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both sides of the aisle are praising the president's choice, but how is this outspoken general going to deal with trump's policies? and in australia, four americans killed in a plane crash into a mall. what we know about the victims and the investigationnd way rig -- under way right now. president trump formally denouncing act, of anti-semitism and promising to heal the racial divide in the country. here is that interview. >> let's just start with your general thoughts. i know this is your first time here on the museum. >> i think it's incredible, the job they've done, the smithsonian and, lonnie, the job that they have done is something really special. it's also a very big success. people love it. my wife was here two weeks ago. she couldn't stop talking about it. it's something that we're very
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proud of. great, great place and a great job they've done. >> have you seen the ben carson, incumbent? >> well, i -- exhibit? >> well, i'm going to. we're going to it next. ben carson is a great guy and he should be represented here. >> let's talk about this exhibit you're standing in front of, dr. martin luther king jr. here we are in the middle of black history month. here's a man who devoted his life to trying to bring people together in this country. >> that's right. >> reporter: you are said that's certainly you want to do as well. >> absolutely. >> reporter: specificspecifical do you want to do that? >> we're a very divided nation. you go back to the founding and i would like to see if we could bring people together. so many bad things happening. and, by the way, so many great things happening like the museum but we're going to try very hard to bring people together in a much stronger way picht just so
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divided, so sad to see and i've seen you speak so beautifully on the subjects on the various show and tim has been just an advocate for bringing people together. ben we fully know about but there are so many people working on it and we want to keep that going. >> reporter: why do you think those divisions still exist in this country, are so deep and. sometimes it gets better and then it busts apart. but we want to have it get very much better, get unified and stay together. you've seen it where often times it gets much better and then pleaus up. part of the buoy of what you're doing here with the museum and the success of the museum. the success is very important. it's doing tremendous numbers. tremendous numbers of people are coming in. i think that really helps to get that divide and bring it much closer together, if not perfect.
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>> last question, i want to touk to you about some of the violence we've seen at jewish sen across the country. 11 called in threats yesterday alone, more than 55 since the beginning of the year. will you denounce andy semitism once and for all just to clear up the confusion? >> well, i do all the time. i do all the time. i think it's terrible, horrible, whether it's anti-semitism or racism, anything you can think of having to do with the divide. anti-semitism, it's just terrible. you don't know where it's coming from but i certainly hope they catch the people. i think you maybe have had it r longer than people think and maybe it gets brought up a little bit more but i will tell you that anti-semitism is horrible and it's going to stop and it has to stop. >> so you're denouncing it now once and for all? >> of course.
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i and i do it wherever i get a chance. >> executive order that may come out later, there are some reports that we may be seeing something with regard to immigration. woo. >> we have to have people come into this country that are going to love the country, not people that are going to harm the country. i think a lot of people agree with me on that. so we'll have various things coming out over a period of time and you'll see them when they come out and we'll let you know exactly what they are. we have to let people come in that are going to be positive for our country. >> what about the dreamers? >> we're going to try and take care of the dreamers very, very well. >> mr. president, thank you for your time. enjoy the exhibit. >> craig joins me now from our washington bureau. seemed to be a frank conversation. that's the donald trump that is
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somewhere between the donald trump that people no casually and the donald trump president. he was having a good conversation with you. did strike me, he says he denounces anti-semitism every time he gets a chance and i do it all the time, he said. just not true. >> and we didn't have a great deal of time so that isn't something we wanted to go down to the rabbit hole with. in fact, at the news conference last week, that he 77 -- it sparked some confusion. the president what been aware there had opinion so conclusion. it was his daughter and also hillary clinton said this morning i think the president knew that this is something
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that's top of mind you were standing in front of this mural, this picture, with dr. martin luther king. yound and basically that's what's going to help health the divide. do you think he got point that a bunch of people coming to the museum is not actually going to be the solution o. >> and, you know, the president to his credit has been spent a fair amount of too many some of his advisers have hinted and the
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president has spent a fair amount of time talking. problems he snchl that was actually my first time at the museum. it very hard to get a ticket to the museum here in washington, d.c. but the president seem to be genuinely moved -- >> it seemed to have an effect on his tone. the tone he used with you was not the blustery president you often see at press conferences or at rallies. >> he seemed somber, he did. you saw dr. ben carson there with him. tim scott, who has become quite the travel buddy of the president. tim scott was with president trump on friday as well and charleston with he toured that boeing and he's sad those two
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are part of a group of people that he has been talking to about the next steps, how to move forward with regards perhaps to legislation, whether it an executive order. those are the outstanding questions. what is the action going to look like? >> so he is -- he seems to be getting closer to identifying again, you he wants to be the eliminator of that divide, the joiner of people but no recipe yet. >> not kwp prp today i pledge to
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do everying i can to continue the promise of freedom for african-americans and for every american reminder of why we have to fight bigotry, intolerance, hatred in all of its ugly forms. >> and again, president trump there flanked by dr. this is something the president said had been in the works for a whileit was a tour that apeefrd to lasted well over an hour. and when he finished up with us, he said he was heading upstairs to see the dr. ben carson
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exhibit. dr. carson has an exhibit on the third 3/rd floor in that hugh siem he also said at the end he wishes he would have had more time to spend. >> thank you so much for that, craig melvin and his interview, which wul see on msn it and the congress al. sometimes it seems to an observe i f. >> he really didn't go outon limb today. heeemed to sound the right notes in the right tone about the top being at hand wit respect to african-americans and when craig talked to him about the recent anti-semitic attacks -- or actions. >> for the time being he stayed
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on message, but it remains to be seen what's going to happen in the next hour, the next day, the next week. i thit it's important to recognize that, one, donald trump is correct this there still is a significant racial divide in this country. we know for five years he's perpetrated the racist lie that barack obama was no morning in america, that he was born in kenya and it helped to further exacerbate division within our society. i'm hopeful this is a strong step in the right direction today that will be followed up by meaningful action in terms of addressing the problems that ail the african-american engiven
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what you just said could actually help. >> symbolish has to be meaningful but it has to be followed up by concrete action. first, the african-american community has traveled and and at the same period of time we've traveled from slavery to jim crowe to mass incarceration. we got 5% of the world's population, 25% of the world's incarcerated individuals in america, a disproportionate number of them african-americans and many non-violent drug offenders. it has devastated communities all across this country. there's a bipartisan effort in the house and senate to try to fix our broken criminal justice system. >> no matter where you are, if
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you're a fiscal conservative, you're sitting here thinking we're spending far too much many in incarceration. is that why the president and the congress an black caucus should meet? do you think these are sorts of ideas where he'll sit and say, oh, that makes sense. >> a whole host of the issues on the table if that meeting is to take place. fixing our broken criminal justic system will be at the end to of that will allow for all americans to o not just for big industry and big oil but for all hard working african-americans in the community. >> a spoke to a member of the
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black caucus party said a he. >> -- democrats need an affirmative agenda to deal with issues impacking african-americans. there is a feeling amongst some in the african-american community that democrats as a whole have taken advantage of our loyalty to the party without reciprocating in terms of public policy accomplishments. that's an issue moving forwar forward where does the cbc stand with meeting with the president? zit my understanding there has been sop outreach to the cbc subsequent to that exchange twf
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donald trump and i think there is a willingness to have a discussion but the cb laying out a whole host of issues that we can work together on to improve the country has a hole and deal with issues that im. pb however, a nm of you have said you don't federal court i understand you don't feel he shares the golts of the congressional black caucus but why hold up the meeting? >> for the life of me, i think you've got to draw the line who is basically kep straight. and in fab flrch -- but doesn't
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help african-americans if you don't have that meeting because you wonlt go there if steve bannon is there? >> they're going to have toity side where that line should be drawn. i'm sfrfrmt it's not acceptable to have someone like steve bannon in the white house and we're not going to legitimatize him by talking with him. >> there's new reaction to the president's remarks today denouncing anti-semitism. the presidenting across the united states. peter alexander joins us live from the white house. peopler, there's been a good
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deal of reaction the president said something very unusual to craig. he said i do it all the time in terms of challenging anti-semitism and criticizing it. i do it bhefr i get a chance. in becomes one of those things that is very easy to prove. he doesn't. >> reporter: over the course of last week, he had multi-54 in 27 states this year alone. on one open case, he said he himself is not ant on the at the pra fchl bottom line is here's statements we're getting from some organizations today in response to what we heard from the president today with craig and in that series of earlier comments at the african-american
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museum. this is from the ann frank center for mutual respect. they provided me this statement that reads "the president's sudden acknowledgement of anti-semitism is a band-aid on the cancer of anti-semitisms that has affected his own administration. his statement is pathetic and we have committed to you tasks that are reflective of anti-terrorism. that statement from -- sean spicer and your reaction to this latest wave that these threats the yush smon opinion it it want until we had tom presents, you
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could ma nfrm trump has a new national security adviser, lutent general h.r. mcmaster, who i've heard this is the fi t firston. here's proud of the president's remarks praising his pick yesterday at mar-a-lago. >> general h.r. mcmaster will become the national security adviser. he's a man of tremendous talent and tremendous experience.
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>> i'd just like to say what a privilege it is to be able to continue serving our nation. i'm grateful to you for that opportunity and i look forward to joining the national security team in doing everything i can to. >> peter, thanks so much for that. that's the tweet from frshl, peter monosour, he served with lieutenant mcmaster in iraq, and he served under general david portrayus. good to see you, sir. inp. he came among 80 republican park
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yhis stuff has become that of a military legend. >> he is a war hero. he earned that. in less than 20 minutes. particular ji n and hncht r. is an outstanding come p leaders. >> he is consider ffrm it with. in either a accepts of hopor or the safety of the country. >> he speaks his mind. he wrote a book, "dereliction of duty," castigating the joint chiefs of staff.
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n. he will tell the president what he need to haefr and forcefully make his case in the best interesting of the united states and the american people. i thought he comments he just heard to be able to continue toprb as a military pan who he's talking about this is a continuation of his service. >> his oath is to the constitution, not to the trump administration. he takes that oath seriously. on the other hand, he after making a strong case if the president decides to carry out a course of action that h.r. disagrees with, if he thinks something will lead to fame iie
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>> as we prepare to find out what is in the president's new immigration executive order, one thing that becomes important, particularly since he would have a good relationship with gene l general. having worked specific in the now defunction is that rk flb and in the war against isis, they'll fight. . and i think h.r. will mack a strop case that we have to alienate it with executive orders is not the way to do it. >> colonel, good to talk to you. thank you for being with yous
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. this morning the department of homeland security began rolling out its plans for a wider crackdown of people coming into the country illegally. first pete williams is live at the supreme court. pete, you're following an unrelated but related case. >> reporter: related in the sense that it involves bored are security. this is a case brought by the parents of a 15-year-old boy who was shot by a border a patrol agent in 2010 and killed. the border patrol agent was on the u.s. side of the line between wares and el paso extex, the evidence meks on on that with tamly sue the prp lower court have said no, that the constitution.
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the court f can somebody be killed if they're hit by a u.s. drone? it did seem it's always a little risky to bay now in court could beified 4-4. in that cass ifif and it went against the parent saying they con sue. >> that's long standing and could have ununsfrchl. >> this sound with the executive order signed by president trump fulfilling a campaign proms to get tougher on illegal
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immigrants in the u.s. these department ofland "say how some that we know, higher, 10,000 more border patrol agents. surge more immigration judges, alie sum, where people who tn they're not going to do that anymore. they'll still depain them. more expedited removal. nd the old room, it if they had been about trying to get more kwop ration from local law enforcement to enforce
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immigration law p bun very interesting thing here is the memos may have exit prrchlt young people who come into the country illegally with l parent and row up hoar and back part of american society. baum said you can n and pete williams in front of the supreme court. let talk more about this. joining me is a former u.s. customs and border protection commiter under prep a and frfrp do they team next the first
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executive border that was put into place really lacks legal sufficiency, but it was also rolled out so incredibly poorly. cbp, has 60 thought employees out an allwhether or not. >> whether or not you agree with any f but another part of this plan allows the government it broaden powers to help. a lot of this is what i saw in.
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bass people may stop reporting crime because they're worried that they'll get deported. >> well, that's come up many toombs over many years and offer the administration of two different presidents. was the police chief in seattle for nine years. we cooperated with i.c.e. no one in neighborhoods, particularly impoverished particularly in crime neighborhoods wants drug dealer or a gang member. if they're there illegally and the on cass that can be made against them is the illegal entry into the united states. there's a reason cooperation. what you have to do, though, as a police chief is to balance the fact that you have to protect everyone within your jurisdiction, regardless of who they are and where they came from. the last thing you want to do as chief of police or sheriff is to have a chilling effect because you want the cooperation and support and quite frankly the trust of the people that you're
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protecting because you're not going to be able to do it by yourself. >> that argument goes over into the whole terrorist issue. one of the things we've got details about is the administration's plan to replace the executive order, says that it's now going to back off the explicit plan to ban syrian refugees. it's still going to halt travel from those seven freedpredomina muslim countries. does this new order get to the heart of what we're trying to solve. i think the goal is the same, the methodology is problematic. >> from what i understand, it a pause, it's a 90-day pause to take a look at the way the process handles the vetting or the questioning of people. under two different presidents,
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presidents bush and president obama, that has occurred quite frequently, but one thing the american people probably need to keep in mind, during the time i was the chief of police in seattle, we had an absolutely horrific attack on the jewish federation. a man came in, attacked six women, shot them. one of the women died. that was an individual who came right from the state of washington. he was home grown and that's where we see so many of our threats and concerns that law enforcement expresses. >> which speaks to your earlier point that we need the support of communities, americans to help us stop this stuff. >> gill, thanks so much. gill is a former u.s. border protection commissioner. coming up, the moment of impact caught on a car's dash cam. i'm all the techy stuff you got
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>> why do you think those divisions exist in this country? why do you think they're still so deep, so persistent? >> i think it's just age old. there is something going on that doesn't allow it to fully heal. sometimes it gets better and then it busts apart. but we want to have it get very much better, get unified and stay together. >> that was president trump just a short time ago in an exclusive interview with craig melvin on the racial divide. brand a lawrence is a member of the oversight committee and a member of the congressional black caucus. we've been talking to a lot of
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members of the congressional black caucus. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. i'm trying to get to the bottom of where you stand on meeting president trump and whether or not you have a position on whether steve bannon attends that meeting. >> thank you so much for having me. i want to say that the visit that the president just took to the african-american museum, i'm hoping that the president of the united states understands the role that government plays in creating or eliminating racism of protecting the american citizens in our country and also to the role that they play in identifying racism and segregation in this country. i am so concerned about bannon because bannon's history is clear. it's not what you say, mr. president, it what you do. to say that i'm going to eliminate racism, i'm going to make sure that we all come together. well, how do you come together
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as a country when a person who has documen history of being racist, of identifying a group of people as being not a part of the american society why do you do that, mr. president? and i'm looking for your leadership in this and hopefully you learn something from going to the african-american museum. i'm glad you were able to go. >> it's not a bad thing that he did it. let's talk about the things that when you say the things that the president can do, the actions. what can the federal government do? when there's unrest, it's able to send in troops. when there's a case not resolved at state levels, it can file civil rights charges, it can investigate police forces like it has done in philadelphia and ferguson, missouri and places look that and impose orders upon them. what are the things that the federal government can do to
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address -- what donald trump calls the divide. >> so this is exactly why the congressional black caucus has been very strong, addressing it, writing and asking the president to tack to us. we represent 40% of african-americans around the country. we represent 80 million people in america. if you want to talk about black america and where we are in our challenges, wouldn't you engage in that dialogue so that you not unilaterally just by the advice of one or two people who are african-american, you would truly engage yourself and that's why when he had that conversation was so inappropriate at the press conference. >> you're talking about the conversation with april ryan? >> yes. >> let's play that conversation, april ryan --
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>> are you going to conclude the congressional black caucus and the -- >> i would. i tell you what, do you want to set up the meeting? >> do you want to set up the meeting? we'll just let that go for a second. congresswoman, you talk about 49 members representing 80 million people. do you not do those 80 million people a disservice by hanging on to your objection to steve bannon and others in the administration who have documented examples of things that would not seem to be in the service of african-americans but you got the president and the president seemed to be moved at his visit to the museum today so maybe he'll be moved by meeting with you. >> one of the things that we have historically said as the congressional black caucus, we are the conscience. so speaking truth to power, it is important when we see these things about concerns we have, about discrimination and individuals that we feel are
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promoting policies of racism that we call them out. why would we be silent about that? don't say i'm hanging on. i am doing my job as a member of congress, as an american, as a member of the black caucus. we as a country have never overcome obstacles in our history unless someone speaks up and someone makes sure we put this issue in front of us. he is our president, he selected bannon. >> let me ask it a different way. i'm a business and economics guy, when the presint had that economic advisory council, the ceo of uber said i'm not going, elan musk said spacex said i'm invited to the table, i have to take that position. >> but you are invited to the table and you may be choosing not to go. >> that decision hasn't been made. i made a decision to go to the inauguration. why did you do that? because it was a time in our
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history, our democracy where we're passing power from one president to the other. i have been elected by the people and i felt strongly that i have a seat at the table,ly participate. i will talk to any member of this administration because i want them hopefully to be enlightened and educated so they'll make the right decisions about america, about african-americans, about minorities. this travel ban that the president put out that was struck down by the courts is because he did not invoke the opinion and the legal expertise that was around him so he could have hopefully done a better job initially. >> congresswoman, thank you for your passion and thank you for bringing some time to us today and our audience. >> thank you so much. >> congresswoman brenda lawrence of michigan. >> coming up next, a fiery plane crash in australia caught on
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what happened to the plane. we do know this was supposed to be a dream golfing vacation for four american friends. they had chartered this plane, a twin engine beach craft super king air, set to take them sout. they were just taking off around 9:00 a.m. local time when the plane crashed into the shopping center at the end of the airport runway. witnesses described a horrific scene, the plane exploding effectively on impact, erupting into a giant fireball. dashboard camera captured the scene. you can see a thick column of black smoke rising from the crash site. no survivors at all. four passengers, pardon me, all four passengers and the pilot were killed. the state department did not identify the four americans but we know now at least one of the victims was a 70-year-old man from texas. his sister identified him on social media saying her brother was killed in a once in a lifetime trip to australia. ali, this could have been worse if the shopping center had been open. >> hard to watch.
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political editor mark murray. that struck me as unusual, not that he was denouncing anti-semitism but that in fact he has been asked specifically that question a couple of times and hasn't done it. >> ali that's exactly right. it's extraordinary, given the amount of time it took more than a week to be able to get to this answer, which is such an easy answer for a politician to say hey i'm against anti-semitism and bad behavior. it took three tries to get there. the president's words do matter, even though he said he condemns anti-semitism the week that transpired could be seen to code to some who voted for him, you can brave in a particular way and i'm not going to condemn that behavior. he did condemn it today but took a week for him to get to that answer. >> made some comment we don't
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really know where it comes from, he in the past deflected the idea it has anything to do with anybody who supported him or a climate that he fostered during his campaign. >> and the statistics bear it out, ali, the rise in anti-semitic behavior as well as incidents ended up rising in the last year and a half that coincided with this divisive 2016 presidential election, and so we heard donald trump's remarks today finally condemning it. >> mark, good to talk to you. thanks so much, mark murray in washington. we're coming right back. lp you , or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.
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that's it for me. thanks for watching this hour of "msnbc live." i'm ali velshi. right now on msnbc, "andrea mitchell reports." good afternoon, andrea. >> good afternoon, and thank you. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," take two. the trump administration prepares a redo of the controversial travel ban. currently stalled in the federal courts. the president speaking this morning in an nba news exclusive with craig melvin at the national museum of african-american history about the imgration plans. >> we have to have people come in that are going to love the country, not people that are going to harm the country and i think a lot of people agree with me on that. >> righting the ship. president trump about to lead his first national security council meeting today, now that he has a new national security adviser, general h.r. mcmaster, recommended to the president by a rising freshman senator who served under the general in
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