this definitely affected the outcome of the election. that's one thing. what all of the intelligence agencies are saying is that they hacked into the election. they may be trying to influence -- >> what does that mean? >> senator graham, senator mccain -- >> listen, we're not arguing here. i'm not arguing with you, let there be full transparency hearings, let's go, absolutely. no problem. >> but you're saying there's no evidence here. and that's just -- >> there is no evidence. you can't prove that. >> steve, take it away. >> you heard the chief of staff, the white house, chief of staff on national television yesterday said the intelligence agencies cleared all the senior trump staff -- >> that doesn't necessarily mean

that russia didn't hack -- but that's two separate issues. >> stop the innuendo, please. just make it real news, please. >> corinne -- >> stop the innuendo, please. >> do you believe this is innuendo? >> oh my goodness. >> can you imagine, eight years ago if republicans would have acted like this? >> after i problem -- hold on, i have a problem saying that two wrongs -- the argument of two wrongs make a right. let's move on, corinne, do you believe this is all innuendo? >> i will say this, we are 32 days into the trump administration and so far, his foreign policy is a disaster. look, we have a brutal dictator in putin who undermined our democracy. we knee, intelligence agencies has said that, republican leadership has not said, that is true. that is indeed the fact. and i think the only way we can -- >> how? >> to get to the truth -- let me finish. we just heard you go on and on and on -- >> just a fact, one fact, please. >> let me finish. let me finish. intelligence agencies, they said this.

not me. they are the experts that have said this. look, what we need is a bipartisan independent commission to really make this public. so that the people could know what is exactly happening. so we can see what's the truth. that's the only way we're going to get to the bottom of this. i agree with steve 110% on this. >> steve, governor -- sorry, vice president mike pence is in europe right now, and he's -- or he was, he was trying to assure nato allies that the u.s. is still an ally, but he's also saying that they need to do their part which is a campaign promise that donald trump had, that nato would have to pay their fair -- nato countries have to pay their fair share if they wanted to continue to get the support from the u.s. is there a risk though that if they don't do that the u.s. won't honor article five? >> i don't think there's that risk at all, and to be fair to the vice president and this effort to get nato members to do more in the interview he did

with my colleague jeff goldberg, barack obama made the same appeal, secretary robert gates made the same, very, very strident comments about europe doing more. that's a constant theme. what is problematic is that nato being such an extraordinarily important alliance, what people like h.r. mcmaster and others, the new national security advisor have called the most important, most enduring, most vital national security alliance the united states has, while that is going on, we have seen russia come right to the edge, dissect, not a nato member nation, but one that sends shock waves through the baltics which is ukraine and create other areas of concern. so much so that at the warsaw summit of nato just this past year, we made the decision to actually base more u.s. troops on that eastern prifr re in those countries of nato. so nato matters a lot. getting these other nato member

nations to amp up, and i think vice president pence has done a wonderful and stabilizing job there. what has not been wonderful and stabilizing are the shock waves that president trump sent in questioning the validity of the alliance, the worth of it, while he was hugging russia. and that is -- i think russia's biggest strategic objective in the world today, the number one objective is to split the western alliance, to split the united states from europe, and to basically drive a dagger into the heart of nato. and i think pence is trying very hard not to have that happen, but it's not clear that pence and donald trump are on the same page. >> governor, corinne, and steve -- >> i agree -- >> hold on, hold on governor, you're going to have a chance in a couple minutes. stay tight. hold your seat. we're going to come back. coming up the conflict within the republican party over the war on the press. stay with us. (announcer vo) when you have type 2 diabetes,

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welcome back. following president trump's tweet on friday referring to members of the media as, quote, the enemy of the american people, a number of republicans and members of the president's own administration have pushed back. >> i've had some rather contentious times with the press, but no, the press as far as i'm concerned are constituency that we deal with, and i don't have any issues with the press myself. >> i have great respect for the press, i was once in the press. the key though is not to be over sensationalizing anything, but get to the facts. >> i hate the press. i hate you, especially, but the

fact is, we need you. we need a free press. we must have it, it's vital. without it, i'm afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. that's how dictators get started. and i'm not saying that president trump is trying to be a dictator, i'm saying we need to learn the lessons of history. >> you call that a love/hate relationship with senator john mccain and chuck todd. since the president took office, senator mccain has been walking a delicate line supporting the broad republican agenda and almost all of the new cabinet nominees while also speaking out against the president when he sees fit. joining me now is gabe sherman who wrote a piece published this weekend in "new york magazine" called how many chances do you get to be an american hero? john mccain ambivalently agonizingly takes on the president. problem with english today, gabe. >> great to be here. >> it's an amazing piece, number

one, talk to me about why mccain is feeling like he's all alone on this. >> it's really a fascinating tight rope he's walking. and know, he's getting flak from the left for voting for trump's cabinet picks. what he's trying to do in my conversations with him i think is play the long game. for him the long game is russia. and he doesn't want to expend a lot of political capital fighting trump. john mccain is a republican. he does like a lot of trump's plans to deregulate the economy and stuff like that. so that's really -- that's okay with him. what he's trying to do is focus on getting this bipartisan select committee to investigate trump's ties for russia. >> does he believe he's going to find the support he needs? >> right now it's frustrating, he met with mitch mcconnell before our interview earlier last week and mcconnell reiterated that he doesn't think they need a bipartisan committee, this can be handled within the intelligence committee, as you point out, the

findings are classified, the public will not see that. mccain wants to put all of this on to the public record. >> i want to take a little piece from the article, and we can read it here, this is talking about john mccain, his concerns about russia and how he feels about the leaks. he says, of course relying on the press means -- you say this, relying on the press means relying on those who leak to the press, mccain is once again at odds who is vowed to seek out and punish low life leakers. you're saying mccain acknowledged the leaks, but that the leaks in themselves are important because it's the only way for the american public to get the information. >> i was really actually surprised by that, because here you have a situation where john mccain a sitting senator is in a sense making the case for journalism. and normally we don't think politicians are on the side of investigative reporting, but mccain was saying listen, this is really the only way the public is going to find out about this because congress is slow walking the investigations.

the trump administration, of course as we saw from the press conference is not going to talk about it. the only way we're going to find out is through reporting. >> it's difficult to get answers from the trump administration on these things. >> reince priebus was on face the nation over the weekend and he was asked about the president calling the press the enemy of the people. let's listen to that. we do not have it. unfortunately. but basically, he said that the president needs to be taken seriously. is this kind of dialogue dangerous? >> i mean, as a reporter and i guess i'm self-interested. i would say yes, this is a case where we have the government, donald trump has the largest megaphone in america telling millions of people, don't believe what you read just because we tell you so. and i think you can debate individual stories and say this is not fair, that's not accurate, but to make sweeping statements about the journalism being the enemy of the people. i think is eroding what makes our system work. >> there's no sign that this is going to be dialled back in any way. >> this is who he is, clearly

this is work for him during the primary in the general election. there's no sign he'll change. this notion that there's a trump pivot, we have to bury that fiction. >> what do you do, continue talking about it or just let him go on his anti-media drink raid and put it the side, ignore, and talk to the issues. >> marty was quoted recently saying that what journalists should do, they're not the enemy of the trump white house, they're at work. journalist should do what we're doing, continue to do our job. i think over the long run, the public will see, if what trump says is really outside of not reflective of reality, i think the truth will eventually -- might take a while, but it'll get through. >> do you think the administration has a point though to say that the coverage of him is not fair or it's coming all of it's coming from a negative place? >> of course. i mean, subjects are always free to point out and criticize coverage. i think what you don't want stood delegitimize the role that journalists play. yeah, that story was wrong or we don't think that was fair, but

that's a separate, that's a separate conversation. >> and when he goes on and he says certain news organizations are okay and he retweets certain articles that he like os kalgsly or articles that back up a point he's trying to make, how does he walk that tight rope? how can he say some things are okay, but everything else is terrible? how can he say everything against him is terrible. >> it's bogus, back up, donald trump is now praising fox news, he called it the only honest morning show on television. and back during the primary, he skipped one of the republican fox news debates because he was feuding with megyn kelly. so it's completely opportunist c opportunistic. >> that is a good point. i didn't remember that. that left my memory. >> so much news. >> so much news keeps happening. gabe, thank you for being here. great article. everybody go out and read it. fantastic. the lid is next. stay with us.

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and the founding fathers and. -- what he doing too besides causing dangerous scenario is causing a smoke screen because of his relationship with russia and the folks that work for him. >> governor, do you find this disconcerting? >> it's not my style. i think -- your last guests had good points to raise. i will say this, with regard to the leaks, to the extend that the leaks are coming from intelligence personnel, they are felonies so you should be careful with that. the bus of dr. king was not removed from the -- the reporter

who did that apologized immediately -- >> there's a hundred thousand folks are not out there mobilizing to be immigration enforcement force. when the press gets it wrong, it feeds the ability of the president to do this. he needs to be called out. no problem. when the press gets it wrong, it's not just a no count, it counts. >> it's important for the organization to follow up with the correction. >> immediate correction. >> which is what that reporter did repeatedly. >> former congressman -- >> what do you make of john mccain saying this sort of things that allows dictators

started. >> i think the question is tom reid we saw today, unbelievably impressive is so many ways, willingness to go out and meet people. part of that thing we call democracy. it's as if donald trump didn't spend a day in his life preparing for this race to become president. dialing in and trying to understanding how system of checks and balances works many it this country. we are not producing new tom reeds in donald trump land. >> so governor, thank you, so much. we'll be right back.

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